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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2016 [1].
Banksia caleyi edit
I do have a mission to get the whole opus of Banksia "complete" as it were (to FA standard). Here is the latest one of these - Banksia caleyi. I sprinkle these through every so often to 'mix it up' a little. I feel this is of a standard as the other banksia FAs. I'll fix stuff quick-smart I promise. Have at it. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:40, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- A few quick comments:
- The convert template makes the sentence beginning "Seedlings have cuneate (wedge-shaped) cotyledons" have a range of "1⁄2–1⁄2 in". Maybe there's a template parameter that lets you just put "about 1/2 in"? There's also a "5⁄8–5⁄8 in" earlier in that para.
- The word "lives" is confusing here: "Seedlings have hairy stems and leaves opposite lives..." Could it link to an article or have a parenthetical explanation?
- I don't understand this sentence: "The caterpillar of the dryandra moth (Carthaea saturnioides) feeds on the leaves, though co-occurring dryandras are much preferred."
- Missing subject? "Unlike many other Western Australian banksias, has had some degree of success..."
- For more logical flow, I would suggest reorganizing Cultivation thus: Seed germination time. growth time. flowers obscured by the foliage. tolerates light pruning, PH range, sun & shade. grows in more humid areas. attracts pygmy and honey possums. After all, who would not want their article to end with something as adorable sounding as pygmy and honey possums??
Great work! delldot ∇. 22:41, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you've basically worked this out now, so I doubt I'll have much to offer...
- The second paragraph of the lead strikes me as a bit choppy.
- Is "friable" jargon?
- "The inflorescences eventually turn grey, the old flowers remaining as up to 25 large woody follicles develop." Is this what you mean to say? Old flowers remain while, at the same time, up to 25 large woody follicles develop?
- "George placed B. caleyi in B. subg. Banksia because its inflorescence is a typical Banksia flower spike" Is it?
- "They foreshadowed publishing a full arrangement once DNA sampling of Dryandra was complete" Are you missing a word or two here?
- added "of Banksia" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm by no means certain about this, but I'm not convinced that you can use "foreshadow" like that, if the "they" refers to the authors. The OED defines foreshadow as "To serve as the shadow thrown before (an object); hence, to represent imperfectly beforehand, prefigure. Also rarely (of a person), to have a foreboding of." So, the authors' current arrangement foreshadows the arrangement which will be forthcoming, perhaps, but if they are foreshadowing something, it's because they themselves are imperfectly representing it, or because they have some foreboding of it. Josh Milburn (talk) 13:15, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- added "of Banksia" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As the caterpillar is parasitic, perhaps the paragraph could be merged with that of the mould?
- "Seeds do not require any treatment, and take 23 to 50 days to germinate." Needs more- a clarification that you're talking about cultivation? I know it's immediately below the section title, but still...
- The caption "old flower spike showing large follicles – MHNT" is a little cryptic to me.
As ever, very strong. Josh Milburn (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Images are fine- all freely licensed with details provided. The caption issue mentioned above is perhaps the only issue. Josh Milburn (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review:
- George 1999 is missing a publishing location
- Collins et al 2008 uses the long ISBN, others use the short. Consistency would be good.
- Do you need "via WikiSource"? I was under the impression that this was more for newspaper archives. You don't provide "via the Biodiversity Library", for example.
- You seem to be inconsistent on whether you provide ISSNs- I wouldn't bother.
- In Mast and Givnish 2002, your "main" external link is redundant to the DOI
- In Lamont and Markey 1995, is "South-western" a proper noun? Same in Wiens et al (along with "Honey")
- For consistency's sake, do we know the first names of McCredie et al?
- Why title case for McFarland 1979, but not elsehwere?
- In Weins et al 1979, the JSTOR link is redundant to the DOI
That's as picky as I can manage. Spotchecks came back OK. I certainly haven't performed a comprehensive literature search, but Google Scholar certainly isn't suggesting that you have missed anything significant. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Very strong, as ever. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:18, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it really necessary to mention that this species is found in Western Australia twice?
- dieback - got a link handy?
- Issue is dieback is a disambiguation page and the daughter article is the same as the mould. Should I link twice... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- What about linking to wiktionary? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:52, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- sure Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:18, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Issue is dieback is a disambiguation page and the daughter article is the same as the mould. Should I link twice... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- You gloss cuneate twice
- The annual rainfall is 550–600 mm (22–24 in). It is often locally abundant. - what is often abundant, the rain or the plant? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - All looks good. Just one minor consideration left above. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:52, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from FunkMonk edit
- I've never reviewed a plant article before, so here goes. FunkMonk (talk) 20:39, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- No photo of seeds?
- No author dates after authorities in the taxobox, is this a plant convention?
- Good point - I haven't done it for many that I can recall, so of the last 5 plants articles put through FA, Telopea truncata, Brachychiton rupestris, Acacia pycnantha and Epacris impressa were lacking in dates, while Banksia lemanniana had one. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, comparing the respective Codes, zoology gives the date but botany generally doesn't. Choess (talk) 14:31, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "The type specimen was collected by William Baxter, inland from King George Sound, in 1829." Not sure, but perhaps mention western Australia here?
- "The challenge failed, and Banksia L.f. was formally conserved." When?
- "George placed B. caleyi in B. subg. Banksia" This is the first time you use the name George alone, and the first time I read it, it confused me a bit, because there are already two George's mentioned (first names) in the text... Perhaps add dates to every time someone did something, to set them apart? Now you only do it for namings, but could be nice for revisions as well.
- No cladogram for the DNA analysis? It seems a bit as if the long lists of arrangements are in vain (in comparison), since they're based on what appears to outdated methods.
- "Banksia caleyi has had some degree of success in growing in more humid areas, such as Australia's east coast." In the wild? Has it been introduced elsewhere outside West Australia?
- It seems the image selection is a bit "flower-centric", how about this, showing only leaves, which I guess is more typical of what one would encounter?[2]
- The 'cf' to me suggests the photo-taker thinks they probably are caleyi but is not sure. Also, leaves can be seen in File:Banksia caleyi 02.png quite well, I do agree some more diverse shots'd be good. Will scour my computer for habit shots or anything else in a few hours. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- "Banksia caleyi is classified as Not Threatened under the Wildlife Conservation Act of Western Australia." Only mentioned in intro.
- "No subspecies are recognised." Likewise.
Comments from Sainsf edit
Hi Casliber, I like this initiative of yours. The article is indeed perfect on the whole, reviewers above have cleared almost all the flaws. Well, I have only a few points:
You should link shrub somewhere.
Link or explain serrated (Lead) (it's also there in Description), dentate (Taxonomy)
Link "described" (scientific description) and pistil in Taxonomy; and pH in Cultivation.
"Cotyledon" and "B. subg. Banksia" are duplicate links under Taxonomy
This is not a big deal but I think it would look better if we followed the sequence of the article in the Lead as well. I mean the Taxonomy details wold look better in the first paragraph of Lead. The bit about distribution need not be disturbed, but then the second paragraph would have to be expanded a bit. The second paragraph of the Lead could be expanded a bit using a few more details from Ecology and Cultivation, for instance I think the bit about pH is an important detail.
Sainsf <^>Talk all words 18:00, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support : All my issues have been addressed, and I notice no other flaw in this article so I believe this article will make a good FA. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 04:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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