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Category:Europe maps

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maps of Europe already exists and contains all the relevant maps. -- Adam78 22:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:AFI listed

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The result of the debate was listify --Kbdank71 15:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This would also apply to the sub-cats Category:AFI 100 Movies, Category:AFI 100 Laughs, Category:AFI 100 Thrills, Category:AFI 100 Passions and Category:AFI 100 Songs

This information is better suited to a list, and the films selected by the AFI are already listed in the articles AFI's 100 Years... 100 Movies and 100 Years Series. It is also excessive categorisation - Casablanca, just as a fairly random example, is currently classified in 10 categories (3 of them AFI Lists), and is eligible for more; Schindler's List is in 14.

More importantly, the AFI list is not an appropriate way to categorise films. Firstly, it's extremely US-centric. There are "Best film" lists produced by other national institutes and film organisations, including the BFI 100 Films list and others. There are also "best of" lists chosen by filmmakers and critics, including the respected Sight and Sound poll which has been running for more than 40 years. Wikepedia shouldn't give preferential treatment to one such set of lists.

These lists are also necessarily POV; they are based on the opinions of AFI members that these films are somehow "good" or "noteworthy"; and a subjective judgement of that kind isn't an appropriate way to classify a subject in an encyclopedia. JW 20:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Much better suited as list (will never change, list will show ranking, etc.) I wouldn't want to see all the category for all the "Top x" lists that a movie like Casablanca is on. -- JamesTeterenko 20:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename and Relocate. AFI isn't any more (or less) POV than AMPAS, BAFTA, Golden Globe, or any other insider-award-based category of films. If you eliminate AFI, you need to dump all of them. 12.73.196.131 01:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm not suggesting we eliminate the articles on the AFI lists; only that it's inappropriate to categorise films based on the opinion of the AFI, especially as we don't do that for the BAFTAS, Golden Globes or any of the others. JW 12:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. I agree we shouldn't have a category for every list some guy with a website comes up with, but these are significant lists from an important film organization which have received a good deal of media coverage. As noted above, no more POV than the Oscars, which have categories as well. Gamaliel 02:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - But the AFI lists are no more significant than any of the others, and we don't categorise on the basis of the BFI list. Who's to decide which lists are significant and which aren't? These may receive a lot of media attention in the US but for the rest of the world they have no more significance than the lists of the Australian or Bulgarian Film Institutes. The point is we shouldn't give preference to the AFI just because it's American. And there's no need for a category anyway when the information already appears as a list. JW 12:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • We decide which lists are significant and which aren't just like we decide which subjects are worthy of an encyclopedia article and which aren't and just like we decide which information to include in an encyclopedia article and which to exclude. A simple decision like this shouldn't baffle us. And we should not give a preference to the AFI over the BFI just because it's American, but because it is more significant, notable, and famous. Gamaliel 17:09, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is only more famous in America; the AFI certainly isn't more significant or notable than the BFI. The point is not that the lists aren't noteworthy (and they already have their own articles), but that they are not an appropriate way to categorise a subject. JW 20:38, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please. I certainly don't think Wikipedia should be America-centric, but we shouldn't swing so far in the other direction that we indulge in some anti-elitist fantasy that the probably non-existant Bulgarian Film Institute is just as notable or important or famous as the AFI. And I don't see at all how this is not an acceptable subject for a category for the reasons I've already stated. Gamaliel 09:19, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, when I said BFI I actually meant the British Film Institute. JW 14:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christie Surname

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:02, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware of any precedent for categories like this for English surnames, and if there is such a precedent then I don't think this is a particularly useful category anyway. Agentsoo 19:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Murder on the Orient Express. Precedent set, see this Cfd for previous listings and relevant previous discussions. ∞Who?¿? 22:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not valid. Punkmorten 12:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Category title does not make any sense and there is no explanation what else is to be included beyond the one article: or is intent to make Agatha Christie into a category unto herself? Past discussion referenced by "Who" suggests idea may be to create a genealogical category, but this is pretty weak when you have only one name to start, and that is a married name. Mr. Christie isn't even listed! A geneology for Agatha Christie would follow from her birth-surname, Miller, and that could be useful for inclusion in her article, but it makes absolutely no sense under the present title and unless there is a primary category of Category:Notable Persons' Geneologies - and enough effort and data to fill it. 12.73.194.155 23:47, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bicycle transportation

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty and redundant. Agentsoo 18:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bicycle Transportation

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty and redundant. Agentsoo 18:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Arabic Calligraphy

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a legit (if mistitled) category some day, but we have no articles for it at present, and I doubt we will in the near future. Perhaps it should be restored when we do. Agentsoo 18:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Agoraphobic celebrities

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 14:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty cat which is likely to remain empty. Hard to get famous without leaving the house, and I should know. Agentsoo 18:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Don't Delete There are a number of celebs who really are afraid to appear in public, and Agentsoo is quick to point out the category is (now) empty and does not mention he/she was the one who emptied it. It should also be noted the category has only existed for a short while, which is the reason it hasn't received a lot of entries yet.--Firsfron 04:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keeping cat because it is not empty, and Firsfron brings up valid points. --Kbdank71 14:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:AOL

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The result of the debate was soft redirect --Kbdank71 14:51, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty dupe of Category:America Online. Agentsoo 18:13, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I really wish we had cat redirs. Maybe put a soft redirect here instead? Discussion on Category titles seems to be leaning towards common naming. Just a thought. ∞Who?¿? 22:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia quote of the day

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:47, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't seem much point in a category that can only ever contain one article. Agentsoo 17:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Spaniard people

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ungrammatical dupe of Category:Spanish people. Agentsoo 17:21, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Santa Cruz Mountains Appellation Wineries

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article is an unused duplicate of the more appropriate Santa Cruz Mountains Wineries category. Delete.Gateman1997 17:41, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:List of conflicts in Canada

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The result of the debate was no consensus (keep) --Kbdank71 14:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike the entry below, this category does not contain list articles. It contains articles about wars in Canada, and the name is a misunderstanding of the distinction between lists and categories. The categorization should also be checked; it came to my attention because it included Lord Dunmore's War, which was not in Canada. (I am not sure what the name should be, but this one is just wrong.)Septentrionalis 17:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Inappropriatly named. Also, it is too general of a name to be clear on the topic. Any situation where there was a disagreement in Canada could be lumped into this category. -- JamesTeterenko 19:24, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was rename --Kbdank71 13:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it is not the category above which should be renamed, but several subcats in it. A "list of country-related topics" is, well, a list of topics by country. But a look at most subcats in it by the name of "Lists of Foo-related topics" actually contain articles which are "lists on a topic", and not "list of topics", and should be moved to the parent category, Category:Lists of country-related topics, which contains subcats named "Foo-related lists", the correct category name for such a usage. I would think all of the categories involved would require this renaming.--Huaiwei 14:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Languages of the Marshall Islands

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty, marked as CfD on July 23 by User:Renata3 but not listed here. --Kbdank71 13:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Languages of Fiji

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty, marked as CfD on July 23 by User:Renata3 but not listed here. --Kbdank71 13:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:LGBT identities vs Category:Sexual orientation and identity

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The result of the debate was no consensus (keep) --Kbdank71 13:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There can be only one. -- Beland 01:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:C* algebras

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The result of the debate was rename --Kbdank71 13:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Should be Category:C*-algebras to be consistent with the convention adopted across C*-algebra and the various other articles in the category. —Blotwell 07:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename. Yes, just do it. I think a lighter-weight process would have been to bring this up on the category talk page. And/or the WP:WPM talk page. The whole cfr bit seems heavy and excessively formal ... this won't be a contentious issue. linas 17:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Star Wars computer games

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The result of the debate was rename --Kbdank71 13:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Should be Category:Star Wars computer and video games. -Sean Curtin 06:53, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Basque myths and legends

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The result of the debate was rename --Kbdank71 13:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Basque and Iberian mythology to fit with category naming convention and with the name of its one subcategory. -Sean Curtin 05:50, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Peaks of India

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The result of the debate was merge --Kbdank71 13:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary subcategorization of Category:Mountains of India. WikiProject Mountains does not divide mountains using a technical distinction between peak and mountain. There are differing opinions on what determines a mountain versus a peak so it's best not to divide mountains up using a possibly contentious distinction. I contacted the category creator a day or two after it was created and he replied that it was okay for it to be deleted if considered "egregious" (discussion). RedWolf 05:45, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

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Art by nationality categories

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The result of the debate was suspend until category titles discussion completes --Kbdank71 13:20, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to follow convention of Category:Art by nationality, Category:Artists by nationality, and Category:Culture by country

>>sparkit|TALK<< 05:17, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Fictional babysitters

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Currently has one article; doesn't seem to have potential for many more. tregoweth 02:31, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

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