Yetanotherkontributor

March 2019

Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Johns Hopkins, as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". That was not a minor edit, and it changed the meaning of the sentence. It was common for the end of new enslavements not to correspond with general emancipation or manumission. You might want to read WP:POV too. Meters (talk) 21:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

My bad for misunderstanding the 'minor edit' label. I disagree on the scholarly and historiographical issue. In accordance with contemporary historiography the term enslavement is used to denote not "new enslavement" as you put it but all enslavement including ongoing. This rhetorical evolution has taken place in order to not, anymore, obscure the fact that enslavement of people requires cruelty and abuse against any enslaved person anew every single day. See for instance the 2016 monograph The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism by Edward E. Baptist. In that sense, the old phrasing in the article which is by now outdated and only used in lay circles and that you re-instated is by no means neutral as the POV rules you cited demand. Yetanotherkontributor (talk) 21:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to raise the issue on the article's talk page and attempt to get consensus for your change.We have many articles that use the terms "emancipation" and "manumission". You're certainly going to have your work cut out for you if you want to convince the editors of all those articles to replace those terms with "stopped enslaving people".or the equivalent. Regardless of what "contemporary historiography" would prefer us to use, the terms are not always synonymous, as I've pointed out. Another example would be a person who did not own slaves but then inherited slaves, and immediately freed them. It's not accurate to say that they "stopped enslaving people" since they did never did so in the first place. Meters (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)