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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:28, 7 November 2009 [1].

Denton, Texas edit

Nominator(s): MahangaTalk 21:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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After a month of thoroughly researching, writing and referencing, I'm convinced it meets the FA criteria. It follows the guide set forth by WP:USCITY. MahangaTalk 21:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, mainly 1a Not liking the prose I've seen so far.

  • I've had to link cable companies and such for context and trim some redundancies. Speaking of those, surely there's a better way to say "The city council consists of seven members: mayor, four council members, and two at-large council members." I have a feeling there's more and I won't fix 'em all.
  • Most paragraphs start with Denton. Mix 'em up somehow.
  • Remove that "Handbook of Texas" template from the citations (it's ok for external links) and just use "cite web" or "citation" so that the publisher can be specified without looking like an awful car crash between two sentences with a comma between them.

This article failed a GAN as well. Withdraw, work on it further (maybe another peer review or an independent copyedit), then go for GA before moving further here. --an odd name 07:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. I made a couple fixes already. I'll start on the rest a later today. Regarding the failed GAN: I prematurely nominated the article because there was a backlog and I figured it wouldn't be reviewed for at least a few weeks. Unexpectedly, a user reviewed the article just a day later. Since then, I have made substantial changes to the article and contacted the original reviewer for additional feedback. He didn't reply. I made another GA nomination and it's been unreviewed for two weeks so I decided to take a chance on FAC. MahangaTalk 17:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Very well. Given that and Juliancolton's comments, I'll stay neutral here. Still recommend someone else look over the prose and such. --an odd name 20:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was the GA reviewer, and I think the article's come a long way, but a few sections still need some more citations. For examples, the statistics in the Geography section remain sources. Good work so far! –Juliancolton | Talk 19:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments -
  • Uncited statements of opinion:
    • " Lake Lewisville, a popular fishing and boating destination, is 15 miles south of the city." (the "popular" needs the cite)
    • First paragraph of Climate needs citation/sourcing
    • "Big-name performers and bands such as Arturo Sandoval, Tower of Power, and Brave Combo have performed at the festival."
    • "A number of music venus and commercial recording studios exist for Denton's music base."
    • "Several area school districts have large athletics programs which draw significant attendance from the general public, especially for high school football games."
    • "Most Texas state agencies also have facilities in the city, the larger of which include a Texas Workforce Center, a driver license/highway patrol office, and a state school."
    • "North Central Texas College, a community college in nearby Corinth, is also attended by many Denton students."
    • There are other statements that could use citations throughout the article.
  • Current ref 7 (Sims...) lacks a publisher and last access date.
  • Per the MOS, link titles in the references shouldn't be in all capitals, even when they are in the original
  • Current ref 33 (Official Capital...) lacks a last access date
  • Current ref 60 has no publisher listed (Belo...)
  • Current ref 74 lacks a publisher (Sister Cities...)
  • What makes the following reliable sources?
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I added some citations, formatted others, and removed some peacock terms such as "big-name bands". Regarding the question about reliable sources: Paste is a fairly prominent music magazine (circulation of over 200,000) and the article merely uses their opinion of Denton's music scene. I think it's ok per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Statements_of_opinion. Pegasus News is a small online news source for DFW. It's as reliable as the local Denton newspaper. It may not be as high-end as The New York Times, but the news articles I cited were void of any opinion. I will try to see if I can replace it with Denton Record-Chronicle news articles. Thanks, and please let me know if there's something I missed. MahangaTalk 21:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Is "300,000 thousand people" a typo? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it is. Fixed. MahangaTalk 19:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on criterion 3

  • File:Denton historic courthouse.jpg - Please add a description and a date to the image description page for this image. Also, I'm unconvinced that this a work by the US Federal Government. It seems to be a work by a state historical commission.
    • I was under the impression it was given to Preserve America (a federal organization) from the Texas commission. In any case, I've replaced it with an alternative image.
  • File:Fry Street 1920s.PNG - Please add a source, date, and author to the image description page.
    • I've asked the uploader for a source. If none is provided, it'll probably get deleted within 7 days. I've temporarily hidden it pending the uploader's response.
      • Striking since the image is hidden. If image is added back to the article, please let me know. Awadewit (talk) 01:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ok. The uploader seems active, but hasn't responded. The image only has until Sunday before it's deleted.
  • File:Denton Arts and Jazz - Celtic Dancers II.jpg - This image needs a better description.
    • Added a bit more, not sure what you're looking for.
      • Still reads "Another dance they did" - please add a fuller description to the image description page. Awadewit (talk) 01:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oops, I was looking at the caption, instead of the image description. Replaced description.
  • File:Ann Sheridan Cowboy from Brooklyn trailer.jpg - The image description page needs to include a link to the trailer (for example, on YouTube) that shows the entire trailer sans copyright notice.
    • The trailer does show a copyright notice though the upload claims it wasn't renewed. Relevant discussion is here. I've chosen to use a different image.

I look forward to striking this oppose once these issues are resolved. Awadewit (talk) 23:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the extensive review of the images in the article and for editing the article to match MOS#Images. MahangaTalk 19:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. Striking oppose. Awadewit (talk) 01:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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