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Current requests
editPlease add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Women's Asian U18 Volleyball Championship to Category:Asian Women's U18 Volleyball Championship – C2D. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 05:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Phrases and idioms derived from Greek mythology to Category:Words and phrases derived from Greek mythology – C2C. MClay1 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Worms (series) games to Category:Worms (series) – C2D. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Beşiktaş J.K. players to Category:Beşiktaş J.K. sportspeople – C2C: There is a category-space template that automatically populates sportspeople categories and will add Category:Beşiktaş J.K. footballers to this category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Gregg Hale (producer) to Category:Television series created by Gregg Hale (filmmaker) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Works by Hugh Wilson to Category:Works by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films with screenplays by Hugh Wilson to Category:Films with screenplays by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Hugh Wilson to Category:Films directed by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Hugh Wilson to Category:Television series created by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films with screenplays by Kevin Williamson to Category:Films with screenplays by Kevin Williamson (screenwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Kevin Williamson to Category:Television series created by Kevin Williamson (screenwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by J.J. Villard to Category:Television series created by J. J. Villard – C2B: MOS:SPACEINITS. Gonnym (talk) 14:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Matt Thompson to Category:Television series created by Matt Thompson (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Mike Flanagan to Category:Television series created by Mike Flanagan (filmmaker) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Tom Snyder to Category:Television series created by Tom Snyder (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Alan Simpson to Category:Television series created by Alan Simpson (scriptwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Joe Murray to Category:Television series created by Joe Murray (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes written by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Television episodes written by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films with screenplays by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Films with screenplays by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films produced by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Films produced by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Films directed by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Works by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Television series created by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Chris Morris to Category:Television series created by Chris Morris (satirist) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Ben Jones to Category:Television series created by Ben Jones (American cartoonist) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Michael Jacobs to Category:Television series created by Michael Jacobs (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Michael Hirst to Category:Television series created by Michael Hirst (writer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by David Hare to Category:Television series created by David Hare (playwright) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Carol Black to Category:Television series created by Carol Black (writer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Bob Boyle to Category:Television series created by Bob Boyle (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by John Callahan to Category:Television series created by John Callahan (cartoonist) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Chris Carter to Category:Television series created by Chris Carter (screenwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Furies/Erinyes to Category:Erinyes – C2D. MClay1 (talk) 10:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers from Basel to Category:Footballers from Basel-Stadt – C2C: Parent category is Category:Sportspeople from Basel-Stadt Mellamelina (talk) 20:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:World War II grand strategy computer games to Category:World War II grand strategy video games – C2C. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Franklin pierce administration controversies to Category:Franklin Pierce administration controversies – C2A. Gjs238 (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chester A Arthur administration controversies to Category:Chester A. Arthur administration controversies – C2A. Gjs238 (talk) 15:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lyndon B Johnson administration controversies to Category:Lyndon B. Johnson administration controversies – C2A. Gjs238 (talk) 15:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Academics of RADA to Category:Academics of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:44, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alumni of RADA to Category:Alumni of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People associated with RADA to Category:People associated with the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:RADA to Category:Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:North Dakota Attorneys General to Category:North Dakota attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:37, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:North Carolina Attorneys General to Category:North Carolina attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:36, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:New York State Attorneys General to Category:New York State attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:New Mexico Attorneys General to Category:New Mexico attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:New Jersey Attorneys General to Category:New Jersey attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:New Hampshire Attorneys General to Category:New Hampshire attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nevada Attorneys General to Category:Nevada attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nebraska Attorneys General to Category:Nebraska attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ohio Attorneys General to Category:Ohio attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Oklahoma Attorneys General to Category:Oklahoma attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Oregon Attorneys General to Category:Oregon attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pennsylvania Attorneys General to Category:Pennsylvania attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rhode Island Attorneys General to Category:Rhode Island attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South Carolina Attorneys General to Category:South Carolina attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South Dakota Attorneys General to Category:South Dakota attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennessee Attorneys General to Category:Tennessee attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Texas Attorneys General to Category:Texas attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Utah Attorneys General to Category:Utah attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vermont Attorneys General to Category:Vermont attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Virginia Attorneys General to Category:Virginia attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Washington (state) Attorneys General to Category:Washington (state) attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Washington (state) Superintendents of Public Instruction to Category:Washington (state) superintendents of public instruction – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:West Virginia Attorneys General to Category:West Virginia attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Montana Attorneys General to Category:Montana attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Missouri Attorneys General to Category:Missouri attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mississippi Attorneys General to Category:Mississippi attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Minnesota Attorneys General to Category:Minnesota attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Michigan Attorneys General to Category:Michigan attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Massachusetts Attorneys General to Category:Massachusetts attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Maryland Attorneys General to Category:Maryland attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Maine Attorneys General to Category:Maine attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 14:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Earls of Cromartie (1703) to Category:Earls of Cromartie (1703 creation) – C2C with others in e.g. Earls or mormaers of Buchan, Earls in the Peerage of England – Fayenatic London 13:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Earls of Cromartie (1861) to Category:Earls of Cromartie (1861 creation)
- Category:Dukes of Leinster (1766) to Category:Dukes of Leinster (1766 creation)
- Category:Barons Somers (second creation) to Category:Barons Somers (1784 creation)
- Category:Barons Leigh (first creation) to Category:Barons Leigh (1643 creation)
- Category:Barons Herbert of Chirbury (first creation) to Category:Barons Herbert of Chirbury (1629 creation)
- Category:Barons Herbert of Chirbury (second creation) to Category:Barons Herbert of Chirbury (1694 creation)
- Category:Barons Braose (first creation) to Category:Barons Braose (1690 creation)
- Category:Viscounts Hampden (first creation) to Category:Viscounts Hampden (1776 creation)
- Category:Barons Douglas (first creation) to Category:Barons Douglas (1790 creation)
- Category:Barons Fauconberg (first creation) to Category:Barons Fauconberg (1296 creation)
- Category:Barons Montfort (second creation) to Category:Barons Montfort (1741 creation)
- Category:Louisiana Attorneys General to Category:Louisiana attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kentucky Attorneys General to Category:Kentucky attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kansas Attorneys General to Category:Kansas attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Iowa Attorneys General to Category:Iowa attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indiana Attorneys General to Category:Indiana attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Illinois Attorneys General to Category:Illinois attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Idaho Attorneys General to Category:Idaho attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:37, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danaids to Category:Danaïdes – C2D. MClay1 (talk) 07:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Phoenicia in Ancient Egyptian mythology to Category:Phoenicia in Egyptian mythology – C2C: per Category:Egyptian mythology. MClay1 (talk) 06:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Heroes in Hindu myths and legend to Category:Heroes in Hindu mythology – C2C: per Category:People in Hindu mythology and Category:Women in Hindu mythology. Likely named the current way in mimicry of Category:Heroes in Norse myths and legends but legends are not applicable here. MClay1 (talk) 06:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Professional wrestling in Norfolk, Virginia to Category:Professional wrestling shows in Norfolk, Virginia – C2C. User:Namiba 22:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by David Croft to Category:Television series created by David Croft (TV producer) – C2B and C2D (article is David Croft (TV producer). adding category accidently added to full Cfd by Inpops. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hawaiian Kingdom Attorneys General to Category:Hawaiian Kingdom attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Republic of Hawaii Attorneys General to Category:Republic of Hawaii attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hawaii Attorneys General to Category:Hawaii attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Georgia (U.S. state) Attorneys General to Category:Georgia (U.S. state) attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Delaware Attorneys General to Category:Delaware attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Connecticut Attorneys General to Category:Connecticut attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colorado Attorneys General to Category:Colorado attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:California Attorneys General to Category:California attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Arkansas Attorneys General to Category:Arkansas attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Arizona Attorneys General to Category:Arizona attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alaska Attorneys General to Category:Alaska attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alabama Attorneys General to Category:Alabama attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wisconsin Attorneys General to Category:Wisconsin attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:23, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wyoming Attorneys General to Category:Wyoming attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Florida Attorneys General to Category:Florida attorneys general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chief Financial Officers of Florida to Category:Chief financial officers of Florida – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Senior Advisors to the President of the United States to Category:Senior advisors to the president of the United States – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
edit- Category:Tennis players from Basel-Stadt to Category:Tennis players from Basel – C2D: Referring to the city of Basel rather than the canton of Basel-Stadt. Mellamelina (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why? @Mellamelina: Ymblanter (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, this goes against Category:Sportspeople from Switzerland by canton. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- What about Category:Footballers from Basel? Mellamelina (talk) 10:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not speediable anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- What about Category:Footballers from Basel? Mellamelina (talk) 10:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why? @Mellamelina: Ymblanter (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:World War II strategic bombing of Japan to Category:Air raids on Japan – Category follows main article name, also air raids encompass all. There is a sub-category already for just the bombings. Gryffindor (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. What speedy criteria? This category follows Category:World War II strategic bombing. Gonnym (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Firebombings in Japan to Category:Bombing of Japan – Grammatically correct term, see also "Category:Bombing of Chongqing" or "Bombing of South-East Asia (1944–1945)" as format examples. Gryffindor (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. No speedy criteria. Also parent is Category:Firebombings. Gonnym (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:12th-century Scottish Roman Catholic clergy to Category:12th-century Scottish Roman Catholic priests – C2C: The norm is that XXXth-century FOOian Roman Catholic clergy should be named XXXth-century FOOian Roman Catholic priests. There was more recent movement on this, but I can only seem to dig up this older one Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_February_11 Mason (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: the discussion you referred to rather has a (weak) inclination against priests categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, I wanted to be transparent. Do you remember the more recent one that collapsed the priests and clergy category? Mason (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I do not remember. But as bishops are still priests, I cannot see the need to have both a Priests and a Clergy category. And we do need Clergy as a parent of Bishops. The only exception is Deacons, who are clergy but not priests. But they occur in articles very exceptionally. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, I wanted to be transparent. Do you remember the more recent one that collapsed the priests and clergy category? Mason (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: the discussion you referred to rather has a (weak) inclination against priests categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty to Category:Sultanate of Golconda – C2D. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Shia dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware, however once this is moved Category:Sultans of Golconda should be moved to replace Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty as that cat includes the members of the dynasty. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree with that move either because it would remove the sultans from the tree of Category:Sultans. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I see. So then make the cat Category:Sultanate of Golconda manually one level higher than Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty? There's no reason that the main category for the Sultanate of Golconda topic shouldn't be Category:Sultanate of Golconda. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Potentially a reason for Category:Sultanate of Golconda not to exist is that there aren't any wikipedia articles about events that took place in this sultanate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle There are, they just aren't in the Qutb Shahi dynasty cat because it wouldn't make sense to have events in a dynasty cat; Siege of Golconda and Willem Leyel's war on Golconda are two examples. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the category exists now. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is now the proposal for the move? Ymblanter (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the category exists now. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle There are, they just aren't in the Qutb Shahi dynasty cat because it wouldn't make sense to have events in a dynasty cat; Siege of Golconda and Willem Leyel's war on Golconda are two examples. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Potentially a reason for Category:Sultanate of Golconda not to exist is that there aren't any wikipedia articles about events that took place in this sultanate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I see. So then make the cat Category:Sultanate of Golconda manually one level higher than Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty? There's no reason that the main category for the Sultanate of Golconda topic shouldn't be Category:Sultanate of Golconda. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree with that move either because it would remove the sultans from the tree of Category:Sultans. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware, however once this is moved Category:Sultans of Golconda should be moved to replace Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty as that cat includes the members of the dynasty. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Shia dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by subject area – C2C after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_28#Category:Wikipedia_formatting_and_function_templates – Fayenatic London 19:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Association football formatting and function templates to Category:Association football utility templates
- Category:Astronomy formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Solar System formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Minor planet formatting and function templates to Category:Minor planet utility templates
- Category:Automotive formatting and function templates to Category:Automotive utility templates
- Category:Formula E formatting and function templates to Category:Formula E utility templates
- Category:Formula One formatting and function templates to Category:Formula One utility templates
- Category:Chemistry formatting and function templates to Category:Chemistry utility templates
- Category:Currency formatting and function templates to Category:Currency utility templates
- Category:Economics formatting and function templates to Category:Economics utility templates
- Category:Transport formatting and function templates to Category:Transport utility templates
- Category:Norway rail transport formatting and function templates to Category:Norway rail transport utility templates
- Category:Virginia state highway formatting and function templates to Category:Virginia state highway utility templates
- I propose Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by topic, similar to subcategories of Wikipedia templates by task and topic. Side note: I really don't understand the meaning of the word "utility" here. Surely, all created templates are meant to have some utility? It sounds so generic, I wouldn't mind upmerging the whole tree of Wikipedia utility templates. —andrybak (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Andrybak. Looked at a few at the minor planet category. Any link template should be under a sub-category of Category:Link templates. "Utility" is so generic that it is unhelpful, as is the previous "function templates". Probably best to check the contents of each category and see if they are all of a same type, find out which parent correctly fit that type and rename to match. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: if you agree with Category:Wikipedia utility templates by topic this discussion can probably be relisted for speedy. Or the discussion may be moved to full CfD to address the "utility" issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
edit- Category:Prince Rui to Category:Prince Rui (瑞) – C2D & to distinguish from Category:Prince Rui (睿). Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Prince Yi(怡) to Category:Prince Yi (怡) – C2D Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Put on hold the above two. I've sent the articles to RM as using non-English text in a title for disambiguation isn't helpful. Gonnym (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
edit- Category:Baseball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian baseball players by province or territory – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. That isn't the standard. Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport shows that it's "Canadian province or territory", which makes sense, as it's not a random province or territory but a Canadian one. Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. That isn't the standard. Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport shows that it's "Canadian province or territory", which makes sense, as it's not a random province or territory but a Canadian one. Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball people by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese baseball players by prefecture – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This isn't a Japanese category. Gonnym (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, my bad, I tagged the wrong category! Fixed it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Still oppose. This isn't C2A and it's consistent (and correct) with Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture. Gonnym (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Many recent precedents have changed that and its now supposed to be "Foo sportspeople by region". Nevertheless, I've moved it to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Still oppose. This isn't C2A and it's consistent (and correct) with Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture. Gonnym (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, my bad, I tagged the wrong category! Fixed it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This isn't a Japanese category. Gonnym (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Family of Boris Johnson to Category:Boris Johnson family – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter, oh I did that, incorrectly thinking it was an error or the wrong. But in fact the previous version was the correct form so was just undoing it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions
editJuly 29
editNEW NOMINATIONS
editCategory:20th-century Kenyan male singers
edit- Propose merging Category:20th-century Kenyan male singers to Category:20th-century Kenyan singers
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Kenyan women singers to Category:20th-century Kenyan singers
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary diffusion of just 13 pages. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nonpersons in the Eastern Bloc
edit- Nominator's rationale: Orifinal research. The statute of the category says "In the Eastern Bloc, the political systems made directed efforts to expunge these people from history (akin to the Orwellian term "unperson"). However the items in the category are an eclectic collection, some of which, such as Eduard Eelma say not a word why he is here. Others, such as Leon Trotsky are direct contradiction: Trotsky was a scarecrow for a long time, far from being "expunged from history". Not to say that the term "nonperson" is applied only to Isaac Babel - Altenmann >talk 01:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
July 28
editCategory:1920s Mexican film stubs
edit- Propose merging Category:1920s Mexican film stubs to Category:1920s film stubs and Category:Mexican film stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category. As always, stub categories are not free for just anybody to create willy-nilly, and have to have around 60 articles before they can be created -- but there are just six articles here, and a full AWB comparison between Category:Mexican films and Category:1920s film stubs failed to find 54 more. Bearcat (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Apologies for the oversight. Οἶδα (talk) 23:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:USOPC profile template using accessdate parameter
edit- Nominator's rationale: Parameter
|accessdate=
of Template:USOPC profile stopped being used together with the category in Special:Diff/1168233416. —andrybak (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)- Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians in Bombay Beach, California
edit- Nominator's rationale: Bombay Beach, California has only a few hundred inhabitants, and apparently none of them edit Wikipedia (since the category holds no users). jlwoodwa (talk) 20:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sofascore template using numeric ID
edit- Nominator's rationale: The Template:Sofascore has stopped using this category in Special:Diff/1197330180. —andrybak (talk) 20:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As the person who removed this tracking category from the template, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a deletion at that time. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Female-fronted musical groups
edit- Nominator's rationale: Because:
- Doesn't work when considering bands with a mix of male and female vocalists such as Fleetwood Mac and Svalbard, it would be better to just put "mixed gender bands" and "all female bands". Also places undue weight and scrutiny on women in (the) band/s, potentially/usually against their wishes
- I don't think that being "female" is an inherent musical characteristic. It is not a genre, and I feel that it reduces/ghettoizes frontwomen in bands are based on/to their sex rather than their music (not to mention the use of "front"). There are traits in music that can be defined as feminine and masculine (which are available to musicians of ALL genders), which is something you can infer from listening and evaluate. being a woman is literally as surface level as you can get in musical evaluation. plus screaming growling singing etc is not limited to one gender.
- Listed here are a few articles by reliable sources, written/featuring commentators and musicians, discussing the problem of definining music by gender/using the term "female fronted".
Discuss, I guess. Chchcheckit (talk) 20:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also: it categorizes a thousand bands into one thing when they don't sound alike or have much in common besides being women. "women heavy metal singers" is fine, but this is just hasty generalization Chchcheckit (talk) 21:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Royal Belgian Football Association player template using non-numeric ID
edit- Nominator's rationale: Usage of this category was removed from Template:Royal Belgian Football Association player in Special:Diff/1125288254. —andrybak (talk) 20:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Countries in Europe by region
edit- Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted after discussion as seen here Moxy🍁 19:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- keep - useful category for several existing subcategories, same category exists for other continents. Geapply (talk) 19:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per the previous arguments. It can only be a very short finite list that doesn't actually help define anything. Plus the amount of edit wars over what region a country is in is ridiculous. Provides no advantage to the encyclopaedia. Canterbury Tail talk 20:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Moxy: don't you intend to nominate the subcategories? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Western European countries
edit- Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted after discussion as seen here Moxy🍁 19:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It is not clear at all where western Europe begins or ends. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:United States Army Air Forces officer trainees
edit- Nominator's rationale: Non defining category. These are effectively people who didn't become officers Mason (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, they served in the Army Air Forces, but were neither officers nor enlisted. The recommended parent cat is essentially a container cat with subcats only. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please review what defining mean. @FieldMarine (It'll help you make better counter arguments). They may indeed be United States Army Air Forces officer trainees (a.k.a. neither officers nor enlisted), but that's not how these people are regularly described. Mason (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- They cat description summarizes what the cat represents, and that is reflected in how they are described in the articles with the cat. There are many types of officer trainees depending on what program of entry they sign up for (ROTC, OCS, Aviation Cadet, etc.) but as a whole, the group is a distinct classification in the U.S. military. Of note, in the case of Aviation Cadet, they often held the rank for extended period of time, as did Midshipmen in the Navy. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please review what defining mean. @FieldMarine (It'll help you make better counter arguments). They may indeed be United States Army Air Forces officer trainees (a.k.a. neither officers nor enlisted), but that's not how these people are regularly described. Mason (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, Template:Category diffuse does not intend to fully prohibit articles directly in the category. A few exceptions is ok. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rugby Africa Cup
edit- Nominator's rationale: There is a speedy request to move Category:Africa Cup to Category:Rugby Africa Cup. To preserve the category history the newly created category needs to be deleted and the speedy move actioned. Bcp67 (talk) 17:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the speedy move already took place, with preservation of history. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Siemiatycze
edit- Propose merging Category:People from Siemiatycze to Category:People from Siemiatycze County
- Propose merging Category:Politicians from Siemiatycze to Category:People from Siemiatycze County
- Nominator's rationale: Small categories (only one person in the people category and only two in the politicians category) for a small (pop. 14K) town. As always, this would be fine if there were a lot more people from Siemiatycze to file in it than this, but every town does not automatically need or get one of these the moment just a couple of people with Wikipedia articles have been from there -- and since we already have the county-level category, which only has eight people in it and thus isn't in any desperate need of diffusion, there's no significant loss of context in just using that instead. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:ESPN FC template using numeric ID
edit- Nominator's rationale: Template:ESPN FC stopped using this category in Special:Diff/886229099. —andrybak (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:FootballDatabase.eu template using non-numeric ID
edit- Nominator's rationale: Template:FootballDatabase.eu stopped using this category for tracking in 2022, see Special:Diff/1125919207. —andrybak (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- See also Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion § C4 – unused maintenance categories. —andrybak (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Princes of Venice
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic, neither for the vice roy of Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic) neither for the claimed head of the former royal family of Italy. And these two articles is all there is in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Kevin Costner albums
edit- Nominator's rationale: There has only been one item in this category for the last sixteen years. Overcategorization. Nicholas0 (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Breeds originating from Indigenous people
edit- Nominator's rationale: rename for clarification. Also, I have just added this to the tree of Category:Mammal breeds. An alternative could be to upmerge the category to Category:Mammal breeds and Category:Indigenous culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion. What about Breeds/Mammal breeds domesticated by Indigenous people? The current name and the proposal both sound really awkward to me. Mason (talk) 19:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Mammal breeds domesticated by Indigenous peoples – "peoples" plural per the article title Indigenous peoples. Ham II (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with "peoples". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Philippine Sports Commission
edit- Nominator's rationale: Unneeded eponymous category that contains nothing apart from the main article. Paul_012 (talk) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Update: In light of the population of the category since the nomination, I'm willing to withdraw my nomination (though it should continue as there has also been another delete !vote). --Paul_012 (talk) 12:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose At the time of nominate, indeed the category contained only the eponymous article. I have since added applicable entries to the category. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete, I can't think of any other example of buildings and structures categorized by who maintains them. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Multiple citizenship
edit- Option A: rename Category:Multiple citizenship to Category:Multiple nationality.
- OR: option B: rename Category:People with multiple nationality to Category:People with multiple citizenship.
- Rationale: consistency. Until other arguments weigh in, option B is the preferred option per article title Multiple citizenship. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Asian conservative liberals
edit- Nominator's rationale: These categories are extremely vague. An extremely CFD on classically similar categories have been purged Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_3#Classical_liberals Mason (talk) 02:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Then what about Category:European conservative liberals and subcategories? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBT men artists
edit- Propose renaming Category:LGBT men artists to Category:LGBT male artists
- Nominator's rationale: Moving to [full]. Norm is "Male artists". For the record, the speedy rename was supported by the category creator. @MikutoH and Marcocapelle: discussants. Mason (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per LGBT men, Transgender men and their eponymous categories. Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly awkward. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: then all these categories need renaming. --MikutoH talk! 22:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand how this is awkward. @Marcocapelle Trans men who do art are male artists. Mason (talk) 02:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: the terms female and male are often associated with sex assigned at birth. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: I asked an expert and that is a myth. Polygnotus (talk) 06:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is not about facts (so it can't be a myth), this is just how language is being used. For example [1]. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: The expert said that
Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly awkward.
is alexicological myth
. I am not sure why you linked to that webpage. The expert also said:"Male" and "female" can refer to gender, "man" and "woman" to sex
. Trans men who do art are male artists. Polygnotus (talk) 11:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)- I linked to the web page exactly because it discusses "male assigned at birth" and "female assigned at birth" in transgender context. Besides, asking an expert is WP:OR and unverifiable. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you quote which part(s) of that webpage you think support your claim that
Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly awkward
? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence (and certainly after consulting an expert). Polygnotus (talk) 13:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)- Ok, "awkward" may not have been the right word. "Confusing" or "ambiguous" suits better. Information presented at Wikipedia should not be ambiguous, that is my point. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you quote which part(s) of that webpage you think support your claim that
- @Marcocapelle: The expert said that
- @Marcocapelle: I asked an expert and that is a myth. Polygnotus (talk) 06:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Do you have any sources for the claim that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing or ambiguous? And can you please doublecheck that with a person or source you trust because I believe that is incorrect. Polygnotus (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have already said that the terms female and male are often associated with sex assigned at birth and given a source for that. And no, I am not going to come up with unverifiable information like you do, that is entirely against the spirit of Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So, in summary: you wrote something that isn't true (
Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly awkward
), I tried to help you by pointing it out, then you changed it to two other claims that are also not true ("Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing" and "Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly ambiguous") and now you made a new claim (I have already said that the terms female and male are often associated with sex assigned at birth and given a source for that.
) that also isn't true (that source does not support that claim). You are perhaps misremembering the part where it says:Youth reported their sex assigned at birth by answering: “What is your sex?” Response options were female or male. Although this question does not refer to sex assigned at birth specifically, several studies have found that TGD youth are likely to understand “sex” to be sex assigned at birth rather than gender identity
(the source says that the word "sex" is understood to mean sex assigned at birth rather than gender identity, not that the words "male" and "female" are associated with sex assigned at birth). I have asked you to provide a source for your claims that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing or ambiguous and in response you wrote:I am not going to come up with unverifiable information like you do
. That does not make sense. Polygnotus (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)- You did not try to help at all. It has meanwhile become obvious that you are just trying to derail the discussion. I will not further react. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So, in summary: you wrote something that isn't true (
- @Marcocapelle: Do you have any sources for the claim that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing or ambiguous? And can you please doublecheck that with a person or source you trust because I believe that is incorrect. Polygnotus (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support to cancel out Marcocapelle's !vote based on incorrect reasoning. Trans men who do art are male artists. Polygnotus (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why Category:Male artists and Category:Women artists but not Category:Men artists or Category:Female artists? Is it because of grammar or something else? --MikutoH talk! 23:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @MikutoH are you going to make vote? You're allowed as the category creator. Mason (talk) 02:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @MikutoH: did vote but on the talkpage, not here. I have left a message on their talkpage asking them to vote here. Polygnotus (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Literary critics by ethnicity
edit- Propose merging Category:Literary critics by ethnicity to Category:Literary critics
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to have a single category isolated like this. Mason (talk) 01:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I created the category because I needed a parent category for Category:Aromanian literary critics. Now it is getting nominated for deletion. Sooner or later someone editing in the Kurdish topic area (for example) will also need this category (unless no Kurdish literary critics have ever existed). They'll create the category and again it will have one single member and find itself here. What is the sense of this? Just leave the category and it will enlarge with time. There is no benefit from this. Super Ψ Dro 09:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now there's another category. Super Ψ Dro 09:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please don't make categories with one page in them. Creating Kurdish literary critics isn't helpful unless you populate it. Mason (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why are you requesting me that I do not create appropriate categories? There must surely be other Kurdish literary critics, this is an ethnic group of around 40 million people. It is not helpful to expect one user to bother addressing arbitrary nitpicks in obscure technical areas of Wikipedia rather than letting the categories naturally grow. Deleting the categories is helpful to exactly zero readers. Super Ψ Dro 16:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have spent 20 minutes looking through Kurdish writer biographies to find literary critics. The category now has 5 people. There were some other biographies who were described as "critics" which were probably fit for the category but didn't want to risk it because I am not an expert on Kurdish topics. It should have been someone who was, rather than me pushed by an useless nomination, that populated the category.
- Regarding Aromanians I am the author of dozens of Aromanian biographies in Wikipedia. I will eventually get my way to other Aromanian literary critics and use the category. I wouldn't have created the category if I didn't know it'd be included into several biographies in the future. The category will exist in some years anyway and deleting it right now is only to fullfill a false sense of order. I ask not to be pushed into rushing new articles just for the sake of this nomination. This is not the purpose of volunteering at Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 17:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why are you requesting me that I do not create appropriate categories? There must surely be other Kurdish literary critics, this is an ethnic group of around 40 million people. It is not helpful to expect one user to bother addressing arbitrary nitpicks in obscure technical areas of Wikipedia rather than letting the categories naturally grow. Deleting the categories is helpful to exactly zero readers. Super Ψ Dro 16:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please don't make categories with one page in them. Creating Kurdish literary critics isn't helpful unless you populate it. Mason (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now there's another category. Super Ψ Dro 09:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- It should be under Category:Literary critics by language if it concerns an ethnolinguistic group, and if that is not the case then it is a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
It should be under Category:Literary critics by language if it concerns an ethnolinguistic group
this is your own opinion. We have many categories of profession and ethnicity. Language and ethnicity are not the same, the latter categories are necessary for stateless groups. In some of the categories at Category:Literary critics by language, there are people not belonging to the ethnic groups that speak those languages. For example at Category:Literary critics of Arabic there are Luc-Willy Deheuvels and Emilio García Gómez. Super Ψ Dro 16:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
July 27
editCategory:Expatriates from the Kingdom of Prussia in Congress Poland
edit- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category is extremely narrow, has only one person in it, and neither of these nations presently exist. Mason (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle except the article is about an emigrant rather than an expatriate, so I would suggest moving the article to Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Prussia to the Russian Empire instead of the proposed merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel
edit- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel is a much better descriptor than Category:Military personnel of the Holy Roman Empire. There are lots of articles in the latter category that are not about the Imperial Army. So I would rather propose a manual reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century Uzbekistani people by occupation
edit- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one occupation in here, and it seems unlikely that this category will be needed anytime soon. Mason (talk) 22:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video games about crime
edit- Propose renaming Category:Video games about crime to Category:Crime video games
- Nominator's rationale: This category is now a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre. For the sake of consistency with other subcats in this category, it should be renamed with the subject up front instead of "Video games about...". This also makes it consistent with other medium subcategories listed at Category:Crime fiction (such as Category:Crime films and Category:Crime novels). AHI-3000 (talk) 00:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, we have not only Category:Crime fiction but also Category:Fiction about crime. Also Category:Works about crime. I am unsure what to think about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: I think there should be a discussion about the overlap between the "Crime fiction", "Fiction about crime", and "Works about crime" categories. I think that's kinda redundant, and we only really need one of those categories (I personally prefer "Crime fiction" as the title). AHI-3000 (talk) 20:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, if we rename to "Crime video games" we would have to only include games themed after crime fiction, and exclude games like Cyberpunk 2077, due to what the new title would imply. Its subcategories may also have to be moved, so just keep the original name. Also, please don't also rename "Organized crime video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Video games about the military
edit- Propose renaming Category:Video games about the military to Category:Military and war video games
- Nominator's rationale: This category is now a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre. For the sake of consistency with other subcats in this category, it should be renamed with the subject up front instead of "Video games about...". Besides, this is new name would just roll off the tongue better IMO. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the previous discussion a good point was made that "military" instead of "war" makes it more managable. With a bit of exaggeration almost every video game contains elements of war, that is too broad. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: I think "Military and war video games" isn't too ambiguous of a title. I think that name implies exactly that, games which thematically revolve around militaries and military conflicts. It's not about any generic violent conflict, some game about a gang war belongs in Category:Organized crime video games for example. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Comedy video games
edit- Nominator's rationale: As per Comedy in video games there is no proof that a "comedy video game" genre actually exists, and while there are categories for "parody" or "satire", that is more self-evident. Comedy comes in numerous forms, making the separation between comedic and non-comedic unclear (I could call Garry's Mod a "comedy" game even if it is all unintentional). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. What about licensed video game adaptations of comedy movies and shows? Category:Parody video games and Category:Satirical video games have significant overlap with this category, I'd argue many of the games listed here could be categorized as comedy games, what makes these subcategories more legit than the parent category? AHI-3000 (talk) 07:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Parody and satire might actually merit a merge into each other, but they are indicative of a clear attempt to mock the original source material which is quickly evident. McPixel is obviously a parody of MacGuyver. Meanwhile, comedic video games are rarely classified as such. I don't see anyone calling Drakengard 3 a comedy game despite in my experience being heavily humorous, people classify it as an action game. Comedy and parody/satire are not the same. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. What about licensed video game adaptations of comedy movies and shows? Category:Parody video games and Category:Satirical video games have significant overlap with this category, I'd argue many of the games listed here could be categorized as comedy games, what makes these subcategories more legit than the parent category? AHI-3000 (talk) 07:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per previous category deletion in 2017 after a similar discussion. No such genre is discussed in reliable, secondary sources as associated with these entries and makes for blurry inclusion criteria. The "subcategories" do not require this parent category. czar 12:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do any "reliable sources" claim that there's evidence of a Parody or Satire genre for video games either? How are these terms any less subjective or more objective than for Comedy games? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think of this? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I seriously have no idea whether there are comedic video games. I am not familiar with sources on this topic. Dimadick (talk) 08:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- At least with parody or satire reliable sources might discuss it as being a major trait. Rarely the case with "comedy/comedic" games. I wouldn't oppose deleting the parody and satire subcategories but imagine they're most useful to breakdown the overall "satire" category into something more browsable. czar 16:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I seriously have no idea whether there are comedic video games. I am not familiar with sources on this topic. Dimadick (talk) 08:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think of this? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do any "reliable sources" claim that there's evidence of a Parody or Satire genre for video games either? How are these terms any less subjective or more objective than for Comedy games? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Google search for "comedy video games".
- Not sure how many of these websites are considered to be reliable sources according to Wikipedia policies, but for what it's worth there does seem to be a belief that Comedy exists as a narrative genre for video games, akin to Horror, Fantasy or Science Fiction.
- Also, please take a look at the "Comedy video games" category. Admittedly, most of the subcategories are for licensed adaptations of various film and TV franchises which everyone agrees are primarily comedic by nature. Games based on comedy movies and shows tend to also be comedic and heavily focused on humor.
- And another thing to consider is that there are non-adaptational video game franchises that are known for having a mostly comedic tone. Some notable examples are Borderlands, Destroy All Humans!, Monkey Island, Ratchet & Clank, and Saints Row. And I'm quite certain that there are countless reliable sources which describe these games' focus on humor and satire.
- AHI-3000 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 6#Category:Comedy video games,
Unlike film and television, "comedy" is not a defining genre of video games—not used academically and not used as a thematic genre in reviews.
Elements can be discussed as comedic but games are not discussed as genre classification ("a comedy") the same way they are discussed as "a satire" or "a parody". czar 16:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- Can you give a more recent argument than an old discussion from 2017? Can you disprove the examples I gave of the comedic video game series I mentioned, with reviewers and other sources describing their focus on humorous elements? Or the numerous video game adaptations of comedy movies and TV shows? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think WP:THREE applies here. Asking people to sort through thousands of google search results isn't a particularly compelling argument. If you think "comedy game" is a real genre, find your best 3 sources that establish that and post them. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can you give a more recent argument than an old discussion from 2017? Can you disprove the examples I gave of the comedic video game series I mentioned, with reviewers and other sources describing their focus on humorous elements? Or the numerous video game adaptations of comedy movies and TV shows? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 6#Category:Comedy video games,
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- Delete - I agree that there's no evidence that such a genre exists, and this horse has already been beaten before. Looking myself, I can find a few mentions of the idea of it as a category, but not enough to establish that it's a well-defined thing. ― novov (t c) 06:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:National military histories by war
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete, after a few earlier closures there are only two subcategories left here and they are quite unrelated, it is highly unlikely that someone would want to navigate from one subcategory to the other. By deleting the category all content still remains part of the tree of Category:Military history by war as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison and PearlyGigs: pinging contributors to earlier discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Thanks for cleaning this up!! Mason (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Members of the Fourth Aliyah
edit- Propose dispersing
Category:Members of the Fourth AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Fourth Aliyah to the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine
- Propose dispersing
- Nominator's rationale: disperse, period of 1924-1929 is arbitrary and we have diffused these migrants already by country of origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging
Category:Members of the First AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the First Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine - Propose merging
Category:Members of the Second AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Second Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine - Propose dispersing
Category:Members of the Third AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Third Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine and the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine - Propose dispersing
Category:Members of the Fifth AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Fifth Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine to the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine
- Propose merging
- I have added the siblings too, they are based on equally arbitrary periods. If not merged, then at least rename "members" to "migrants" or something like that. It does not concern membership of an organization. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/disperse per Marco's second proposal. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, Marco. That’s not going to happen. This is a category specific to the period of the Fourth Aliyah, which was 5 years. We do not want to merge it into a 20 year period of immigration. Dag21902190 (talk) 07:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- These are not arbitrary periods, you are flexing your ignorance of Israeli history.
- Furthermore, believe it or not, definition of a “member” is “one of the individuals of a group”. The group of individuals who migrated to the Land of Israel during each Aliyah was a “member” of that respective Aliyah. They have been referred to as members of their respective Aliyot since the founding of the state.
- if you want to change the word “member” for “migrant”, you will have to figure out how to change that on each person’s page. But your statement that “member” only refers to the “member of an organization”, is not true. It is your perspective of the word, but not reality.
- I will note that the time you have dedicated to coming after these unique categories, and attempting to disperse them into the ether, piques my interest. You have spent hours attacking Israeli categories and pages, wasting time that could have been used being productive.
- We will not be doing anything to the categories, as that would be denying the reality of each unique Aliyah.
- I’m starting to have serious questions about the moderators of this platform. Everything Israel-related gets attacked non-stop (in an organized fashion), by people like you, who don’t even know what the Aliyot were! Making claims that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time-period is a blatant lie, and your privileges should be investigated. This is bizarre. Dag21902190 (talk) 13:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Furthermore, I find it absolutely fascinating that you nominated the first five Aliyot for dispersal, but left out the Aliyah Bet category. Is it because Aliyah Bet was illegal immigration, and doesn’t make the Jews look good? So you wanted to disperse one through five, and keep just the illegal immigration?
- This entire nomination should be ignored, and the bias you’ve shown by nominating it should come back and bite you. Dag21902190 (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1st. Category:Aliyah Bet does not contain immigrants, it is a topic category. So that is something completely different. 2nd. Every of these Aliyahs is not a single group, they concern a process of several years with many separate groups and individuals. Group membership is therefore completely inapplicable here. 3rd. Please stop with personal attacks. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not sure what you don’t understand, and the reason you keep doubling down on a subject you know nothing about is beyond me. Each Aliyah had its own unique movement. The facilitators of those Aliyot knew that they were facilitating the first, second, third, fourth, fifth Aliyah, and then Aliyah Bet. These categories organize the early Zionist immigrants to the land of Israel by the specific Aliyah movements that facilitated their immigration. To deny the benefits of these categories, and continue to gaslight me, is just a disingenuous tactic. I frankly consider the mass nominations of my categories for” deletion” and “merging” as vandalism, and an overreach of your privileges. You are not a victim here, you are the attacker. Dag21902190 (talk) 16:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Only now I notice that you have created Category:Members of Aliyah Bet too. I will nominate this category as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1st. Category:Aliyah Bet does not contain immigrants, it is a topic category. So that is something completely different. 2nd. Every of these Aliyahs is not a single group, they concern a process of several years with many separate groups and individuals. Group membership is therefore completely inapplicable here. 3rd. Please stop with personal attacks. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose dispersing Category:Members of Aliyah Bet to the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine
- Comment Categories were prematurely emptied by the nominator. Dag21902190. This should have waited until this discussion concluded. Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: not by nominator, but by creator of these categories. They have manually moved the articles from "Members" to "Immigrants". That is a waste of effort because the move could have done by a bot if there was consensus for it. I have updated the proposal accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- You should be investigated by Wikipedia for overreach of your editing privileges. You are stalking my page, attempting to merge all of my work into broader categories that don’t differentiate between Aliyot, (which is the entire point of these categories). This is the 12th category of mine that you have vandalized with some sort of banner, and for no good reason other than it relates to Israel. You didn’t like the word “member”, so I changed it to ”immigrant”. Now you’re making a blatantly false claim that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time period. It doesn’t matter to you if you revise history, as long as you prevent a compartmentalized gold-mine of information, like these categories, from existing. You are working hard to prevent any sort of organization that makes it easy to research the early history of Israel. Dag21902190 (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing happened in 1924 that requires a category split for immigrants. It was simply a continuous inflow of immigrants. In addition, my proposal is not preventing anything because all articles will stay in Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine and Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine. Finally these are no longer "your" categories, as soon as you create them they become Wikipedia's. See also WP:OWN. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect, please do more research. Case in point would be that nearly half of the 2nd Aliyah immigrants returned to their countries of origin, while the vast majority of immigrants of the 3rd Aliyah stayed in Israel. They were two separate waves, with totally different results Dag21902190 (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see how that matters. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect, please do more research. Case in point would be that nearly half of the 2nd Aliyah immigrants returned to their countries of origin, while the vast majority of immigrants of the 3rd Aliyah stayed in Israel. They were two separate waves, with totally different results Dag21902190 (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing happened in 1924 that requires a category split for immigrants. It was simply a continuous inflow of immigrants. In addition, my proposal is not preventing anything because all articles will stay in Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine and Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine. Finally these are no longer "your" categories, as soon as you create them they become Wikipedia's. See also WP:OWN. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- You should be investigated by Wikipedia for overreach of your editing privileges. You are stalking my page, attempting to merge all of my work into broader categories that don’t differentiate between Aliyot, (which is the entire point of these categories). This is the 12th category of mine that you have vandalized with some sort of banner, and for no good reason other than it relates to Israel. You didn’t like the word “member”, so I changed it to ”immigrant”. Now you’re making a blatantly false claim that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time period. It doesn’t matter to you if you revise history, as long as you prevent a compartmentalized gold-mine of information, like these categories, from existing. You are working hard to prevent any sort of organization that makes it easy to research the early history of Israel. Dag21902190 (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, Marcocapelle, I saw the comment they inserted in your nomination and thought they were the nominator. What is going to happen with all of these "Member" categories that are now empty? Will they be turned into redirects if this proposal goes through? Liz Read! Talk! 20:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: I can imagine your confusion about what happened. If nothing else happens these categories will become eligible for deletion as empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: not by nominator, but by creator of these categories. They have manually moved the articles from "Members" to "Immigrants". That is a waste of effort because the move could have done by a bot if there was consensus for it. I have updated the proposal accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep. I don't see a convincing argument to disperse. Marco points out 5 year periods are arbitrary, but so are centuries. If, as Dag states, there exists a mode of reference that divides the immigrants into 5 periods, and someone may reasonably be taking advantage of that division to differentiate between 2 immigrants from different periods, I don't see any reason to disperse. If Dag just invented this division himself I would agree, but my impression is that this isn't the case. JoeJShmo💌 23:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)not extended confirmed HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep I'm not confident they can be dismissed as arbitrary periods - insofar that distinct push and pull factors during the different periods makes each wave have its own characteristics - but even if arbitrary periods of early immigration, they are well recognised as distinct periods (at least within Jewish scholarship). Culturally, also, the Israeli concept of "returning home" as part of an Aliyah is distinct from immigration. For these reasons, the people who were part of such migration would most likely identify it with the X Aliyah name, not as anything else. So as long as there is a good source saying that an individual moving to (insert era) Palestine did so as part of an Aliyah, I believe it is a valid identifying category. My one is concern, though, that people who may have migrated and aren’t identified as part of an Aliyah may be added to these categories based on timespan alone; manual sorting could be required which (I know from experience) is exhaustive and nigh-impossible. For simplicity and not being technically untrue, I wouldn’t staunchly object to the merge proposals as laid out. Kingsif (talk) 15:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kaguya-hime
edit- Propose renaming Category:Kaguya-hime to Category:Works based on The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter
- Nominator's rationale: All articles in the category are adaptations. Also the category title should use the current title of the main article. Mika1h (talk) 14:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hijacked journals
edit- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. Proposal: listify, where it could be better sourced. Currently this content is not discussed in the eponym article, Hijacked journal, nor in most member artciles, e.g., Sylwan. fgnievinski (talk) 19:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep None of these are reasons for deletion. If it's not discussed in each article, it should be. That individuals are not discussed in the main eponimous article is irrelevant, because they shouldn't be. We mention the first known case, Archive des Sciences as an example, but there's no reason to mention the others. WP:NONDEF also does not apply because journals do not control if they are hijacked or not, but it's very much an important thing to know about a journal. And if you want to have a list, have a list, but that does not make the category irrelevant or useless. Also an important defense for WP:CITEWATCH. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, lots of things can be a "important thing to know" (for whom?) but that does not put WP:NONDEF aside. No objection to listification if someone volunteers for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- for whom? For the reader. If you stumble upon a citation to e.g. Sylwan, it's important to know that Sylwan was hijacked, and that you may not be looking at the real Sylwan but the fake one. Also, per WP:NONDEF
- a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject.
- We have multiple reliable sources describing these journals as hijacked
- if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining;
- If it's not mentioned in the lead, it should be.
- if the characteristic falls within any of the forms of overcategorization mentioned on this page, it is probably not defining.
- It doesn't fall into any of them.
- Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources define them as "a hijacked journal"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- See Beall's list, Retraction Watch, ScholarlyOA (before it was itself hijacked), Walailak Journal, Nature, etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those are sources about the topic of hijacking. The question is about sources about the subjects in the category. Please read WP:NONDEF carefully. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Every one of those sources identify specific journals being hijacked, and how they were hijacked. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- You're missing the gist of NONDEF, so I'll quote:
- A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic, such as the nationality of a person or the geographic location of a place.
- It goes on to say:
- if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining;
- No Wikipedia article about a hijacked journal start (or should start) saying "Journal X is a hijacked journal". They just happen to be a victim of a scam. Granted, it's nice to know, but it needs to be sourced; a list would be the best place to cite sources, which is not technically possible in a mere category membership. fgnievinski (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- No Wikipedia article about a hijacked journal start (or should start) saying "Journal X is a hijacked journal". No, but the lead could (and I would argue, should) end with "The journal was hijacked by <organization>, with a fake website at <fakeurldomain>, and the legitimate site hosted at <realurldomain>".[source]" This is absolutely critical information because otherwise someone looking for e.g. Wulfenia could well end up checking the scam version rather than the legit version. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- You're missing the gist of NONDEF, so I'll quote:
- Every one of those sources identify specific journals being hijacked, and how they were hijacked. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those are sources about the topic of hijacking. The question is about sources about the subjects in the category. Please read WP:NONDEF carefully. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- See Beall's list, Retraction Watch, ScholarlyOA (before it was itself hijacked), Walailak Journal, Nature, etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources define them as "a hijacked journal"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per Headbomb's convincing arguments. If a journal is hijacked, that most certainly is a defining characteristic. --Randykitty (talk) 08:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lean rename. Is there a better name than this? Like predatory? Mason (talk) 22:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Update: I've added the list from the category to the article Journal hijacking. Regardless of result, the list is there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and listify per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:NBC LX Home affiliates
edit- Nominator's rationale: No longer available OTA but still streaming; these stations have/will start airing a new diginet, NBC American Crimes (no article yet) Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Acquired citizenship
edit- Propose merging Category:Acquired citizenship to Category:Change of nationality
- Nominator's rationale: Per previous discussions on "Naturalized citizens". Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge is actually a better option, per below comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, the precedents were Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#People with acquired citizenship or Naturalized citizens and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 9#Category:People with acquired citizenship. – Fayenatic London 12:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Manual reverse merge would be better, I think, because in some cases people become dual nationals without losing the first nationality – in which case they are acquiring rather than changing. Although "Change of nationality" is part of the name of the subcat Category:Change of nationality in sport, that name does not match its stated scope which is "Sportspeople who have represented more than one nation". – Fayenatic London 12:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge. You don't have to change your original nationality to acquire a new one. Many people have more than one nationality. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comments
- Category:Acquisition and loss of nationality would be the most accurate name — not necessarily the best one
- There is a broader conflation in the category tree between Category:Nationality and its subcat Category:Citizenship. See Nationality section "Nationality versus citizenship" and table "List of nationalities which do not have full citizenship rights".
- The category should encompass BOTH gaining a new nationality AND losing an old one (Renunciation of citizenship and Category:Denaturalization). As others have said, "Change of nationality" is bad because it suggests a combination of gaining AND losing. OTOH "Acquired citizenship" is bad because it suggests ONLY gaining, NOT losing.
- subcat Category:Change of nationality in sport is not a true subcat. There are subnational and supernational "national" teams and there are sports where non-citizens can represent. It also seems to include things like the people who played for both Czechoslovakia and Slovakia.
- Note: the previous CFD is being reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_July_24#Category:People_with_acquired_citizenship. – Fayenatic London 20:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Baltic Germans
edit- Propose merging Category:Baltic Germans to Category:Baltic-German culture
- Nominator's rationale: Three related categories:
I am not sure which way to merge, but current situation makes a mess Estopedist1 (talk) 11:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- what I think should happen is it should be merged into "Category:Baltic-German people", than the page should be split into a new catigory called "Category:Lists of Baltic-German German people". the "Category:Baltic-German culture" should be made a subcategory of Baltic-German people. Zyxrq (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as parent category of Category:Baltic-German people and Category:Baltic-German culture which are clearly different subcategories. Presumably there is also room for a Category:Baltic-German history. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I generally agree. Zyxrq (talk) 20:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: in general, Baltic Germans (see this article) means "Baltic-German people". Umbrella concept should be something like "Baltic German world" (e.g. Wikidata bundle Wikidata:Q8459480) Estopedist1 (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ethnic categories are normally organized as a topic category on top and a "people" subcategory for biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Estopedist1 @Marcocapelle I think this is kind of on topic but you guys think it would be Appropriate to create a new Template such as, Template:Baltic-Germans similar to Template:Baltic states for organizational purposes? Zyxrq (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ethnic categories are normally organized as a topic category on top and a "people" subcategory for biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: in general, Baltic Germans (see this article) means "Baltic-German people". Umbrella concept should be something like "Baltic German world" (e.g. Wikidata bundle Wikidata:Q8459480) Estopedist1 (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I generally agree. Zyxrq (talk) 20:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Farmers who died by suicide in the United States
edit- Nominator's rationale: Only one article and a category with two films. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, considering the content of Category:Agricultural health and safety there aren't even enough articles for Category:Farmers who died by suicide. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Models from London by borough
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge/Delete per WP:OCLOCATION Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be a dual merge to both parent categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I was planning to slowly phase out the "People by Royal/London Borough of Foo" categories. Its quite different from the New York City boroughs (not least that there are far more of those) and, as far as I can tell, most of the people categorized by London borough are, more of than not, from there.
- In fact, I was going to suggest a purge of anyone who is not originally from London. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I wouldn't oppose that, but until there has been a discussion about it it should still be a dual merge. Suppose consensus is against the idea, then borough categories ought to remain properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Alright, I will add those targets then. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I wouldn't oppose that, but until there has been a discussion about it it should still be a dual merge. Suppose consensus is against the idea, then borough categories ought to remain properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep categories with 5 or more members, i.e. Camden, Croydon, Hackney, H&F, K&C, TH, Wandsworth & Westminster. Merge the rest as too small to be useful for navigation. I looked at some marginal cases and was not able to populate them further. – Fayenatic London 18:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, wouldn't you agree that this is WP:OCLOCATION? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia That guideline permits "diffusing a large category". As for "relevant bearing", IMHO it is relevant that some of these models come from disadvantaged areas of the capital. – Fayenatic London 09:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, I would disagree - I don't think the category is particularly large in comparison to others to require diffusion - but I won't argue with you on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would cheerfully concede to the majority if more editors think they should all be merged. I will place a notice at WT:LONDON. – Fayenatic London 10:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, I would disagree - I don't think the category is particularly large in comparison to others to require diffusion - but I won't argue with you on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia That guideline permits "diffusing a large category". As for "relevant bearing", IMHO it is relevant that some of these models come from disadvantaged areas of the capital. – Fayenatic London 09:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, wouldn't you agree that this is WP:OCLOCATION? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:First women admitted to degrees at Oxford
edit- Nominator's rationale: While
notableinteresting, I'd say this is trivial. Perhaps Listify. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Not sure how anything can be admittedly notable and also trivial, but since I agree the topic is undoubtedly notable, it's a reasonable topic for both categories and articles. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap, I was going for the word "interesting" and have updated my rationale to reflect that. But we don't categorize by degrees. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we categorize by occupation, not by admission to education. Besides "first" is quite subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your reply is very quick, and certainly wrong, which suggests it wasn't considered. "First" can mean "the first group of women admitted to degrees at Oxford", which is objectively definable. And since when was occupation the only possible category? It obviously isn't, there are heaps of other categories, like 1949 births and people from different countries, to name but two. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, then rename to Category:Women admitted to degrees at Oxford in 1920 to avoid confusion about the word "first". Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Might the use of the word "first" be clarified if the category were titled "Women first admitted to degrees at Oxford?" The significance of the event is not that these women received degrees in 1920, but that women had been denied degrees prior to that year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Schonblom (talk • contribs) 20:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Eric Schonblom, that's true of every university then, is it not? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Women were excluded from degrees at Oxford from its founding in 1167 until 1920. That's a bit longer than could be stated for most universities. Am I missing the point? Eric Schonblom (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a bit. But if we were to categorize first women by university where should we draw the line? After 1910? 1900? That would be arbitrary in any case. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Women were excluded from degrees at Oxford from its founding in 1167 until 1920. That's a bit longer than could be stated for most universities. Am I missing the point? Eric Schonblom (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Eric Schonblom, that's true of every university then, is it not? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your reply is very quick, and certainly wrong, which suggests it wasn't considered. "First" can mean "the first group of women admitted to degrees at Oxford", which is objectively definable. And since when was occupation the only possible category? It obviously isn't, there are heaps of other categories, like 1949 births and people from different countries, to name but two. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Listify. Categories are meant to help navigation. They are not just bundles of interesting things.Mason (talk) 00:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Converting this to an article with a list is a good idea. The references are already on the category page. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I've got a draft in the works. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Its also worth noting this is a list of women who were conferred degrees in 1920. They "graduated" a few years earlier, at different times. This is basically a ceremony to award degrees. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Update: First women admitted to degrees at the University of Oxford has been moved to mainspace i.e. listified. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Religious leaders from the Roman Kingdom
edit- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Early religion by century
edit- Propose deleting Category:27th century BC in religion (1 C)
- Propose deleting Category:26th century BC in religion (1 C)
- Propose deleting Category:23rd century BC in religion (1 C)
- Propose deleting Category:18th century BC in religion (1 C)
- Propose deleting Category:19th century BC in religion (1 C)
- Propose deleting Category:16th century BC in religion (1 C)
- Propose deleting Category:15th century BC in religion (1 C)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer for this early period, the categories only contain a people subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dionysus in mythology
edit- Propose renaming Category:Dionysus in mythology to Category:Mythology of Dionysus
- Nominator's rationale: Dionysus is a mythological character and so most of the content related to him is related to mythology, but I can understand the point of diffusing all the miscellaneous articles relating to his mythology. The "X in mythology" category name is better used for depictions of real things and concepts in mythology, such as Category:Animals in mythology. The proposed name is based on Category:Mythology of Heracles. MClay1 (talk) 08:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
agree per nom. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of the Khwarazmian Empire
edit- Propose merging Category:History of the Khwarazmian Empire to Category:Khwarazmian Empire
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bogs, fens and marshes in mythology
edit- Propose renaming Category:Bogs, fens and marshes in mythology to Category:Wetlands in folklore
- Nominator's rationale: More encompassing and simpler name. Bogs, fens and marshes are apparently three of the four main types of wetlands, with swamps being the other, and I can't see why that should be excluded. Mythology is a subcategory of folklore. This is currently a small category, but I can see it being expanded, as wetlands are often the subject of folklore. MClay1 (talk) 06:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support. Total agreement with nom. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dutch people of the Eighty Years' War (Spanish Empire)
edit- Propose renaming Category:Dutch people of the Eighty Years' War (Spanish Empire) to Category:???
- Nominator's rationale: From the category description this is supposed to be for Dutch people who served the Spanish Empire during the Eight Years War. The current name doesn't convey that's the relationship.
I don't have a good rename suggestion, but I think the current version is confusing. Mason (talk) 22:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that it is a confusing title. Suggestion:
Category:Pro-Spanish Dutch people of the Eighty Years' WarorCategory:Pro-Spanish people from the Netherlands of the Eighty Years' War, the latter because the term "Dutch" may not include Frisian or Flemish people. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is missing here is the fact that it concerns military personnel. It is not just about opinions but on which side people fight. So technically it should become Category:Military personnel from the Netherlands in the Spanish army during the Eighty Years' War. But this is incredibly long and it is also unlike any other category. So I start wondering if we shouldn't merge this category and its sibling to the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Racially motivated violence against Europeans
edit- Propose renaming:
- Nominator's rationale: The first of these categories formerly included violence against white colonialists in Asia or the Americas, which isn't really comparable to anti-white attacks in Europe. I felt that (following the example of Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa that it was more appropriate to subcategorize by location of the attacks, rather than by the origin of the victims.
- In addition, these categories already seems to be subcategories of Category:Racially motivated violence in Europe, strengthening the case that they ought to be subcategories by location. GCarty (talk) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in spirit, but instead of white people/black people. It should be Category:Racially motivated violence in CONTINENT against people of African descent to make it clearer that the location and descent are easier to distinguish. Mason (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: then how would you rename the first category? Category:Racially motivated violence in Europe against people of European descent? That sounds a bit odd. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- That would be the logic. I agree that it sounds odd, but hasn't the norm been to move away from White and Black people as names for categories? Mason (talk) 21:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that "black" and "white" need to be avoided in combination with "racially motivated violence". Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- That would be the logic. I agree that it sounds odd, but hasn't the norm been to move away from White and Black people as names for categories? Mason (talk) 21:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: then how would you rename the first category? Category:Racially motivated violence in Europe against people of European descent? That sounds a bit odd. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in spirit, but instead of white people/black people. It should be Category:Racially motivated violence in CONTINENT against people of African descent to make it clearer that the location and descent are easier to distinguish. Mason (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa
edit- Nominator's rationale: Most of these articles are about anti-colonial or anti-settler violence. They cannot and should not be conflated with racially motivated violence in other contexts. User:Namiba 16:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, while this might be a reason to rename the category I can't see why we would delete the category on this ground. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Because the category does not apply.--User:Namiba 12:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It does apply as white people coincides here with settlers and their descendants. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Calling it racially motivated violence is mostly unproven. They could also be electricians but we would not call it trade motivated violence.--User:Namiba 12:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree. Many articles here are about white people in South Africa and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. The connection with skin colour is pretty obvious. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Because the category does not apply.--User:Namiba 12:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Armenian buildings in Azerbaijan
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NPOV, this resembles Category:Buildings and structures in the Republic of Artsakh that was just deleted. Note that three articles are in Category:Armenian Apostolic churches in Azerbaijan which is not a problematic category because it refers to denomination rather than to country/nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep. I created this following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_2#Architecture_by_country, where there was consensus to change from "Fooian architecture" to "Architecture in Foo"; the main focus of that discussion was whether to allow (and how to name) categories like this, where there were significant numbers of cases of diaspora architecture other than Colonial architecture. This one has a larger sibling Category:Armenian buildings in Turkey, and both of them have see-also links to/from each other and Category:Architecture in Armenia. Deleting it would be detrimental to the encyclopedia as Togh's Melikian Palace would be removed from Armenia-related architecture categories, although it would remain within Culture of Armenia. – Fayenatic London 13:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)- Note: the contents have nw been restructured into 2 subcats for churches and monasteries, with only the palace article held directly in the category. – Fayenatic London 07:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Armenian buildings and structures in Azerbaijan to include Armenian cemetery in Julfa. – Fayenatic London 07:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, I support the rename per WP:C2C. After renaming, We Are Our Mountains may be moved from Category:Culture of Armenia to this category too. But I am still not sure whether the category should be kept because how would we objectively define a building to have a different nationality? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Games by genre
edit- Propose renaming Category:Games by genre to Category:Games by theme
- Propose renaming Category:Board games by genre to Category:Board games by theme
- Propose renaming Category:Role-playing games by genre to Category:Role-playing games by theme
- Nominator's rationale: The categories for non-electronic games only consider "genres" as games by a certain topic and not by their mechanics or structure, unlike the video games by genre category. Perhaps we could rename all these categories to be analogous with the video game genres category. But we might need to rename "Games by type" to "Games by genre" in turn. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Social casual games
edit- Propose renaming Category:Social casual games to Category:Social network games
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Main Article's subject. The long-lasting "casual games" category may actually need to be discussed. It is a "genre" that overlaps with many other categories but more importantly calling certain video games "casual" can be opinionated. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mythology of Perseus
edit- Propose renaming Category:Mythology of Perseus to Category:Perseus
- Nominator's rationale: Per the naming of other eponymous categories, such as Category:Heracles and Category:Jason. MClay1 (talk) 01:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Though this category is missing articles on Perseus' spouse, his children, the many characters killed by him, and his magical weapons. Dimadick (talk) 06:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, there is also Category:Mythology of Heracles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, though that is at least a subcategory of his eponymous category. It appears to be a way to diffuse all the miscellaneous mythology articles relating to Heracles. I don't know if that's necessary, but if it is, it's probably only neeeded for prominent characters that are likely to have many connected articles, and so I don't think it would be needed for Perseus. MClay1 (talk) 15:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Greek mythological characters by location
edit- Nominator's rationale: User:Markx121993 appears to have tried to manually rename the category (that he created three years ago) by creating the new name and then manually moving all the contents. The old category then got nominated for speedy deletion for being empty, which I stopped by turning it into a redirect. I propose deleting the target and then doing a proper move so as not to lose the old category's page history. MClay1 (talk) 01:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Why did not Markx121993's propose a renaming in the first place? Dimadick (talk) 06:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge back and rename, to align with parent Category:Characters in Greek mythology. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Participant in the Council of Chalcedon
edit- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the Council of Chalcedon to Category:Participants in the Council of Chalcedon
- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the First Council of Constantinople to Category:Participants in the First Council of Constantinople
- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the Second Council of Constantinople to Category:Participants in the Second Council of Constantinople
- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the First Council of Nicaea to Category:Participants in the First Council of Nicaea
- Nominator's rationale: I think these should be plural, but I'd like to get someone's opinion who is familiar with these councils Mason (talk) 00:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- support pluralizing - no reason for them to be singular (not a topic i edit around, but a hobby interest of mine). ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- support These were supposedly church councils with hundreds of participants. No need for singular in the title. Dimadick (talk) 06:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- support As the creator of these cats, I support this renaming, it feels more natural. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, obviously plural. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Togolese women company founders
edit- Propose merging Category:Togolese women company founders to Category:Togolese women in business
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are not enough people in this tree to justify diffusion. Mason (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Women company founders. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Togolese businesspeople by industry
edit- Propose merging Category:Togolese businesspeople by industry to Category:Togolese businesspeople
- Propose merging Category:Togolese business executives to Category:Togolese businesspeople
- Propose deleting Category:Togolese founders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layers Mason (talk) 00:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- neutral: I don't know what the thinking is about these cats, so I'm staying neutral and let the community vote on that, but note that I created those cats looking at the cats avalaible for Westerners doing the same job as the page I just created then, which was Kavsokl Batoka at the time, I believe. Here it was probably Coco Channel that was taken as an example by myself. Maybe it's a mistake, but at least it shows that the same type of cats exist for Western figures/countries. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, this isn't helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the categories when they contain a couple of articles next to the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Crime in Togo by type
edit- Propose merging Category:Crime in Togo by type to Category:Crime in Togo
- Propose deleting Category:National security of Togo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Agencies of the Republic of Togo government to Category:Government agencies of Togo
- Nominator's rationale: There are numerous redundant category layers for a single page Agence nationale des renseignements (Togo) Mason (talk) 00:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, this isn't helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the categories when they contain a couple of articles next to the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Social movements in Togo
edit- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 00:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It does not make too much sense to merge it to Category:Social issues in Togo. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture)
edit- Propose renaming Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture) to Category:Kloto Prefecture
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename and reparent this category because there's no Kloto Prefecture category. Mason (talk) 00:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- oppose: We can create the category separately ; I just didn't place it in the required pages, but just in my creations, for example, Agomé-Yoh or Missahoé could be in Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture), whilst Kamalo Falls or Agomé people could be in the larger category of Category:Kloto Prefecture. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Populated places in Plateaux Region, Togo and we do not need categories for second-level administrative divisions per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Populated places in Togo by type
edit- Propose merging Category:Populated places in Togo by type to Category:Populated places in Togo
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is a redundant category layer. Mason (talk) 00:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
July 26
editCategory:Indonesian feminist writers
edit- Propose merging Category:Indonesian feminist writers to Category:Indonesian feminists and Category:Feminist writers
- Propose merging Category:Ethiopian feminist writers to Category:Ethiopian feminists and Category:Feminist writers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one person it in, which isn't helpful for navigation. I urge the category creator to only create categories that can be populated. Mason (talk) 23:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Turn-based video games
edit- Nominator's rationale: I recently removed the only article that was in this category (NOT the subcategories) "Farlanders" and to be honest, gameplay that is turn-based (progressing in turns) is not very defining. We didn't even include "Digital tabletop games in this category for that matter, but there are so many Chess simulators, Turn-based puzzles like Sokoban, Rogue, heck, even many point-and-click adventure games... It's too plain and basic to be defining, I guess. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep IMO, it's defining for the video games within. Journalists commonly use "turn-based" without specifying a genre to describe gameplay systems, such as here and here, which was my basis for creating it, so I fail to see how it's not defining. Obviously though, if other people disagree I am fine with it getting deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Businesspeople in real estate vs. real estate businesspeople
editOption A
- Propose renaming Category:American real estate businesspeople to Category:American businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Australian real estate businesspeople to Category:Australian businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Austrian real estate businesspeople to Category:Austrian businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:British real estate businesspeople to Category:British businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian real estate businesspeople to Category:Canadian businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese real estate businesspeople to Category:Chinese businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Danish real estate businesspeople to Category:Danish businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Indian real estate businesspeople to Category:Indian businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Mexican real estate businesspeople to Category:Mexican businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Nigerian real estate businesspeople to Category:Nigerian businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani real estate businesspeople to Category:Pakistani businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Romanian real estate businesspeople to Category:Romanian businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Singaporean real estate businesspeople to Category:Singaporean businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Taiwanese real estate businesspeople to Category:Taiwanese businesspeople in real estate
- Propose renaming Category:Thai real estate businesspeople to Category:Thai businesspeople in real estate
OR Option B
- Propose renaming Category:Colombian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Colombian real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Emirati businesspeople in real estate to Category:Emirati real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Filipino businesspeople in real estate to Category:Filipino real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:German businesspeople in real estate to Category:German real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Irish businesspeople in real estate to Category:Irish real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Israeli businesspeople in real estate to Category:Israeli real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Italian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Italian real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Japanese businesspeople in real estate to Category:Japanese real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Kuwaiti businesspeople in real estate to Category:Kuwaiti real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Monegasque businesspeople in real estate to Category:Monegasque real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Norwegian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Norwegian real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Russian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Russian real estate businesspeople
- Propose renaming Category:Ugandan businesspeople in real estate to Category:Ugandan real estate businesspeople
- Nominator's rationale: Significant inconsistency problem in Category:Businesspeople in real estate by nationality, with about half of the subcategories using "Demonym real estate businesspeople" and the other half using "Demonym businesspeople in real estate". Obviously these should all be named the same way; given that the parent category is Category:Businesspeople in real estate rather than Category:Real estate businesspeople, it should probably be Option A, although I'm proposing both options for discussion to prevent this landing no-consensus if there are people who feel strongly that it should be the other way. (Nearly all aunts and uncles in the Category:Businesspeople by industry grandparent are in the "businesspeople in industry" format rather than the "industry businesspeople" format, for the record.) Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Option A with exceptions – The category tree clearly should be consistent, and Option A is the best for consistency and it sounds better. However, it should be noted that real estate is an American term and not all English-speaking countries commonly use it. For example, Category:British real estate businesspeople has the subcategory Category:English businesspeople in property. Maybe Category:British real estate businesspeople (and perhaps similarly for other nationalities that don't use real estate, though I don't know which ones that would be) should move to Category:British businesspeople in property. MClay1 (talk) 02:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Painters by theme
edit- Propose renaming Category:Painters by theme to Category:UNKNOWN
- Nominator's rationale: Johnbod suggested at a previous CFD that this one should also be renamed from "theme", perhaps to "Category:Painters by type of subject". Alternatively, Category:Painters by genre would match the linked category on Commons, and fit within Category:Artists by genre. – Fayenatic London 19:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Either would be a big improvement - or "Category:Painters by subject" if that is preferred. I rather demur at using "genre" here, because the word is unfortunately ambiguous as it relates to art - genre painting is one particular genre/type of subject, whereas here we are covering a wide range of other genres. But maybe that horse has bolted. For those just joining, in art and art history, "death" and "love" are themes, the Lamentation of Christ is a subject (which has themes as well). Religious painting, or say altarpiece, is a type of subject, hence my suggesting that. Johnbod (talk) 22:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Painters by type of subject per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Painters by genre; this should be a subcategory of Category:Artists by genre. A genre is a type of subject, after all. I don't think it's a problem that genre painting is the name of one of the genres. Ham II (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:American farmers of Japanese descent
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Manually merge to appropriate categories in Category:American farmers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Volunteer security group In Nigeria
edit- Propose merging Category:Volunteer security group In Nigeria to Category:Law enforcement in Nigeria
- Nominator's rationale: Badly-named (it would need to be pluralized as groups and have the I in "in" lowercased if it's to exist at all) category newly created to hold just one thing. A renamed version would be fine if there were five things to file here, but is not needed for just one, so the base "Law enforcement" category is all that's needed at this time. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Commercial Bank CEOs in Nigeria
edit- Propose merging Category:Commercial Bank CEOs in Nigeria to Category:Nigerian business executives
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization at a bad name that doesn't comply with naming conventions for categories. We don't have any other categories that group banking executives separately from other-type-of-company executives -- i.e. no Category:Bank executives or Category:Banking executives tree exists at all -- but Nigeria doesn't have any special need to categorize banking executives separately from other business executives if no other country has that, and even if there were a valid reason to keep this it would have to be renamed for conformity with proper naming conventions anyway. Bearcat (talk) 16:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gold graduation stoles
edit- Nominator's rationale: Category for university and college honor societies on a non-defining characteristic. Honor societies are not defined by the colour of the finery that they present to their graduates. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- On first blush I agree with your sentiment @Bearcat, however upon lengthy research, stoles are a central part of the reason people join honor societies, and gold stoles are a common thread and defining feature of many honor societies in particular. This is furthered by the idea of one honor society suing another for using gold stoles. I believe it's a meaningful category for the academic space, and a way students and schools do categorize societies. I would be open renaming as the wiki community sees fit. WikiObjectivity (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nepalese martyrs
edit- Propose merging Category:Nepalese martyrs to Category:Nepalese democracy activists
- Nominator's rationale: merge, overlapping categories, "democracy activist" is more NPOV than "martyr". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Martyrs are not the same as democracy activists. "Martyr" is a technical term here, and a posthumous award of sorts; the government officially designates certain people as martyrs after deliberation. So, NPOV is not an issue. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sport in Norwood, Massachusetts
edit- Nominator's rationale: "Sport in X" category for a small town without enough noteworthy sporting events to need one. As always, every town that exists does not automatically get one of these the moment one sporting event with an article has been held there -- and while there is one other thing in the Norwood parent category that could be refiled here, there would need to be at least five sporting events with articles to file in here before a dedicated "Sports in Norwood" category was actually needed, and for just two events we only need the state-level sports category and Norwood's eponymous base category rather than an intersected crosscategory. And even if this were to be kept, it would have to be renamed to Sports, because there's an WP:ENGVAR difference between US and UK English here. Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nominator's rationale. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Former states and territories of Thuringia
edit- Propose deleting Category:Duchy of Saxe-Altenburg (1 C, 1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen (1 C, 1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Principality of Anhalt-Dornburg (1 C, 1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1 C, 2 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (2 C, 1 P); move subCategory:Orders, decorations, and medals of Weimar to Category:Ernestine duchies
- Propose deleting Category:Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt (1 C, 1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Schwarzburg-Sondershausen (1 C, 2 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Principality of Reuss-Gera (1 C, 1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Principality of Reuss-Greiz (2 C, 1 P); move subCategory:Treaties of the Principality of Reuss-Greiz to Category:Imperial County of Reuss
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with one or two history articles and a people subcategory each. I have purged articles about current populated places in Thuringia, as we have discussed multiple times that articles about current places do not belong in history categories. The main articles are already in the tree of Category:Former states and territories of Thuringia, the subcategories are already in Category:People from former German states in Thuringia so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:First Nations
edit- Propose renaming Category:First Nations to Category:First Nations in Canada
- Nominator's rationale: With the increasing use of "First Nations" as a synonym or replacement for "aboriginal" or "indigenous" in Australia, this category is starting to drift into ambiguous territory, and I've already had to clean it up at least once for the misfiling of several Australia-related topics. So we should probably now rename this to be more Canada-specific, and repurpose the plain "First Nations" as either a container for that and Australian indigenous categories, or a disambiguation category (or just a preemptive categoryredirect to the general Category:Indigenous peoples, since such usage may expand again in the future.) Bearcat (talk) 15:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support the addition “in Canada”, exactly because Indigenous peoples of Australia now use the term “First Nations” as well. Yuchitown (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
American citrus farmers
edit- Propose splitting Category:Citrus farmers from California to Category:American citrus farmers and Category:Farmers from California
- Propose splitting Category:Citrus farmers from Florida to Category:American citrus farmers and Category:Farmers from Florida
- Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Create new category for American-specific citrus farmers and add that to Category:American orchardists and Category:Citrus farmers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Create new category and dual merge per nom. John H. Shary from Texas can also be moved to the new category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose A category with 29 members is hardly a "very narrow category with few members". I would not object to Category:American citrus farmers as a higher cat (looks like it would have 2 subcats and 1 other member), but if you upmerged to that cat each member would need 3 cats to replace 1 (the 2 you propose and Category:Citrus industry in California or Category:Citrus industry in Florida), so more category cluster.--Mhockey (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhockey, I don't follow your objection exactly. This falls under the rules of WP:NARROWCAT. Other than Ranchers (21 C), which are different from farmers who grow produce that they can be considered seperate, there aren't any other produce-specific farmers by state categories other than these two. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- On what basis would you say that the cats fail WP:NARROWCAT? Parent categories too small for diffusion to be an option? Similar intersections cannot be made for related categories? Why under the rules of WP:NARROWCAT do you think that Ranchers should be split by state but not citrus farmers or any other specialist farmers (e.g. viticulturalists)? Citrus farmers exist in only a small number of states, but the test is whether similar intersections can be made for related categories, not the number of related categories that could be made. Mhockey (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, does WP:NARROWCAT not apply here? Just asking if I'm getting it wrong.
- @Mhockey, IMO, because those are too small to justify diffusing categories, IMO. Ranchers have 21 state categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- On what basis would you say that the cats fail WP:NARROWCAT? Parent categories too small for diffusion to be an option? Similar intersections cannot be made for related categories? Why under the rules of WP:NARROWCAT do you think that Ranchers should be split by state but not citrus farmers or any other specialist farmers (e.g. viticulturalists)? Citrus farmers exist in only a small number of states, but the test is whether similar intersections can be made for related categories, not the number of related categories that could be made. Mhockey (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhockey, I don't follow your objection exactly. This falls under the rules of WP:NARROWCAT. Other than Ranchers (21 C), which are different from farmers who grow produce that they can be considered seperate, there aren't any other produce-specific farmers by state categories other than these two. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films directed by Chao Deng
edit- Propose renaming Category:Films directed by Chao Deng to Category:Films directed by Deng Chao
- Nominator's rationale: The main article for this category is Deng Chao, where Deng is the subject's family name. However it is not an eponymous category so not eligible for a speedy rename (correct me if I'm wrong on this point) Vegantics (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. The proposed change would probably have been accepted at WP:CFDS too. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Philippine anime-influenced Western animated television series
edit- Nominator's rationale: Empty category, two previous entries failed CATDEF - nothing 'Western' soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, "Western" is very unusual to categorize by. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Another empty category. Consider tagging CSD C1 next time. Liz Read! Talk! 16:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Thai anime-influenced Western animated television series
edit- Nominator's rationale: Thai anime-influenced Western animated television series. What? Western animated television series, from Thailand and influenced by anime? Well, the two entries didn't mention Western whatsoever so it's an empty category. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Bro didn't even know Thailand wasn't even a part of the Western World. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, "Western" is very unusual to categorize by. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Yes, this is an empty category. Liz Read! Talk! 16:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Games about extraterrestrial life
edit- Nominator's rationale: Very redundant, unhelpful, and just pointless. firstly, we already have a separate category for video games, in which this category used to also contain video games, until I moved ALL the video games in the category, to its only subcategory "Video games about extraterrestrial life" which I have also removed from this category. So either we delete this category or just merge with "Extralif. in pop. culture". QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: it is really unclear what you are trying to say. What have you exactly done (please use links in your explanation! and perhaps examples) and why do you think this category is redundant? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't really get why you thought I was being unclear, but forget about it, I'm re-phrasing what I just said.
- Games about extraterrestrial life is one of the 5 categories on Wikipedia that begin with "Games about". Deleting this one would put the other categories in jeopardy, however MetaZoo isn't a game primarily about Aliens. Leaving us with only 3 articles in this category. Warhammer 40,000, Eclipse Phase, and Incursion. These articles will most likely be moved to Category:Extraterrestrial life in popular culture if you really think that this is necessary.
- Oh, and by the way I also nominated Category:Games by genre and 2 other categories for renaming. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Being about aliens is indeed defining, so while the category is somewhat unpopulated, tabletop games are not the same as video games and there is no cogent reason to delete it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the only thing that intrigued me was the six languages that this category was available in, even though that is not a good reason to be concerned. I'm still the one who removed all the video games from the this category though. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:British military personnel of the Nine Years' War
edit- Propose renaming Category:British military personnel of the Nine Years' War to Category:English military personnel of the Nine Years' War
- Propose renaming Category:British military personnel killed in action in the Nine Years' War to Category:English military personnel killed in action in the Nine Years' War
- Nominator's rationale: The Nine Years' War lasted from September 27, 1688, to September 20, 1697, which was before Great Britain became a nation. Notablly 17th-century English military personnel is a parent Mason (talk) 01:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Nice catch! as this has stayed unnoticed for 14-15 years. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
July 25
editCategory:Killzone
edit- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary separation of a video game franchise and its games. This category previously only contained Joris de Man besides its main subject article, but I removed it because while he is a composer of the Killzone video games, he does not fit in, in some ways because he also composed the Horizon soundtrack. I'm pretty sure that is just an excuse for there to be more than 1 article in this category. After this, rename the subcategory to just simply "Killzone." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, it suffices to interlink Joris de Man and Killzone in the body text of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Killzone games could probably be merged here instead of deleting it. The split is unnecessary given the lack of anything else in the category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- No the games should stay in the games tree, e.g. in Category:First-person shooters by series. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- To be clear, I'm talking about carrying over all its parent categories, just merging the games category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok with that provision it could be an alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- To be clear, I'm talking about carrying over all its parent categories, just merging the games category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- No the games should stay in the games tree, e.g. in Category:First-person shooters by series. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Science fiction shooter video games
edit- Propose merging Category:Science fiction shooter video games to Category:Science fiction video games
- Nominator's rationale: This category that feels out of place - Not a defining trait for the shooter game genre, especially because science fiction is really just a generic theme for the genre as a whole. Does not even categorize every single video game that is both a science fiction and shooter game. I would have instead split with Sci-fi and Shooter games but that wouldn't work due to multiple subgenres of shooter game, and only a few articles do not have a shooter games category, except for like Halo (franchise) and Gears of War. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah ok, so the nomination is actually :* Propose merging Category:Science fiction shooter video games to Category:Science fiction video games and manually merging to Category:Shooter games. I do not have an opinion about it, just helping to clarify. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom, not really its own established genre and therefore likely an example of overcategorization. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Squares and ball games
edit- Propose merging Category:Squares and ball games to Category:Ball games
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary/overcategorization Gjs238 (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Three pages are in this category. This category improves WP readers finding things and is helpful.
Perhaps some changes in the category name such as "Squares court and ball games" would be better.Happy to progress with the existing name. Rockycape (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Rockycape: please provide evidence for the existence of a more generic name like "Squares court and ball games". If a more generic name does not exist then merge the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Rockycape: for the existing name it isn't any different. Please provide evidence for the existence of a more generic name like "Squares and ball games". If a more generic name does not exist then merge the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Three pages are in this category. This category improves WP readers finding things and is helpful.
Category:Ball games --> Category:Squares and ball games --> Category: Squares
"Squares" from Category: Squares the generic name commonly used. As follows from Wiktionary definition: A sport played by four players where players have to hit a ball into other people's squares, and attempt to make a return hit. This category includes Hopscotch, Foursquare, Handball (schoolyard game) and Russian four square.Rockycape (talk) 05:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Rockycape: I am sorry but Wiktionary is not a reliable source. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Happy to use a online OED reference. Sorry it's behind a paywall. Hmmm - need to give some more thought.
- Rockycape (talk) 00:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the difficulty you have mentioning only one reliable source it is very unlikely that any term is commonly used to describe these three games as a coherent set. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Should be ok as it is commonly used and it's 2/2 with the paywall being the problem for the AED. Off to the bricks and mortar library for me and to take a squiz at the dictionary there. Rockycape (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the difficulty you have mentioning only one reliable source it is very unlikely that any term is commonly used to describe these three games as a coherent set. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ditherpunk video games
edit- Nominator's rationale: "Ditherpunk" is still a neogolism, with only a few sources supporting this term (including the developer self describing one of the games in this list), we should be categorizing by such terms Masem (t) 21:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No need for upmerging with Category:Monochrome video games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I started the category to distinguish games with a dithering style from other monochromatic graphics. Besides the growing use in sources, there's also a subreddit dedicated to the style.
- However, any other rename for the category could be alright too. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Musical theorists of the medieval Islamic world
edit- Nominator's rationale: Should be "Music theorists"; "Musical theorists" is not a normal term. Aza24 (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Category:Music theorists. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Module documentation pages
edit- Nominator's rationale: Per my comments at WP:VPT#Adding documentation subpage to module doc pages, populating this category properly requires a lot of effort both now and every future time a new module is created. Since a similar list can be found via CirrusSearch, the existence of this category is an unnecessary and wasteful drain of resources. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. WLH only includes pages that transclude {{Documentation subpage}} directly. Open any doc page in that list and you'll see that the documentation subpage message appears twice. Pppery is wrong. If the category is deleted then finding documentation subpages will become much harder. Nickps (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was wrong about that specific point (now removed), but not my broader point: CirrusSearch or frankly even Special:AllPages/Module: since almost half of all module pages are documentation pages should suffice. And what is the value of finding a list of all module documentation pages anyway? That's never been answered. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Adding Category:Module documentation pages to your watchlist and letting category changes through the filter would allow you to see every new documentation page in your watchlist. The utility of this feature is explained in MediaWiki_talk:Scribunto-doc-page-header#Category:Module_documentation_pages. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- And why would one want to see every new documentation page on one's watchlist? This still looks like an overengineered solution in search of a problem, causing unnecessary chaos as a result. On the contrary to what you claim, that discussion shows one person who relies on watching template documentation pages and explicitly does not care about module documentaton pages. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I know I watch the category. I can't speak for anyone else. If you ask me though, both of the arguments made for Category:Template documentation pages apply to modules because, while vandalism in module space is rarer, those pages are also less frequently visited, so it can be harder to spot. Removing a tool that would help with this process is a step in the wrong direction. Nickps (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
And why would one want to see every new documentation page on one's watchlist?
– because one is interested in maintaining module documentation. Keeping it consistent, up-to-date, etc. —andrybak (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- And why would one want to see every new documentation page on one's watchlist? This still looks like an overengineered solution in search of a problem, causing unnecessary chaos as a result. On the contrary to what you claim, that discussion shows one person who relies on watching template documentation pages and explicitly does not care about module documentaton pages. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Adding Category:Module documentation pages to your watchlist and letting category changes through the filter would allow you to see every new documentation page in your watchlist. The utility of this feature is explained in MediaWiki_talk:Scribunto-doc-page-header#Category:Module_documentation_pages. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Conversely, pages like Module:Category_disambiguation/doc are not listed in the WLH, despite clearly including the template. Nickps (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was wrong about that specific point (now removed), but not my broader point: CirrusSearch or frankly even Special:AllPages/Module: since almost half of all module pages are documentation pages should suffice. And what is the value of finding a list of all module documentation pages anyway? That's never been answered. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Re:
populating this category properly requires a lot of effort [...] every future time a new module is created
– /doc pages are populated via preload Template:Documentation/preload-module-doc, so it won't be a lot of effort if {{Documentation subpage}} is added to the preload. —andrybak (talk) 18:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. WLH only includes pages that transclude {{Documentation subpage}} directly. Open any doc page in that list and you'll see that the documentation subpage message appears twice. Pppery is wrong. If the category is deleted then finding documentation subpages will become much harder. Nickps (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Olympic Games in fiction
edit- Nominator's rationale: Not well defining, some of the entries can be moved to Category:Works about the Olympic Games, but not all of them. I also suspect that most of those entries are already in one of those subcategories. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Oinkers42: at first sight it seems to be a valid subcategory of Category:Sports fiction. How is this not well defined? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Egyptian art movements
edit- Nominator's rationale: 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 13:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but merge to Category:Arts in Egypt. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport
edit- Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport to Category:Canadian sportspeople by province or territory and sport
- Propose renaming Category:Professional wrestlers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian professional wrestlers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Volleyball players by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian volleyball players by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Softball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian softball players by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Triathlon people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian triathlon people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Soccer people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian soccer players by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Sledding sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian sledding sportspeople by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Skiing people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian skiing people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Skating people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian skating people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Rugby football people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian rugby football people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Rowers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian rowers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Racket sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian racket sportspeople by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Racing drivers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian racing drivers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Motorsport people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian motorsport people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Martial artists by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian martial artists by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Lacrosse people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian lacrosse people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Gymnastics people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian gymnasts by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Gridiron football people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian Gridiron football people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Golf people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian golfers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Field hockey people in Canada by province or territory to Category:Canadian field hockey people by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Cyclists by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian cyclists by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Curlers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian curlers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Cricketers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian cricketers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Boxing people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian boxers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Basketball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian basketball players by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Baseball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian baseball players by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Swimmers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian swimmers by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Aquatic sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian aquatic sportspeople by province or territory
- Propose renaming Category:Animal sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian animal sportspeople by province or territory
- Nominator's rationale: per previous precedents. Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Which province or territory? What country? Can a Canadian player play in a Baseball team in the Northern Territory? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any issue or confusion here. Its for categorizing by birth place or place where they grew up, not where they played. Majority of categories are named like this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Which province or territory? What country? Can a Canadian player play in a Baseball team in the Northern Territory? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close as potential trainwreck. The majority of such categories in Category:Sportspeople by first-level administrative country subdivision and its subcategories are in the form "XSport people by Fooian division" (e.g., Category:Cyclists from Germany by state, Category:Gaelic footballers from the Republic of Ireland by county, Category:Rugby union players in New Zealand by region) with a significant minority in the form "XSport people by division in Foo" (e.g., Category:Footballers by state in Austria, Category:Field hockey players by province in the Netherlands, Category:Rugby union players in province in Argentina). A slightly smaller number use the proposed form of ""Fooian XSport people by division". As such, this almost certainly needs a far more comprehensive discussion elsewhere than a simple nomination of one small group of categories in this format. Grutness...wha? 15:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind having a broader discussion, for now I would note that in ultimate broadness the standard format is Category:Fooian people by parameter. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture
edit- Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture to Category:Japanese sportspeople by prefecture
- Propose renaming Category:Sumo people by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese sumo people by prefecture
- Propose renaming Category:Professional shogi players by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese professional shogi players by prefecture
- Propose renaming Category:Rugby union players by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese rugby union players by prefecture
- Propose renaming Category:Association football people from Japan by prefecture to Category:Japanese association football players by prefecture
- Propose renaming Category:Baseball people by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese baseball players by prefecture
- Nominator's rationale: per (many) previous precedents. Moved to full Cfd; split should be at the end and it should by "Foo people by region". Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Which prefecture? What country? Can a Japanese player play in a Baseball team in Bangui (Prefecture)? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any issue or confusion here. Its for categorizing by birth place or place where they grew up, not where they played. Majority of categories like this are named like that. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close as potential trainwreck per Canadian nomination above. Grutness...wha? 15:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Which prefecture? What country? Can a Japanese player play in a Baseball team in Bangui (Prefecture)? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- As above. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Essays about biology
edit- Propose merging Category:Essays about biology to Category:Scientific essays
- Nominator's rationale: Smaller underpopulated category. I've already added the lone page to Biology books Mason (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete per nom, the latter because the article isn't about "an" essay and it properly sits in Category:English essay collections. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Early infrastructure
edit- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 3rd century BC to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 3rd century BC
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 2nd century BC to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 2nd century BC
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1st century BC to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 1st century BC
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1st century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 1st century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 2nd century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 2nd century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 3rd century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 3rd century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 4th century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 4th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 5th century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 5th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 6th century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 6th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 7th century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 7th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 8th century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 8th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 9th century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 9th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 10th century to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 10th century
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 2nd century BC (1 C, 2 P) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 2nd century BC
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1st century BC (1 C, 2 P) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 1st century BC
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1st century (1 C) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 1st century
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 2nd century (1 C) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 2nd century
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 3rd century (1 C) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 3rd century
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 4th century (1 C) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 4th century
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 6th century (1 C) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 6th century
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 7th century (1 C) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 7th century
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 10th century (1 C) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 10th century
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layers in these early centuries. With few exceptions it only contains a bridges subcategory under Transport infrastructure and a fortifications subcategory directly under Infrastructure. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Christian pacifist Wikipedians
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Uncategorised film articles
edit- Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem to be used by any template as I couldn't find it in an insource search. As a manual placed category this isn't really useful. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jazzland Records (1960) albums
edit- Propose merging Category:Jazzland Records (1960) albums to Category:Jazzland Records albums
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure why two categories were created, but now releases in two categories belong to the same label. The only other label with a similar name also already has its own category: Category:Jazzland Recordings albums. Solidest (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the article name is Riverside Records. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Jazzland seems to be a sublabel of it. Riverside Records discography says it's subsidiary, Discogs says it's companion label. Solidest (talk) 12:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- As the articles from both categories have the same label name in the infobox, which links to the same article (even while it is a different article name), merging seems the best solution indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bengali cinema
edit- Propose renaming Category:Cinema of West Bengal to Category:Bengali cinema, India
- Nominator's rationale: The category should be changed since the main article's name was changed from Cinema of West Bengal to Bengali cinema, India. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is not a straightforward case of WP:C2D because nominator moved the article without RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Bengali cinema in India" would be better, but I suggest reverting the undiscussed page move instead for now, as this is part of Category:Culture of West Bengal, even though "[language] cinema" is the dominant naming format in Category:Indian film industries. @Jayanthkumar123: please see WP:RM#CM for how to start a discussion on a contested page move. – Fayenatic London 12:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose This is one of three strands of [mainstream] Indian cinema whose languages are shared across countries/states, the others being Category:Cinema of Punjab (India/Pakistan), Bengali cinema (India/Bangladesh) and Telugu cinema (Andhra Pradesh/Telangana; Category:Cinema of Andhra Pradesh/Category:Cinema of Telangana). This was an undiscussed by the editor which is now sought to be imposed for the cat (I have undone the unilateral article move). Also state wise categories for Indian state cinema are extant as can be seen at Category:Cinema of India by state or union territory. Gotitbro (talk) 21:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:12th-century Indian sculptors
edit- Nominator's rationale: 3x upmerge for now. Isolated century category that doesn't really help with navigation. Mason (talk) 01:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. But to Category:12th-century Indian artists and Category:12th-century sculptors only because the articles are already in Category:Indian male sculptors. It is not clear to me why Indian sculptors are divided by gender but that is another discussion. Can we add the 7th and 8th century categories to the nomination? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video game franchises by narrative genre
edit- Nominator's rationale: QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this is clearly a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre, why would you suggest an unrelated name? AHI-3000 (talk) 04:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Both current names are not exactly stating what the categories contain. They are about video games by series, not about franchises. It should rather become something like "Video games by (narrative) genre and series". Alternatively, the narrative category may also be upmerged, it does not make too much sense to ghettoize the three genres that are in it. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the supercategory name should have "series" instead of "franchises" in it to reflect the naming pattern of the subcategories. AHI-3000 (talk) 04:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, however I do not like these new "video game franchises by narrative genre". They really just feel like overcategorization despite dividing categories in a proper way (and if so, we'll merge it back with Video games by theme). The creator will probably not agree with me, but I hope some others will, and we'll discuss all these categories later. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 17:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Video game series by narrative genre, per AHI-3000. I think many of the surrounding categories, such as Category:Video game franchises by genre, should be renamed similarly. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Agree with Category:Video game series by narrative genre. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pages using LPFM station data without facility ID
edit- Nominator's rationale: No longer used in {{LPFM station data}} after the cleanup was completed. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hotels in Pattaya
edit- Propose merging Category:Hotels in Pattaya to Category:Hotels in Thailand
- Nominator's rationale: Only has 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom but to Category:Buildings and structures in Pattaya. The article is already in Category:Hotel chains in Thailand. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've added two more entries. More could be created as redirects to their chains, but there's no point if the category's being deleted. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
July 24
editCategory:Pages using AM station data without facility ID
edit- Nominator's rationale: No longer used by {{AM station data}} after the cleanup was completed. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pages using FM station data without facility ID
edit- Nominator's rationale: No longer used by {{FM station data}} now that the cleanup has been completed. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:People with Asperger syndrome
edit- Nominator's rationale: and also manually merge where needed to categories in Category:People on the autism spectrum. Many of these are already there, I would say. In some cases, I can't find sources which say they were diagnosed with it; in which case purge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, Asperger syndrome has been merged into Autism Spectrum Disorder. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I guess you mean medically and NOT the articles . Just for clarification for other users. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per previous discussion Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 22#Category:People with Asperger syndrome/on the autism spectrum Mason (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The previous discussion was mainly about parent Category:People on the autism spectrum. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, as Marco noted, that was about the parent cat. I'm not in favor of deleting that since that is the actual diagnosis. This one is obsolete and the articles are in both subcats of the parent category and the Asperger's category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. My concern is that Asperger syndrome has been a diagnosis that reflects a constellation of symptoms that aren't defunct (a.k.a. they'd have an asd diagnosis if diagnosed today). Would the intent to be for anyone with an Asperger syndrome diagnosis to be included under the broader autism spectrum diagnosis? Mason (talk) 11:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, yes, in cases there is proof that the person had a diagnosis. Its a tricky subject, definitely. Hence why I said purge where there is no proof and only speculation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok that's helpful. I was pretty sure that's what you meant. But I wanted to make sure that we wouldn't be purging people with Asperger just because they were diagnoses in a less modern era. (or for someone to reinterpret this cfd at a later date with that interpretation). I would not be opposed as we make it really clear in the category description that this category is to include historical diagnoses. However, I think that WhatamIdoing makes a good point. So I'm conflicted. Mason (talk) 23:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, yes, in cases there is proof that the person had a diagnosis. Its a tricky subject, definitely. Hence why I said purge where there is no proof and only speculation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. My concern is that Asperger syndrome has been a diagnosis that reflects a constellation of symptoms that aren't defunct (a.k.a. they'd have an asd diagnosis if diagnosed today). Would the intent to be for anyone with an Asperger syndrome diagnosis to be included under the broader autism spectrum diagnosis? Mason (talk) 11:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and leave it alone. In particular, this isn't just a "people who meet an official diagnostic category" thing. Being an Aspie is a self-concept for some people. There is a generation of people for whom having Asperger's instead of autism is a core belief about themselves. Yes, it's true that the industry has said they don't want to use the name of that eugenicist any longer, and that they think it's politically valuable to put all the high-functioning folks in the same diagnostic category as the people who are so disabled they can't safely be left unsupervised for five minutes. But it's also true that there are people who still self-identify has having Asperger's and who reject the idea that they actually have autism. We should not be imposing beliefs on these people. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sam & Cat
edit- Propose merging Category:Sam & Cat to Category:ICarly
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article. Should also be merged to Category:Victorious. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:14, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy merge per WP:C2F, presumably to all parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not want it merged up to Category:Television duos, as that is for characters, and it is already present on Category:2010s Nickelodeon original programming. (Oinkers42) (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, that is fair. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not want it merged up to Category:Television duos, as that is for characters, and it is already present on Category:2010s Nickelodeon original programming. (Oinkers42) (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films produced by Thomas K. Gray
edit- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization: This is a category for films directed by someone who has either never had or no longer has a Wikipedia article about them. It has only one entry for a film from 1993 and a search for additional articles that meet the criteria of this category turned up no results. I would not oppose this category being re-created in the future if Gray produces additional films, but at the present moment this is unhelpful for navigating Wikipedia Vegantics (talk) 17:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cochise County conflict
edit- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COPSEP, this should be split into a non-people and people category, enabling the people to be places in such categories as Category:19th-century people by conflict, etc. --woodensuperman 12:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with nom on their rationale, but rather split between Category:History of Cochise County, Arizona and Category:People from Cochise County, Arizona as there wasn't a clearly defined Cochise County conflict and it is not a defining characteristic of the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:American folklore
edit- Propose splitting Category:American folklore to Category:American folklore and Category:People from American folklore
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COPSEP, this should be split into a people and non-people category. --woodensuperman 12:14, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just purge biographies, "folklore" is not a defining characteristic of them. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Split per nom, & purge the bios of most actual historical figures - William Kidd etc. Johnbod (talk) 17:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning split and purge bios to the Category:People from American folklore. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Family of Boris Johnson
edit- Propose renaming Category:Family of Boris Johnson to Category:Boris Johnson family
- Nominator's rationale: Reverse speedy name change. It was an error on my part; I didn't realize that the original version was the correct form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Rename per nom, see Category:Family by person.Marcocapelle (talk) 04:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, for some reason I had in mind to rename to Category:Family of Boris Johnson instead of from. Most siblings use "Family of" so I am not sure why it would be more correct to have family at the end. More explanation is needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose; most subcats of Category:Family by person follow the existing style. "[Surname] family" and "Family of [full name]" seems to be the general rule. Ham II (talk) 19:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ham II, @Marcocapelle - it matches categories in Category:Political families of the United Kingdom and Category:Families of prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Not to mention that it is also the format for Category:First families of the United States. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ultimately I think either way is fine, but apparently we need an option A versus an option B here in order to achieve consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the comparable categories in Category:Political families of the United Kingdom have only surnames; the only ones with individuals' names are this one and Category:Family of Sir Henry Norman, 1st Baronet. There are articles titled Family of David Cameron and Family of Winston Churchill in politics (as well as Family of Joe Biden, Family of Donald Trump and Family of Barack Obama). In Category:First families of the United States, "[Surname] family" isn't used for Category:Family of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Ham II (talk) 06:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ham II, @Marcocapelle - it matches categories in Category:Political families of the United Kingdom and Category:Families of prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Not to mention that it is also the format for Category:First families of the United States. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- I agree with the principle of discussing the A and B options; would that be an RfC or can CfDs present two possibilities like that? I've found many more categories to add to Category:Families by person (which has been speedily renamed since earlier in this conversation), and the picture now looks very mixed. Ham II (talk) 19:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I would say that the name, for now, should be made consistant with all the other categories and then a later Cfd can be opened with an A and B option for categories like this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose. If it is the family of a single notable individual, it should be in the form Family of [person], but if it is the whole family being discussed, is should be [Surname] family. --woodensuperman 12:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as "Family of Boris Johnson" per above, on grammatical grounds & others. Johnbod (talk) 17:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose – Proposed name sounds awkward and current name is better. It only makes sense to use "X family" if it's just the surname. An ordinary person called John Smith would refer to his family as "the Smith family" and never "the John Smith family". MClay1 (talk) 04:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works about villains
edit- Nominator's rationale: This topic is really vague in the extreme, almost anything can be called a "villain" by someone or characterized as being "about" a villain if they feature heavily in the plot. It doesn't make sense as a category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Works with villain protagonists. Looking at one of the articles, I think this is supposed to be about works with a villain as the protagonist, such as Soon I Will Be Invincible. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, Category:Works featuring villain protagonists, like the video game subcategory, Category:Video games featuring villain protagonists. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Works with villain protagonists. Looking at one of the articles, I think this is supposed to be about works with a villain as the protagonist, such as Soon I Will Be Invincible. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, rename. That clarification is really needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment I do not support renaming, as I think the renamed category suffers from the same problem, as does the existing VG category. I could easily call Nathan Drake a "villain protagonist", after all he does kill hundreds in his archaeology escapades. The "Fictional heroes" and "Fictional villains" categories were made recently, one by a disruptive editor, and are also subjective. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete but add Category:Video games featuring villain protagonists up into Fictional villains for now. The film subcat is already within that parent hierarchy via Supervillains. – Fayenatic London 17:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- The merge target must now be Category:Villains after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_8#Category:Fictional_villains. – Fayenatic London 07:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Meanwhile I am leaning more towards Fayenatic london's solution. One subcategory does not clearly belong here, the next is already in the tree of Category:Villains and the third can be added there. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Works featuring villain protagonists. That is a useful categorisation of works. I disagree with the comment that a character being a villain is subjective – the real-world morality of how many people a character kills is irrelevent; the character is defined as a hero or villain within the context of the story or otherwise reliably sourced analysis in the article. MClay1 (talk) 01:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dobrujan Tatar
edit- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category. It only has two articles: Dobrujan Tatar and Dobrujan Tatar alphabet. Everything can be included in the parent Category:Crimean Tatar language, as Dobrujan Tatar is a dialect of it (and the page on the dialect already includes this category). Super Ψ Dro 23:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Surely merge, but I am not certain of the Crimean Tatar target. If that is correct, then the article should be revised in order to make it more clear. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- It might sound confusing due to the geographic names but the Crimean Khanate once extended beyond Crimea and its population was semi-nomadic from what I understand. Dobrujan Tatar is a dialect of the Crimean Tatar language, this has been discussed already at Talk:Dobrujan Tatar. Super Ψ Dro 10:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I had not checked ths talk page. From what I understand of the discussion, the merge target should be Category:Kipchak languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, it has been not. We are not linguist at all. I, as a speaker of this language, disagree with it. The situation of this language is not clear!!!! Maybe you hear "it's a dialect" from somewhere and act with own knowledge, this is not a solution. The language is in discussion by SIL, and they noticed that the language is different than Crimean Tatar. The discussions are in progress. Zolgoyo (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: do you agree with the merge target Category:Kipchak languages instead? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I do not understand why it needs to be merged? What's the problem of the category? There are so many categories based on language, variant, dialect etc. And the category is about "Dobrujan Tatar" and not about any other topic, how do you want to compress this category into another category? Zolgoyo (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: the problem is that the category adds zero value to navigation. The two articles are already directly interlinked. When a reader wants to find more related articles (which is the purpose of categories) the next most related topic is Kipchak languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, how do you know that there won't be more pages on this topic? Secondly, this is not the only category in this situation. Each category proliferates and expands at its own pace. Why we need to close this category by making such an extremist move? Zolgoyo (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- We can always recreate the category if there are going to be more articles. And no, this is not extremist, this happens all the time. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, how do you know that there won't be more pages on this topic? Secondly, this is not the only category in this situation. Each category proliferates and expands at its own pace. Why we need to close this category by making such an extremist move? Zolgoyo (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: the problem is that the category adds zero value to navigation. The two articles are already directly interlinked. When a reader wants to find more related articles (which is the purpose of categories) the next most related topic is Kipchak languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I do not understand why it needs to be merged? What's the problem of the category? There are so many categories based on language, variant, dialect etc. And the category is about "Dobrujan Tatar" and not about any other topic, how do you want to compress this category into another category? Zolgoyo (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: do you agree with the merge target Category:Kipchak languages instead? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- It might sound confusing due to the geographic names but the Crimean Khanate once extended beyond Crimea and its population was semi-nomadic from what I understand. Dobrujan Tatar is a dialect of the Crimean Tatar language, this has been discussed already at Talk:Dobrujan Tatar. Super Ψ Dro 10:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- @Super Dromaeosaurus: it may be useful to ping all participants involved in Talk:Dobrujan Tatar discussions in order to get a clearer consensus on this. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from the Savoyard state
edit- Propose merging Category:People from the Savoyard state to Category:People from Savoy
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: not very overlapping, there is quite a difference between the duchy of Savoy in the Holy Roman Empire, the "extended" Savoyard State which largely consisted of current Piedmont in Italy, and two French departments with Savoie in their name, Savoie and Haute Savoie. The category tree is quite messy but this is not the way to solve it. Perhaps a better alternative is to convert Category:People from Savoy to a disambiguation page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I worry that making People from Savoy a disambiguation page might make it even messier. So would the FOOian century people from Savoy catergies need to be rearranged as well. I'm open to alternative solutions that tidy up this mess. Is Savoyard State really the term we should be using at all? Because it seems not be a nationality from my skimming of the category.Mason (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that the centuries need to be renamed. It is a composite state, comparable to the Crown of Aragon and the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I worry that making People from Savoy a disambiguation page might make it even messier. So would the FOOian century people from Savoy catergies need to be rearranged as well. I'm open to alternative solutions that tidy up this mess. Is Savoyard State really the term we should be using at all? Because it seems not be a nationality from my skimming of the category.Mason (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Technology articles with topics of unclear notability
edit- Propose deleting Category:Technology articles with topics of unclear notability (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Broadcast articles with topics of unclear notability (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Institution articles with topics of unclear notability (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Media articles with topics of unclear notability (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Science articles with topics of unclear notability (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Unknown topic articles of unclear notability (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Unclear if these are needed as they aren't listed as one of the valid categories in {{Notability}}. Gonnym (talk) 08:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not used by Template:Notability, according to source code. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bombing of the Gaza Strip
edit- Nominator's rationale: This category has a lot of overlap with the parent category. I think a better name would be Category:Israeli airstrikes during the Israel–Hamas war, which more closely mirrors sibling categories like Category:American airstrikes during the Syrian civil war Mason (talk) 04:10, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom or merge to Category:Airstrikes during the Israel–Hamas war. Renaming and moving articles from Category:Airstrikes during the Israel–Hamas war to here would nearly empty Category:Airstrikes during the Israel–Hamas war so merging is also a good option. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Airstrikes during the Israel–Hamas war per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also fine with the proposed merge target. Mason (talk) 23:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Airstrikes during the Israel–Hamas war per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:3-honeycombs by order
edit- Propose deleting Category:3-honeycombs by order (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Order-3-n 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-4-n 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-5-n 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-6-n 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-7-n 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-8-n 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-n-2 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-n-3 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-n-4 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-n-5 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-n-6 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-n-7 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Propose merging Category:Order-n-8 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:3-honeycombs
- Nominator's rationale: Mostly redirects with few unique articles. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom and purge redirects to the same articles that are already in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:American veterans activists
edit- Propose merging Category:American veterans activists to Category:American veterans' rights activists
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 03:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. It is unclear that the articles in American veterans activists would be properly categorized in American veterans' rights activists if this merge occurs. Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 14:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can you @FieldMarine explain how are these are not overlapping categories? This is the only category for veterans activists. What are these activists advocating for that isn't covered by rights? Mason (talk) 23:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Mason, there are many types of activists beyond just advocating for "rights". With the merge, it is unclear if everyone in the category to be eliminated fits in "rights" advocacy, nor does it allow for more complete capturing of veterans activists in the future. There's also two cat scheme connections here with the current setup. Category:American veterans activists as subcat of Category:American activists and Category:American veterans' rights activists as subset of Category:Veterans' rights activists by nationality. Semper Fi! (talk) 11:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I understand all that it would be unclear, that is why I am asking. @FieldMarineDo you have any example of an American veterans activist who does not fit into the "rights" advocacy bucket? Please be specific because I don't see how they aren't fully overlapping right now. Mason (talk) 11:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Mason, in checking the first three, I do not see the word "rights" mentioned at all. I do see advocacy mentioned. In one case I see suicide prevention, which fits with advocacy not "rights". Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, let me rephrase. I'm asking because I am trying to understand how this category is substantively and meaningfully different. It would be extremely helpful for you (as the category creator) to provide concrete examples of why you think these categories are unique. I'm not opposed to reverse merging, however, reverse merging would eventually lead to renaming and reparenting a lot of other sibling categories. Hence, I'm trying to understand if this distinction is fundamentally meaningful. Suicide prevention is useful, but it doesn't really seem from looking at the categories that this group is unique other than they don't seem to have mentioned activism for rights specifically, but still they are advocating for veterans to have a better life. As a counter example, we don't have both a disability activists category and a disability rights activists category. They are highly overlapping because the core element is advocacy on behalf of disabled people. Mason (talk) 23:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the issue raised about the possible disruption to the sibling categories with a merge or reverse merge for the reason I mention above – right now as separate subcats they are aligned with the parent cats. As for the counter example, "We don't have both a disability activists category and a disability rights activists category." I am not aware there's such a thing as a "disability activist", so it is unclear how that could ever be a cat. However, veterans activists do exist. Also of note to this discussion, the "disability rights activist" cat is a subcat of a higher-level activist cat.
Rights has a specific meaning and there are veterans activists who advocate beyond "rights". None of the articles in this category mention veterans rights at all. The veteran suicide issue is a good example because it encompasses a wide range of activists, well beyond advocating for rights. In my opinion, straying away from meanings or taking a loose view invites an improper or unmeaningful cat scheme. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Mason, there are many types of activists beyond just advocating for "rights". With the merge, it is unclear if everyone in the category to be eliminated fits in "rights" advocacy, nor does it allow for more complete capturing of veterans activists in the future. There's also two cat scheme connections here with the current setup. Category:American veterans activists as subcat of Category:American activists and Category:American veterans' rights activists as subset of Category:Veterans' rights activists by nationality. Semper Fi! (talk) 11:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bedouin businesspeople
edit- Propose merging Category:Bedouin businesspeople to Category:Arab businesspeople
- Nominator's rationale: Not necessary to subcategorize the target category this way. Also contains only 2 articles. Gjs238 (talk) 17:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Egyptian businesspeople and Category:Syrian businesspeople, which should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't there some benefit to categorising by ethnicity and nationality? Anecdotally, every Bedouin I've ever met would say that they're a Bedouin first and their nationality second. – Joe (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- merge I will nominate Category:Arab businesspeople shortly because it conflates ethnicity and nationality, like so many similar categories that have been brought to CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does it conflate them or just set up a parallel scheme for ethnicity, i.e. Category:Businesspeople by ethnicity? Do you also object to Category:African-American businesspeople and Category:Jewish businesspeople? – Joe (talk) 06:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jewish businesspeople is a recreation of a previously deleted category, so it is at least controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- But it exists now. And Nyttend recently declined a CSD nom with this enlightening edit summary:
We're no longer in the same situation as before — the recent "keep" for Jews by occupation (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 26) means that there's recent support for categories of this type, and speedy-deleting just this one would be absurd
. I don't have a dog in this fight, but wouldn't it make sense to establish a consensus for or against categories by ethnicity, rather than seeking to delete individual ones here and there? – Joe (talk) 11:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- But it exists now. And Nyttend recently declined a CSD nom with this enlightening edit summary:
- Category:Jewish businesspeople is a recreation of a previously deleted category, so it is at least controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does it conflate them or just set up a parallel scheme for ethnicity, i.e. Category:Businesspeople by ethnicity? Do you also object to Category:African-American businesspeople and Category:Jewish businesspeople? – Joe (talk) 06:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retain I can list quite a few reasons for this: Bedouins have a distinct cultural, historical, and social identity within the Arab world. Merging their category into a general "Arab businesspeople" category could be seen as diluting the unique aspects of their cultural heritage. A specific category helps represent their unique challenges and contributions which might not be adequately covered. The Bedouin community has a history of nomadic trade and business practices that differ significantly from other Arab groups. A specific category preserves this historical context. Bedouins have distinct social structures and community dynamics that influence their business practices. Specific business strategies, success stories and challenges faced by Bedouin businesspeople can be studied with the help of a dedicated category. For cultural studies research, having a specific category can help in drawing more nuanced conclusions about the Bedouin way of life and their integration into modern economies. Furthermore, Wikipedia claims to be an inclusive platform representing diverse perspectives and communities. This category aligns with the principle of giving minority groups adequate representation. Merging the category marginalizes the Bedouin community within the larger Arab context.--Simxaraba (talk) 08:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of this addresses the small size of the category, and this is just WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are several more businessmen that are notable enough to be written about. Just because the category is small at the moment doesn't mean there aren't more. Simxaraba (talk) 15:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of this addresses the small size of the category, and this is just WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge
- Category:Bedouins not subcategorized by occupation
- Category:Arab businesspeople not subcategorized by ethnic group
Gjs238 (talk) 10:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:4-polytope stubs
edit- Propose merging Category:4-polytope stubs to Category:Geometry stubs
- Nominator's rationale: A small 26-page stub category on a niche topic. Consider also checking if articles are directly in Category:4-polytopes. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Reginar Brussels
edit- Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination of a category which was discussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 16#History of Brussels by period but was never tagged; I have no opinion on whether this should happen or not. Pinging Marcocapelle. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per precedent. Apologies for the omission. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Palestinian bedouins
edit- Propose merging Category:Palestinian bedouins to Category:Bedouins in the State of Palestine
- Nominator's rationale: Effectively redundant. Will require manual addition of parent categories to the target, for it is a downmerge. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but purge Al-Hamra, Baysan which is about a village that was depopulated in 1948. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- What about Bedouins that originate in Palestine but now live in Israel (such as the Negev Bedouin) or Jordan? Category:Palestinian bedouins seems the broader category and therefore the better merge target. It also corresponds to an article, Palestinian Bedouin. – Joe (talk) 06:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Negev Bedouin is in Category:Bedouins in Israel so I can't see this as a good argument against the rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- It should be in both, since the area was formerly part of Palestine. – Joe (talk) 08:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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- The area was formerly part of Mandatory Palestine but that is completely irrelevant for this category. This is an odd argument too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The relevance is that it that, because of this history, there are many (i.e. tens of thousands of) people who can be described as "Palestian bedouins" (I've given the example of the Negev bedouin; there are others) but don't reside in the State of Palestine. Your proposal is to erase this cross-border grouping (which is notable enough for a standalone article) and split it neatly into Category:Bedouins in Israel and Category:Bedouins in the State of Palestine, which does not reflect the messier reality. – Joe (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bedouins in Israel and Category:Bedouins in the State of Palestine are existing categories. They are not the result of my proposal. If you think there is something wrong with them (which I do not think) then you should nominate them for deletion, merger or renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- You misunderstand. I think the current situation is fine. Merging Category:Palestinian bedouins id what would create a problem. – Joe (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is simply redundant considering that Category:Bedouins in Israel and Category:Bedouins in the State of Palestine completely cover the topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- You misunderstand. I think the current situation is fine. Merging Category:Palestinian bedouins id what would create a problem. – Joe (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bedouins in Israel and Category:Bedouins in the State of Palestine are existing categories. They are not the result of my proposal. If you think there is something wrong with them (which I do not think) then you should nominate them for deletion, merger or renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The relevance is that it that, because of this history, there are many (i.e. tens of thousands of) people who can be described as "Palestian bedouins" (I've given the example of the Negev bedouin; there are others) but don't reside in the State of Palestine. Your proposal is to erase this cross-border grouping (which is notable enough for a standalone article) and split it neatly into Category:Bedouins in Israel and Category:Bedouins in the State of Palestine, which does not reflect the messier reality. – Joe (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Brainwashing theory proponents
edit- Propose merging Category:Brainwashing theory proponents to Category:Mind control theorists
- Nominator's rationale: Whatever the difference is supposed to be between these two categories is beyond me. As far as I can tell, both categories are about people notable for writing works promoting the legitimacy of the sociological concept of brainwashing/mind control (which are more or less the same thing). This just seems like a slightly less neutral version of the other category made by a banned sock. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Researchers of new religious movements and cults and that is exactly where they belong. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I disagree with this, because brainwashing is actually a sociological debate, not strictly related to cults, that had quite a lot of scientific input. Like half the people in the mind control category have no relation to NRMs/cults at all. Brainwashing as a concept has been discussed in relation to politics, kidnapping (see Patty Hearst), etc. It is its own thing: while it is often brought up in relation to cults that's not its only relevance. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly, but the articles in the nominated category are about researchers of new religious movements and cults. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle They're also primarily notable for brainwashing in a NRM context so I think it should be upmerged. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
The articles do not mention that they are a mind control theorist so I think you are applying WP:SYNTH.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)- @Marcocapelle Of the 7 people in the to-be-merged category,
- 1) Abgrall is noted as being a brainwashing theorist
- 2) Clark’s article is a stub that doesn’t say much of anything
- 3) Eichel’s article prominently mentions him presenting theories of brainwashing and mindcontrol
- 4) Hassan’s article prominently mentions his theories of mind control
- 5) Lalich’s article discusses her “coercive control” theories (also a synonym for mind control)
- 6) Langone discusses his theories of mind control/coercive control as it relates to cults
- 7) Singer’s article declares her notable primary for advancing theories of brainwashing
- At least 6 out of the 7 with the other being a stub without proper context.
- Mind control and brainwashing are the same thing (and our brainwashing page was at mind control until a few years ago) PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I may have jumped to conclusions too quickly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- lol don't worry it's fine PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I may have jumped to conclusions too quickly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle They're also primarily notable for brainwashing in a NRM context so I think it should be upmerged. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly, but the articles in the nominated category are about researchers of new religious movements and cults. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I disagree with this, because brainwashing is actually a sociological debate, not strictly related to cults, that had quite a lot of scientific input. Like half the people in the mind control category have no relation to NRMs/cults at all. Brainwashing as a concept has been discussed in relation to politics, kidnapping (see Patty Hearst), etc. It is its own thing: while it is often brought up in relation to cults that's not its only relevance. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- They aren't in the other category. I would rather not have to add them to it manually after the fact. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete, but only mildly. Mason (talk) 23:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video games with expansion packs
edit- Nominator's rationale: Last year, on May 7, 2023. A similar category "Video games with downloadable content" was deleted, and expansion packs are pretty much the same as downloadable content. In turn, this category is probably non-defining. Expansion packs are as common as DLC, and are essentially the same. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I'd agree with the nominator - having an expansion pack does not always modify the base game, so it's hard to call it a defining feature. Categories should be defining aspects of the subject, not something tangential. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because there are several other potentially non defining categories like "Video games with alternate versions" that I would have put under discussion in the same nomination or whatever. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is not a reason to oppose.
Just discuss with nominator whether the other categories should be included in this nomination or elseyou can nominate them separately, then you can support both nominations. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)- Striking half of my comment because I did not realize that the oppose was from nominator themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is not a reason to oppose.
- Oppose because there are several other potentially non defining categories like "Video games with alternate versions" that I would have put under discussion in the same nomination or whatever. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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Museum collections
edit- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Allen Memorial Art Gallery to Category:Collection of the Allen Memorial Art Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Allen Memorial Art Museum to Category:Collection of the Allen Memorial Art Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Amgueddfa Cymru – Museum Wales to Category:Collection of Amgueddfa Cymru – Museum Wales
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery to Category:Collection of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Derby Museum and Art Gallery to Category:Collection of Derby Museum and Art Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Herbert Art Gallery and Museum to Category:Collection of the Herbert Art Gallery and Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Lancashire Museums to Category:Collection of Lancashire Museums
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of M – Museum Leuven to Category:Collection of M – Museum Leuven
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of National Galleries Scotland to Category:Collection of National Galleries Scotland
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of National Museums Scotland to Category:Collection of National Museums Scotland
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of North Lincolnshire Museum to Category:Collection of North Lincolnshire Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Palazzo Abatellis to Category:Collection of the Palazzo Abatellis
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Palazzo Pitti to Category:Collection of the Palazzo Pitti
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of Pinacoteca di Brera to Category:Collection of the Pinacoteca di Brera
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of The Collection (Lincolnshire) to Category:Collection of the Lincoln Museum, Lincolnshire
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of York Art Gallery to Category:Collection of York Art Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Accademia Carrara to Category:Collection of the Accademia Carrara
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Albertina, Vienna to Category:Collection of the Albertina, Vienna
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Gallery of Ballarat to Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of Ballarat
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Gallery of New South Wales to Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of New South Wales
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Gallery of Ontario to Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of Ontario
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Gallery of South Australia to Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of South Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Gallery of Western Australia to Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Institute of Chicago to Category:Collection of the Art Institute of Chicago
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Museum of Estonia to Category:Collection of the Art Museum of Estonia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Astrup Fearnley Museum of Modern Art to Category:Collection of the Astrup Fearnley Museum of Modern Art
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Ateneum to Category:Collection of the Ateneum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Australian War Memorial to Category:Collection of the Australian War Memorial
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Bangkok National Museum to Category:Collection of the Bangkok National Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Bardo National Museum (Tunis) to Category:Collection of the Bardo National Museum (Tunis)
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Detroit Institute of Arts to Category:Collection of the Detroit Institute of Arts
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Doria Pamphilj Gallery to Category:Collection of the Doria Pamphilj Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Fitzwilliam Museum to Category:Collection of the Fitzwilliam Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Fuglsang Art Museum to Category:Collection of the Fuglsang Art Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Borghese to Category:Collection of the Galleria Borghese
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica to Category:Collection of the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Nazionale dell'Umbria to Category:Collection of the Galleria Nazionale dell'Umbria
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Nazionale delle Marche to Category:Collection of the Galleria Nazionale delle Marches
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Sabauda to Category:Collection of the Galleria Sabauda
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria dell'Accademia to Category:Collection of the Galleria dell'Accademia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria nazionale di Parma to Category:Collection of the Galleria nazionale di Parma
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Gallerie dell'Accademia to Category:Collection of the Gallerie dell'Accademia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Geelong Gallery to Category:Collection of the Geelong Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Gemäldegalerie Alte Meister to Category:Collection of the Gemäldegalerie Alte Meister
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Germanisches Nationalmuseum to Category:Collection of the Germanisches Nationalmuseum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Gothenburg Museum of Art to Category:Collection of the Gothenburg Museum of Art
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Groeningemuseum to Category:Collection of the Groeningemuseum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Hull and East Riding Museum to Category:Collection of the Hull and East Riding Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Hunan Museum to Category:Collection of the Hunan Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Hunan Provincial Museum to Category:Collection of the Hunan Provincial Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Israel Museum to Category:Collection of the Israel Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the J. Paul Getty Museum to Category:Collection of the J. Paul Getty Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Kröller-Müller Museum to Category:Collection of the Kröller-Müller Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Kunsthistorisches Museum to Category:Collection of the Kunsthistorisches Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Kunstmuseum, The Hague to Category:Collection of the Kunstmuseum Den Haag
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Lady Lever Art Gallery to Category:Collection of the Lady Lever Art Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Louvre to Category:Collection of the Louvre
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Lázaro Galdiano Museum to Category:Collection of the Lázaro Galdiano Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Moderna Museet to Category:Collection of the Moderna Museet
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts to Category:Collection of the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo Bardini to Category:Collection of the Museo Bardini
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo Correr to Category:Collection of the Museo Correr
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofía to Category:Collection of the Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofía
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo Nazionale di San Matteo to Category:Collection of the Museo Nazionale di San Matteo
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo del Prado to Category:Collection of the Museo del Prado
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo di Capodimonte to Category:Collection of the Museo di Capodimonte
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya to Category:Collection of the Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen to Category:Collection of the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum Ludwig to Category:Collection of the Museum Ludwig
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts, Ghent to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts, Ghent
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts (Budapest) to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts (Budapest)
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Grenoble to Category:Collection of the Museum of Grenoble
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of London to Category:Collection of the Museum of London
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Carnavalet to Category:Collection of the Musée Carnavalet
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Condé to Category:Collection of the Musée Condé
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Gustave-Moreau to Category:Collection of the Musée Gustave-Moreau
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Jacquemart-André to Category:Collection of the Musée Jacquemart-André
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée d'Art et d'Histoire (Neuchâtel) to Category:Collection of the Musée d'Art et d'Histoire (Neuchâtel)
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée d'Arts de Nantes to Category:Collection of the Musée d'Arts de Nantes
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée d'Orsay to Category:Collection of the Musée d'Orsay
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des Augustins to Category:Collection of the Musée des Augustins
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Nancy to Category:Collection of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Nancy
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des Beaux-Arts et d'archéologie de Besançon to Category:Collection of the Musée des Beaux-Arts et d'Archéologie de Besançon
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des beaux-arts de la ville de Paris to Category:Collection of the Musée des beaux-arts de la ville de Paris
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Archaeological Museum, Naples to Category:Collection of the National Archaeological Museum, Naples
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Archives of Thailand to Category:Collection of the National Archives of Thailand
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery (Norway) to Category:Collection of the National Gallery (Norway)
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery Prague to Category:Collection of the National Gallery Prague
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Art to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Art
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Australia to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Canada to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Canada
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Denmark to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Denmark
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Victoria to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Victoria
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich to Category:Collection of the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum Cardiff to Category:Collection of National Museum Cardiff
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum in Prague to Category:Collection of the National Museum in Prague
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of Anthropology (Mexico) to Category:Collection of the National Museum of Anthropology (Mexico)
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of Beirut to Category:Collection of the National Museum of Beirut
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of Qatar to Category:Collection of the National Museum of Qatar
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of Serbia to Category:Collection of the National Museum of Serbia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of Singapore to Category:Collection of the National Museum of Singapore
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of the Philippines to Category:Collection of the National Museum of the Philippines
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Portrait Gallery, London to Category:Collection of the National Portrait Gallery, London
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Roman Museum to Category:Collection of the National Roman Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Nationalmuseum Stockholm to Category:Collection of the Nationalmuseum Stockholm
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Naval Museum of Madrid to Category:Collection of the Naval Museum of Madrid
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art to Category:Collection of the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the New Art Gallery Walsall to Category:Collection of the New Art Gallery Walsall
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the North Carolina Museum of Art to Category:Collection of the North Carolina Museum of Art
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Norton Simon Museum to Category:Collection of the Norton Simon Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Norwegian Museum of Cultural History to Category:Collection of the Norwegian Museum of Cultural History
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek to Category:Collection of the Ny Carlsberg Glyptothek
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Palais des Beaux-Arts de Lille to Category:Collection of the Palais des Beaux-Arts de Lille
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Petit Palais to Category:Collection of the Petit Palais
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Powerhouse Museum to Category:Collection of the Powerhouse Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Pushkin Museum to Category:Collection of the Pushkin Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Randers Museum of Art to Category:Collection of the Randers Museum of Art
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam to Category:Collection of the Rijksmuseum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Royal Museum of Fine Arts, Antwerp to Category:Collection of the Royal Museum of Fine Arts, Antwerp
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium to Category:Collection of the Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Royal Ontario Museum to Category:Collection of the Royal Ontario Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Russian Museum to Category:Collection of the Russian Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Salar Jung Museum to Category:Collection of the Salar Jung Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Science Museum, London to Category:Collection of the Science Museum, London
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Scott Polar Research Institute to Category:Collection of the Scott Polar Research Institute
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Skagens Museum to Category:Collection of the Skagens Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Strada Nuova Museums to Category:Collection of the Musei di Strada Nuova
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Städel to Category:Collection of the Städel
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum to Category:Collection of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Tretyakov Gallery to Category:Collection of the Tretyakov Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Uffizi to Category:Collection of the Uffizi
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Van Gogh Museum to Category:Collection of the Van Gogh Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Vatican Museums to Category:Collection of the Vatican Museums
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Victoria and Albert Museum to Category:Collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Villa Giulia to Category:Collection of the Villa Giulia
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Wadsworth Atheneum to Category:Collection of the Wadsworth Atheneum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Wallraf-Richartz Museum to Category:Collection of the Wallraf-Richartz Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Wallraf–Richartz Museum to Category:Collection of the Wallraf–Richartz Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Winterthur Museum, Garden and Library to Category:Collection of the Winterthur Museum, Gallery and Library
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Worcester Art Museum to Category:Collection of the Worcester Art Museum
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Yale Center for British Art to Category:Collection of the Yale Center for British Art
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Yale University Art Gallery to Category:Collection of the Yale University Art Gallery
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the York Archaeological Trust to Category:Collection of the York Archaeological Trust
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the York Museums Trust to Category:Collection of the York Museums Trust
- Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Yorkshire Museum to Category:Collection of the Yorkshire Museum
- Nominator's rationale: Subcategories of Category:Museum collections for individual museums currently use a mixture of the styles "Collection of [the Foo Museum]" and "Collections of [the Foo Museum]". I propose to standardize to "Collection", singular, as that seems more logical; the article Collection (museum) mostly refers to a museum as having a "collection" as opposed to "collections", plural – although "Very large museums will often have many sub-collections, each with its own criteria for collecting. A natural history museum, for example, will have mammals in a separate collection from insects." Even in those cases, though, it's still idiomatic to refer to the collection of, say, the British Museum – see this Ngram. Ham II (talk) 06:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It is indeed correct to use a plural categroy name when a museum has multiple named collections, often each with their own subcategory. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As Andy. Collections in plural (for all but the smallest museums) is correct. Especially for our use, where we regularly have subcategories to more specific collections. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for the reasons expressed above. I think it would be better to standardize using "Collections", since it is not uncommon for museums to have multiple collections. — SGconlaw (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose and standardize 'Collections' per Sgconlaw. For example, I often refer to Wikipedia's topic collections and not overall 'collection of articles'. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)- Strong support I'm very puzzled by these opposes - most from people not known for activity in this area. To "standardize using "Collections", since it is not uncommon for museums to have multiple collections" is just NOT an option, as many museums don't have multiple named options. We can indeed use named subcategories though pretty few museum categories actually do so - one exception is Category:British Library. We normally sub-categorize by type of object, area they are from etc. You will very very rarely hear museum people talk about "our collections" rather than "our collection". If, like me, you work a lot in this area, including categories, it is a complete pain to have to keep experimenting to see which form is used by us. Johnbod (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnbod, that sounds like an argument against the proposal to make everything match. The British Library has many collections, so it should stay at Category:British Library collections (in the plural), and museums that only have one collection should use the singular. Do you really want Category:British Library collections to be renamed to the singular? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, for consistency, which is important here. Alternatively the intermediate Category:British Library collections could just be cut out, and the 15 named collection sub-cats just come off the main BL category. But that will rather mess up parent categories like, in this case Category:Manuscripts by collection. Johnbod (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I intend to look at library collections in another nomination. With museums that could be said to have multiple collections, it's better to subdivide by object type and/or the geographical area where the objects are from, rather than by discrete sub-collection, and for the most part that's what we do. There is the added complication of several museums having multiple locations, and that is something that does show up in categorization. But we don't tend to have the equivalent of Category:Burney Collection and Category:Harleian Collection within Category:British Library collections for museums. Ham II (talk) 09:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnbod, that sounds like an argument against the proposal to make everything match. The British Library has many collections, so it should stay at Category:British Library collections (in the plural), and museums that only have one collection should use the singular. Do you really want Category:British Library collections to be renamed to the singular? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, will take Johnbod's word for this when it comes to museum information. I personally use 'collection' when discussing Wikipedia ("Wikipedia's spaceflight collection", etc.) but that's a personal choice. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- support like Johnbod, i'm confused about the opposition here. his argument makes sense to me. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 07:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: It would be clearer (and more in-line with usual category naming schemes) to have these categories titled as Category:
ItemsObjects in the collection of Foo Museum. But I'm not sure it's a net benefit with the increased wordiness. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC), 12:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Category:Items of Foo Museum suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Objects" is the correct term, used by museums themselves. "Items" is actually a good deal less clear and adds nothing. Johnbod (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction. I'm not familiar with the exact wording, but you probably get my intent. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: what is your opinion about Category:Objects of Foo Museum? It seems to me that most articles are about an object rather than about a collection. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly they mostly are (though again, the British Library has some about actual collections), but I don't really see the need. "Collection of ..." seems very readily comprehensible. Johnbod (talk) 15:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- If we were to go with "Objects" it should be "Objects in the Foo Museum", not "Objects of the Foo Museum", for consistency with subcategories; "Paintings of", "Drawings of" and "Photographs of" would sound like depictions of the buildings.
I don't think "Objects" is ideal for art collections. "Collection(s)" is more all-encompassing; we just need to pick a side on the question of singular versus plural. It's the categories, rather than the articles, that are about a collection – which is an argument for "Collection" being in the singular in each category name. Ham II (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: what is your opinion about Category:Objects of Foo Museum? It seems to me that most articles are about an object rather than about a collection. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction. I'm not familiar with the exact wording, but you probably get my intent. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Objects" is the correct term, used by museums themselves. "Items" is actually a good deal less clear and adds nothing. Johnbod (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion on the objects suggestion would be helpful.
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- 'Collection', per Ham. Museums collect and build collections, and then they either display the diverse works and objects collected or store them. Works differ from objects in important ways, although both are included in institutional collections. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. For what its worth I'm also a museum professional and frequently talk about the Collections in plural, in a situation where the term refers to all the things in museum institution. I can see a situation where where there is a subcategory of the above naming e..g 'Archaeology collection of...' or 'Natural Sciences collection of...' where the singular makes more sense. But for these broad, high level categories I prefer plural. Personal take. Zakhx150 (talk) 10:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Came here from aforementioned notification (thank you!). I don't think this is a situation where it can be standardized because the situation of the Met or the British Museum is very different to that of a small museum with one collection. The collections are within the broader collection, yes, but purely singular won't work if there isn't the option for both. Star Mississippi 13:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the response. If one can say "the collections are within the broader collection" then collection in the singular is acceptable, though. The Met's webpage for searching its holdings is titled "The Met Collection" and the British Museum's is titled "Explore the collection". It would seem that purely singular is viable for both larger and smaller institutions, and purely plural works less well for the smaller ones. Ham II (talk) 14:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Kingdom Hearts original characters
edit- Propose merging Category:Kingdom Hearts original characters to Category:Kingdom Hearts characters
- Nominator's rationale: Over 100 characters from various animated Disney movies, were removed from "Kingdom Hearts characters" about 1 or 2 years ago, also that category contains only 1 article. Also, we have to add an explanation to that category after the merge, since then it would only be for original characters. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be a reverse merge, for clarification that it is about original characters only? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge per Marcocapelle. If the category is intended to exclude non-original characters like the nominator says then keeping "original" in the title would better accomplish that notice of exclusion than any explanation in the category page that editors may not even see. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge per Marcocapelle. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge Per others, it makes more sense to specify it is only for characters created specifically for the series. That said, in order to preserve the history, the "original characters" category should be deleted first, and the older one moved to the new name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Kingdom Hearts characters.
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Category:1370 in Brussels
edit- Propose merging Category:1370 in Brussels to Category:History of Brussels and Category:1370 in Europe
- Propose merging Category:1511 in Brussels to Category:History of Brussels and Category:1511 in the Holy Roman Empire
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article categories, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Support per nom. Johnbod (talk) 03:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century feminists
edit- Nominator's rationale: There is no need to have an intersection between political orientation and century. Mason (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support, I presume that early feminists are mostly in Category:Suffragists or belong there. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Feminist ideologies have evolved significantly across different centuries; therefore, the intersection between feminism and century is crucial. - The9Man (Talk) 07:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- But how is the century*ideology defining at the intersection ? Are people defined by being 19th-century feminists? This is the only category by century. I think an alternative name could be viable, but I don't see how this underpopulated category Category:19th-century feminists (10) is helpful.Mason (talk) 13:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as a defining characteristic of the individuals named. One reason there are so few is that the social cost of being an overall true feminist in the 1800s, and not only those who supported the vote, was substantial. Rarity does not mean it isn't a viable topic, just the opposite. That same rarity makes these individuals even more unique in their approach and support of their fellow women. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one is saying rarity is not defining. I don't think having an isolated category is helpful here. How would the keeps feel about an alternative name that doesn't include century? Like Early feminists or premodern feminists? Mason (talk) 04:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Early or premodern are rather ambiguous concepts though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I just added another entry, this is a defining category. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but @Randy Kryn, do you have suggestions that could avoid using the term century? The challenge with 19th-century, is that is that there is only 1 century. The norm is to not create 20th or 21st century for activists, so an alternative name would be extremely helpful. Mason (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I just added another entry, this is a defining category. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one is saying rarity is not defining. I don't think having an isolated category is helpful here. How would the keeps feel about an alternative name that doesn't include century? Like Early feminists or premodern feminists? Mason (talk) 04:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. '19th-century' seems fine as a historical era-descriptor. The concept of 19th century feminists is interesting and descriptive. 18th century feminists may be a good essential category as well, tracking encyclopedically the "early" progress and social instinct of activist women such as Mary Wollstonecraft. 20th and 21st century would be a very full list, so they could be created or not. But 19th century notables, yes, it works on several levels. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Counts of Geneva
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete, the category consists of two very different sets of medieval ruling counts of Geneva, who are already in Category:House of Geneva and for early modern members of the House of Savoy for whom this was merely an empty title. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't believe the above summary to be quite right. Several members of the house of Savoy enjoyed practical control over the county and they are not going to be recorded in 'house of Geneva'. There is also the house of Thoire that controlled the county briefly in the late medieval period who presently lack articles but would be members of the category if they didn't. Moreover even after the city of Geneva slipped from their grasp (they maintained control of other parts of the county such as Annecy) the county remained prominent among their titulary (several of the sons of the dukes of Nemours were called the prince de Genevois until the death of their fathers) and is featured in the leading sentences of many of the articles. sovietblobfish (talk) 08:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do agree some form of re-allocation needs to happen from Jacques on down. Especially given the county was raised to a duchy by the duke of Savoy in 1564. Perhaps they should be migrated to a category called something like 'Prince de Genevois' or 'Prince of the Genevois'. sovietblobfish (talk) 08:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Of course members of the house of Savoy enjoyed practical control over the county because it was part of the Savoyard state and the rulers of the latter were the ones enjoying practical control. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- At times yes, however the county (-1564 duchy) was under the authority of the cadet branch Savoie-Nemours for the majority of the 16th century and parts of the 17th century, and they were primarily French princes.
- Irrespective of whether they or the dukes of Savoy enjoyed practical control, this surely challenges the notion that it was an 'empty title' and it is therefore meaningful to keep it. sovietblobfish (talk) 12:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Of course members of the house of Savoy enjoyed practical control over the county because it was part of the Savoyard state and the rulers of the latter were the ones enjoying practical control. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do agree some form of re-allocation needs to happen from Jacques on down. Especially given the county was raised to a duchy by the duke of Savoy in 1564. Perhaps they should be migrated to a category called something like 'Prince de Genevois' or 'Prince of the Genevois'. sovietblobfish (talk) 08:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't believe the above summary to be quite right. Several members of the house of Savoy enjoyed practical control over the county and they are not going to be recorded in 'house of Geneva'. There is also the house of Thoire that controlled the county briefly in the late medieval period who presently lack articles but would be members of the category if they didn't. Moreover even after the city of Geneva slipped from their grasp (they maintained control of other parts of the county such as Annecy) the county remained prominent among their titulary (several of the sons of the dukes of Nemours were called the prince de Genevois until the death of their fathers) and is featured in the leading sentences of many of the articles. sovietblobfish (talk) 08:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Villains in mythology and legend
edit- Nominator's rationale: As far as I know, "villain" is usually used in a literary context. We typically use "evil" to describe malevolent gods and there is already such a category called Category:Evil deities, making this redundant and pointless. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This category is not restricted to gods or goddesses. This is supposed to be a counterpart to Category:Heroes in mythology and legend, and just as there are plenty of folklore heroes, there are folklore villains too. AHI-3000 (talk) 07:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, demons are deities too (deities is broader than just gods and goddesses) and that leaves only one article in the category. That article illustrates nicely how difficult it is to classify a character as villain. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that demons are typically classified as being "deities" or "gods". Deities and demons can both be spirits though. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think of this? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, in folklore there are several folk devils that can be covered. Dimadick (talk) 08:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- That should become part of Category:Devils which is already in this category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, in folklore there are several folk devils that can be covered. Dimadick (talk) 08:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that demons are typically classified as being "deities" or "gods". Deities and demons can both be spirits though. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep (oppose), as the old saying goes, not all mythological villains are evil gods but all mythological evil gods are villains. In other words, villains and gods do not necessarily travel in the same boat (Much ado about godding?). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and rename Category:Villains in folklore – There is room for expansion with characters from myths and folktales, e.g. Sheriff of Nottingham, that may or may not be in other villain categories. We use folklore as a broader term that also encompasses mythology and legends. MClay1 (talk) 04:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Decades in the Colony of Virginia
edit- Propose merging Category:Decades in the Colony of Virginia to Category:Decades in Virginia
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant categoey lay Mason (talk) 03:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- It could be populated and turned into a subcategory of Category:Colony of Virginia. Most of all, parent Category:History of the Colony of Virginia is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and add all relevant decade categories (1600s to 1770s). The Colony of Virginia and Virginia are not the same entity and should not be mixed up in the same category just because they have a similar them. The issue is with the year categories that aren't correctly named and thus the template {{YYY0s in one of the Thirteen Colonies}} isn't auto-populating these categories. Gonnym (talk) 15:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- See Category:Decades in the Massachusetts Bay Colony for how this should be correctly handled. Gonnym (talk) 15:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and add all relevant decade categories (1600s to 1770s). The Colony of Virginia and Virginia are not the same entity and should not be mixed up in the same category just because they have a similar them. The issue is with the year categories that aren't correctly named and thus the template {{YYY0s in one of the Thirteen Colonies}} isn't auto-populating these categories. Gonnym (talk) 15:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Yes that isn't an issue. Ping me if this closes with that result. Gonnym (talk) 06:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- If Gonnym or someone else is willing to fix the template, I'm fine with keeping the category. Mason (talk) 23:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes that isn't an issue. Ping me if this closes with that result. Gonnym (talk) 06:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is @Gonnym willing to fix the template? Mason (talk) 04:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Irish blind musicians
edit- Propose merging Category:Irish blind musicians to Category:Blind musicians and Category:Irish blind people
- Propose merging Category:Irish blind harpists to Category:Irish blind musicians
- Nominator's rationale: Only nationality category in Category:Blind musicians. Seems like an unnecessary intersection between nationality, musicians, and disability. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lean Oppose. I agree that the 3x intersection isn't really defining (although there is a section decided to Irish blind musicians Blind musicians#Traditional Irish musicians). However, the parent category is large enough to be diffused by nationality.Mason (talk) 13:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will note that item 2 in the proposal is to merge the harpists category into the musicians category, but item 1 is to merge the musicians category elsewhere.
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Category:British companies established in 1706
edit- Nominator's rationale:
Template:British companies established in the year only works for companies established after the creation of the Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707
* Pppery * it has begun... 00:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the Kingdom of Great Britain started in 1707. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Biological literature by Janet Frost
edit- Nominator's rationale: Categories contain two non-notable dissertations that are going to soon be deleted. User who created these has been also indeffed for multiple reasons, including COI and hoax creation. Sgubaldo (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the first two for sure. Categories that are going to be empty and won't be filled again? Get rid of 'em. The third could perhaps include categories that are actually populated, like Category:Works by Charles Darwin, Category:Works by Isaac Newton, etc. The name feels awkward, however. XOR'easter (talk) 00:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles are already in Category:Biology papers, that should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is an incomplete nomination. Two of the categories aren't even tagged with a CFD tag and Category:Biological literature by Janet Frost is an empty category. Sgubaldo can you tag all of the categories involved in this nomination? Liz Read! Talk! 22:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz, Category:Biological literature by Janet Frost is empty because the two articles that populated it have now been deleted. Apologies for the incomplete nomination, this was my first time at CfD. I've tagged the other two categories. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. Every deletion area on Wikipedia has its own rules and quirks. You won't find me at WP:TFD! Liz Read! Talk! 00:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
July 23
editCategory:1961 in Sri Lanka
edit- Nominator's rationale: empty category duplicate of Category:1961 in Ceylon Robby (talk) 21:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator has emptied this category. Could have been CSD C1'd. Liz Read! Talk! 00:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Sri Lanka was not known as Sri Lanka until 1972. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Records of prime ministers
edit- Nominator's rationale: No such category tree. Gjs238 (talk) 12:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I just added a category.Muaza Husni (talk) 13:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Interlink the two articles directly, e.g. in a See also section, then delete the category. Between two articles, direct interlinking is much easier than using categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Regardless of interlinking, both articles are in country-specific subcategories of Category:Records (superlatives). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Interlinking is done. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Roman Catholic church buildings in Turkey
edit- Propose deleting Category:15th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Turkey (1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:17th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Turkey (3 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Roman Catholic churches in Adana (1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Roman Catholic churches in Ankara (1 P)
- Propose deleting Category:Roman Catholic churches in İskenderun (1 P)
- Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Karşıyaka (1 P) to Category:Buildings and structures in İzmir Province
- Propose deleting Category:Roman Catholic churches in Mersin (1 P)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly single-article categories, which is not helpful for navigation. All Roman Catholic churches in Turkey are either from the 19th or 20th century, or in Istanbul or Izmir, or both. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:6th-century soldiers
edit- Propose merging Category:6th-century soldiers to Category:Medieval soldiers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Isolated category that's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 05:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge but to Category:6th-century military personnel instead. Making a distinction between having been an officer or a soldier based on this article is speculative (and to me it seems more likely that as a crown prince he will have been an officer rather than a soldier). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:People executed by British North America by hanging
edit- Propose renaming Category:People executed by British North America by hanging to Category:People executed in British North America by hanging.
- Nominator's rationale: There was no central government of British North America; it was a collection of British colonies. The use of "by" suggests that the individual was hanged by the government of British North America. Changing it to "in" leaves it open which colonial government in BNA was responsible for the hanging. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:ISO/IEC 27000-series
edit- Propose renaming Category:ISO/IEC 27000-series to Category:ISO/IEC 27000 family
- Nominator's rationale: CfR to match main article title. 'family' is used by ISO. See edit summary. Tule-hog (talk) 01:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
July 22
editCategory:Military personnel of the Middle Ages
edit- Propose renaming Category:Military personnel of the Middle Ages to Category:Medieval military personnel
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this to be consistent with other Medieval occupations. Notably all the child categories are Medieval FOO military personnel Mason (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2C. The siblings are in "medieval" format too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per above. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 04:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional people from the Austro-Hungarian empire
edit- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. I think there's no need to have a category with a single person in it. If not deleted, I think we should rename it to match the parent Category:People from Austria-Hungary Mason (talk) 23:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now per nom. The article is also in Category:Fictional soldiers, there is no need to merge somewhere else in the fictional characters tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional Alta California people
edit- Nominator's rationale: Single category member, and not corresponding Category:Alta California people Mason (talk) 23:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now per nom. The article is also in Category:Fictional Mexican people, there is no need to merge somewhere else in the fictional characters tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:1974 disasters in Mozambique
edit- Propose merging Category:1974 disasters in Mozambique to Category:1974 in Mozambique and Category:1974 disasters in Africa
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated category, the next is for the year 2000. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century British biblical scholars
edit- Nominator's rationale: isolated underpopulated categories. I don't think that we need to diffused at the intersection of nationality and century Mason (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Austria with only one article and the subject was no longer living in Austria when becoming a biblical scholar. Neutral about the British one. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Untagged categories from the Portuguese Mozambique CfDs
edit- Propose merging Category:1963 in Mozambique (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1960s in Mozambique, Category:1963 in Africa, and Category:1963 in the Portuguese Empire
- Propose merging Category:1966 in Mozambique (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1960s in Mozambique, Category:1966 in Africa, and Category:1966 in the Portuguese Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination of two categories which were discussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 13#Years in (Portuguese) Mozambique but were never tagged. I have no opinion on whether this is a good idea or not; pinging @Marcocapelle and Fayenatic london: who participated in that discussion. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge regardless of the tagging oversight, linking to the previous discussion target than this one. All the empty siblings in Category:Years of the 20th century in Mozambique should be speedily deleted under G6, leaving links to that discussion; they have currently been tagged under C1 by User:Liz. – Fayenatic London 22:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I have now done the latter. – Fayenatic London 20:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Infobox road transclusions without route marker
edit- Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem to be used anymore as I can't find it in actual template or module code. Gonnym (talk) 17:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comments: I don't even remember making this category anymore, or even if I was just trying to fill in a red-category. It looks like something I was creating for the administrators to help them sort out some broken road related templates. Perhaps a soft redirect to Category:Jct template errors might suffice in the event of an increase in the number of routeboxes transclusions without route numbers turns up again. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Protected area articles requiring maintenance
edit- Nominator's rationale: Not used anymore by Template:Infobox protected area. Gonnym (talk) 17:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Articles using Infobox medical condition using locally defined parameters
edit- Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem to be in use anymore as I can't find it in Template:Infobox medical condition or linked to from anywhere. Gonnym (talk) 16:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It's automatically added through WikidataIB when a local parameter is set, see e.g., Category:Articles using Infobox artwork/wikidata using locally defined parameters for a more populated category. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pages using Infobox boxer (amateur) with conflicting parameters
edit- Nominator's rationale: Not used as Category:Pages using infobox boxer (amateur) with conflicting parameters (lowercase i) is used. Gonnym (talk) 16:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep -- I think Gonnym may be misinterpreting the template code. Because
|template_name=Infobox boxer (amateur)
(capitalized) is passed to {{Infobox person}}, Category:Pages using Infobox boxer (amateur) with conflicting parameters (capitalized) is used and Category:Pages using infobox boxer (amateur) with conflicting parameters (lower case) is unused. I would delete the latter. Alternatively, we could change the template code, but then we'll need to create Category:Pages using infobox boxer (amateur) with unknown parameters. Either choice is fine with me. — hike395 (talk) 05:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)- Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I don't care which is used, but it was confusing seeing these two with the difference being the I. Gonnym (talk) 07:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why don't we close this CfD and open one for Category:Pages using infobox boxer (amateur) with conflicting parameters (lowercase) ? — hike395 (talk) 14:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I don't care which is used, but it was confusing seeing these two with the difference being the I. Gonnym (talk) 07:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep -- I think Gonnym may be misinterpreting the template code. Because
Category:Pages using infobox Australian place with non-lga type and suppressed location map
edit- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per author request. ✗plicit 23:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem to be in use anymore at Template:Infobox Australian place. Gonnym (talk) 16:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete, I tagged it db-author. Frietjes (talk) 16:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Glacier articles requiring maintenance
edit- Nominator's rationale: Unclear where this was used as it isn't linked to from anywhere. Gonnym (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian Statistical Geography Standard 2016 ID template with no id set
edit- Nominator's rationale: Does not seem to be added by Template:Census 2016 AUS as I couldn't find it in code or docs. Gonnym (talk) 16:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian Statistical Geography Standard 2011 ID template with no id set
edit- Nominator's rationale: Does not seem to be added by Template:Census 2011 AUS as I couldn't find it in code or docs. Gonnym (talk) 16:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Second ladies and gentlemen of the United States
edit- Nominator's rationale: 1) Rename to match categories in Category:Spouses of United States state governors and article too. 2) Merge Category:Second gentlemen of the United States with Category:Second ladies of the United States AFTER it has been renamed. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge and rename. Can see no reason to have a separate category for one individual who has done the role. As well as bringing the category in line with those for state governors' spouses, it would also bring it in line with international examples such as Category:Spouses of chancellors of Germany or Category:Spouses of prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Mgp28 (talk) 13:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge and rename. Eventually this category might be populated enough to justify two child categories, but not yet. Mason (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge and rename as there is only one second gentleman. IT is in line with many state cats that include "first/second ladies and gentlemen". cookie monster 755 17:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Television episodes written by Michael Ferris
edit- Nominator's rationale: Michael Ferris is a disambiguation page. Gonnym (talk) 09:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per C2B. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of the foreign relations of Estonia
edit- Nominator's rationale: Due to the article Ukraine Compact, user:Stickhandler has massively created one-member cats. To be upmerged to e.g. "Category:Foreign relations of Foo country" Estopedist1 (talk) 06:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Affected are:
Category:History of the foreign relations of the United States- Category:History of the foreign relations of Belgium
Category:History of the foreign relations of Canada- Category:History of the foreign relations of Denmark
- Category:History of the foreign relations of Estonia
- Category:History of the foreign relations of Finland
Category:History of the foreign relations of FranceCategory:History of the foreign relations of Germany- Category:History of the foreign relations of Iceland
- Category:History of the foreign relations of Italy
Category:History of the foreign relations of Japan- Category:History of the foreign relations of Latvia
- Category:History of the foreign relations of Lithuania
- Category:History of the foreign relations of Luxembourg
- Category:History of the foreign relations of the Netherlands
- Category:History of the foreign relations of Norway
Category:History of the foreign relations of PolandCategory:History of the foreign relations of PortugalCategory:History of the foreign relations of Romania- Category:History of the foreign relations of Spain
- Category:History of the foreign relations of Sweden
Category:History of the foreign relations of the United Kingdom
--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Purge article from all categories above (including the stricken ones), this will empty the non-stricken categories so that they can be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central Greece
edit- Propose splitting Category:Central Greece to Category:Central Greece (region) and Category:Central Greece (geographic region)
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (region) – modern times (after 1987)
- Main article: Central Greece (region)
- Other articles: Template:Central Greece, Decentralized Administration of Thessaly and Central Greece
- Child categories: Category:Buildings and structures in Central Greece, Category:Culture in Central Greece (but re-parent Category:Archaeological discoveries in Central Greece to Category:Central Greece (geographic region)), Category:Geography of Central Greece, Category:Organizations based in Central Greece, Category:People from Central Greece, Category:Sport in Central Greece, Category:Tourist attractions in Central Greece, Category:Transport in Central Greece, Category:Central Greece geography stubs.
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (region) – modern times (after 1987)
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (geographic region) – history (before 1987)
- Main article: Central Greece (geographic region)
- Other articles: Attica, Phocis and Locris Prefecture.
- Child categories: Category:History of Central Greece, Category:Archaeological discoveries in Central Greece.
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (geographic region) – history (before 1987)
- Propose purging Attica (region).
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. Central Greece (region) is the modern administrative region (Περιφέρεια perifereia) established in 1987. Central Greece (geographic region) is the historic geographical region (γεωγραφικό διαμέρισμα geografiko diamerisma) abolished in 1987. I have WP:BOLDly renamed Central Greece (an WP:UNSOURCED article) to Central Greece (geographic region), and turned Central Greece into a DP, hoping to clarify the situation. Splitting the category is the next logical step. Child categories can be renamed if so desired per WP:C2C once this split is approved. NLeeuw (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- This sounds like a too complex solution for a not so complex problem. I think we should just remove Attica from Category:History of Central Greece and every of its subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is too simplistic a solution for a complex problem. I'll illustrate the problem with maps:
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Central Greece (region), after 1987
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Central Greece (geographic region), before 1987
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Geographic regions of Greece, before 1987
- If we want this category to be only about the modern administrative region (perifereia) of Central Greece, it's not just about removing Attica, it is also removing parts of Western Greece, removing the northeast coast of the Pelopponese (or not?), removing Kythira (or not?), but adding Skyros (or not?), and so on. NLeeuw (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough to remove those too. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- If we want this category to be only about the modern administrative region (perifereia) of Central Greece, it's not just about removing Attica, it is also removing parts of Western Greece, removing the northeast coast of the Pelopponese (or not?), removing Kythira (or not?), but adding Skyros (or not?), and so on. NLeeuw (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment I nominated grandchild Category:Battles in Central Greece for renaming to Category:Military history of Central Greece. Under my current splitting proposal, that renaming proposal remains unaffected. But if we want to avoid the Lorraine problem, as in previous "Battles in" discussions, it might have to be renamed to Category:Military history of Central Greece (region) later on. My splitting proposal was designed mostly to solve that potential Lorraine problem ahead of time, but I guess it doesn't really matter, as we can always C2C it later. NLeeuw (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)- Marcocapelle, Nederlandse Leeuw, do you have a compromise here? — Qwerfjkltalk 19:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure Marcocapelle understood what I was proposing, and why. I was hoping for others to weigh in, but nobody else seems to care. NLeeuw (talk) 19:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: the proposal is to create a category for the former definition of Central Greece, next to a category of the current definition of Central Greece. I think that this is just confusing. We do not usually split geography categories by former borders. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the category for the former definition of Central Greece contains purely historical contents, to which the modern definition would not apply. NLeeuw (talk) 03:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: the proposal is to create a category for the former definition of Central Greece, next to a category of the current definition of Central Greece. I think that this is just confusing. We do not usually split geography categories by former borders. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure Marcocapelle understood what I was proposing, and why. I was hoping for others to weigh in, but nobody else seems to care. NLeeuw (talk) 19:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clear old CfD log page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional robbers
edit- Propose merging Category:Fictional robbers to Category:Fictional thieves
- Propose merging Category:Fictional female robbers to Category:Fictional female thieves
- Nominator's rationale: There is very little to distinguish thieves from robbers, both of which have the exact same connotation with one being a subgroup of the other. Given the huge overlap, given that many fictional thieves also engage in robbery, this newly created category should be merged back as overcategorization. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Merge and redirect. I have added the subcat for females to this nomination, as it would made no sense to keep that without this parent. – Fayenatic London 12:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: People should also add their opinion on Category:Fictional pirates and Category:Fictional female pirates being a subcategory. It formerly wasn't, because... duh, but AHI added the parent category. Needless to say, pirates are not always thieves and any pirates who are also thieves should be added to both categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- The same applies to Category:Pirates. The article Piracy starts "Piracy is an act of robbery…" so I think the sub-catting must continue. – Fayenatic London 17:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: fictional pirates may be heroes rather than thieves. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Real life pirates likewise may be viewed as heroes and thieves by different people. Francis Drake is a hero to English kids but un pirata to Spaniards. But if they take property from others without consent, it's correct to place them within the hierarchy of Theft. – Fayenatic London 08:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: fictional pirates may be heroes rather than thieves. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The same applies to Category:Pirates. The article Piracy starts "Piracy is an act of robbery…" so I think the sub-catting must continue. – Fayenatic London 17:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: People should also add their opinion on Category:Fictional pirates and Category:Fictional female pirates being a subcategory. It formerly wasn't, because... duh, but AHI added the parent category. Needless to say, pirates are not always thieves and any pirates who are also thieves should be added to both categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, inclusion of bandits may be even more questionable than pirates. I do not have an opinion about the merge itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Banditry is within Robbery – both conceptually and by current categorisation – so I don't understand the objections here. – Fayenatic London 08:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: I think that banditry should be above robbery and murder. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree, and don't understand why you would think that. Most murderers are not bandits. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: I think that banditry should be above robbery and murder. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Banditry is within Robbery – both conceptually and by current categorisation – so I don't understand the objections here. – Fayenatic London 08:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but containerize, that will take away the overlap too, while the tree in fiction still mirrors the real life tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would not object to keeping it, but see no point in containerising it. The mugger Joe Chill has been added, which is helpful, as he is plainly a robber. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Marco, but disagree about containerizing. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Scottish noblewomen
edit- Propose renaming Category:Scottish noblewomen to Category:Scottish women by rank
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename and purge this category to mirror British women by rank and English women by rank Mason (talk) 16:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- This would be inconsistent with parent Category:Scottish nobility. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- But there's no other noblewomen categories Mason (talk) 03:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be curious to know why not. If existing I probably wouldn't consider nominating Category:Noblewomen for renaming or merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If there was a whole tree I'd be in support of keeping it. But it seems to me that in isolation we should at least have it mirror the existing categories. Mason (talk) 23:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be curious to know why not. If existing I probably wouldn't consider nominating Category:Noblewomen for renaming or merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- But there's no other noblewomen categories Mason (talk) 03:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- There appears to be Category:Women nobility. Suggest renaming the English and Scottish category to mirror that one. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Artists from New Spain
edit- Nominator's rationale: Non of the people in here are described as being New Spanish. I think that this kind of category could work as a parent/container category, but I don't see how it's helpful to bundle such disparate people together Mason (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- They do not seem very disparate, most of them lived not too far from Mexico City, the capital of New Spain. And even if they would live far away from the capital, is that a problem? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- New Spain is such a broad area over a huge period of time. Wouldn't it make more sense to have this as a parent category for Category:16th-century Mexican artists etc instead? Mason (talk) 03:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Russia is a big country too and it has existed for a long time too. Is that a problem? Of course I wouldn't object to subcategories based on administrative subdivisions, but I am not sure if Mexico was one. At least there were the Captaincy General of Guatemala, the Captaincy General of Yucatán, and the three big Caribbean islands each were their own captaincy general. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- New Spain is such a broad area over a huge period of time. Wouldn't it make more sense to have this as a parent category for Category:16th-century Mexican artists etc instead? Mason (talk) 03:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- They do not seem very disparate, most of them lived not too far from Mexico City, the capital of New Spain. And even if they would live far away from the capital, is that a problem? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:American high school teachers
edit- Propose merging Category:American high school teachers to Category:American schoolteachers
- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse by level of educator? Do we have middle school, elementary school? This just doesn't need to be very defining Mason (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- If merged then disperse in the tree of Category:American schoolteachers by state or territory. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep education varies significantly depending on the level one teaches. Secondary education is different from primary education. Moreover, this is a subcategory Category:Secondary education in the United States, the existence of which demonstrates the differences.--User:Namiba 12:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Land agents
edit- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 22:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created category containing 1 eponymous article and 1 "land agent" Gjs238 (talk) 01:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. The "what links here" feature suffices for now.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I struck my vote after below comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. @Gjs238:, @Marcocapelle:. I added a few more land agents from articles which already used the "land agent" phrase, and added some categories. LeapTorchGear (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw proposal after content addition. Many thanks to LeapTorchGear! Gjs238 (talk) 21:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Los Angeles Knight Riders
edit- Nominator's rationale: Newly created category containing 1 article. Gjs238 (talk) 01:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per C2F. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There's no article attached in that category Wowlastic10 (talk) 03:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per C2F. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Comparative theology
edit- Nominator's rationale: Newly created category containing 1 article. Gjs238 (talk) 01:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the article is already in Category:Comparative religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:1805 in Germany
edit- Propose merging Category:1805 in Germany to Category:1805 in the Holy Roman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1805 establishments in Germany to Category:1805 establishments in the Holy Roman Empire
- Nominator's rationale: merge similar to all years up to 1804. The Holy Roman Empire was disestablished in 1806. It is a bit confusing because the Austrian Empire was established two years earlier, in 1804. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:1805 establishments in Germany.
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Category:Pages using new version of Template EstcatCountry
edit- Nominator's rationale: No longer necessary: all pages use the new version of {{EstcatCountry}}. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Category:Pages using old version of Template EstcatCountry was speedy deleted per G8 in September 2023. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
NCAA University and College Divisions, 1956 to 1961
edit- Propose merging Category:1956 NCAA University Division football season to Category:1956 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1957 NCAA University Division football season to Category:1957 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1958 NCAA University Division football season to Category:1958 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1959 NCAA University Division football season to Category:1959 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1960 NCAA University Division football season to Category:1960 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1961 NCAA University Division football season to Category:1961 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1956 NCAA College Division football season to Category:1956 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1957 NCAA College Division football season to Category:1957 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1958 NCAA College Division football season to Category:1958 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1959 NCAA College Division football season to Category:1959 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1960 NCAA College Division football season to Category:1960 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1961 NCAA College Division football season to Category:1961 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1956 NCAA University Division independents football season to Category:1956 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1957 NCAA University Division independents football season to Category:1957 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1958 NCAA University Division independents football season to Category:1958 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1959 NCAA University Division independents football season to Category:1959 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1960 NCAA University Division independents football season to Category:1960 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1961 NCAA University Division independents football season to Category:1961 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1956 NCAA College Division independents football season to Category:1956 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1957 NCAA College Division independents football season to Category:1957 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1958 NCAA College Division independents football season to Category:1958 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1959 NCAA College Division independents football season to Category:1959 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1960 NCAA College Division independents football season to Category:1960 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1961 NCAA College Division independents football season to Category:1961 college football season
- Propose merging Category:1956 NCAA University Division football standings templates to Category:1956 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1957 NCAA University Division football standings templates to Category:1957 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1958 NCAA University Division football standings templates to Category:1958 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1959 NCAA University Division football standings templates to Category:1959 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1960 NCAA University Division football standings templates to Category:1960 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1961 NCAA University Division football standings templates to Category:1961 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1956 NCAA College Division football standings templates to Category:1956 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1957 NCAA College Division football standings templates to Category:1957 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1958 NCAA College Division football standings templates to Category:1958 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1959 NCAA College Division football standings templates to Category:1959 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1960 NCAA College Division football standings templates to Category:1960 college football standings templates
- Propose merging Category:1961 NCAA College Division football standings templates to Category:1961 college football standings templates
- Nominator's rationale: Per recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 27#1956 NCAA College Division football season, research determined that the NCAA University Division and NCAA College Division were not applied to football until 1962. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Duchy of Lucca year categories
edit- Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Duchy of Lucca (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Duchy of Lucca by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1820s establishments in the Duchy of Lucca (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1840s establishments in the Duchy of Lucca (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1826 in the Duchy of Lucca (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1846 in the Duchy of Lucca (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:1826 establishments in the Duchy of Lucca (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1826 establishments in Italy
- Propose merging Category:1846 establishments in the Duchy of Lucca (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1846 establishments in Italy
- Nominator's rationale: Massive tree for two articles (Lucca railway station and Luccan lira) which is unhelpful for navigation. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The Duchy of Lucca was a small Italian state that existed from 1815 to 1847. Both articles are in other appropriate establishment and Lucca-related subcategories than the ones included here. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Duchy of Lucca. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also support the dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 17:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Older discussions
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