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The article was not promoted by User:Ian Rose 04:03, 31 August 2013 [1].

1988 Giro d'Italia

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Nominator(s): Disc Wheel (Malk + Montributions) 18:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I've put in some considerable labor into the article to bring it from what it was ([2]). The article passed for GA about a year ago. I then tried a peer review but nothing came of it, but recently I did another and got a review out of it that helped with some minor prose issues. I feel I've made the article the best that I can, with what is available on the internet and is capable of being a featured article. Disc Wheel (Malk + Montributions) 18:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Parutakupiu

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Comments – I must commend you for the terrific improvement you've made to this article. Before giving my approval, I'd like these items to be addressed first, most of which are prose-related suggestions:

  • "The Giro started off in Urbino on 23 May with a 9 km (5.6 mi) individual time trial. The race and concluded in Vittorio Veneto..."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can't you find an alternative source (English, preferably) to reference Hampsten's victory? I'd think there are many out there.
I moved up the reference to the NYTimes article that's in English if that is okay? Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... were the Dutchman Erik Breukink and the Swiss rider, Urs Zimmermann."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... battled a snowstorm and horrid conditions." – which type of conditions? Still weather-related or concerning the terrain?
Both: heavy snow, hard winds, and muddy roads. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then maybe you could replace the vague "horrid conditions" with the more specific "muddy roads". Parutakupiu (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 14:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Shouldn't "maglia rosa" be in italics?
Fixed all I believe. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Franco Chioccioli briefly also wore the pink jersey for a two-stage period, before Hampsten took the lead. After stage 14. After gaining the race lead, Hampsten began to..." (note the hyphen in "two stage").
Fixed, glad you pointed that hyphen out, I didn't notice that. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd rephrase "Hampsten's two-minute buffer would prove to be sufficient enough to win him the race, while losing..." to something like "This gap was sufficient to win Hampsten the race, despite losing...".
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is "neo-professional" a common cycling term for young rider?
From what I can gather it was used a lot more back then, but it is tossed around every now and then... If that helps. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... Stefano Tomasini of Italy placed ninth overall to finished as the best neo-professional in the general classification, finishing in ninth place overall..."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... with and Carrera Jeans-Vagabond finishing finished as the winners of the team classification..."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 11 (Dzierzak 2007, p. 121) is not linking to the bibliography source, probably because you need to add |ref=harv to the {{cite book}} template.
Did I do this correctly? Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, you should add that in the {{cite book}} template at the Bibliography section. Parutakupiu (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wow, fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 14:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... a total of 125 riders..." – since this is not at the beginning of the sentence you don't need the redundant "a total of" to avoid writing "one hundred and twenty-five".
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are "Cyndarella- Magniflex" and "Isoglass-Mosoca" written with hyphens when all other teams have en-dashes?
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The courtyard image caption should not end with a period.
Why is that? All the other images have punctuations in the caption? Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Because that caption is not a complete sentence (see MOS:CAPTION). Parutakupiu (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I expanded the caption to a full sentence, in order to keep the period. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 14:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... with a knee injury he had sustained."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In addition to that, Bernard Hinault spoke with Bernard and told him that..."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During the team presentation in the courtyard of the Ducal Palace..." (site already mentioned before)
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... with Pedro Delgado, Andrew Hampsten, and Greg LeMond..." – link Greg LeMond here (not only in the following paragraph).
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The field also included 1986 Tour de France winner Greg LeMond entered the race with his PDM-Ultima-Concorde squad, coming off of a break from cycling as a result of to injuries related to sustained in a hunting accident." (note the comma after "squad").
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Due to this being one of his first races back, most did not see him as..."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... in the early part beginning of his season."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... to win a couple of stages in the race.[15] Many papers also believed Moreno Argentin to be a favorite to take several stages at the race, until he injured his right knee became injured."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This edition of the Giro It contained four time trial events..." (to avoid closely repeting "edition of the Giro")
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... fourteen stages that contained categorized climbs,[13] Of the stages containing categorized climbs, of which four ended had with summit finishes:..."
I took out the with that came before summit finishes if that is okay...? Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great that you spotted that. Parutakupiu (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the previous years, the organizers of the race had made the race easier for Italian favorites by disregarding some of the harder climbs the Giro had used in the past."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Three time winner" → three-time
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... and in favor of any of the non-Italian competitors."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "more harsh" → harsher
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You put harsh, not harsher. Parutakupiu (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 14:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need to link "Passo dello Stevio" and "Gavia Pass" twice in the same section.
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 03:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— I will post the remaining tomorrow. Parutakupiu (talk) 01:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • "... in the city of Urbino,[13] which was won by Jean-François Bernard won the stage by with a three-second margin over Tony Rominger." (note that I replaced the period after "Urbino" with a comma and removed ref 13)
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid you overlooked this one. Parutakupiu (talk) 20:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think I did the one below first and this one had Bernard and I put the "fixed" in the wrong place. Anywho, fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... Bernard would hold held the race leader's maglia rosa for a total of three days..." – it's a consumated fact; use past tense.
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Guido Bontempi won the stage..." – which stage?
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... in Rodi Garganico, he finished five minutes before ahead of the second place finisher." (note that I replaced the semicolon after "Garganico" with a comma)
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "His stage This victory and time gains bonus allowed him Podenzana to gain the maglia rosa, which he held until stage 12."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... that stretched 40 km (24.9 mi);[13] it was won by Del Tongo, won the stage by eleven seconds over ahead of Carrera Jeans-Vagabond." (note that I replaced the period after "(24.9 mi)" with a semicolon)
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... finished two minutes and thirty-six seconds slower than Del Tongo" – the correct is 'later' not 'slower'.
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... occupied the finish line; and forced the annulment of the stage was then cancelled." – Could you provide a brief explanation of what the evnironmentalists were protesting for?
I made the adjustments and added an explanation. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... the maglia rosa bearer change hands from Pondenzana to Franco Chioccioli.[33] The next few stages saw and the general classification shifted frequently due to the intensity of the mountains and the fatigue that set in."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unlink Gavia Pass and Passo dello Stevio, appearing again in the "Race overview" section.
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Andrew Hampsten attacked at the base of the mountain and he then rode to over the top of the Gavia.[27][34] but was chased by Dutchman Erik Breukink chased after and eventually caught and passed Hampsten with seven kilometers remaining in the stage to go on for the stage win.[27] Although Breukink won the stage, Hampsten made the bigger story by becoming the first American to don the maglia rosa in the history of the Giro d'Italia."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Due to snow being present on the Passo dello Stelvio the fifteenth stage's start was rearranged from Bormio to Spondigna, while the finishing climb in Merano stayed put." How about this: "The start of the fifteenth stage was moved ahead from Bormio to Spondigna because of snow covering the Passo dello Stevio; the summit finish in Merano was maintained."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The sixteenth stage was marked by rain and since the rain, which turned into snow as the peloton went rose higher up, the stage experienced and by two protests while climbing the Passo dello Rombo."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... formed an attack group..." – if this group broke from the peloton and headed the race at that point, shouldn't it be called an escape group?
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The eighteenth stage would prove to be critical..."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... before starting the climb to the finish at the Vetriolo Terme ski station."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Going into the stage, Hampsten was the race leader going into the stage and he was up led the race by 42 seconds over Erik Breukink,[8] Hampsten won the stage a margin that was increased by a further 32 seconds after the time trial by a 32-second margin and he distanced himself between his rivals."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... on the General Classification contenders" – lowercase letters
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The twentieth stage came down to a sprint finish won by that Paolo Rosola. won; however, Rosola was later disqualified as the stage winner, as his teammate, Roberto Pagnin, was found to have pushed Rosola him during the sprint finish."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Just Hours later the final stage took place: it was a rather hilly 43 km (26.7 mi) individual time trial."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... and the addition of rain only made it harder.[39] Both Flavio Giupponi and Urs Zimmermann crashed on the aforementioned descent.[39]" → "... which became more difficult with the rain, resulting in the crashes of Giupponi and Zimmerman.[39] "
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The time lost by that Zimmermann lost from the time trial cost him his second place overall."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Success in stages was limited to eleven of the competing teams, seven of which achieved multiple stage victories., while Four individual riders won multiple stages: The riders that won more than once were Jean-François Bernard in..."– In the rest of the sentence, I'd move the refs after the last stage won by each multiple winner, so that it doesn't get confusing with all those dispersed ref tags. Also, I'd replace the comma after "15" and "5" (the stages) with a semicolon.
Done, but I kept the refs for the last multiple winner since it was at the end of the sentence. That cool? Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Probably I wasn't clear in my comment: I suggested that instead of having ref tags right after each stage, that these tags be grouped after the same punctuation sign. For example in the article version before your edit: "Jean-François Bernard in stages 1,[31] 8,[40] and 15,[41] Guido Bontempi in stages 2[32] and 5,[42] Andrew Hampsten in stages 12[33] and 18,[43] and Alessio Di Basco in stages 9[44] and 20.[29][30]" becomes "Jean-François Bernard in stages 1, 8, and 15;[31][40][41] Guido Bontempi in stages 2 and 5;[32][42] Andrew Hampsten in stages 12 and 18;[33][43] and Alessio Di Basco in stages 9 and 20.[44][29][30]". Is it clear now?
Yeah I completely misread that. Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move ref 45 to the end of the sentence, and place ref 26 (after "stage 14") after a comma.
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The race officials did have doping controls throughout the race." → "The organization performed anti-doping controls throughout the race."
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... but had a rider tested positive this happened the following penalties would be awarded to him applied"
Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... the rider would be demoted to last place on of the stage's finish, would be given a ten-minute penalty towards in the general classification, a one-month suspension, and a fine of a thousand francs." (note the hyphens in "ten minute" and "one minute") I can't understand if the rider received only one of these four punishments or all at once?
Fixed. They received all the punishments listed out in the sentence. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 17:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— Parutakupiu (talk) 15:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Same period issue with the Hampsten image caption.
Expanded caption. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move ref 51 after "finish," and place ref 52 after a comma.
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again on the team names: are you sure about some having unspaced hyphens and others spaced en-dashes?
They should all be unspaced hyphens...... Fixed. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Cima Coppi for this Giro..." – remove italics from "The".
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "however, The the day the Giro was supposed to cross the Stelvio climb it, it was covered in snow and the Stelvio was not climbed the heavy snow cover led the organization to skip the mountain pass from the stage route."
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The fourth white jersey represented was worn by the leader of the young rider classification, marked by a white jersey."
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The fifth jersey represents the leader of the combination classification, marked by a blue jersey.[56] The combination classification, represented by a blue jersey, was calculated by adding up the rider's points in each of the classifications; with and the leader was the rider that has with the lowest total of points being the leader.[56]"
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You forgot to add ref 10 to the caption of the combination classification's table.
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just going to give it another read and allow myself to make minor tweaks, if required, before making my final decision. Cheers on the great job, though. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:27, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the help bro. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support after concerns were promptly and patiently addressed and a final copyedit run-through. Parutakupiu (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "It was the third time – and for the second year in succession – in the history of the Giro". Don't think "for" should be there.
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 02:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the items in the lead are cited in the body, they generally don't need to be cited in the lead as well. Everything in the lead should be in the body anyway.
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 02:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Race overview: Space needed after ref 40.
Done. Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 02:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (Talk) 00:24, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate comment -- With no comments for three weeks I'm afraid this review seems to have stalled, so I'll be archiving it shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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