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Detroit, Michigan edit

Another production of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Michigan, this article has gone through some very extensive work, including a comprehensive peer review. Project members will address any comments or concerns. Jtmichcock 19:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - I've looked over this article, and found it to be reasonably comprehensive to my inexpert eye, well written, supported with appropriately licsenced images, without pressing issues, and in general, featured quality. Fieari 20:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great article. Those guys at Wikiproject Michigan really know what they are doing, between U Michigan, Michigan State, History of Michigan State, Gerald Ford, and that's just from what I happen to have run across.. Staxringold 01:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Overall, it looks pretty good, but I oppose for the quote in a box there. Aside from being physically squished in quite a distance from where the quote is discussed in the article, it's inherently POV to set aside one person's opinion in a special box. Also it's not clear at all why this particular quote is so important -- surely lots of people expressed anti-crime opinions, so why single this one out? Tuf-Kat 01:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Because it's a quote about crime in Detroit in a section about crime in Detroit (which is quite a notable issue), by a man who was mayor of Detroit for 20 years and tried (though, it seems, at least in the '80s failed) to fight crime in Detroit? Staxringold 02:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • And how does the quotebox inform the reader of any of those things? Did the dope dealers take his advice and leave via Eight Mile Road? You already have lots of good information right there about crime in Detroit. This particular quote is not particularly important. He is already described, crime in Detroit is already described, and his feelings on crime in Detroit are already described. The quotebox goes beyond describing a notable opinion - it presents a notable opinion as though Wikipedia is endorsing it, and thus violates WP:NPOV. Tuf-Kat 02:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question If the quotebox is removed, will you support? Jtmichcock 02:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't know, and that's immaterial. Tuf-Kat 02:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay then I basically support, but
    • The see also links should be worked into the article or removed. (or at least black culture of Detroit and Nain Rouge are either important enough to be in the article, or not important enough to be mentioned).
      • I fixed this.
    • I'm really hesitant to actually support based on the references. It appears that all the information comes from various webarticles. For some subjects, that might be okay, but this is a major city with lots of stuff written about it (lots of seemingly good resources in Further reading).
      • Many of the publications listed are out of print, and are largely from around the turn of the last century and are out of print. Most current material consists of either photo journals or polemics (see the "Devil's Night" book). The Detroit News series is highly respected and references the earlier works with updated information. Fortunately, the series contains unbiased, contemporary accounts missing from the bookshelves (check out the literacy entry to get some idea of the problem). Jtmichcock 15:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • External links seem bloated
  • Tuf-Kat 14:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alright, weak support. I'd still like to see the external links trimmed and better referencing. If the stuff in Further reading is out of print, why put it there? Why not list books that people can find? I'll grant that Detroit News is a good source, but that's still only one -- for a topic like this, there should be a number of good sources like that. Tuf-Kat 18:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Another nice job by Wikiproject Michigan! PDXblazers 00:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Really some excellent work done on this article. I'm sure they've more than once thought I was a pain in the rear in my comments pointing out needed changes. I'd always like to see more high quality books used as sources because of the greater level of editorial oversight they can get, but the volume of research done for this article helps make up for that. - Taxman Talk 14:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Some images down the bottom could become less cluttered. Other than that, excellent article. michael talk 10:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I moved some pics and lowered the size on another to address the clutter. Jtmichcock 11:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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