Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna of Russia
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted 07:46, 15 March 2007.
This is a self-nomination. This article has been through a peer review and was rated as a Good Article. I've attempted to cover the subject matter as broadly as possible and to present a neutral tone. I think it's well-written, but I'm open to any suggestions to improve upon it. --Bookworm857158367 14:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
CommentSupport.Close to support, just a few issues that need to be resolved:At three sentences the lead is not an adequate summary of the article per WP:LEAD.Page numbers need to be added to refs 6 & 30.Both Massie and Radzinsky have been used twice as sources, their paticular books need to be distinguished in the notes (Radzinsky: 14, 29, 66, 67), (Massie: 26, 38, 47, 76).Ceoil 23:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll tackle that sometime this weekend. I don't have time to do it justice right now. Thanks for the suggestions. --Bookworm857158367 15:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: I believe I've addressed most of the things you mentioned. I'm not sure if the saint section needs to be rewritten, even though it's duplicated in the Anastasia article. The subject matter is as relevant to Olga as it is to Anastasia. Is there anything else you think needs to be fixed or addressed? --Bookworm857158367 19:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not comfortable with duplicate text on FA articles, and I've already recommended on your talk that you either rephrase one, or spin out the section to a daughter article. However, I take your point, and will wait for other views. Otherwise the article is easily within criteria.
- Congratulations on Anastasia bty, was just promoted. Ceoil 19:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm certainly willing to rewrite it or turn it into a separate article if that's the consensus, but I'm just not certain it's necessary. I think the section is valuable and essentially the same related to all four grand duchesses. The same section is also in the biographies for Maria and Tatiana. Regarding the Massie and Radzinsky references, I think those have also been fixed. I cited the references as Massie (1967) and Massie (1995) and Radzinsky (1992) and Radzinsky (2000) instead of listing the title of each book after each reference.--Bookworm857158367 20:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the quality of your other Romanova bios, it's probably reasonable to assume they will also be FA candidates in the near future. In that light, my suggestion is that the section is converted to a daughter article, and rendered in summary style on each indivdual bio article. I've switched to support regardless, my remaining concerns are trivial and easily fixed, ie refs 13 & 37. Ceoil 21:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm certainly willing to rewrite it or turn it into a separate article if that's the consensus, but I'm just not certain it's necessary. I think the section is valuable and essentially the same related to all four grand duchesses. The same section is also in the biographies for Maria and Tatiana. Regarding the Massie and Radzinsky references, I think those have also been fixed. I cited the references as Massie (1967) and Massie (1995) and Radzinsky (1992) and Radzinsky (2000) instead of listing the title of each book after each reference.--Bookworm857158367 20:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: I believe I've addressed most of the things you mentioned. I'm not sure if the saint section needs to be rewritten, even though it's duplicated in the Anastasia article. The subject matter is as relevant to Olga as it is to Anastasia. Is there anything else you think needs to be fixed or addressed? --Bookworm857158367 19:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You're probably right about a separate article for the saint section. I'll attempt to rewrite those sections and do the separate article at some point tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for all your help. --Bookworm857158367 22:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm glad, a dedicated article on their sainthood will allow for the development of threads and an overview that would be extraneous in a bio article. Ceoil 22:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You're probably right about a separate article for the saint section. I'll attempt to rewrite those sections and do the separate article at some point tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for all your help. --Bookworm857158367 22:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: Done. The new article is called Romanov sainthood. I've summarized the contents in the Olga, Maria, and Tatiana articles. I didn't change the Anastasia article since it passed FA with the sainthood information included.--Bookworm857158367 04:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support DrKiernan 10:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Very well done. Look forward to seeing more of your Grand Duchess articles at FAC soon! Gzkn 08:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Nicely done!--Yannismarou 21:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Do you intend to make a Featured topic out of these Romanov articles?--Rmky87 18:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I wasn't aware there was a featured topic category. I suppose they would qualify. I was planning to submit the other two grand duchess articles for featured article consideration when they're ready to go. First this one needs to pass. Is there anything else that needs to be done on it? --Bookworm857158367 13:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You should probably get the other grand duchesses past FAC first, and get their parents and brother past it, too. Or at least up to GA. You're less likely to be accused of only picking the best articles in a topic that way.--Rmky87 18:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nevermind: the presence of a lead article has been a requirement since 13 February.--Rmky87 02:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You should probably get the other grand duchesses past FAC first, and get their parents and brother past it, too. Or at least up to GA. You're less likely to be accused of only picking the best articles in a topic that way.--Rmky87 18:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I wasn't aware there was a featured topic category. I suppose they would qualify. I was planning to submit the other two grand duchess articles for featured article consideration when they're ready to go. First this one needs to pass. Is there anything else that needs to be done on it? --Bookworm857158367 13:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.