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Flags of counties of the United States

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The result was delete. Modussiccandi (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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personal squabbles should go on a talk page somewhere, not continue here after the AFD is closed
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There are sources, as my beginning improvements to the Michigan section suggests. This is part of a larger effort to denude flag articles around the world. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag lists that should have been on Commons 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

  • How dishonest a take. This is an effort to remove content which does not belong on Wikipedia (mostly because it already is, in the almost exact same form, on Commons, and Wikipedia is not Commons?), not one which seeks to "denude flag articles" without reason. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
RandomCanadian It is a fact. Your distinction doesn't change the problem. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag lists that should have been on Commons The link speaks for itself. Your gratuitous and unwarranted canvassed claim at the deletion page is b.s. I have no illusions that this posting will change the outcome. No one showed up. But you can spread your poison. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:42, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Claiming that 6 or 7 (or 11, as is the case of the latest article you link) persons is "no one showed up" seems rather baffling. There are plenty of articles which get deleted (or kept) with less participation. You don't need a whole army battalion to !vote on each and every AfD. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
No one from WP:ARS showed up after my posting.

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

But you have made up your mind. Dona nobis pacem indeed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
The fact nobody showed up doesn't change the fact it was a bad idea to begin with. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
No one from WP:ARS. (Except sleepy amphibian, who hangs out at ARS, and showed up to vote delete). Misquote and misunderstand. Deliberately or not. 'Dona nobis pacem indeed.
WP:COAL and WP:Dead horse for your reading pleasure. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
AfDs are discussions, not votes, so it makes perfect sense to engage in some back-and-forth (particularly when there are some sources presented to support "what this article could become"), and suggesting against that is not very productive (in addition to being very much not how nearly every discussion, particularly if it is controversial [those generally include lots of back and forth], turns out: and if some essay/whatever doesn't match with a widespread practice, in nearly all cases, beyond the WP:NOTPOLICY issue, it is the essay which needs changing, not the practice). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
I would get behind delete as most of the articles are newly created and no information was lost in the migration - who cares where ti lives so long as it does. But when people assert ARS is a canvassing board... I follow this board and regularly vote any darn way I want, just like sleepy amphibian who voted delete. My participate in these AfDs is withheld due to the bad faith accusations. -- GreenC 20:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you RandomCanadian for bringing attention to this. I agree, the way that this has been listed at ARS points to WP:CANVASSING.

    7&6=thirteen, an unsuccessful attempt at canvassing is still canvassing. Also your claim that no-one showed up at AfD after your posting is incorrect.

    The reply to RandomCanadian where you say "but you can spread your poison" is WP:UNCIVIL and a terrible way to speak to other Wiki volunteers. And then in the more recent message, your personal comment of "Misquote and misunderstand. Deliberately or not." is not helpful to the discussion. Could you please withdraw these statements, so that we can have a respectful discussion without the unnecessary personal comments? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 12:10, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

  • Kindly assume good faith. There is no canvassing here. I was in that discussion making a comment, not a vote, on 28 April. 13 shows up on 1 May 2022 and post here. Dream Focus 12:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Turtles are reptiles, not amphibians. But, carry on. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:45, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you for setting the record straight :) Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
  • They vertebrates with backbones, y'know. All of that aside. In order for it to become an actual list, the flags needs to have a description, a date of adoption and in some cases, the name of the creator. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Dream Focus, I was not referring to your AfD comment from 28 April. The claim that no-one showed up is still incorrect.

    But the bigger concern is that Thirteen seems to be ignoring the request to withdraw the insults and accusations. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

  • So there is no question of an admission — adoption by failing to object — there were neither insults nor accusations.
There was no Canvassing, and the vote at the AFD was lopsidedly in favor of delete. I never denied that. This statement:

"Claiming that 6 or 7 (or 11, as is the case of the latest article you link) persons is "no one showed up" seems rather baffling. There are plenty of articles which get deleted (or kept) with less participation. You don't need a whole army battalion to !vote on each and every AfD."[1]

was an erroneous reading of what I said. Good faith mistake or deliberate misdirection, take your pick. It was wrong and unfair. (In that sense, the Canadian owes me a retraction.) I never questioned the number of the "vote" sufficiency, or the result. [I would even agree that if I had meant what Canadian claims, it would have been a nonsensical position.] This was misinformation on his part. Any claim to the contrary is wrong. My response obviously only related to the number of persons who are regular participants at ARS, and those who came after I posted the notice in this section here, which was contemporaneously noted at the AFD as ethically required.
Spreading lies and misinformation about WP:ARS was what I called out. I will not apologize for that. It was not a "personal attack".
The repeated and incessant claim doesn't add anything here; and you should consider the source and the reptilian history.[2] This page below and its history are replete with evidence. Make of it what you will. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I have always made clear how I respond to such WP:Trolling. See my user page. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
If you think an apology is in order, I submit it is you who should apologize to User:RandomCanadian. I think he owes me an apology for the "how dishonest" remark; I did not remonstrate for that, and ignored his disingenuous reading of text, which could be said to call his good faith in question. But nattering about other editors and their motives is unproductive.
I considered all this as 'finished business,' and I personally don't think continually dredging this up from the bottom of the lake serves any purpose. I would not have brought up the merits of my reply, but for your continued harassment. Unfortunately, you reap what you sow; and our Canadian editor gets the benefit. He has you to thank. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:03, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
7&6=thirteen, sorry you've lost me. Why is it that I should apologise to RandomCanadian?
It is sad to see that you will not retract your comments of "Misquote and misunderstand. Deliberately or not." and "But you can spread your poison". MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Deleted Per the closer: "The result was delete." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:00, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Deletion review? I am unsure what is going on there. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:18, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Which begat a Speedy close "No valid rationale for overturning the deletion has been provided, in fact, judging from the IPs other edits, they seem to support it, so..." per RandomCanadian 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:50, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Flags of counties of the United States 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Notes

  1. ^ I submit that RD brought to bear his admitted hostility and bias against WP:ARS, and presumably that colored his misreading of plain language, which he chose to misinterpret and take out of context that made the meaning clear to an unbiased reader. See here. As Alexander Pope wrote: in "An Essay on Criticism": "All seems infected that the infected spy, As all looks yellow to the jaundiced eye.""Jaundiced eye". Word Wise. Retrieved May 6, 2022.
  2. ^ With apologies to all the other uninvolved reptiles.
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Titus (dinosaur)

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The result was no consensus. Opinion is split between keep and merge to specimens of Tyrannosaurus.

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I have not added the find sources templates, as it seems somewhere between well sourced and over sourced. Currently over reliant on quotes, badly formatted, and a bit PROMO. CT55555 (talk) 20:36, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't ARS involved in a similar effort about a Tyranosaur specimen? Long ago, I think. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
There was an article for a Triceratops called Big John (dinosaur), which was nominated for deletion the day it was created and still be worked on, it tagged for rescue, then you did a lot of edits to it, as did others, and made it into a fully flushed out article. Dream Focus 05:48, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Both found in the Hell Creek Formation in Montana. -- GreenC 06:29, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
And Stan (dinosaur) which was merged with this skeleton to create the display. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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Doctor of Metaphysics

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The result was no consensus. The discussion has ran out of steam, and has started to descend into classic arguments to avoid. (No prejudice against nomination).

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Hello all, I saw some of the work your group has done. I thought this might be the right place to see if there is a chance to improve this article so that it can remain in main space. I originally thought it could be redirected. I find people referring to themselves as a "Doctor of Metaphysics" as far back as 1843.

Background: I started an article for Helen Hadsell and that is where I came across the title. I saw people calling themselves by the title over the course of 300 years. Bottom line is I want our readers to be able to find information on the topic. So I am here to see if there is any help you can give toward showing this is a notable subject. Thank you. Bruxton (talk) 21:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Fake degree primarily from Diploma mills. Notability is certainly disputable. I used Google Scholar to add some sources. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
I actually voted !delete. My reasons for that I've shared at AfD. I hope this does not discourage you from trying to improve articles or sharing others that could be improved. CT55555 (talk) 20:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Hypothetically, if it is redirected and merged, the content and the effort was worth it. WP:Preserve. And doing so might address the ethical conundrum. Win/win. So no worries. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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British silent horror

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The result was Move (ie. rename) to British horror cinema. Consensus to keep content has now been reached. To rename has stronger backing than keep or merge.

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What kind of research can we do to show that this is a relevant and or notable "sub-category". Apparently the horror genre may not have existed during the silent film era, so many films may have been mislabeled. Lightburst (talk) 16:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

  • Horror definitely existed during the silent film era. Nosferatu (1922), most famously. It's a matter of whether the above topic would more practically be covered in a Silent horror films article or a British horror films article, or something of those sorts. -Indy beetle (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Women_in_Yugoslavia

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Two articles in two months, this is a record for me, but this seems like an important article that is in desperate need of improvement. It was almost unsourced, but I found sources for some of the quotes at least. Tags suggest problems with neutral point of view, which I don't agree with, I think that might be more about some people's discomfort connecting feminism with socialism, but it is fair that it's tagged as an essay due to the absence of citations. I think it could be improved by adding in line citations, and more content, and different perspectives if there are any.

User:MrsSnoozyTurtle implied I had canvassed the dinosaur article AfD below, which has been bothering me since, I don't understand why that was said, if I'm doing something wrong in process here, please someone say. I'm usually just an observer here, have only flagged a few articles so no expert on process.... CT55555 (talk) 14:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello CT55555, thanks for taking on board my comment in the previous AfD. In the Women in Yugoslavia AfD you have abstained from !voting after posting it at ARS, so there is no concern here about WP:CANVASSING. Also, it is great to see the work you have put in to improve the article. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I actually voted to keep Women in Yugoslavia before seeking help to improve the article here. I'm also actually not sure of my !keep vote, I see some valid reasons to delete, so keep thinking about it. Nonetheless, I welcome your advice on if you think I did something wrong with regards to the dinosaur article? CT55555 (talk) 12:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, CT55555 and I apologise for putting the WP:CANVASSING template on the dinosaur discussion. Although I don't agree with the practice of both !voting keep and posting the article to ARS, it was unfair to single out someone who isn't familiar with the ARS history.
The Women in Yugoslavia article is indeed a tricky call. I've been mulling over it for a few days and am still conflicted about what the best thing to do here is. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:08, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Its not canvasing, some people just get confused. Try to ignore them. Dream Focus 18:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Dream Focus, why must you be so hurtful? What do you think I am confused about? If you think some people are confused, surely it is better to clear up their misunderstanding instead of belittling them? MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I and others have tried to explain this to you multiple times already. No matter what anyone tells you, you keep insisting on accusing us of canvassing. Dream Focus 10:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
To refresh my memory, could you post a link to one of the explanations please? MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Article_Rescue_Squadron_–_Rescue_list/Archive_3#Canvassing is one of the many places I and others have had to argue with you over this. If someone is participating in an AFD of course they should vote if they have an opinion on what to do with it, regardless of which of the many Wikiprojects they posted to ask help finding sources or otherwise editing it. Please stop beating a dead horse, as the saying goes. WP:DEADHORSE. Posting the same ridiculous accusation, trying to convince people not to vote in an AFD they asked for help in when everyone else says there is nothing wrong with that, repeating yourself constantly and harassing someone making them think they did something wrong, is not acceptable behavior. Dream Focus 08:30, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
To add, it clearly causes other people displeasure and distress. When done consistently it is a classic hallmark of hounding and pointy behavior. ARS-as-Canvassing is a personal opinion, shared by a vocal minority of naysayers, that does not have consensus. If you believe it does have consensus, can you post where that discussion took place, and why WP:DISCUSSAFD (at WP:AFD) the squadron is a recognized outlet. There are no rules, policies or guidelines that say people are not allowed to vote in AfD regardless of where else on Wikipedia they have posted notification. Merely posting at ARS is not canvassing for Keep votes anymore than Delete votes, as we often see happening. -- GreenC 14:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Dream Focus, that Talk Page shows a single reply to my comment, and then they didn't respond to any follow-up questions. To use it as evidence that I am "confused" about canvassing is quite misleading. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:40, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Putting in a rhetorical question (and a "?") does not entitle one to demand a response. See Sealioning. And Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing; also Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. Regards, 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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I improved it, I added inline citations. CT55555 (talk) 05:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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Busy work

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Some did work on this article last time it was nominated for deletion and tagged for help in on this Rescue list. Seems like a notable concept so some should be able to help find sources to review and improve it. Dream Focus 07:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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John Mason (schoolmaster)

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The previous AFD was on the Rescue list, and ended in keep. Such a generic name and most sources are from India. Does anyone want to help with this? @Milowent: found things that convinced people last time. Dream Focus 11:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

  • I see the nomination is now withdrawn, good work. It's amazing to see AfDs I worked on 10 or more years ago come back up occasionally!--Milowent • hasspoken 12:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep Per the closer: "{The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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List of dog fighting breeds

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(trimmed due to space constraints)...I would recommend that any future discussion begin by examining how to define the topic of this list in a way that avoids OR, and only then examining whether a list so defined is worth keeping (in any form: standalone list, prose article, subsection of Dog fighting, something else).

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A notable list which can be cited and improved? Lightburst (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Joanne Roberts

DELETE
The result was delete. This individual appears to be right on the knife edge of notability. Despite concerted efforts to stretch the definitions of WP:NACADEMIC to declare this individual notable, I find rough consensus here that she does not quite pass those requirements just yet.

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Learned person and economist. Currently the President of a college in Singapore. Lightburst (talk) 14:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

  • Deleted Per the closer: "The result was delete. This individual appears to be right on the knife edge of notability. Despite concerted efforts to stretch the definitions of WP:NACADEMIC to declare this individual notable, I find rough consensus here that she does not quite pass those requirements just yet." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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Anti-Life Equation

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Another article that in its previous AFD was tagged for help for the Rescue Article Squadron. Clicking the search link for reliable sources has a lot of results to sort through. Dream Focus 07:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn. Not yet closed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:25, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Kept Per the closer: "The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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List of books considered the worst

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Has a lot of sources but inclusion criteria is poorly defined and list needs massive trimming; WP:NOTCLEANUP nom. Dronebogus (talk) 11:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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UP Halcyon

REDIRECT
The result was redirect to University of the Philippines Visayas Tacloban College#Student organizations as an WP:ATD.

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Few English language sources. There may be sources in native Filipino languages, which I do not know. Organization appears valid and notable, and article is short and well-written without puffery, but merely lacks sources. Jax MN (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Heather Gladney

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I just voted to delete. Article is about a writer who was active in the 1980s. Currently there is no evidence of notability. But there is unconfirmed content in the article that she wrote two plays(or maybe books?). If anyone can prove that to be true, she might get a pass at WP:CREATIVE. I'd love to be proven wrong and be able to change my vote. CT55555 (talk) 03:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

One of my first litmus tests for authors is LibraryThing ie. [1]. It's not a reliable source being crowed source, but that's what makes it valuable to see what the general population thinks in terms of number of holdings and rankings (LT has great stats). In this case we can see her most popular book is Teot's War which is ranked 188,542 among all books which is somewhat notable (most books rank in the millions) - enough evidence to keep looking. It was published in 1987 and seems to be a slow burner getting steady but low readership over time. One blog post called it "overlooked". There is one review by Fritz Leiber. Blood Storm has one review. Both in Locus. Not much for notability from the same magazine which normally reviews many books anyway. -- GreenC 06:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I've searched in all the usual places for reviews, but could only find similar to the above. I got the same impression about the two possibly notable books, but only passing mentions or blog/fan-site type sources. CT55555 (talk) 21:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Added a few more things and cleaned up a bit. Found a reliable source in Charles Gramlich who confirmed she is a "forgotten writer". Notable for being forgotten? Anyway, even if it's deleted the page will be cached somewhere like Deletionpedia not a total loss of effort. -- GreenC GreenC 00:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Good work. I've scored out my delete as I reconsider. It is starting to look like her first book Teot's War is notable, which could give her a pass. I'm borderline weak keep. I also added some sources for verifiability, but don't do much for notability. CT55555 (talk) 00:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
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Coastal Grandmother

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I recently created an article for Coastal Grandmother, a fashion trend that has been in the media over past year. It is a brief stub, but I think the amount of media attention justifies the article. Any help in finding sourcing would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 23:02, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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Lake Five (Montana)

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A decent size lake in Kalispell Montana. Can we turn this stub into an article with newspapers and books? Lightburst (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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Beast of Bevendean

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Expand article with more citations. Duck Dawny (talk) 11:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Interesting subject. I was able to add a bit. Interesting to look at the see also section I added. Apparently there are quite a few Cryptids or big cats with the "Beast of..." moniker.Lightburst (talk) 16:05, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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Austin Bush

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Some references have been brought to the AfD. Nomination disputes the quality of the references in the article. Can we fix up this Thai food photographer's article? Or is it destined for deletion? The recipe calls for more RS. Lightburst (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

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Beecher's Bible

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Term related to the American historical figures of John Brown (abolitionist) and Minister Henry Ward Beecher. Beecher's Bibles were used in the Bleeding Kansas events. The term is also synonymous with sharps carbines like the ones brown used at Harpers Ferry. The article needs help as it is missing many citations. Lightburst (talk) 17:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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Government Engineering College Raichur

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A search for GNG-compliant sources is requested. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 09:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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Joseph Baena

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2 sentences about a famous person's son. Marked for deletion - but is he notable? Lightburst (talk) 17:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I've inspected Oaktree's three provided sources. Two sources seem fine to me, but one isn't. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I was skeptical that this might be an WP:INHERITED case, but on first glance there appear to be many references available. Lightburst (talk) 16:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Shields Junction

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A railway junction in Scotland which may be notable. Is it a WP:CFORK?Lightburst (talk) 17:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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Albert Sack

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Well known American antiquarian and antiques dealer. Wrote what is considered one of the most influential reference works on American furniture. Any help with sourcing would be appreciated. Many of the sources would likely be from decades ago- his most notable book was published in 1950. Thriley (talk) 12:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

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TradeStrike

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  • stub level article, which has a few sources which could possibly meet GNG. Any help sourcing would be appreciated. GR86 (📱) 10:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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List of the shortest rivers

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The result was delete. That's the consensus even after discounting the blocked nominator and their socks.

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This list is very incomplete, while there are a few source which could possibly meets GNG. I mean this list is very incomplete in 2014, and it was not continued in the same year. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mexican municipal flags Alverado (talk) 09:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The article needs to be rewritten from scratch. To me, WP:TNT is appropriate to remove the misinformation innate to this article until a rewrite can be done. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Mellohi! It is a fact. Your distinction doesn't change the problem. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mexican municipal flags The link speaks for itself. Your gratuitous and unwarranted canvassed claim at the deletion page is b.s. I have no illusions that this posting will change the outcome. No one showed up. But you can spread your poison. Alverado (talk) 04:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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George A. Lane

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The result was Speedy keep. UtherSRG (talk) 21:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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George A. Lane, a British historian and author, was nominated for deletion. I believe he meets notability as an author. Any help with find lingo sourcing would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 15:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Nazanin Ash

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus and I don't see an additional relist solving that with well-reasoned opinions from both POVs. If editors find merit, a discussion as to whether a redirect is appropriate can continue editorially. Star Mississippi 01:15, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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Iranian-American CEO of a notable organization, well established expert in her field. I created the article. I felt she passed the notability bar, but it is not currently very clear, and more help with establishing notability and sources would be welcomed.

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Early Warning Labs

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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Early Warning Labs, An R&D partner with the USGS for the ShakeAlert project, was nominated for deletion. Please see COI! Any help with references or thoughts on making a stub would help. EricFishers11 (talk)

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Terrence K. Williams 2nd nomination

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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A quick check reveals books and other references that might be used to source this biography on a political activist. He is an author also. Lightburst (talk) 01:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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  • I am rather disappointed in this deletion. The guy has 3.4 million Facebook followers, 1.4 million followers on on twitter and a almost a million on Instagram. We keep all manner of nonsense Youtubers and tiktokers with less notability or importance. IMO this project tends to regularly promote liberal Topics and shun conservative ones. I am not going to be Don Quixote on this subject but I think it is helpful to recognize that many editors have biases which hurt the project. Lightburst (talk) 22:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Ces Ciuhrii

DELETE
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

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Ces Ciuhrii (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion

A quick search revealed a ton of coverage, part of Bibliografia naţională a Moldovei, seems like an oligarch involved in corruption in a small country, worth saving. 31.205.13.226 (talk) 15:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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List of Nazi monuments in Canada

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The result was no consensus. This is complex. And we truly have a lack of consensus, not a kick the can down the road and re-nominate n/c either. Well thought out input from established editors has been roughly matched by those taking a different POV, equally relatively policy based. A discussion on spinning out or refining the content similarly did not attain consensus. The community appears divided on this. Closer:Star Mississippi

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Obviously a sensitive topic, but that doesn't mean one that we should avoid. A lot of talk page discussion from editors who want to merge, rename and/or delete this, I hope people will take the time to read the discussion, the reliable sources and help improve the article further.

For the avoidance of doubt, indeed Canada has two monuments to a SS division and also one of a Nazi collaborator. I know that sounds unlikely, hence the topic's newsworthiness and notability . : CT55555

Making the assertion here of "...hence the topic's newsworthiness and notability" seems a lot like WP:CANVASSING. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:06, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
@MrsSnoozyTurtle: Not sure what you mean. This has been canvassed elsewhere. Lightburst (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
This is the second time you've accused me of canvassing (link to first). I reject the allegation, again. Check out WP:ASPERSIONS please. CT55555(talk) 22:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
CT55555, which part of my statement do you think is a personal attack? I was just trying to impersonally raise a concern that a guideline has been breached.
Lightburst, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 04:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
@MrsSnoozyTurtle, I have replied on your talk page. CT55555(talk) 15:13, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm very sensitive to real canvassing, and this isn't it. The listing just seems like a statement of why editors might want to do what ARS is supposed to do. The criticism is unhelpful. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
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Borsari's Corner, Melbourne

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Is this a notable corner? Article has correctable issues perhaps but as of right now it has zero referneces. Lightburst (talk) 00:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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StairMaster

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW. Clozer: czar

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We can use some references in this article about a machine for exercising. Now Let's Get Physical! Lightburst (talk) 16:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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Congress of Essential Workers

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I created this article about the predecessor to the Amazon Labor Union. There is a discussion occurring that centres around the quality and depth of the sources. If anyone had access to databases that would find more sources to assess notability, that would be useful. CT55555(talk) 16:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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James (1806 ship)

REDIRECT/MERGE
The result was redirect to List of slave ships with the option of merging any encyclopedic content. Vanamonde93
Extended content
I shouldn't have to say this, but I will, for the benefit of the peanut gallery; this discussion isn't about slave ships in general, or about the list of slave ships, or about establishing precedent for all slave ships: it's about whether or not we keep a standalone article on this particular slave ship.

Some arguments to keep are entirely non-specific to this article and not based in policy; I am setting them aside completely. The other arguments to keep hinge on the database of slave ships: no other substantive secondary source has been provided. I believe the Slave ship database is admissible as a source; it is far more detailed than anything we usually refer to as a database at AfD. Nonetheless, the argument to keep involved WP:IAR, as it's suggesting that that the criterion of multiple sources in WP:GNG should not be enforced. I do not dismiss this argument; we can certainly make exceptions if consensus is found. To keep a standalone article, however, we need not only evidence of notability, but evidence that the content cannot be reasonably presented as part of a larger topic. The arguments to keep are substantively weaker on this issue. The argument has been made that slave ships were crimes against humanity that need to be preserved for the historical record. I don't think anybody here disputes this principle; but there's no reason that preservation can't happen in a list, rather than in a standalone article. What pieces of this article are actually encyclopedic and specific to this ship?

Finally, at least one !vote noted that the list itself is not currently very detailed. This is a fixable issue, and I suggest that if anyone wanted to devote their time to improving our coverage of this topic, they do so with the overview list, rather than on pages that have very little available information.

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Can we help demonstrate the notability of this ship? Launched in 1802 and it was captured in 1804 and used in the Slave Trade. Lightburst (talk) 20:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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To Escape the Stars

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The result was keep. I'm closing this discussion as Keep but if an editor wants to get working on this article and related ones, a case could be made for Merging this articles with others. Closer: Liz

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Sci-fi novel. Can we buff this article so it shines? Is it notable? Lightburst (talk) 17:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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Stewart Donaldson

SPEEDY KEEP
The result was speedy keep. Per WP:CSK#1, absence of a deletion rationale as nominator has withdrawn their rationale. Eddie891

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Notable Prof but the article is in need of skilled rescue editors. Lightburst (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nom after doing before (if that makes sense). -- GreenC 15:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Correct GreenC but it needs rescue badly. I think the sources brought forth by User:David Eppstein can get the party started. Lightburst (talk) 15:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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Life-cycle cost analysis

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The result was keep. BusterD

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Economic term that seems to have ample use in books. Can we add references to this article and save it from the Wiki-dustbin? Lightburst (talk) 21:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for the rescue efforts here. It probably would have been saved without us, but with us it was improved. Lightburst (talk) 18:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Auto Cub

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The result was redirect to List of defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 18:37, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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I was able to find three books about this fun-sounding 1956 vehicle. This might need offline sources, if there are any car fanatics out there. CT55555(talk) 20:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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Elizabeth Hummel

DELETE
The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

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Songwriter voted "Best Acoustic Artist" in 1995. Do we have enough for an article? Presently unreferenced and looking pseudo-promotional with the vanity shot. One AfD participant has produced a few references. Lightburst (talk) 17:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/music/sdut-elizabeth-hummel-concert-preview-2014jun12-htmlstory.html CT55555(talk) 17:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
I"m mostly posting this for my own benefit, so I can get to this later. CT55555(talk) 17:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Every post here seems to get a driveby from the sleepy turtle. Strange that participants here are accused of canvassing by the turtle - yet the turtle does nothing whatsoever to research/improve topics posted here. I have asked the closer Liz to reconsider, since I have only just begun researching the person and I have added two references. I was waiting to see if she was notable to log my own opinion. She may be a delete anyway, but this type of list following is a bit perplexing and maddening. Lightburst (talk) 23:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Oh, it got deleted before I could improve it. How disappointing. CT55555(talk) 23:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
CT55555 Possibly not notable, but I had not reached the end of my rope yet in researching. Lightburst (talk) 23:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
CT55555 I managed to get the article undeleted so that it could be presented in the best version. I have possibly reached the limit of my own researching here. I put at least three news references in the article. I think she meets WP:BASIC but many have already rendered opinions based on the unreferenced and disorganized article. Perhaps CT55555 and other editors here can take a look and see if there is research that I missed? Thanks all! Lightburst (talk) 15:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I made some stylistic improvements and votes, it's a borderline one, but I lean keep 51/49%. CT55555(talk) 15:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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List of car-free places

KEEP
The result was keep. The problems with definition are acknowledged, but there is consensus that a salvageable list exists here. I encourage all participants attempt to address scope issues via talk page discussion. Vanamonde

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I have always been fond of WP:LISTNs that aid navigation or provide information. Does this list fit the bill? The nomination rationale may be the longest one in the history of AfD. I have to admit I did not read the whole thing. I will have to try to read it again and determine what is needed. But for now perhaps the one claim about references can be addressed. Lightburst (talk) 18:47, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I missed the AFD, but just added some islands. CT55555(talk) 15:49, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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Sozo Water Park (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. closer: Liz

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Sources are there to be found in news articles etc. Can we organize and spiff up this Pakistani Waterpark article with our Wikiskills?? Lightburst (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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I posted a notice here that Mrs Snoozy Turtle has been removing portions of the article and reducing the article to a stub. Tryptofish has reverted my notice with an edit summary that it was a PA. It was not a PA - it was a notice. I am posting this notice again for those who were previously involved with saving the article. Lightburst (talk) 23:35, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
At the very least, it was a bad-faith and accusatory message, complete with a threat of being reported at ANI. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:47, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Cassern S. Goto

REDIRECT
The result was redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels. RL0919 (talk) 15:02, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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I've already voted to delete this one, but just found out that this author is best known as C. S. Goto and so now I wonder if sources could be found. He is a writer of science fiction, and reviews are not showing up in the usual places, but if maybe others can find sources. CT55555(talk) 18:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Source ideas (that I've not been able to check yet):
  1. Internet Speculative Fiction Database https://isfdb.org/
  2. Locus (magazine) http://locusmag.com/
  3. Gale databases
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Out of the Rain

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The result was keep Liz

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1991 film article which needs help. I think the keep is likely, but the stub should be improved. "I want you to use all your powers, and all your skills." Vito Corleone. Lightburst (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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George Stanford

KEEP
The result was keep. Extraordinary Writ

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BLP about a musician. The article has lots of questionable sources so maybe we can find better sourcing. Lightburst (talk) 01:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

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Geographers on Film

KEEP
The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Bruxton (talk) 23:21, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Geographers on Film has been nominated for deletion. Any help finding sources would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 00:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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Gay Soper

KEEP
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Linguist111 (talk) 16:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

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English actor whose career started in the 1960s and therefore her work is probably mostly noted in offline sources. 17:02, 11 January 2023‎ CT55555

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Brittany Venti

DELETE
The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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A Newspaper.com search only showed her briefly mentioned in a single article. Google news search had better results. She is mentioned in many places, surely there is more detailed coverage about her somewhere. Anyone know of any reliable sources that review YouTubers? She previously used a different name when a Twitch streaming. Dream Focus 14:17, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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Buffalo Boys (2013 film)

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The result was Delete. Liz 18:32, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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A 2013 film about a murder in Buffalo New York. Made some waves regionally in the New York area. Most of the article needs to be rewritten and referenced to proper RS. Note that there is another film by the same name which has more notability Buffalo Boys (2018 film). Lightburst (talk) 00:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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Country Boy Eddie

KEEP
The result was keep (with a slight dose of WP:SNOW). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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Country Boy Eddie was recently nominated for deletion. He was the host of a long running television variety program. Any help with sourcing would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 18:58, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I voted in the AfD (to keep) and found that his old radio/TV show was discussed in a lot of then-current books and magazines, found via a simple Google Books search. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:19, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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Srdjan Djokovic

KEEP
The result was keep. I see a consensus here to Keep this article as sources meet GNG standards. User:Liz

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People have challenged some of the sourcing in this article which I recently created. Given it has also been taken to WP:AFD at the same time, any help in adding better sourcing would be welcomed. CT55555(talk) 03:29, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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A trilogy: Mykhailo Korenovsky, Yan Dobronosov and a photo

 
Phan Thi Kim Phuc photographed by Nick Ut during the Vietnam War
File:XMykhailo Korenovsky family kitchen.webp
Mykhailo Korenovsky's kitchen, photographed by Yan Dobronosov during the 2022–2023 Dnipro missile strikes
  • On the left is a notable photo of a notable person taken during a notable event. All good. 
  • On the right is a notable photo of a notable person's space taken during a notable event. Up for deleting, the photo, the biography and the article on the photographer.  

I'm seeking help, because this photo, I think, might be the photo of the year. Proposals to delete the content or merge it into 2022–2023 Dnipro missile strikes miss the point, the point being that the photo was a lightning rod for the world to pay attention to the civilian casualties of the war in Ukraine. A bit like how the photo of the Death of Alan Kurdi changed the public awareness of the Syria conflict.

I have not found a good way to write about this without my work all being proposed for deletion. See:

  1. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mykhailo Korenovsky
  2. Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion#Discussions_approaching_conclusion
  3. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yan Dobronosov

Improvement to the articles are sought, and also advice about how to find a way to keep the content similarly to how we have content on other notable war photos. CT55555(talk) 04:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Intellectual property rules compliance rules prompted a bot to remove the image above. Here's a link: File:Mykhailo Korenovsky family kitchen.webp CT55555(talk) 17:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

List of important publications in geology

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. I'm closing this as No consensus because I see decent arguments on both sides of this discussion and not preponderance of "votes" on either side. I don't think an addition relist would resolve this divide. But there might be another visit to AFD in the future. This might not occur if editing/pruning suggestions in this discussion are followed up on. Liz Read! Talk! 03:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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I added some references to the information listed there. Does anyone know about geology or its history? Surely somewhere there is a college website or publication listing the most notable geologists in history, and their contribution to the study of it. Dream Focus 17:02, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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List of important publications in theoretical computer science

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 12:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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Does anyone know anything about his subject or where to search at to get results? Dream Focus 18:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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Charlotte McDonald-Gibson

This is an odd one. The article isn't in any danger of being deleted, so no real "rescue" issue. I just cannot find the nationality of the subject. And therefore I cannot add the correct WikiProjects, I cannot say she is a Belgium/American/British author, and I cannot add the usual categories, as they all require a nationality. So, if anyone can establish her nationality, that edit would be welcome. CT55555(talk) 09:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

[2] and [3] both give her nationality as "British". [4] says "now based in Brussels", although I think that's out of date and she now lives in The Hague [5]. Jfire (talk) 16:44, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! CT55555(talk) 17:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Eliza Bleu

DELETE
The result was delete. Joyous!

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Eliza Bleu has been nominated for deletion. Any help in finding sourcing would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 00:28, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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Narcís Casal de Fonsdeviela

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The result was redirect to Andorran permanent representative to the United Nations in New York City. Joyous!

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Rationale: Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Can we find RS for this Ambassador of the landlocked microstate of Andorra? Lightburst (talk) 00:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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Nancy DiNardo

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The result was keep. Salvio giuliano 00:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Salvio giuliano 00:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Seems to references available. Can we buff this article? Lightburst (talk) 04:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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DJ Charlie B

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The result was keep. User:Liz

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An article that clearly passes at least 2 of the criteria for WP:NMG. Could require some assistance in searching for some RS for the article. GR86 (📱) 20:30, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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APMEX

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The result was delete. User:Star Mississippi

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Major dealer of precious metals located in Oklahoma - American Precious Metals Exchange. The nominator said it does not pass WP:NCORP but then calls for TNT. I am certain the company is notable. Lightburst (talk) 04:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Deleted - many thanks to our follower who turned up just to take a dump at the AfD. This is the largest online precious metals company that I know of. They are so large they get exclusive coins released from the Perth Mint when no other company has them. Their own branded coins and bars are known throughout the industry. Well I did not get to improving the article in time, I thought it might get extended another week but I was wrong. Lightburst (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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I have struck part of that per WP:NPA. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Tryptofish you are not an unbiased arbiter where the ARS is concerned. (note: I have moved your comments out of the closed discussion) Lightburst (talk) 00:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't have to be. ARS does not WP:OWN the page, and no one posting here is immune to WP:NPA. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
You have been very vocal in your disdain for the project, yet here you are. You are watching over the project like an overseer. The WP:FOLLOWING is much more troubling than the phrase "take a dump". Read up, based on our own policy page it is not even a PA WP:NPA#WHATIS. Lightburst (talk) 18:52, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Let's be very clear: so you think that what you did was OK, and what I've done in pointing it out is against policy? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:40, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Henry Payne (cartoonist)

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The result was keep. User:Liz

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Prize winning cartoonist whose article needs some work. Lightburst (talk) 23:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

"Some" work? The only source that I can find that focuses on him is this one by the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. Even so, it doesn't contain any biographical content; it's just an interview where Payne describes how political cartoons are made. — Nythar (💬-❄️) 23:59, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Good work on the cartoonist. I have added quite a bit to the article and a few other editors here have helped expand it. Great work! Lightburst (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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Five Peaks Garden

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Lizthegrey (talk) 21:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

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This article needs some ambitious editors. Chinese garden located in Suzhou, China. Rather beautiful. Lightburst (talk) 18:52, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

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I tried to get this one through DYK but I withdrew the nomination when it was clear that it was jammed up. Lightburst (talk) 21:07, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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