User talk:Yume no Kishi/Archive 5

RE

Well if you read her weapons and abilites section, she doesnt say reborn in the manga. and on the to-do list, one of them is adding manga pics to those who dont have one. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 20:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

hidden comments

you may want to check if theres hidden comments in articles with "citation needed" tags. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 00:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

RE Content notes

Will you please comment on my reply? We can definitely think about the specific formatting. (User_talk:G.A.S#Content_Notes) G.A.S 18:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Update posted G.A.S 19:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Update posted. I do not think it need to be updated urgently (nobody has complained about it being OR), there are more important editing to do, such as planning the episode list and articles or anything on the todo list. Regards, G.A.S 20:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure about the episode articles. I think a single episode of TMM is not important enough for its own article: TMM's only 52 episodes long (with only seven manga volumes - pretty short for a series of that kind), not that much known and popular (compared to some other magical girl anime); besides, it'll be very difficult to find reliable secondary sources for the summaries, because such info is usually only on fansites, full of rumors and speculations. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 07:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I know what you mean, but the list articles are in need of work. Also, category:Oh My Goddess! episodes has very little to no info on each episode, yet each one has an article. (And that episode list is featured. If they got away with it... We do have more info per article already, and although the articles will be short, they will probably contain at least double as much information as the list does.

At least it is a better place to put information such as dub air dates, dub, translated and original titles (MMP/MM:AV/etc.), etc, since this information takes up too much space in the list.

What do you think? G.A.S 09:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Futher information that would actually make more sense in individual episode articles are the Chimera Anima of the day (as opposed to listing the lot in the one article), minor characters (i.e. not friends and family, but the once-off characters) etc. Currently, the lists' info is basically a re-iteration of events in the episode, since there are not a lot of information about the characters. Those lists can then be easily trimmed to provide links to the actual episodes, and a concise description. This also means the pictures will be moved to the articles.^{[Your comment?]} G.A.S 13:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice, but we will still need sources, and I have no clue where to find them... and I still think this stuff is not notable enough... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk}

In time it should be done; but not in the mainspace — we should look at the information that we have, and work from there. I won't start without a go-ahead. Maybe a single draft episode will be a start? If it is satisfactory, it can be moved to mainspace when all of the changes are done. Regards, G.A.S 14:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe later then... Is there anything else that you think require more urgent attention? G.A.S 17:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Episode articles and lists

I had a look at Wikipedia:Television_episodes and other policies:

• Regarding sources: WP:RS & WP:PSTS: "Primary sources are very reliable when it comes to general information about the subject (e.g. where an organisation is seated), but not reliable at all when it comes to opinions (e.g. "it was an enormous hit"). Articles that rely solely on primary sources also require a secondary reliable source." — The problem is finding secondary sources.
• Regarding plot, the episodes are a primary source, and it may be correctly used as such (it does not allow for interpretations of the plot, though).
• Regarding content: WP:EPISODE This page gives guidelines what information a list / articles should contain.
• Regarding notability; (See WP:NOT#PLOT) "Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance." The articles by themselves, if they are mere plot summaries will not be notable. So we should consider if any of the aforementioned can be added. (e.g. analysis)
• On the other hand is the question "Will the merge reduce the quality or coherence of the target article?" — i.e. if there are individual articles, and the list is very good, such articles are allowed.

It seems to me that most featured lists of articles have individual episode articles to keep the quality of the list high, so should we decide to improve the list to featured status, this will come as a natural process, not the other way around; so the list is the place to start.

I have also came across a few other concerns when reading said policies, but I will discuss them in due time. Regards, G.A.S 20:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

No reply?

I hope you are not angry at or upset with me, it was never my intention to push you into something you do not want to do. Sincerely, G.A.S 05:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Aw... Sorry, G.A.S, I have Internet problems... currently not on my own computer and can only be online for a short time - this annoys me. I'll be back a bit later, and we'll discuss this, OK? I'm not angry with you in any way, really. ^_^; 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 06:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know - you could have updated your user page accordingly, I actually looked there first. G.A.S 06:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Episode articles

OK, I looked at my copy of the very first version of the episode list (i.e. what I originally planned to include in it; some of this stuff was cut out in the very beginning, because I felt that the page will be too long). Here's what these summaries contain:

1. Episode titles and air dates (originally only Japanese and English, but other may be included if sources for them are available);
2. Corresponding manga chapter(s), if based directly on the manga plot (note that some events are different in the two versions, and some of them are arranged differently; as a result, one episode may have two corresponding manga chapters, and vice versa; many episodes are just fillers not based on the manga at all);
3. Staff/cast;
4. Characters introduced (main and minor; the same section is used to indicate when a character's true identity is revealed (i.e., the Blue Knight, Deep Blue and Alto), or even just name (e.g., Deep Blue first speaks in episode two, but his name is revealed only in episode six));
5. Transformation/weapon/attack first used (I only came up with this because of Lettuce; in episode three she transforms without saying anything, and in the next episode she doesn't transform on screen, so her transformation phrase is not said until later on);
6. Chimera Anima of the day;
7. Songs (characters' image songs and insert songs played in the episode); not important at all;
8. The plot summary itself.

夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 10:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the detail (I have numbered the bullets for easy reference)

1. Numbers 1 and 2 above are crucial detail for getting articles a bit "out of universe" (See my detail post above — I spent around 2–3 hours writing it and doing research)
2. Number 3 is also good as far as guest voice actors are concerned, and when someone is not credited, for instance the Blue Knight.
3. Number 4 is of minor importance – something for "interest's sake" – but useful
4. Numbers 5 and 6 are useful as far as analysis of the article is concerned, otherwise should be part of the plot.
5. Number 7, as you say, not important (It is explicitly mentioned in the MoS/Policies that it isn't)
6. Number 8; important — should be between 200 to 250 words ideally (one of the policies specify 10 words per minute).

Please have a look at the prior post, though. It basically means that having a concise list is very important, and episode articles are a "nice to have" — as the featured lists in both WP:EPISODE#'List of' pages and WP:Anime#Featured Lists demonstrate.

Regards, G.A.S 11:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

This is all good, but I think we now need to try and make a draft - to see what it looks like. That's what my sandbox is now for. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 15:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Draft the list, or a sample episode? G.A.S 15:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

What's more important currently? And we can work on both - just create another subpage, I did that when working on the new versions of the main article and adaptations articles. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 15:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The list is much more important, but the articles will be the bulk of the work. (Although all of the articles can actually be done on one page, it is easier to format them that way.) G.A.S 15:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

We may really need a second sandbox... Let's start with something already; it's pretty hard for me to plan something without actually seeing it. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk}

Draft

I have drafted a lead paragraph, will think about the rest and add some content tomorrow. Also see the sandbox's talk page. G.A.S 19:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer if I can do the preliminary editing for the list, although comment at any time will be appreciated. My goal is that the list should be moved to mainspace when we are done, retaining the talk page and the history. G.A.S 21:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you think I am going in the right direction? It seems quite good thus "far". G.A.S 18:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks nice, but these colored things will be quite useless... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 18:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I will adapt the list to a list of media, which means a new lead, but will only do so tomorrow. Thank you for the links. G.A.S 19:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry if I came off as mean. It just that revisioning something I'm not fond of, one of the reasons why is because i aleays get pissy when doing so, and i knew revisioning Ichigo's age section would require alot of work. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 18:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Pic or Link?

"...darkening of the ink; some picture are harder to see than others, page number differences, some pictures cut off; The Japanese version of the manga is about 11.5 cm (4.5 in.) by 17.2 cm (6.7 in.) and the English version is 12.7 cm (5 in.) by 19.7cm (7.7 in.). Because of this the pictures had to be blown up, cut off some of the original picture. "

which pics would best describe this?

Pic of Ichgo

Japanese version: http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e342/angelofdeath275/?action=view&current=Ichigojapversion.jpg

English version: http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e342/angelofdeath275/?action=view&current=Ichigoengversion.jpg

Pic of Mint's dog

Japanese version: http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e342/angelofdeath275/?action=view&current=mintjapversion.jpg

English version (already upload): http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e342/angelofdeath275/

THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 00:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I would choose Ichigo, but I'm not really sure if we can use pictures for this purpose on Wikipedia... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 04:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree — I am also not sure whether the pictures can be used on Wikipedia: I have concerns about #3(a) and #4 of WP:FUC. See also WP:IUP#Rules of thumb point no 6. (This goes for a few of the other pictures as well) G.A.S 06:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I shall say again: pic or link. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 11:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, we already said we can't use pictures for that, which means that the only solution is *link*. However, there's a problem: I believe Wikipedia bots have something against photobucket links, so I don't know if it's possible to insert them (unless you're going to link the original pictures from the site where you got them). 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 11:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I do know where I got these. I'll use those links THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 19:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ringo

man...more re-writing...I'll have to find some more websites about her and see what else can be used for her inro paragraph. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 19:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Out of Curiosity

When is that color-changing IPer suppposed to be back? I'd rather know in advance. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 03:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

He was blocked June 18 for ten weeks (block log), so the block expires somewhere around August 27 or something. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 03:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Concerns — too many pictures?

I am concerned by the tons of images currently used in the articles:

(WP:FUC 3 (a) Minimal use. As little non-free content as possible is used in an article. Short rather than long video and audio excerpts are used. Multiple items are not used if one will suffice; one is used only if necessary.)

Maybe the current pictures (same as in the articles) can be used instead of uploading more mugshots; they are quite decent)

(i.e. Image:Aoyama.jpg instead of Image:Masaya1.png, etc.)

(This is one of the concerns I mentioned earlier in Episode articles and lists.)

G.A.S 16:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think there's no need for more pics - to show what the character look like, one's quite enough - we can just reuse those that are already in the characters' articles. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 16:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I see someone re-added all the Fair use images to Chimera Anima since this version, (I think this version is acceptable, as it is perfectly complies to #8 "Non-free media is not used unless its presence significantly increases readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot"). Also see this list. Some of the other articles are also on it.

Regards, G.A.S 12:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't really care for all this stuff. (Though I don't like how they just remove all images without even contacting people who contribute to the articles, so that these people could decide which images can be left. Removing images without adapting the layout = making articles ugly.) 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 12:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It just means that we should critically review the articles for overuse before they do. I'd say if we keep it to less than 10 in an article there should not be too much issues, since they will go through the articles with high amounts of pictures first. If an image is used in an individual article and in the main article, I think it need not be counted in the main article. We might need to do a discussion on each article's talk page to test compliance. (with AoD too) G.A.S 12:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I still don't like when something that has been around for ages is removed, and no one even bothers to give people time to solve the problem... sigh... Can this picture be useful? 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 13:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not agree with the method either, but honestly, if you look at their list, I think it is an impossible job to notify the regular editors of each article.

The picture per se is good, but is too busy, and is high resolution without the possibility of lowering it. Rather I think 4 pictures from the anime, 3 from the manga. 2 plants (or less) 3 animals (or less), 2 spirit/human (or less). Described as:

1. A Chimera rat, A typical Chimera Anima
2. Chimera Anima comes in a variety of species (2nd animal type)
3. A chimera (animal) in the manga

Regards, G.A.S 15:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Also

Great work on the content notes. G.A.S 16:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• I like what you have done with the Kanji citations in the Blue Knight. Not sure if it is the right way, but it sure works better.^(WP:IAR) G.A.S 17:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Great work on the Blue Knight's article, it is getting quite decent by now. (Compared to before you started with the overhaul.) G.A.S 11:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

This is annoying me

How often (or how many edits directed to this) do you think the Mews ages get changed? Why do I ask? Because I think your may end up having to make a template warning like {{subst:User:Yume no Kishi/uw-names}}. It is far too common for IPers and new users to change this, just like the romaji counterparts of their names. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 04:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Can't be helped. I mean - they don't even bother to look at the Mews' articles - Ichigo's specifically shows she's not 11 at any point in the original manga. But we don't need a warning for this - {{subst:uw-error}} will work (since it is already said in the articles why "11-year-old" is incorrect). 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 04:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

On the second thought... If you look at the main Sailor Moon article, it doesn't list characters' ages at all. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 04:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

True, but some Serial Experiments Lain lists them (or the ages of the people said), and Bleach does also. So I guess it doesnt matter if an age is listed or not. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 07:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, the ages thing is dealt with in the individual articles, it is not necessary to repeat the age in the main article: the age is very "in-universe".

On the same topic, Both Bleach and Sailor Moon are good articles, and Serial Experiments Lain is a featured article.

Further research shows that Bleach and Sailor Moon have separate character articles while Serial Experiments Lain do not — this may be the reason for mentioning the ages in Serial Experiments Lain.

I think there are more important information to give in the main article, and that the ages are not necessary there, especially since the ages differ as explained. If it is necessary to keep it, and I do not think it is, maybe comment should be inserted there with the link to the specific sections.

Optimally the descriptions there should be no more than 100 words each (this the average amount in SM's article)

Regards, G.A.S 11:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Sources

I have some questions regarding the episode list's original sources (→User talk:Yume no Kishi/Sandbox). Do you know the official source for the episode titles, and a source for the Romanized titles? Regards and thanks, G.A.S 16:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• I have a question regarding your versus the automatic Romaji. G.A.S 15:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Something that I've been questioning for a while

Why exactly are you only editing Blue Knight's articles extensivley? THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 04:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess this is the reason: DIFF Sincerely, G.A.S 07:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I replied at User_talk:G.A.S#What.27s_going_on_here.3F. I think it is AoD's idea? G.A.S 17:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

?

I've noticed you changed the citations for the kanji on other articles except the original Mews. Why is that? THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 03:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm just not sure whether it *is* a nice way to make the references section shorter or not. I'm basically making direct links to the kanji definitions instead of inserting footnotes. But I'm not sure if it's a good idea, so I started with the secondary characters articles, just to see if it is better or not. But I think I'll eventually do this in all articles. If no one minds it. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk}

In trying to find an answer to the transliteration question, I found Raichō. There, kanji is directly linked to wiktionary.

I am not sure about the part inside the brackets though. Keep Japanese romaji (which seems more and more correct), or use English spelling? I am not sure, but that paragraph may refer only to the words as used in the article or outside of the brackets. G.A.S 18:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hm... I'm not sure either. But at least there should be some consistency - that means choosing one version and using it everywhere. And using romaji makes the text look less redundant, considering the English spelling is usually provided anyway. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk}

Very good

The Blue Knight (Tokyo Mew Mew)

I like the article quite a lot now, good use of paragraphs, does not seem so "in-universe" anymore, and the content notes are also very proper and informative, while staying as short as possible. Keep up the good work. G.A.S 16:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

^_^; I basically just merged "history" into one section and got rid of everything that looks like a list. Though I don't know if I can apply such format to other articles. I mean - look at Azumi's "abilities" section, with all these kanji translations... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 17:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean, maybe four content notes ;) G.A.S 17:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Anime manga differences

For the plot deviation section of the main article, I need you to give me like a small paragragh of differnces that are particlly noticeable; the rest could be explained some where else. I know there is the anime section in the character artilce, but I think I'd go a little overboard with explaing differnces. The manga plots are in my subpage. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 18:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

They are explained in some form or another in the French Wikipedia and the Japanese Wikipedia, use Google translate. The French one seems to be quite good. G.A.S 18:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the french is good, But something is interesting: it says Mew Mew Power was a failure in the US; I think they mean in terms of ratings. Oh no...more research on this...THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 19:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

...What AngelofDeath removed from the characters' articles only describes their introduction (i.e. the beginning of the story) - the main article needs some *global* differences described... For example:

• The beginning of the story: in the manga, the five girls meet in the first chapter, and their infusion with animal DNA is an accident; in the anime, they do not meet, and at least Ichigo is scanned for DNA compartibility and is *purposefully* infused with cat DNA.
• In the anime, the Mews are given a bit of background: Zakuro's past is mentioned at some points; Mint's family and her relationship with her brother (who is not in the manga) are shown; Lettuce's family is present in one episode.
• Lettuce/Pie relationship is apparently not present in the manga.
• In the anime, the aliens leave the Earth without saying a proper good-bye to the Mew Mews.

...

夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 19:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I am unsure whether we are on the same wavelength — I meant to say both the above Wikipedias has sections on the differences between the Anime and the Manga (without going into fine details). In the Japanese Wikipedia, the "原作とアニメの相違点" section contains the differences. G.A.S 19:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

What I wrote here is from French Wikipedia. ~_^ The Japanese Wikipedia even had some stuff about the Mews' hair/eye color (it changes in the transformation in the anime, but not in the manga). I'm pretty sure there could be enough info on the difference in the characters' articles, why put these in the main article? 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 20:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean... Yes, that information would make more sense in the individual articles. G.A.S 20:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion

I suggest changing the paragraph in the article to the one as follow (for better readability, using the nihongo template):

Ichigo's kanji (桃, momo) means "peach", and Zakuro's kanji (藤, fuji), means "wisteria". In Japanese, "pink" is called "peach color". "Peach color" (桃色, momo-iro) does not refer to the color of the peach fruit — a peach's color is called "skin color" (肌色, hada-iro). Although "Purple" has its own kanji (紫, murasaki), "light purple" is written wisteria color (藤色, fuji-iro). The kanji of the other characters' colors are also similar to traits of the characters, such as their signature color (for the Mew Mews), hair color or eye color.

Of course, it will make sense to link the Kanji too.

Regards, G.A.S 19:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sigh...RE

My guess is that his age would be said in the offical fanbook, but the Japanese wikipedia does not list an age, and they can get MUCH MORE INFO on Tokyo Mew Mew. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 04:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Tokyo_Mew_Mew/to_do

AoD added the above page:

Would you mind doing the following change to the main article if you have a chance? Or would you mind my doing it?

Content notes and references

• Rename references to "Source notes"
• Add section "Content notes"
• Convert the following "references" into content notes, as was done with the character's articles:
  • Pudding's name (Currently note 26)
  • On both the original English and Japanese manga cover... (Currently note 8)

G.A.S 08:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 09:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. G.A.S 10:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Media list

Please see my last edit on the talk page.

G.A.S 06:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Hi, nice to see that you are back. Sincerely, G.A.S 17:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

^_^ 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 17:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I know, it's been a long while - I've been caught up in a YouTube war against mean users there since April 2007. --Addict 2006 19:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Manga

which version of the manga do you have? The english or Japanese version? THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 18:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

It's equally hard to get *any* version in my case, so I attempted to get the original Japanese version. But I only have five volumes so far... (The English version would've been easier for me to read, but seeing the amount of translation errors... yeah... and reading Japanese manga is a nice way to learn Japanese. ^_^) 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk}

Is there an epsidoe where Lettuce likes "Sewing and makeing little dolls to sell"? THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 22:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Episode 34 — The most important matter – The ability to trust in someone.(?) Not sure whether it can be cited though, I cannot remember if she say so or someone say it about her. Regards, G.A.S 07:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

RE: Sigh...

And I was contemplating buying that book...How many scans did you get? May I see the scans? THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 03:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind adding what it does contain to the list of media? G.A.S 07:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Who was it published by? THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 07:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

"then the characters' profiles. All stuff that was in the articles until you changed it was from there - differs a little from the profiles on the doll boxes." I cant remeber when I removed. Give me an example of what was in a Mew's article before i removed it. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 07:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Here is the old version before we added the infoboxes. G.A.S 07:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It reminds me of a la mode: it was kodansha's idea, and number of people who hepled w/ TMM didnt w/ a la mode. I'm certain that number of people got did not help w/ the fan book.. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 19:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Ichigo likes shopping?

Its it ever implied in an episode that Ichigo likes shopping? THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 03:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

There are a few episodes that she is seen shopping (i.e. Episode 24 — A Mysterious Gem – Brilliance is within you!). Not sure whether it can be cited; I do not believe anybody say so about her, and the mere fact that she is in a mall is in my opinion not good enough. G.A.S 06:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

RE:

"I think all of their Mew/non-Mew names can be referred to a single page - vol.3, page 2, the character intro section."

Ok. I was mainly thinking of when their names appear in the story, but oh well. You change them now if you want. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 23:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure about this; it's just that these intro pages show both normal names and Mew names, so that you can see they are written differently, without searching through the manga. The point of citations for these is to show the difference, right? 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 00:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, so you can change then if you want. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 00:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I found this article..

When I was checking all information on other article linking to the TMM articles (the "What links here" in the tool box) I came across this article:

• List of Tokyo Mew Mew cast members - ..I remeber seeing it many months ago, and either I or someone knew it was not needed and removed from the main article, but forgot to delete the article.. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 19:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I believe there was a decision made some while ago that all "category:series cast member" were to be replaced by "list of series cast members". I guess this is the result. G.A.S 19:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this was a replacement for the category. Still looks pretty silly, but I doubt anything can be done about this... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 19:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Can this be put up for speedy deletion? THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 00:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

If this article was the result of some other deletion process (for categories)... hm...

They could've just delete the category without making a silly-looking list out of it...

In any case, it doesn't seem to be a CSD. We can propose deletion or list it on AFD. (And I'm not sure whether this should be done...) 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 03:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I found the CFD nomination here.

The list is referred to in Category:Voice_actors_by_series, so it should ideally stay.

Regards, G.A.S 13:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Redwall

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RE:

my opinion: I enjoy the anime version better because everyone get a chance in the spotlight; Ichigo has the most attention in the manga, a bit too much for me. Everyone one else is a minor character, even Masaya, who is part of the blue trio.

I suppose Deep Blue needs to be included in the anime vs. manga section; I think everything that is a big change is in the section but him. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 19:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I would like the content; but for the main article we might need secondary sources as well, and I do not think any exist... and they would be needed to get the article up to GA status if this were to be included. It might work better in the characters' articles.

Anyway, would you have a try at summaries for the Manga chapters for the list article? I thought about 20-25 words, each; maybe just one or two chapters for now (For such summaries are very hard' work)? About the style the epidodes are done in (enough info to identify the chapter)?

Regards, G.A.S 21:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

AoD:

I won't say Masaya is a minor character in the manga... Anyway, what I was talking about... how the Blue Trio got screwed up?..

The main thing that caused stupid changes is that the animators decided to have a generic "enemies discussing their evil plans with their almighty leader who doesn't really do anything to help them for whatever reason" scene at the beginning of almost every episode. The original version of it is obviously taken from the manga (J: vol.1, p.147), but there it's just one scene, and the first time I spotted DB's name mentioned is in volume 3. In the anime, it would've still worked... maybe... but then they decided to show what DB looks like, and that was only half-way through the story. Looks like they wanted to make his awakening... eh... a bit longer than in the manga... -_-;; Of course, later on they had to somehow explain this, so they added that story... about Deep Blue's "true" spirit living in some alternate dimension, and his "three spiritual body parts" (man, now I just can't watch this scene without laughing...). In the manga, there's no dumb stuff about his origin (who cares who he really is if he's going to kill all people on the planet...).

...Well, at least they tried to find some way to fix the messed up things... now the only question is how this is supposed to be described...

Unfortunately, what they did to the Blue Knight is far worse... Argh... seems that I'll spend the rest of the summer rewriting some particular TMM articles... >.<

G.A.S:

I'm not good at writing summaries, but I'll try, especially since the beginning of the story is similar in both versions. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 22:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the first four, I will use them a bit later. If you would prefer I could write the summaries in paragraph form, but to do that I would need the 4 or 5 most important items for each chapter (in bullet format). As there is not even a snowball's chance in hell that I could get the manga myself.

I expected that they would start the same, but chances are that the information can only go to a) the main article, b) the list article or c) the characters' articles*; and it would be odd if the list had good episode coverage but little/no information on the manga's plot.

*It does seem though that separate episode articles would no longer be possible due to recent changes in WP:EPISODE (per your original concern about them). It might be possible to use separate "season" articles for this though, but we can worry about this later.

Regards, G.A.S 06:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you have the a la mode manga? And, you talk page is in need of archieving. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 01:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Mint's source note

could you set a source note for Mint about her animal? I dont know how too add them; I can easily write about her animal. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 06:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

yes please. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 06:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Ucha

Okay, I now want Ucha's article deleted, but unsure if I should blank and redirect, or just have it deleted. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 20:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

It should be redirected if you moved the content to the new article, as the history needs to be preserved: Tag the redirect page with {{R from merge}} to prevent accidental erasure. (Refer to the link for more information). Regards, G.A.S 20:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey..

you submitted リボーン to a site that allows people to submit translations not too long ago..

Your submission:

• Current Entry リボーン /(adj) reborn/TempSUB/
• Headword 1 リボーン
• Part-of-speech adj
• English 1 reborn
• English 2 TempSUB
• Reference http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki
• Comment Oh well. This manga title shows the word in both katakana and Latin letters. Does it *qualify as a reference?
• Name Yume no Kishi
• Submission Type amend
• Editorial Comment I'm trying to determine if it is actually used in Japanese as an adjective meaning "reborn". Sure it's the name of a manga, but that doesn't prve anything.
• Current Entryリボーン /(adj) reborn/TempSUB/
• Headword 1リボーン Part-of-speechadj English 1reborn English 2TempSUB
• Referencehttp://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki Comment...Sorry, something went wrong with that link, I think, so I send one more time. The link is supposed to be to the Wiki article on the "Katekyo Hitman Reborn!" manga. Also, the cover of this manga shows the word in both katakana and Latin letters. NameYume no Kishi Submission Typeamend Editorial Comment

• Current Entry リボーン /(adj) reborn/TempSUB/
• Headword 1 リボーン
• Part-of-speech adj
• English 1 reborn
• English 2 TempSUB
• Reference http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/リボーン
• Comment One ref, lots of hits. I'm dubious about the 'adj' though.

• Popularized by the anime series 家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN(リボーン)! I have been completely unable to find any text actually using it in a sentence as other than a reference to the anime. Such sentences may exist but if so are swamped by the rest.
• Name Paul Blay
• Submission Type amend
• Editorial Comment Hence my problem.

THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 07:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

QC

I had a look at The Blue Knight's article:

Refer to WP:WIAGA

• Y It is well written.
• Y It is factually accurate and verifiable.
• Y It is broad in its coverage.
• Y It is neutral; that is, it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias.
• Y It is stable; that is, it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of an ongoing edit war.
• Y It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

As such I think it may be time to put the article up for peer review, to identify issues I might have missed, as I think this article qualifies for GA status. G.A.S 12:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm still not sure about some things in this article. In particular, it is based entirely on primary sources, and currently it's impossible to find any reliable secondary sources, because everything that is written about what I call The Blue Trio on the web is basically just fan speculations. One reason for this is that the story is somewhat different in the manga and anime, and another is that nothing is explained directly there. I think I took care not to go into OR and to use citations only if what is said or shown can't be interpreted in multiple ways, but there are some things left that I'm just not sure about... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk}

When the time is right Peer Review may tell us how the article can be improved.

What items are you not sure about?

Regards, G.A.S 14:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

• The VA section looks very short with the info on adaptations aside from Japanese and English removed. It just doesn't look right...
• Somewhere in the History section there's an extra paragraph I left in a hidden comment (more manga vs. anime differences) - I've never seen this change mentioned on TMM websites, maybe just at some forums. Can't decide whether to include it or not.
• The third content note. I just noticed this thing once while watching the anime and thought it would be interesting to mention. But it looks unsourced. 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 15:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Other languages

Hi Yume,

I would like to draw your attention to this proposed guideline. It may yet solve the problem of having to list – and source – all of the other languages' voice actors in the TMM articles.

Regards, G.A.S 22:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh well. International adaptations of TMM is something I don't really care about anymore, just because I'm usually busy finding sources for things related to the original Japanese version and English adaptations... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk}

more Intresting than shocking

The color-changing IP is blocked for 3 months....for doing doing the same thing....I'm really not all the surprised, but I ponder why is he so set on color changing...THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 02:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

RE:

Its really bugging me, especailly when the Iper 69. something who has been around the TMM articles steps in, cause that person already knows what we edited, and why..

"Maybe it's better to remove the Mews' ages altogether and just mention their grades instead? "

I have a feeling when we do that, a random IPer (or not) will add them back, and may add the wrong ages, then we'll revert, then this happens for weeks...Ugh..THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 01:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: I think I may have to do with why the Japanese wikipedia removed the ages. I added the "citation needed" tag ( {{要出典}} ), to see where they got the ages from; it was around the time when the ages were constantly changed here. An established user named Pr3, then changed it to their grades. I guess because there is no source saying their grades. They did the same thing we did; derive their ages from their grades. So...the most we could to is leave a footnote saying where thieir ages came from, and use that site I added to Pudding talk page, to prove it. 02:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Character's articles // Update

Discussion moved to User talk:Yume no Kishi/Sandbox2
(Please reply here) Regarding that old query — I see you have started drafting a new list of characters... It might be needed at the speed some Wikipedians are clearing up characters (For instance here) You might also want to consider merging "the Blue Trio"... I am currently trying to clean up WP:WAF; but it is a rather slow process, but it will give more detail to enhance articles when we are done. When that is done I will return to the list of media. Regards, G.A.S 15:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC) A suggestion: Consider updating the character list to table format, esp. for the minor characters. Here is an example of an idea that might work (without so many pictures, of course). G.A.S 15:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Well, this mess looks rather nice even as a list, and I actually tried to make something like this. Surprisingly (or not), the list actually looks much better than hopeless character stubs. 夢の騎士Yume no Kishi - Talk 03:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC) That looks quite decent; it may even make FL class in time. G.A.S 05:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC) In fact, here is a very good example to work from: List of Metal Gear Solid characters (FL). G.A.S 08:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC) Hm... To think of it... If the secondary characters' articles are merged, and the villains' articles are also merged, about a half of the character list in the main article will become useless and it'll be shortened again. I seem to have some troubles with finding enough reliable sources, especially for the villain part of the character list... I have no clue how to merge "The Blue Trio" properly. They were originally in one article, but it didn't really look good... Their roles in the story are too different. We're going to have to think how to organize this stuff better. 夢の騎士Yume no Kishi - Talk 15:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC) We might get away with the villians list, at least in the short term, but otherwise it might be merged into the other list. A more logical split may be original TMM in one list, and all of the others in another list. According to WP:SS the main characters should also be mentioned in the list. List of Metal Gear Solid characters is a good example of how such a character list should look; they split recurring characters into a second list due to length. For optimal results, the character section in the main article should be in paragraph form, like Metal Gear Solid's characters section. I am not quite sure of the Blue trio myself though. Good work so far! Sincerely, G.A.S 17:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC) By the above I did not mean the main characters should not have articles, just that the main characters should not be ommited from the list. In the example, Solid Snake has a section in the list, and {{main}} is used to link to his article. G.A.S 07:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC) I think I'll need some sort of a plan. Shame on me for abandoning my to-do list... We already have a minor character list, which is in a more or less decent condition. Main characters can be added there, with links to their articles - this won't be hard. We have a villain list, which can stay in a separate page or be eventually merged into the first list, in case it won't be able to reach the same quality. We have the Mew Mews' articles that are currently in an extremely poor condition. - Going to work on these. We have "The Blue Trio" - this is tricky, because they are technically one character (though their story was altered a bit in the anime, hence the last statement is disputable), and ideally they shouldn't be separated; the problem is that one of them is the main villain of the story, and the other two are supporting characters... We have two PS videogame characters - one is an ally, one is a villain - not sure where to put them. We also have the "Tokyo Black Cat Girl + Hime Azumi + Baku" set of articles - for merge. Such amount of work does require careful planning. And, if you don't mind, I would prefer to move this discussion to the talk page of one of the sandboxes, because it looks like it is going to get long. 夢の騎士Yume no Kishi - Talk 07:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC) Discussion has been moved here. You may archive this section if you wish. G.A.S 09:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
End

Also refer to User talk:Yume no Kishi/Sandbox4. G.A.S 16:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• If we make as much of the "real world" information as we can, it should justify the articles.
• Look at the main character articles of Sailor Moon and Oh My Goddess. The former does not seem to be in danger, it has at least some "real world" information, and a lot of them are good articles. The latter is in some danger, but if you look at the articles, they have no real world information whatsoever. Even in the latter's case, there is at least support to keep them as separate articles, provided real world information is added.
• I guess it is a matter of if it sounds like a fansite, it goes.
• Sincerely, G.A.S 06:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

RE:

what can I do? THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 00:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Kenealyitus

With regard to this page, where is the previous AFD that deleted it? All I see it the log is what I can only presume to be another speedy delete. Thank you. Someguy1221 04:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh man... why doesn't this tag include "previous speedy deletion"? That was what I meant... well, I've already forgotten how to use this stuff... 夢の騎士^{Yume no Kishi - Talk} 04:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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