Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Crew Exploration Vehicle/archive1

Crew Exploration Vehicle edit

Article is detailed and contains all available details on the program. Clearly written with few errors. Well-referenced and up-to-date. I'll call this a self-nomination as I wrote the majority of the content. --Captain Koloth 14:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Object for now. No section on criticism, e.g. the second half of this article (which is mirrored here if you don't have a subscription) or this one which I can email to you if you'd like. Dave (talk) 19:39, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

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1. The images Image:Boeing-CEV-Concept.jpg, Image:CEV Lockheed Martin.jpg, Image:H lockheed cev 050503 02.jpg, Image:A-northrop.jpg are claimed as "fair use". Since this is a NASA project, there should be no shortage of public domain images we can use.
2. The lead section is too short.
3. The lead states that the CEV is a replacement for the Space Shuttle, but the CEV seems to be crew-only, while the Shuttle is also a heavy cargo lifter. In that case, what's the replacement for the Shuttle's cargo duties?
4. There are plenty of inline citations, but no references listed at the end. Are there any major references that could be added to a "references" or "bibliography" section?
--Carnildo 19:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dave: I did not include such a section as the article's purpose is to describe purely the spacecraft hardware itself, not the Vision for Space Exploration as a whole which your cited article attacks.

Even if you don't include a whole section, you should mention that it is considered inefficient in cost-benefit terms in the section that talks about the costs. If you give me your email address, I can send you the second article, which is more specifically about the CEV. According to that article, the costs cited are "complete nonsense," so it would be extremely POV not to mention it. Dave (talk) 21:51, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Carnildo: The CEV succeeds the Shuttle as a manned space vehicle. Major references are in the external links section. They address the cargo issue. No NASA images have been released on this as the CEV is a contractor project and the ESAS has not been released. Virtually all the available artwork is in the article. --Captain Koloth 21:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a successor to the Shuttle as a manned space vehicle, but not as a cargo lifter, that needs to be made clear in the article.

If all images available are fair use, then you need to follow the rules for fair use images: image use should be minimized, images should only be used on articles that directly relate to those images, images need to have the source or current copyright holder indicated, and the reason why the image can be used under fair use must be supplied for each page the image is used on. See Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale for an example of this sort of explanation. --Carnildo 22:19, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

object; wikipedia is not an internet directory (so shouldn't just have external links) / the sources are listed without full references which means that if they get moved, it will be almost impossible to tell what was linked to from the article. Mozzerati 21:32, August 5, 2005 (UTC)