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I am working on articles for the indian cavalry regiments maybe I should have left that link until the I had constructed the article for the Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides (Frontier Force). My intention was to seperate the cavalry from the infantry etc in the Corps of Guides (British India) Article if you feel it should be replaced until the article is completed feel free to undo the edit Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
List of Indian Divisions etc edit
I enjoyed doing it , I have done something similar with the ww2 list. I just think it make a more interesting page Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
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2/1st Nottinghamshire Battery Royal Horse Artillery edit
Hello, I'm contacting you because you appear to have a major interest in this article. It currently states they were initially equipped with the BLC 15-pounder gun. My sources about the BLC and QF 15-pounders indicate that TF RHA units got the QF gun (The German "Ehrhardt") while TF RFA units got the BLC 15-pounder (BLC = Breech Loading Converted, they were converted from old BL 15-pounders). I don't have info on individual units, so there may have been exceptions. regards, Rod Rcbutcher (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Rod, the Official History of Divisions states all the batteries of 2/2nd Mounted Division had the 15 pounder. There was a lack of equipment in the division, and it seems the BLC 15pdr was more available than the 13pdr QF which they should have had. Their big brothers, the 1/1st Notts were properly equipped with the QF, but it's possible the 2/1st were only ever a horse artillery battery on paper, as they were converted to field artillery as soon as they landed in a war zone. That said, I recall reading in an Osprey book a Field battery actually had slightly more horses than a Horse battery, so I'm not sure what exactly the difference was between horse and foot other than the divisions they were attached to. Regards, Simon. Yorkist (talk) 16:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether you are aware that there were two distinct "15 pounders" : the BLC and QF... The QF 13 pounder was a different beast again, which was limited to regular RHA units as it was supposed to be "state of the art". The two types of 15-pounders were totally obsolete and hence allocated to Territorials, who were not expected to serve overseas. RHA units were assigned to cavalry divisions, were expected to move much quicker than RFA units which were attached to relatively slow-moving infantry divisions, and the guns and equipment were optimised accordingly : all the accompanying crew with an RHA battery rode horses, hence there were no seats on the gun carriages... most of the crew of an RFA battery rode on the gun or limber, hence there were seats on the gun carriage. Hence there were seats on a BLC 15 pounder carriage, while there weren't on a QF 15 pounder carriage. Most of the historians are pretty sloppy when they refer to guns, and very few bothered to mention which "15 pounder" they are referring to. There were only 108 QF 15-pounders, so I suppose some Territorial RHA units may have got the BLC gun, as it could have met cavalry movement requirements at a pinch. regards. Rod. Rcbutcher (talk) 17:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- The Order of Battle of Divisions describes the weapons of 2/2nd Mounted as '15-pounder B.L.C. guns' so I think it's pretty clear which are meant. The article on those states they were a conversion of an older model specifically for use by TF units, and as the second-line units were created at very short notice it seems likely there wouldn't have been QF guns available to equip entire new batteries. I've stated in the 1/1st Notts article that they had the 13 pdr QF, having been in existence since 1908. I'll have to check that source now, as it may be they had the 15 pdr QF instead. There's a photo of A Batt HAC on the 1/1st Notts page- I thought those were QF 13s, do you think they're QF 15s? Simon. Yorkist (talk) 20:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether you are aware that there were two distinct "15 pounders" : the BLC and QF... The QF 13 pounder was a different beast again, which was limited to regular RHA units as it was supposed to be "state of the art". The two types of 15-pounders were totally obsolete and hence allocated to Territorials, who were not expected to serve overseas. RHA units were assigned to cavalry divisions, were expected to move much quicker than RFA units which were attached to relatively slow-moving infantry divisions, and the guns and equipment were optimised accordingly : all the accompanying crew with an RHA battery rode horses, hence there were no seats on the gun carriages... most of the crew of an RFA battery rode on the gun or limber, hence there were seats on the gun carriage. Hence there were seats on a BLC 15 pounder carriage, while there weren't on a QF 15 pounder carriage. Most of the historians are pretty sloppy when they refer to guns, and very few bothered to mention which "15 pounder" they are referring to. There were only 108 QF 15-pounders, so I suppose some Territorial RHA units may have got the BLC gun, as it could have met cavalry movement requirements at a pinch. regards. Rod. Rcbutcher (talk) 17:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Ordnance QF 15 Pounder edit
I'm interested why you've removed the Boer War info in [edit]. The statement doesn't seem unlikely, and it's referenced. I don't have the book it's referenced from, but why do you think it's 'dodgy'? Thanks, Yorkist (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- It was me who originally put that statement in. The only place I've found any reference to them in South Africa is in I V Hogg's British artillery 1914-1918, where he says in a single line that some were sent to South Africa. However, I've re-read it and he doesn't state when they arrived i.e. before the end of hostilities, or whether they were used in action. Also, I've found another source that states they weren't involved in the Boer War, and I haven't found any references to the gun in accounts of the Boer War. Major Darrel Hall wrote 2 excellent articles covering Boer War artillery and British artillery of the period and does not mention them appearing in the war : http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol025dh.html http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol021dh.html I'm currently trying to get access to a copy of Headlam's History of the Royal Artillery volume that covers the Boer War, but until then I've removed the statement as references available don't support it. regards, Rod
- I can confirm now that Headlam, in his authoritative Royal Artillery history mentions no QF 15-pounders in South Africa in the Boer War. He in fact records three types of 15-pounder : the standard 15 pounder BL, and two Elswick BL 15 pounder models (dunno what these were), but no QF model (the Ehrhardt gun was QF) - one may assume that if he was aware of it being deployed there he would have included it in the list, because elsewhere in the history he describes in some detail the story of Brit acquisition of the Ehrhardt gun - he was well aware of its significance as the first true quickfiring field gun in British use. regards, Rod. Rcbutcher (talk) 03:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
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