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Hutton - Bedser trap

"After the day's play, former Australian Test leg spinner Bill O'Reilly and former teammate of Bradman, now a journalist, consulted Bedser on his use of leg theory. O'Reilly had much experience in attacking leg stump in his career and devised a plan to ensnare Bradman.[46]"

Do we have any other source for this that it was O'Reilly who suggested it ? The anthology The Joy of cricket contains a piece from a book by Alec Bedser. I don't remember what book it was but this four page chapter was titled Even Bradman had battles to fight and is about him bowling to Bradman. It does not contain a word about O'Reilly. Bedser said that they had noticed even in the 1946-7 tour that they could keep Bradman in check by bowling on a leg stump line. From what I remember, Bedser seemed to suggest that it was Norman Yardley and himself who planned it. It has been a decade since I last read it, so my memory could be faulty but it may be worth a check (Joy of cricket is a popular book). Tintin 04:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The Bedser book was Cricket Choice. Tintin 04:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, a lot, because a lot of them cut and paste Fingleton all over the place, and Roland Perry's book of the tour is basically a rip-off of Fingo and then inflated to 3X the size with inane mumblings. The leg trap one is definitely in there but the article has now been changed to saw that O'Reilly help to refine the plan. Bedser of course already got Bradman with it once in 1946-47. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 05:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Good to see you back again. All books have errors so you're needed. Even the Frith and Haigh book on Cricket Australia's archives published in 2007 has a few. Said that ENG/Aus declared at 8/68 and 8/32 in the Brisbane sticky of 1950-51, and that SRW's men won 7 in a row in WC99, they forgot about the tie....Fingo has a few, saying that Loxton debuted at OT when he played the previous season in Tests and a few others. Fingo seems a bit in the Roebuck mould, not too concerned with specific data. Each time Roebuck talks on radio he likes to be wishy-washy with the stats, especially in ODIs he likes being even more vague about the last game which was only three days ago. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 05:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Is there any Australian player Roebuck actually likes? All you here from him is what everyone has done wrong. I thought Neil Manthorp was very good while he was over here commenting on ABC radio.Aaroncrick^{(Tassie talk)} 09:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Will go through them. But life is tough at the moment and am hardly reading anything cricket these days :-( Tintin 03:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• I looked up some numbers at random. In the fourth Test Australia needed 404 in 345 minutes. When Bradman joined Morris, the target was 347 in 257 - which means they made 57 in 88 minutes. Later it is said that Australia were 1/96 from 90 minutes. So they made 39 runs in two minutes ? (Cricinfo says that Hassett batted for 74 minutes - if that is true, it is the second set of numbers that are wrong).

I'll have a check of that. If there is a conflict then Perry is an idiot. Although Fingo is also a bit airy-fiary on hard facts. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Perry's cacked it again. Although his errors tend to make the numbers more dramatic, which have led some respected pundits to say they were deliberate. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 02:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Upon reaching 153, he threw away his wicket with a lofted cover drive. - Don't the sources say that he deliberately chose Bedser to give up his wicket ?

That too, he deliberately started aiming sixes when Bedser was bowling. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

There is not much about his captaincy. For eg, it is never mentioned how he used the fast bowlers to the fullest, and underused Toshack & co (wish Phanto were here !) Tintin 04:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, indeed. Phanto was a real scholar. And got upset when no disrepsect was ever intended. Although Toshack broke down....YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Laurie Nash

Hey, noticed you did a clean up on Laurie Nash; thanks. Obviously it still has a long way to go to FA Quality but I was wondering how you thought it was shaping up. Any particular advice? --Roisterer (talk) 04:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, Nash obviously completely misread Woodfull when he thought Woodfull would be impressed with a barrage of short pitched bowling. However, I wouldn't go as far as Frith, who basically labels Nash as some simple-minded thug. --Roisterer (talk) 12:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Ekajati

Hey there! Can you tell whether or not 86.69.135.61 is Ekky or this Frampton fellow? (Hm, forgot to sign!) Dan (talk) 08:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

IP traces to France. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 01:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Banana deposited. A related one on this: User:Will_in_China looks to have the same editing behaviour, and existing knowledge of Wikipedia, as Ekky. Would it be possible for you to check if this is another sock? Coldmachine^Talk 08:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The answer to that is technically no, I think, since WC used Tor. Dan (talk) 08:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

WIC is also stale from ages ago. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Miller biography

Do you have a copy of cricket crossfire? Trying to think of where to get sources to diversify the Refs on Miller's articles. Obviously general criket books can be used in most of the matchplay bits but the war period needs a biog I think. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 06:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes I do. In fact it is sitting right next to me at the moment! Ponsford's biographer mentioned that Ponsford was Miller's childhood idol and I plan to have a look through the book to see what it says about the topic. Rather annoyingly it does not have an index! Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 06:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It's an awkward book. The book is arranged by topic, rather than in any chronological order and has more about Miller's opinions on cricket and cricketers than reflections on his own life. The war section is surprisingly limited, saying very little of his actions other than his close calls, which he blames on himself. Nothing about a Beethoven detour, the section about his CO at Gloucester stops short of the charge and there is little else. I will wade through it over the next day or two. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 07:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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DHN (talk) 16:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for teeing it up YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 02:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Anstey Hill Recreation Park

Hi and thanks, your help so far and any further is wonderful....when you have time from the many great articles on the physics of historic Vietnamese cricket matches you have on the go. - Peripitus (Talk) 03:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, all the best, I should think about it some more. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

history of education in India

I was planing a rewrite of history of education in India since late February but could not get to it earlier due to time constraints. I have rewritten it recently. Don't forget to take a look and thanks in advance for your time :) JSR 0562 19:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Noted. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

rfar you might want to help with

Hi, a dispute where your name has come up a few times is now at RFAR. Maybe you can advise us? John Vandenberg ^(chat) 09:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

?? Well, I haven't edited the article since Skatergal popped up except to lock. I think the edits are fairly self-explanatory. As for the lack of interest from WT:INB, not entirely surprising. AM I not supposed to intervene, or am I supposed to. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Sincere question

I wanted to ask you this a long long time back. But never did coz' it was off-wiki-ish and too personal. But anyways, I ll do the honours today.

Why is an Australian so interested in stuff related to India? We all know the ugly Border-Gavaskar saga. I have also seen some uncharitable rebukes from India POVists on your talk page. But still there is no loss of interest on your side! You still revert vandalism on India-related pages, still check into discussions related to WP:IND...n dude... you also are responsible for elevating articles on Indian cricketers (which includes monkeygate villian Harbhajan Singh!) to FA or GA status...Either you are crazy or God! Whatever it is... you amaze me! Same question bout Vietnam --KnowledgeHegemony ^talk 13:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Mostly cultural reasons, relating to Buddhist culture. Asoka, Nalanda and all that. I guess the cricket doesn't hurt. I'm not too worried about the troublemakers per se, whether they were Islamist/BJP/regional ethnic/LTTE/Bollywood/Khalistan although I think a lot of the seniors didn't/don't do their share of dealing with idiots or doing work but are busy with gathering disciples, subtle self-promotion and climbing the ladder and whatnot so that cheeses me off. The other thing was that I thought some of them were being duplicitous, double dealing and running sting operations against each other, which turned me off a bit. There were some really trivial ego clashes there. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I've scaled back my participation on India articles since mid-2007, I'm hardly as pro-active there as I used to be, especially with dealing with disputes as I think I'll be blamed if something goes haywire, although others are quick to say "we" everywhere if the project goes on a FA/GA boom even if they didn't do the work themselves and blame others for their own screwed up double deals. Too much bandwagoneering. I've stopped writing new India articles, and haven't done any new article work since then, except to upload bits and pieces from the depths of my computer, or to keep Bhajji, Irfan Pathan, Murali Kartik and Dinesh Karthik up to speed as they are all FA/GA. Reverting watchlists don't take much time at all. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Although hardly anyone wants to do the dirty work so sometimes vandalism on Indira/Sanjay/Rajiv/Sonia/Rahul Gandhi stays a long time. Once I didn't check my full watchlist for a week and some vandal put in that they were Muslims with secret circumcisions and it stayed there. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I am ethnic Vietnamese: Nguyen. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

		The India Star
		YellowMonkey deserves this honour for his innumerable contributions to WP:IND! Thanks you! Cheers! -- KnowledgeHegemony talk 07:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Looking for advice about the spam queue

A lot of articles show up in the db-spam queue that are about Indian educational or community service organizations. I'd like to get some feedback from some editors living in India on how to handle these; is there some website or some kind of search that would help us decide which institutions are notable? For instance, New article appearing on wikepedia has a link to un.org that mentions the subject favorably; is that important? (Watchlisting) - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 11:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I don't live in India and so don't have the knowhow to understand the importance of obscure pseudo-borderline notable things. Only the flagrant nonsense. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

CfD

I hate to say it but I just knew this would happen. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 March 4#Category:Shane Warne. I don't know why I bother. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 20:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Grumble. How boring. Categories are just organisational devices and it's not like this one pushes POV or spam or nn-ities. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations!

		The Military history A-Class medal
		For prolific work on – Military career of Keith Miller, Keith Miller and 1964 Brinks Hotel bombing – promoted to A-Class between February and March 2009, by order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the Milhist A-Class medal. -MBK004 00:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again, YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Seraphimblade/Bollywood

Thank you for protecting the Bollyarticle and blocking this user.

On a more lightened note, do you know when the IPL games start? I hope Zinta does not end up crying in the last match LOL... BTW, have you seen Slumdog Millionaire? Shahid • ^Talk2me 06:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

April 19 IIRC. I think there's a pretty good chance that she will end up crying again this year, perhaps earlier than the semifinals. I think Rajasthan, Chennai and Delhi will be leading the way again. Some of the Rajasthan players like Ravindra Jadeja, Siddharth Trivedi and Yusuf Pathan have improved even more after working with Warne in the first IPL, Delhi will have Vettori for the whole season this year and got some cunning buys of uncapped Australian players before the auction, CSK bought Flintoff. IIRC Punjab got a bit lucky in one game against Delhi where it was rained out after about 3 overs, and because they were ahead after three overs they won. And another one where VRV Singh lost the plot against Mumbai in the last over and luckily for them when Mumbai needed a quick single the batsman hit it straight to Yuvraj and he jumped on the stumps. They'll probably work out Shaun Marsh as well. Still funny that a billionaire and proven businessman like Mallya bought a ridiculously cosnervative Test team and got smacked everywhere. I would have thought SRK and PZ would have been the ones more prone to silly decisions, but there you go. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

No I haven't watched Slumdog, or any other movies at all recently, except some random patter on free to air TV. They haven't had Bollywood month (only about 4 per year) for about a year now, and they keep on repeating the same ones, including a few annoying SAK ones. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I hope she doesn't cry if she doesn't get Canada's academy award. She's nominated for Genie Award for Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role.

That's where you draw your Bollywood awareness from...! Are there any Bollywood films you liked in particular?

And you won't believe this, Bollywood now has its own Razzie Awards, nominations announced... [1]... Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I haven't watched many. In order of watching ... Asoka (ridiculous history, a soap, pretty silly), DDLJ (good, with obligatory slapstick flirting etc....), Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam (big thumbs down, although Salman playing the popstar, as always playing himself rather than the character amused me), Devdas (very boring), Karan Arjun (good, mainly because it wasn't so serious, it took its ridiculousness in its stride), Baazigar (good although the blood was a bit much), The SRK/SAK/PZ in USA one (stopped after half an hour), Main Hoon Na (ridiculous, a 40-yo student), Don't Say A Word (Bachan and Rai one - cheesy as), Hil De Chuke Sanam (too pompous, notwithstanding the ridicolous slapstick by Salman in the first half hour), an adaptation of a famous Bengali novel with SAK as some rich businessman's son who demolishes the wall separating him and his love (down with SAK), Lagaan (the best), Mangal Pandey (good, although I was told it was fake history afterwards)....Basically AK is good, Salman is good for slapstick, SRK is only worth watching with Kajol, they were good together. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I nominate SAK's pink shirts....YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA!!!! Oh my, you saw some of the uper-commercial films and most of what you mentioned I personally hate, though I like Baazigar, Kal Ho Naa Ho, Lagaan and DDLJ. Have you not seen Salaam Namaste? I find it light and fun and I really thought you saw this, don't know why. I don't like SAK films. The old ones particularly suck. But he has now improved tremendously, Omkara and Hum Tum were good. I do like SRK and SK films though. Salman, because he is always playing himself LOL and I liked his work in Jab Pyaar Kisise Hota Hai. SRK's great (I also HATE Asoka!!! And Devdas was a real boredom I agree), if you liked his Baazigar (watch Anjaam, he is even worse in it), Karan Arjun (oh I don't like it, I liked it as a child) and DDLJ, who knows you may also like Yes Boss, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai (+Kajol LOL). And if you liked Lagaan, you may like Swades made by Gowariker and Chak De India. I like Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa and Pardes (film) of SRK...

Don't Say a Word? That's soo bad. I'm really sorry you had to go through this. Well, nice to know that you liked some. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Salaam Namaste - how could I forget. Yes I did see that. A totally crude/slapstick version of DDLJ with no charm, eg the social difficulties of Simran's conservative family situation. SAK and the American Pieification of Bollywood. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 08:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh have you not watched Dil Chahta Hai and Rang De Basanti? I'm almost sure you'll like them. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure you're talking about Salaam Namaste? How is it a version of DDLJ? I liked the as I found it funny in its way. It is by no means a great film, but I enjoyed it and I liked SAK and PZ in it. Shahid • ^Talk2me 09:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I was. The one in Melbourne with SAK as the cook. Not so much with the family situation, but with the love-hate slapstick type thing of DDLJ. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok!! LOL!! This is that kind of a film which is either liked or hated to death. LOL... But I'm in the middle: Not great but entertaining. If you are reminded of any other Bollyfilms which you have watched let me now... I wanna know LOL.. Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

User:BlueHulk

Hey Bln!

I would like to report that I strongly suspect (well, almost sure) BlueHulk (talk · contribs) is a sock puppet of Al Deniro (talk · contribs), who had many other sock puppets like Martineejames (talk · contribs) and others. All these accounts were blocked indefinitely for vandalising the Bollywood article and The List of Top Bollywood Films articles.

I'm not sure if you will be able to get it via checkuser because their IP is changing everytime. What I can assure is that the IP begins with "117...". Shahid • ^Talk2me 16:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. But there is something even more frustrating called 91.130.91.92 (talk · contribs). As you know, A. R. Rahman won two Oscars. His lead included a mention of awards he won, Filmfare Awards, National Awards, Golden Globe, BAFTA, Oscars. This user started removing Filmfare Awards (which is one of the most veteran and prominent ceremonies in India) claiming they are not notable, reverting everyone who even dared to mention it. And he himself started adding Tamil Nadu State Film Awards, which is a relatively new and even more non-notable ceremony.

Well, Jagged started a discussion about this anon on the talk page. The anon just repeated that it is POV and that Filmfare is just stupid and so on and on and on. Jagged cited sources proving the importance and prominence of Filmfare. In fact, it is well known that National Film Awards and Filmfare are the most prominent film functions.

But it doesn't help, and despite warnings, consensus and obvious facts, he keeps reverting it all the time. He says on the talk, "I will never allow it to be on this page" or something... He clearly does it because of POV issues, which you may already guess (I think you were involved quite a lot with Indian editors).

Please help me with that. BTW, the article has been extensively edited and vandalised since his Oscar win fwiw. Shahid • ^Talk2me 07:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

WOW that was fast, thank you. Let's see how long it takes until account socks of these anons turn up LOL. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

And I now get a warning from another anon, 195.64.23.130 (talk · contribs). I think both these anons already have accounts judging by their edits. But it will be clearer if a registered user starts doing similar edits. Can it be checked? Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Didn't I tell you? Rajapalani (talk · contribs) - the first sock. I'm sure. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Rajapalani has been logging out and doubling up on his IP, not the 195. You can remove the warnings of course. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh God! Is this Clubover a sockpuppet? I can't believe. Thank you for taking time to chack it. Well Rajapalani (talk · contribs) just amazes me with his nonsense edits. He removes the Filmfare Awards completely. I've warned him. Let's see.

The fact is that this issue does not even need a consensus. Filmfare is the most prominent and veteran film ceremony in India along with National Film Awards. That's a fact. This user claims that State awards are more notable, which is a joke (a ceremony that has been held for some 10 years. Merely has general notability but no particular prominence whatsoever. But anyway, his user page clearly shows why he does that. Do you guess?). Jagged cited sources for Filmfare being prominent, and I offered to give even more and many other reliable sources from internet and books. I asked him to find some for State Awards as well. What do you say?

Are you sure Bollywood-Turk (talk · contribs) is not a SP? (come on, a newly registered user who knows everything about how Wikipedia works, protection, signatures, and as he logs in he instantly visits the ARR page? LOL) Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I haven't checked him yet. I thought it might be 91 getting an account, but if both the IP and the new account edit, that isn't allowed. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

BT used to be an IP. If he double dips I'll block him. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 02:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know too much about these other state awards unfortunately. Clubover was one of 6-7 Tamil long-terms socks for piling up on Tamil culture and Tamil Tigers. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 02:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)