Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1964 New York World's Fair/archive1
Self-nomination. I was the original author of this piece, created back in 2002. I was unaware that it had been nominated to be a Feature Article in July, 2004, and just stumbled across the nomination and discussion yesterday. Subsequently, I've corrected what I believe to be the major objections to the article and have removed portions that I did not feel were factually correct. I've also listed my sources to the material. I will follow this closely over the next few days and will monitor suggestions for changes as they arise. Thank you!
- Object Image:1964Fair.jpg is a copyvio - fair use - has little to do with fairs. Dunc|☺ 14:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
- Update I do know the difference between "fair use" and "Fairs." Thank you though, for pointing it out to me. The image was incorrectly attributed by the individual who added it to the article as being copyrighted TO ME! I have modified the TALK page of the photograph to indicted that it is properly "fair use." The New York World's Fair 1964-1965 Corporation would have held the copyrights to the photograph. However, the photograph may have already passed into public domain since much of the Fair Corporation's copyrighted materials, including the Fair's logos, have now passed into Public Domain. nywf64 15:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
- My understanding is that nothing passes into the public domain by abandonment. Monopoly franchises held by dissolved corporations, out of print books from defunct publishers, texts by authors who left no estates, and the like enter a sort of limbo where it seems unlikely that anyone will ever again profit from the monopoly, but those who use them do so at their risk. It's not certain that the rights to this aerial photo were held by the Fair itself in any case. Smerdis of Tlön 17:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
- The picture in question was taken in 1964 or 1965. Assuming that it was copyrighted in the first place, it is covered by the Copyright Act of 1976 and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act. As a result, the earliest it could pass into the public domain is 2059. --Carnildo 19:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
- Update Good points regarding copyrights. I would assume then that this photograph is probably still copyrighted by someone. What is your suggestion to resolve this? I do not have access to photos that are aerials of the Fair other than those that were taken by/for the Fair Corporation. Should I remove the photograph or should I keep it there and claim "Fair Use" for it? An overview of the Fairgrounds seems an appropriate photograph to accompany an opening that is an overview of the Fair and the article itself. I would have access to other photos of the Fair that belog specifically to individuals from whom I could secure copyright clearance. Would one of those be better even if it was not an overview of the Fairgrounds? Any suggestions would be helpful. Please, also comment on the article itself. Someone along the line thought it might be worth of a Featured article so that is why I dusted it off and resubmitted it. Had it not been originally nominated, I would never have considered doing it. If enough people think it's simply trash, I will, of course, remove the self-nominaton. Thanks! nywf64 01:29, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
- An image under an open license would be much better than a "fair use" one. Good choices would be an image of the fairground entrance, or of distinctive architecture from the fair. I seem to recall the fairgrounds including some rather famous UFO-like structures. --Carnildo 03:34, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
- Not objections (or support), just remarks: shouldn't there be more comparison of the '64 and '39 fairs in terms of magnitude, layout and how the space was used, etc.? Also that the Unisphere echoed the Trylon and Perisphere? Oh and I think Herbert Hoover made one of his last prominent public appearances there, maybe at the opening. Also possibly worth mentioning: the Texas Pavilion was financed by Angus Wynne, who lost a lot of money on it, forcing him to sell Six Flags over Texas. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:59, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input. The Fair was a very involved event. I've touched on that a bit by including the section on the problems with the BIE, Robert Moses and the financial debacles the Fair faced. I could go into much more detail on the Fair, there is much that can be said about it. However, I felt that the best thing would be to present a concise synopsis of the highlights of the Fair, that the majority of the readers would find interesting and then supply the links to the other websites that go into greater detail. There is a WIKIPEDIA article on the 1939/1940 World's Fair and readers are refered to that in the article and can make their own comparisons. I wanted this article to be specifically on the 1964/1965 World's Fair. And yes, Herbert Hoover probably did attend the Fair. He, along with Harry Truman, was an honorary Chairman of the World's Fair Corporation. And, yes, Angus Wynn did loose his shirt on the Texas Pavlions and Music Hall. But, again, I would risk info overload if I put all of those tidbits into the story -- and, believe me, there are many more that could be added. But much of that is covered at the other websites that specifically deal with the Fair in detail. I think a more concise presentation of the Fair and what it was about is called for here. nywf64 13:06, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- Hmm. It's not really a notably long article. I agree that there is an article on the '39 Fair, but I would actually be intrigued to know how their geographic footprints compared, and have no idea where to start looking. As to the rest of this, I guess I feel this could use more "color". (And given the well-known Disney connection, the less-known Six Flags connection seems of particular interest.) As I say, neither supporting nor objecting to this being featured, just making suggestions. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:16, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
- Update I've removed the original photograph with the questionable copyright issues. I've replaced it with a photo that an acquantance has donated to the GNU that his father took back in 1964 of the Fairgrounds. I hope that I've documented and credited this appropriately. If not, please let me know what should be changed. nywf64 02:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. --Carnildo 03:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input. The Fair was a very involved event. I've touched on that a bit by including the section on the problems with the BIE, Robert Moses and the financial debacles the Fair faced. I could go into much more detail on the Fair, there is much that can be said about it. However, I felt that the best thing would be to present a concise synopsis of the highlights of the Fair, that the majority of the readers would find interesting and then supply the links to the other websites that go into greater detail. There is a WIKIPEDIA article on the 1939/1940 World's Fair and readers are refered to that in the article and can make their own comparisons. I wanted this article to be specifically on the 1964/1965 World's Fair. And yes, Herbert Hoover probably did attend the Fair. He, along with Harry Truman, was an honorary Chairman of the World's Fair Corporation. And, yes, Angus Wynn did loose his shirt on the Texas Pavlions and Music Hall. But, again, I would risk info overload if I put all of those tidbits into the story -- and, believe me, there are many more that could be added. But much of that is covered at the other websites that specifically deal with the Fair in detail. I think a more concise presentation of the Fair and what it was about is called for here. nywf64 13:06, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
