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Can you disable my rollback rights till the sp thing is solved ,please ? (I'm really confused )NotedGrant Talk 05:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that's really necessary at this point. Do you have a little brother or something with whom you maintain a healthy sibling rivalry? You appear to be a constructive user and I would like to believe that you wouldn't have bothered with the tomfoolery of the Sv account. –xeno^talk 13:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

yes I have a brother he's 14 ,he's not interested in wp it possibly can't be him.I use different places to sign in to my account (college,work,or any place where I can obtain a connection (open wireless networks) ) .I'm not an sp,I spend most of time here reverting vandalism ,being accused(confirmed) of being an sp is rather disheartning --117.97.31.118 (talk) 19:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess just keep your nose clean and hopefully this will just blow over. –xeno^talk 19:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

80kb @ an/i

High five-digits in green sure attracts attention. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

No doubt... Half expected an ASCII goatse =) –xeno^talk 14:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

My Next Wikipedia Landmark... sort of

I just created my first page. Or, I would have done, had that page not already existed and I hadn't noticed. D'oh! Regardless, I thought you might want to have a look, see how I did (and then hit me with a trout for messing up): here it is and here is the talk page I would have created. Here is the actual page. I like mine better (and I'm totally not biased). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 12:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

You should merge them... –xeno^talk 17:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Prepare for an inane question. What and how? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Take whatever useful information already exists at Fable III, merge it with your sandbox, then copy the sandbox over the article. –xeno^talk 16:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, you mean manually. I thought you meant the merge feature, and I have no clue how that works. At all. I don't even use it on Microsoft Word. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

In the process of doing it. Hopefully, I should be able to do it this afternoon. So I presume you liked my attempt to create a page? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

You really need to be quick on the draw to be the one who gets that first edit for a newly announced game. –xeno^talk 12:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The last I'd heard, the page had been deleted and when I first got the idea of creating it myself, I was offline for a while, so I never got to check. I'm currently in the process of checking my links. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. Fable III is now different. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

553 more words and you might've qualified for DYK =) (five-fold expansion) –xeno^talk 16:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

What are the DYK things anyway? I've never found one, just heard of them. But I presume they're good? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

See WP:DYK, and WP:DYKAR. Essentially it's an incentive for editors to expand new stubs, by giving them a chance to have a small segment of their article appear on the main page. By the way, excellent work on Fable III. (Though I enjoyed the previous two, I wonder if Molyneux's games ever live up to his claims. He keeps setting us up for disappointment!) BlazerKnight (talk) 11:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

So, basically, mini-barnstars? Darn. If only I had more information (or there was more of the old article to incorporate). :P Thanks for the compliment. I alternate between general maintenance on articles to massive edits that rewrite the whole thing. There is no explanation for or pattern to these decisions. As for Molyneux, personally, I think it's a good thing that he has such high ambitions. In my view, it's always better to have stupidly high ambitions, even beyond the engine's limitations, and make the best game you can rather than have set your sights on the attainable and likely make a mediocre game. After all, a lot of Fable I's promised features appeared in Fable II. Therefore, it'll likely continue through the series. To which I say, go Molyneux! --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Xeno, I just answered a question on your talk page, do I qualify as one of your ~250 talk page stalkers? If so, where do I collect my medal? :) On a completely unrelated note, regarding your username: I like Orson Scott Card's fiction too, but recently found out (partially through Wikipedia, heh) about his stance on same-sex marriage, which annoys me and made me lose some respect for the guy. What do you think?

Thejadefalcon: Yeah, I too look forward to Molyneux's next crazy idea. Looking through your user page, it looks like we have many similar interests (I'm on fanfiction.net too, same username as here). Re: the mini-discussion I started on L4D2's talk page, I don't want to turn it into a forum thread, so I hope Xeno won't mind me continuing here. What I was wondering about was the reaction of Australian boycotters. They boycott a game in rage, then suddenly everyone else can't buy it anyway, making their boycott kinda moot. Pretty ironic turn of events I'd say. BlazerKnight (talk) 11:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

[1] =) Yea, I actually only learned of OSC's views after my RFA. –xeno^talk 12:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

[2] :) (Sorry for hijacking this thread...) I first learnt of his views when I read some gaming news about a possible Shadow Complex boycott. Then I looked him up on Wikipedia... sigh. For such a forward-thinking writer, he seems to be stuck in a rigid mindset. Think it's his Mormon upbringing? BlazerKnight (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea, it's unfortunate that his personal views have coloured people's views about his work. I've only read the Enderverse, but I didn't pick up any of his more controversial views in his writings. –xeno^talk 13:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

		The Adoption Barnstar
		This barnstar is for your outstanding niceness in adopting me. Thank you! You've guided me through the confusing early stages and answered my incessant questions. You're awesome! BlazerKnight (talk) 01:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey thanks! They weren't incessant, really. Happy to help =) –xeno^talk 01:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

What about my questions? :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

They're fine too...Except this one ^ ;p –xeno^talk 19:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

True, true. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Locking Gandhi

Gandhi is featured today as a Google Doodle bc today is the day he died. Locking his page until 2010 is ludicrous. At most lock it for 3days-1week. 70.108.113.76 (talk) 13:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Unprotected, but if it is vandalized heavily I will need to re-protect. –xeno^talk 13:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Reprotected. Too much schoolboy vandalism. –xeno^talk 15:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

A few days should be enough protection. He would have been 140 today, if still alive of course!. This is just another happy birthday vandalism. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 15:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

This page has been a constant target of school-boy vandalism, birthday or otherwise. The article was indefinitely semi-protected until I came to it on Feb 19, 2009. I've found these "high school subjects" are perennial targets. I don't have the time nor the knowledge of the subject to babysit anonymous edits, if you want to unprotect or reduce the length, you have my blessing. –xeno^talk 15:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll give it a shot next week. Gandhi would have wanted us to try! :-) --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 22:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

? edit conflict

• < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hopiakuta&diff=317585491&oldid=317491434 >.

Also, whereas your page does send individual edit notes, during edit, is it feasible, please, to explain, how?

[[ hopiakutaPlease do sign your communiqué.~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina.]] 08:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the IP user restored my explanation, but you can remove it if you want. It was not me. The individual edit notes is an WP:Editnotice, you can make one by editing this page: User talk:Hopiakuta/Editnotice. –xeno^talk 12:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Further, the page wikipedia:requests_for_arbitration, does seem to freeze my explorer, &, I have rebooted,...

You have compiled several of my complaints; please, I, hereby, request, find some way to forward them to something of that sort.

If there are user:xenocidic [your previous] & user:xenophrenic, then, please, how many xeno, zeno, & similar, are there?

[[ hopiakutaPlease do sign your communiqué.~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina.]] 10:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The WP:RFAR page is probably too lengthy for your browser. You could compile your thoughts in User:Hopiakuta/sandbox and then I could forward them, but I don't think the Arbitration Committee is the right body to look at them.

You can see how many Xeno's there are by clicking: Special:Listusers/Xeno and "Zeno": Special:Listusers/Zeno. –xeno^talk 12:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I am going to paste this list on my page, so that I can spend several hours on it, hopefully avoiding some of that annoying edit conflict; there, I shall expand my comments.

If you & I miscommunicate, &, if I inadvertently insult you, please do ask me to clarify my intent. Also, you might ask whether my mood or opinion have evolved.

Thank You.

[[ hopiakutaPlease do sign your communiqué.~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina.]] 13:00, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I does appear you've become increasingly frustrated, and especially when people have undone your edits. Just do remember that most people are acting in good faith and their edits are intended to improve Wikipedia, just as yours are. However we don't always agree on what is an improvement! –xeno^talk 13:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:INDIANA assessment

Hello! Sorry I missed you RfB, I would totally supported that! I wish they would allow cavassing. But then again I am radical! haha!

I think that we can go ahead and try to auto assess WP:INDIANA article with Xenobot whenever you feel up to it. I do have a couple question, it looks like you use one or more assessments from other articles to determine the assessment your bot will make. I would like to only take an assessment if at least two projects have already rated it. If, for example, Project A assessess as stub and Project B assesses as Start, will you apply a Start, Stub, or no class to the article? (Stubwould seem like the correct awnser to me)

Also, is there a paremeter you will add to the project template that will cause it to go into a category or inform the viewer that it was assessed automtatically? User:Betacommandbot (RIP) used to do something like this as I recall, but hunting through the difs I can't find it. So maybe I imagined it. I know it at least put a note on the talk page. If no such paremeter exists, could the bot at minimum add a category on the talk pages where you make an assessment. Something like Category:Auto assessed Indiana articles? I just think that at some point it will be benficial for humans eyes to manually check things, and also to make sure the reader knows it is an auto assessment.

No hurry on anything, and if you are busy I totally understand. Thanks Xeno! —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 14:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• Sure, I can instruct the bot to only tag where at least two projects have rated it.
• Thus far, I've just been not tagging in even strength disagreements.
  • What I'll do is generate a report of the disagreements and you can look them over and confirm you want me to tag as the lower class.
• I can use auto=XX where XX is the rating and I can sort out your banner to put them in the category and provide a note about it.
• Do you want me to run the 'default importance' as well? Should I use "autoimport=yes" for the param?

I'll try to start this task in the next couple days. –xeno^talk 14:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes you can run the default importance as well. About half our categories are assigned one now, other half are too complex. I think the importance paremeter is less important, it is really more of an internal thing, but adding a paremter for that would be fine too. In all reality we only have a pretty small core of articles of major importance, and they are already defined as such. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 15:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

If you looking for an automated alert system to let you know about assessment changes, check out the Version 1.0 Editorial Team's Assessment Bot... You can set up an automated alert system like we use at WP:Micronations, (see it here)... There's no way to flag it as auto assessed, but you at least will know what changes were made to the assessment... Maybe not exactly what you are looking for, but just my attempt to help... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

That could be useful, I will take a look at it. Our projects primary problem is manpower. There is only about four of us who are regularly active within the project. Anything we can do to help with that is a good thing. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 15:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello again. Reywas hasn't responded, so I would say go ahead with the tagging of quality and importance. I think less than half the articles you tag will be able to take a default importance anyway, and in those cases the importance is pretty well clear cut. I personally don't care one way or the other, anything that cuts down on manual work is good though in my book. :) —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 12:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

only one rating available two available three 4,5 6,7 8,9 10+ notes default Y if only a single rating is available Y if they agree if 2+ agree 3+ 4+ 5+ 6+ WP:CHICAGO (categories) conservative N do not tag Y if they agree same as above WP:INDIANA (categories)

 Task running... I've tweaked your template slightly [3] and created

• Category:Automatically assessed Indiana articles
• Category:Automatically prioritized Indiana articles

  Just for the initial run for quality control. Afterwards, if you decide you don't need them, you can delete them. –xeno^talk 02:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

By the way, you can undo this edit if you'd like a visual representation noting the class inheritance over and above the hidden category. –xeno^talk 02:42, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

•  Done 993 edits that set an importance (30 mid, rest low) and may have set a class, 735 edits that set a class and/or moved the Bio template for living persons to the top (fixing edits from July run).

• Observe 580 articles that might be classable, but bot's logic won't presently operate with only 1 tag (unless it is "list" - which I figured would be fine). Take a look at let me know if you want me to run over it again and tag if only a single tag is present (bot will still skip even strength disagreements). –xeno^talk 05:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

• +121 net-new tags. –xeno^talk 06:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Chicago tagging

Pknkly (talk · contribs) has added several cats to WP:CHIBOTCATS. Could you rerun the bot over these cats to check for new articles.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, after I complete the Indiana request above. –xeno^talk 16:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you want me to inherit assessments at the same time? –xeno^talk 16:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes please, if it is not too much trouble.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Where are we in the queue?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Right behind Indiana.Been slacking, I know ;> –xeno^talk 14:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to try and get to this soon. By Sunday I hope. Note I found a handful of articles in CHIBOTCATS that really oughtn't be [4] (mostly looks like sandboxes, should go thru and 'nowiki' the mainspace categories). –xeno^talk 14:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Some of those are Chicago articles people are working on or that were userfied after an ADF deletion. Maybe we should leave those alone so that when the article is moved to the mainspace we will see it right away. Thoughts welcome though on problems with this approach.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

That's fine as long as they are being actively edited, but if they haven't been edited in a long while, the mainspace cats should be nowiki'd. (User:RMelon/Sandbox, for example, hasn't been edited by the owner since March). –xeno^talk 15:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess Pknkly may have a system for handling these. What is going on with the tagging update.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Hoping to get to it this weekend. See WP:CHIBOTCATS/LOG for a sneak peek. –xeno^talk 15:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

•  Task running... I bumped you guys ahead of INDIANA because they need some tweaking for default importance. –xeno^talk 21:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
  • There's some interstate crossover here? Didn't know metropolitan areas crossed state lines! –xeno^talk 22:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
    •  Done FYI someone has taken umbrage with the bots' order set: [5] [6], it looks like some of these metropolitan areas may be catching too much (e.g. an article in a non-IL state historic enough that the subject was not part of the Chicago metropolitan area). –xeno^talk 00:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Xeno, nice run! Your bot caught all my errors where I didn't tag the new categories I created. At the time I created them I didn't know they needed the Chicago tag. Know better now - I'll clean up my errors. As for the two articles questioned by User talk:Wuhwuzdat, your bot worked as it should have. Seems Wuhwuzdat may not realize that Chicago metro area pages are within the scope of the Chicago Project. Can't blame Wuhwuzdat, the name of the project implies only Chicago. Sent him a message about articles being in scope. Pknkly (talk) 22:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Searching

Is there any way to search all of a page's history for a version that has a certain phrase in it. Because I know what I'm looking for (a certain edit to Halo 3: ODST that isn't in the current revision), but I have no idea where it is and I'm looking through hundreds of edits for it. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 11:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I've now found the information, 921 edits down the list, but it'd be useful to know in future if there is a search button somewhere. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 11:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, in the 'history' tab there is a "Revision history search". It's kinda quirky but works most of the time. –xeno^talk 12:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Where is this revision history search button? I don't see it... I'm using the Acai usability beta, if that makes any difference. BlazerKnight (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

When you click history there is a line "External tools: External tools: Revision history statistics · Revision history search · Page view statistics" close to the top. This may not be in the beta. –xeno^talk 21:00, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I turned off the beta for awhile, but the external tool thing isn't there. You sure it isn't some optional setting you enabled? BlazerKnight (talk) 07:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it should be there for all by default... –xeno^talk 07:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

??? BlazerKnight (talk) 07:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

This looks like a job for The Village Pump Technical! –xeno^talk 07:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Up, up and away! BlazerKnight (talk) 08:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

← Peculiar, that - them not letting you Brits have the nice toys. Try this. –xeno^talk 22:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, xeno. That's annoying. Surely it can't be that hard to put them in all versions of the English Wikipedia, he says without any knowledge of coding. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't be that hard... I would have to poke around a bit though... –xeno^talk 15:41, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I used the link you gave for the new thing I needed and it worked. Thanks. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Confused on inherited importance

Explain the inherited assessment of Talk:John F. Kennedy Memorial Bridge to me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:Bridges in Indiana is listed as "low importance by default" at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indiana/Categories. Importance isn't inherited, the WikiProjects must segregate categories based on importance. I think Pknkly had made steps towards this for CHI. –xeno^talk 07:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Please see User:Pknkly/TempWork01 for the area where I put together a workspace if we were to go forward.Pknkly (talk) 23:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Usurpation request of "X"

I understand I must not take the username as a result of being confused with an active admin, so am I allowed to remove the request myself and file for a new one, or do I have to wait until it is denied? ^(C/SGT)G2sai_(talk) 21:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

you can remove it. –xeno^talk 21:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Bot Category List

Hello, Xeno. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Bot Category List.
Message added 21:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Saw that you questioned including Category:Kenosha County, Wisconsin and then found the answer. Thought I would let you know about plans to include all the large cities and towns given within Template:Chicagoland. Pknkly (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Email

Understood; epistemological issues, but I won't press it. Cheers,  Skomorokh, barbarian  03:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Xenobot Mk V not obeying Bots deny tag

On Oct 3, you placed a {{Bots|deny=Xenobot Mk V}} tag on Talk:Kankakee, Beaverville and Southern Railroad, however, it appears that your bot disregarded that tag the very next day. WuhWuzDat 14:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. There were two or three edits wherein I manually instructed Xenobot Mk V to ignore the tag, because the tag was placed for the Chicago tag under dispute but this was an Indiana assessment, and did not add any new templates. –xeno^talk 15:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, that explains it. It would probably be a programming nightmare, but, would it be possible to add a "per project" deny tag? WuhWuzDat 15:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Yes, it's certainly possible and wouldn't really be that painful... ({{bots|deny=Xenobot Mk V (Chicago)}} or something). As it stands now, I just review the skipped pages at the end of the task and see if the denial was appropriate - I think it's easier this way (for now).

It would be ideal to ensure the instructions given to the bot are proper though - but I know there's been some dispute over how far WP Chicago's scope reaches... –xeno^talk 15:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the project seems to be suffering from urban sprawl, already spreading its mantle over parts of Wisconsin, and seems to be heading for world domination. WuhWuzDat 15:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

AlexNewArtBot/PornFeedNameLog

Hi. Why was this issue tagged as resolved, when the bot continues to add BLP articles to this porn log? Not every wikipedia user or wikipedia reader understands what a bot is, or is acquainted with the the functions of a bot. The message left behind in the mind of the casual wikipedia user who clicks on the "What links here" link, and sees the AlexNewArtBot/PornFeedNameLog entry in the list, is that somehow the subject of the BLP article is connected to porn. Rlevse has asked the owner of the bot to fix the issue, but evidently this hasn't been done, as this bot continues to add non-pornographic articles into this porn-log list. Could you pls look into this issue? For this purpose, to stop this bot from including non-pornographic articles into the porn-log-list I have brought up the issue to WP:ANI - but the issue was closed without the the issue being solved properly. Your admin help is needed here please. Thanks. Amsaim (talk) 23:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

What if it were renamed? –xeno^talk 02:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

removing the word "porn" from the bot's name would be a good idea, however, the list will still be a list of porn-related articles mixed together with BLP articles and non-porn related articles. I do not understand why this bot is allowed to be active the way it is. If the owner of the bot wants the bot to gather newly created porn-related articles , then it is the responsibility of the bot owner to program the bot correctly. If evidence has been brought forward proving that the bot is not functioning properly, then this bot must be deleted or programmed correctly. Even when the bot is renamed, the ruleset of that bot still reveals clearly what the bot is all about. So, to fix this problem, the owner has to go to the root of the issue (which is wrong programming of the bot). Thank you. Amsaim (talk) 11:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The subpage could be renamed to something more innocuous. Worrying about the ruleset is a bit of a stretch - if someone digs that deep they'll know these are just log entries and might not always be right.

The bot isn't programmed wrong, as someone mentioned elsewhere, it gives a report of the confidence level whether or not an article is part of a particular WikiProjects' scope. –xeno^talk 12:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

renaming the subpage is a good idea and would solve the issue, provided the new name does not contain any other association to the word porn, adult, or some other nocuous word. Amsaim (talk) 21:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I was thinking something like AlexNewArtBot/PPFeedNameLog or something. –xeno^talk 21:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Since you're around

Could you please block User:Guitarherochristopher? He's been warned more than enough times to stop using his userpage as a blog. There are allegedly mental health issues at play, which is why I have tried to step delicately, but even giving him his own wiki to play with hasn't had much effect. → ROUX ₪ 18:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Remember what happened last time I tried to show someone to the door for not contributing to the encyclopedia? –xeno^talk 18:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

aw shit, sorry. I forgot about that. I think it's unlikely to be uncontroversial in this case, but I can take to AIV if you prefer. → ROUX ₪ 18:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe try MFD the userpage? Or ANI? The edits that ARE in the mainspace aren't great. –xeno^talk 18:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Links

It is allowed. It's discouraged, but allowed. Besides, I am also fixing disambiguations too. This is especially annoying when I am fixing a spelling error or name of a game to the correct name. That is called proofreading.

Since you seem to object to fixing redirects so much, go take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional Wrestling, where some users keep going around changing links from [[ECW on Syfy]] and [[ECW on Sci Fi]] to [[ECW (WWE)|ECW]]). They are also [[WWE Friday Night SmackDown]] to [[WWE SmackDown]]. TJ Spyke 20:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Some are ok, some are not. For example, fixing "Micro Machines 64 Turbo" to point to "Micro Machines (video games)#Micro Machines 64 Turbo" is not ok.

You should also use an accurate edit summary. "Fixing links to disambiguation pages and bypassing certain redirects" –xeno^talk 20:12, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

• • Please review this edit. These are the types of redirects you should not be fixing, so I restored the entirely appropriate redirects. Now if someone creates an article at any of those redirects, there is already a link in place. –xeno^talk 20:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Unfortunaly, it doesn't. I do have another program I sometimes use that does, AWB. It delinks redirects to the same page, cleans up unicode (by changing it to the characters that the unicode represents), and various other fixes (like changing [[jump|jumping]] to [[jump]]ing). I will use it to clean up that page. I would suggest you apply to get AWB, it's a fantastic program. It also lets you create a edit list to go through (like if you wanted to clean up every article that links to Nintendo, it would create a list of all those articles and you can go through them one by one), it also lets you fix spelling errors. TJ Spyke 23:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
      • Thanks.. I have AWB, I didn't realize it fixed redirs-to-self. If you can go ahead and do that, that would be great. Thanks. –xeno^talk 23:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
• Sigh, a little problem. AWB does de-link them, but only if the links are correct in the first place. That means the links need to be either manually fixed or fixed using something like WikiCleanswer, then AWB used. It's been done, the links on that page have been fixed (all of the ones that redirect back have been de-linked, the others ones have their own articles). TJ Spyke 00:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

  Good thinking! Thanks for completing that. –xeno^talk 02:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (Q3 2009)

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This is  Done, cheers. –xeno^talk 15:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

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Bot feedback needed...

...here. It's a bot to assist Wikiproject Intertranswiki, so your advice has been specifically requested Fritzpoll (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Commented there. Cheers, –xeno^talk 12:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Nobots

Hi Xeno, I do this when an article is undergoing an extensive rewrite, for FAC for example. References get moved around as the text does, and sometimes disappear entirely. This triggers a bot arriving to fix them (i.e. to fix the ref name=x, where x has been removed). This means I get edit conflicts when I go back myself to fix the next part, so I leave the nobots template on for the duration of that work. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 15:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Is it ok if I remove it if you haven't edited in some time? (if so, specify timeframe?) –xeno^talk 15:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, please feel free to remove it now if you like, though equally I'm curious as to why. :) SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 15:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Just doing a bit of cleanup on the {{bots}} transclusions... Also with a nobots statement left in place indefinitely your article won't benefit from auto-interwiki linking and other bot goodness. –xeno^talk 15:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm ... I'm not a big fan of bots myself and their particular brand of goodness, but that's because I'm a dinosaur, and I'm open to being persuaded. :) SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 16:14, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's bots that remove deprecated templates, bots that update moved categories, bots that interwiki link... It's better to deny explicitly the bots you aren't fond of... –xeno^talk 16:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

If I knew how to do that, I certainly would. What can be annoying with the ref bots and the signature bots is the edit conflict business. If you've made a lot of edits, rewriting an article, only to get an edit conflict, you have to save your edits in a text editor, come of the article, and into the history to see who made the edit and what it was, so you can incorporate it. Then you have to go back to the article, open edit, and try to save agai, incorporating the change that caused the edit conflict. When Wikipedia is slow, as it often is for me nowadays, that can take several minutes. To find that it is a bot correcting a reference that's no longer in the rewrite anyway, is very frustrating. :) SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 17:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

{{bots|deny=Citation bot,Some other bot,And one more Bot}}

^ There's how to deny on a bot-by-bot basis. And for your edit-conflict woes - why not just use tabbed browsing to open the history? Or copy the lower box (your text) on top of the upper box and click "Show changes" - which should highlight the edit that conflicted you. –xeno^talk 17:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

That template's very helpful, thank you. Yes, tabbed browsing can help to speed things up, though you still have to copy your text, go back into edit, and resave, which takes only seconds when WP is working well, but it has been quite slow for me since June. Do the bots respect the in-use tag, by the way? That would be another way round the problem during a major rewrite. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 18:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I notice it has been sluggish as of late. I sped it up a bit by tooling about with Firefox settings (are you using Firefox?). I set the number of days to keep history from 90 to 10 and also some other stuff (just google "speed up firefox" - it was a drastic improvement). Not sure if they respect {{inuse}} - that's a great idea though. I'll drop a line at AWB suggestions, not sure how to get the word out to non-AWB bots to respect it though. –xeno^talk 15:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

AWB already has an option to respect it, which is in the skip option "skip if inuse" - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 15:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes. Never noticed that before. Disabled by default, I see. –xeno^talk 15:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Block, Please

User:137.164.228.87 has been making consistently unconstructive edits such as this. He has already been blocked once and others are warning him for other vandalism as I type this. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

 1 week. –xeno^talk 15:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Though I just realised that I'd screwed up all my links. Fail. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The difflink worked fine even tho you botched it. =) –xeno^talk 15:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

It did? That's good. On this subject, also encountered this guy. His last warning was in 2008, but he has a ton of old ones and a couple of blocks. Is it worth doing anything now, or do we give him a bit more leeway for now? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

If he vandalizes again, issue a L4 and again after that I'll schoolblock for a lengthy period of time. Could rogueblock, but feeling optimistic today. Maybe their very next edit will be in good faith? ;> –xeno^talk 15:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

What's rogueblock? And what is this "optimism" you are talking about? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:57, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:Rouge admins, who block without warning =) –xeno^talk 15:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Neither rouge nor rogue admins exists as a link. Explanation? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:01, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

← Wikipedia:Rouge admin in-joke. –xeno^talk 16:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Uh... huh. Makes perfect sense. Not. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

That'swhy its called "in" and "joke", like TWAIN being an in-joke for computer geeks/scientists. ;D 'The Ninjalemming' 17:25, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Led Status

I've read everything I could and placed what I should in the right place, but still noting works. I've created Status and Changer2, but still... Can you make this thing work for me Xeno ? If I did sth I shouldn't have done, please, delete it !
Krenakarore (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Are you using Monobook or Vector (or another skin?). You need to add the following to your monobook.js or vector.js, depending, and then WP:BYPASS your cache. –xeno^talk 18:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

importScript('User:Xenocidic/statusChanger2.js');

Thanks a lot Xeno for your visit, time and patience. I'm always online now, so it seems. Should I add the words: busy, sleep, offline and around on my Status page too ? Bypassed it already ! No monobook.js or vector.js, just the Status page. No need to create them and copy "importScript" ? I guess not. Krenakarore (talk) 20:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

If you want the buttons to show to change the /Status page automatically, you need to edit the relevant .js page (depending on what skin you are using) and add the line I mentioned above, then bypass your cache. Otherwise you can manually change the /Status page based on your status. –xeno^talk 20:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I got it. My present skin is Modern, but I'll change to Monobook on "My preferences". I create (edit) monobook.jc page and copy the line you mentioned above onto this new page. I bypass my cache... (that's Ctrl+F5), so the buttons will change automatically, right ? Krenakarore (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep. you could also create Special:Mypage/modern.js and continue using modern. –xeno^talk 22:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed

I put up citation needed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Pros_and_cons in the first bullet point itself. I know there is a citation note at the very top but I have query with the viewing of citation needed link. It doesn't look as Citation needed even though it is in superscript is taking space and looks ugly . I have seen other people using superscript and using citation needed but it doesn't break the flow of the sentence (means there is no space between the sentence and citation needed seems to hang over it ) .

To make it understood explicitly I don't like the space I have wasted between 'address space' and 'leaving only 2 to 3 GB' . Is there a way to make it go away and still have citation needed hanging over ? Shirishag75 (talk) 04:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

You'd have to show me an example of what you describe in the first paragraph, I've never seen it...

Why not just put the tag at the end of the bullet point? –xeno^talk 04:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say just put it at the end of the sentence... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Note

I didn't see this mentioned - Law blocked PeterDamian with Geogre unblocking. That was one of Law's and Geogre's last acts. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

You know, I could always submit an unban request if you wanted =] –xeno^talk 13:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha. Argue that one of the blocks in the long list was done by a sock with admin tools and ask for a re-evaluation, hahaha. I doubt it would be help, but it is par for the course. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

hehe - but I was actually talking about submitting an unban request for you! =) –xeno^talk 14:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Omai. Think of the trouble. I should pull a WR, come back on a clean name, make decent edits for 6 months, then request to become an admin there. ;/ Ottava Rima (talk) 14:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Please do, it would be an "epic win". =) –xeno^talk 14:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess I could pretend to be a woman who is really into bondage. ;/ Ottava Rima (talk) 14:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Great work on EM article.

Hi, Xeno. Thanks for your recent great work on EM. I think I really like your fixes. Congrats. --Damiens.rf 14:50, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for bringing it to my attention. –xeno^talk 14:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

HEY!!!

Oh man Xeno how's it going? So did you get ODST? Iheard it was sick. Oh man i can't for COD MW 2, it's gonna be sick. See you around!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 14:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Haven't tried ODST... Haven't even beat Halo 3, tbh. For the record, didn't beat Halo 2 until my Xbox 360 RROD'd and I had to go back to big blocky. I'll probably pick up MW2, though. Good to see you again, –xeno^talk 14:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I to think I always thought you were a hard-core Halo gamer, it must be other Xbox games. By the way I heard that there is a Halo movie in productions called Halo Ledgends (by the way there is little on Wikipedia about this movie)that is anime, I particulaly not fond of the idea. How about you? I hate anime so much!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 16:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Live action would be way better. I was blown away by the short "Landfall" video on Xbox Live. I don't know why they canceled the project. It would've been huge. –xeno^talk 16:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree, hey know anything about Halo: Reach? I'm dying to know!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 16:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Nothing more than what is told at Halo: Reach... Did you notice the beta invite for ODST owners? Might wanna pick the game up if you're that desperate =) –xeno^talk 17:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Moving the VK Thread

Well there's no option, you must be banned for ever and never ever ever allowed back. As Sandstein says, we must be very tough on all trangressions. I'm sorry, I wish I could say otherwise, but, as a Wikipdia's most evil Non-Admin, there is no other choice open to me. You Xeno must never darken Wikipedia portals again for this horendously evil crime. Giano (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

!!!

Well I guess if I am to be Exiled for My Sloppy Thread-Combining Ways, I'm glad you are the one to hand down the sentence... –xeno^talk 20:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Disgusting

Moreschi isn't even attempting to hide the corruption. I take it that this is going to go to ArbCom fast. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I haven't read through the RFC so I can't really comment as to its merit, but I don't think it needed to be deleted so swiftly.

That being said applying the recent case to past events would be ex post facto enforcement and I'm not sure that's a road that we want to travel down. –xeno^talk 13:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick thank you. :)

99.142.5.86 (talk) 20:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

• < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hopiakuta/_laurel_barnstar_award_barnstar_laurel_arbitrate_wikimedia_office_action_mediawiki_handicappism_handicappist_disability-access-barrier-modification_cobblebox&diff=prev&oldid=318829667 >.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 08:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I do infer that something is wrong; please do tell me what it is. Please?

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 15:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm just not quite sure what your message was about? I noticed you've pasted some of your past grievances into the page, but they don't really appear actionable? I can create more redirects for green police and such but they're mostly just different capitalizations and thus unnecessary. We normally don't pre-emptively protect things because of hypothetical future vandalsm.... –xeno^talk 15:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, thank You.

If I had considered them settled, then, I would not include them. I am not attempting to put you through a reading exercise, nor myself, a writing exercise. I do, hereby, concede that I frequently write even my most biting harsh criticism in pun_(disambiguation); however, I do consider everything to be absolutely relevant.

As a matter of fact, everytime that I typewrite " en.wikipe ,..... ", " en.wiktio ,..... ", et-al, I fully expect one or more of these incidents to recur. Considering that most google search & most yahoo! as well, each bring me here, that is simply not acceptable. I do mean most searches when I do not even include the searchstring "wiki", when I am looking f/ other sorts of results.

Considering that this website so dominates everything else, this is imperative. &, truth does bear out repetition, as many of these incidents are, in fact, repeats. None are past, nor passed, in the sense of damocles_(disambiguation).

To paraphrase you, "...I can create more redirects for green police and such but they're,..." going to be deleted w/in ninety seconds, by Art, Assassinate, & the Klan. A large group, most of whom hide their identity, have a targetlist, of vulnerable persons, whom they label as enemy, "disruptive vandal", destroy virtually anything, terrorize, no negotiation, no trial, no hearing, elite power, ultimate power, they do even target & destroy people who have never heard of wiki. Notice the pigmentation. They actually have a pagegroup, blacklist_(disambiguation), another, whitelist_(disambiguation), literally, & virtually. My race is chrome: disability-access-barrier-modification. A racist conspiracy, literally, & virtually.

Unless,.... unless, unless, unless, I could have a variety of policy changes:

* Disputed edit: negotiate rather than delete.

* Access to the corrupted history, & I have listed some of the examples; but, only an administrator can locate a complete list.

* Well, I have listed others, there. I have, as well, listed various others, elsewhere; but, I would need better access to a * * * * complete edit history * * * *, & a better machine, that would be less likely to freeze on large searches.

Anneke Frank, Annele Frank, Second World War, any particularly huge genocide_(disambiguation), should qualify as a special case, regarding any term there connected. That is not specific to any vandalism, it is more like the suspected ignorance, as until that movie, I certainly did not know, I had been ignorant of it. Is wikimedia friend or enemy. No "?question-mark": I am not certain whether it is a question, partly because I can see that that phrase is not likely to come to your mind, until I include it.

&, maybe you have never experienced physical gnawing virtually eternal throughout pain, f/ more than half a century. Maybe you have not experienced being completely excluded from society. I do not know; but, this is my surmise. Friend or foe.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 17:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Please see User:Hopiakuta/deleted edits. And no, I have no idea what living with myofascial pain syndrome is like. I don't even like hangovers, so I can't imagine what you go through. I will try to see what other concerns I can resolve for you. –xeno^talk 17:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Please do bring the conversation there.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 20:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Summary

Thanks for the heads up, sometimes I forget that is the default message left by the service. TJ Spyke 19:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Np. –xeno^talk 19:07, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Boxing Bios

Howdy Xeno. I was involved with the discussions at Audley Harrison. I recommend in future that such articles be 'protected' when edit spats develop. That way nobody will get blocked. GoodDay (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Be sure to report such skirmishes at WP:RFPP noting the ongoing edit war and hopefully protection will be the tool used to end it... –xeno^talk 19:46, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Roger Willco. GoodDay (talk) 19:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Space janitor... I like the sound of that! –xeno^talk 19:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Is that what the phrase means? I heard it on a M*A*S*H episode. Anyways, I meant 'will do'. GoodDay (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, computer nerd joke (Roger Wilco (Space Quest)). It does mean roger, will comply. –xeno^talk 20:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 20:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Favor...

Got a favor for ya... is there any way to rename a couple images? I uploaded File:FairbanksMarker01.JPG and File:FairbanksMarker02.JPG, but have since realized that image #2 is actually the front, and image #1 is the back... is there any way to simply rename them so the front is 1 and the back is 2 (for later ease of image use)? - Adolphus79 (talk) 06:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

You can just click on "Upload a new version of this file" on both, and upload the correct image on each. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 07:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah... duh... thanks... - Adolphus79 (talk) 13:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me or do images 1 and 2 look strangely similar? Hurm, maybe it's the same picture, the background doesn't change and neither does the sign. =P 'The Ninjalemming' 14:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

It's the front and back side of the same sign... different text on each side... not that common for Ohio historical markers, they generally have the same thing on both sides... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Ninja is right, you've presently got the same picture up for both. –xeno^talk 16:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

MuHa, I be right. Muhahahahahahahahahah! =J 'The Ninjalemming' 15:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see what has happened here, on picture two you updated it with the wrong picture so picture one is now on both; I checked the history of them at the bottom. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

That's really weird, becuase they show up as two different pictures (and in correct order) for me... Maybe I'll try to re-upload them again, see if that fixes it... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:54, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I saw that the file history showed the same image twice, and so I uploaded it again, and now the history is showing the correct image as the second in the history... must have just been a bug in the system or something... works now? - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You probably had one of the images cached. –xeno^talk 17:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

That be sorted =P 'The Ninjalemming' 18:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

This feels like the wrong place

but I followed the link "report errors?" in your bot editsummary from Talk:Eóganachta. Why is this considered within scope of WP:Biography (yeah, I know - a different bot made that assesment before yours), and why is it rated a "stub" (33kb of sourced text). Your bot I'm sure is just doing what it has been told to do, but something seem to be wrong here. If you know a better place to report this, please let me know. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC) P.S: Copied parts of this to the relevant talk page. Finn Rindahl (talk) 23:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied there. (This was the right place for a possible AI error, but the bot is working as intended... Human editors are needed to double-check things like these! =) Cheers, –xeno^talk 02:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I've been trying to point out that this goes against WP:TALK, but one of the users keeps saying it is pointless wikilawyering. Any idea how to get around that? Hopefully your comments will help the situation. — BQZip01 — ^talk 18:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Well the section I quoted gives nods to both positions and doesn't really say one way or the other whether it is against the guideline... –xeno^talk 18:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, but further up the page you have:

"If a thread has veered off its original subject, it may be desirable to split threads, especially if the new topic is deemed to merit extensive discussion. When part of a discussion is made into its own thread, the new thread should include an opening sentence or paragraph explaining the reason for the move and containing a link to the original thread. As well, a note should be placed at the location the discussion was moved from, with a link to the new thread. It is also important that the format of the existing discussion remains essentially the same. Simple cutting and pasting will not always ensure that this happens; a bit of reformatting may be necessary. When splitting a thread, always preview how your changes appear and check to see whether the flow of the thread remains the same as it was previously (i.e. that all replies are in the correct places.) Splitting a thread should not in any way alter the meaning of any comments therein; hence the need for links, proper formatting, and an explanation."

I tried to point this out and all I got was and unexplained deletion and an accusation of wikilawyering. What do you think I/we should do?

On a related note, given that you are aware of the history between myself and Hammersoft, does this strike you as wikihounding? :

[7] -> [8]

[9] -> [10]

[11] -> [12]

I'm asking you honestly. I am not trying to elevate it or put anyone in a bad light. I know Hammer and I have some bad blood and I want to make sure I'm not overreacting here. — BQZip01 — ^talk 18:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies, I am just headed out the door for Thanksgiving dinner. Perhaps one of my helpful talk page stalkers could lend a neutral 3rd opinion? –xeno^talk 18:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

LOL, fair enough. Just respond when you get back. Bon appetit! — BQZip01 — ^talk 19:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Although I am not a stalker yet, this does look like hounding, per the definition. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention, his userpage is extremely scary in regards to his liking of being called a vandal, troll, and other things. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

← These are high-traffic areas and all related to the same dispute, so I would say no, not really WP:HOUND. –xeno^talk 02:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

High traffic, yes, but he hasn't contributed to those pages and only does so after I did. Thoughts? — BQZip01 — ^talk 19:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

But he wrote on Mr. Z-man's page back in June [13] and I would be surprised if he had never wrote to RFPP or ANI as you say. I have prior history with Hammersoft so it's probably best to ask someone else to intervene if you are seeking action. –xeno^talk 20:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I never said he NEVER wrote in any of those places, only that he hasn't recently and did so mere minutes after me. In any case, I'll drop the subject and take it somewhere else if need be. Thanks for being a sounding board. — BQZip01 — ^talk 20:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I know that for my part, while active, I refresh my watchlist fairly obsessively and reply relatively quickly to matters that concern me. –xeno^talk 20:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Me too (sometimes to the point of obsession, "C'mon, c'mon, c'mon...aren't there any new edits...Maybe if I hit 'refresh'..."). However, these didn't concern him as they addressed the issues of the IPs. Unless that was him, it didn't address him. Again, this is not to dog him or criticize, per se. I'm just trying to make sure I'm not looking too much into such edits. — BQZip01 — ^talk 22:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Question

There was a bit of an issue with Off2riorob about some categories. I have a feeling that I was at fault, but I can't get rid of the idea that he is watching whatever pages I have edited. I got this idea after another editor came along and reverted an edit on a page that I didn't touch because I didn't want to escalate things. What also concerns me is that he immediately went to that editor and became friendly with them. This strikes me as odd, as I don't usually think of anyone doing this unless they want a new friend or someone to support them. While looking around, I noticed that Off2riorob was previously blocked, so I'm wondering if there are any hints of any prior behaviors now occuring. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it too much. As for his being blocked in the past, someone once said "If you've never been blocked, you're not trying hard enough to improve the encyclopedia." –xeno^talk 02:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and that is a great point. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It now seems as if he is monitoring my edits. He just asked me today why I marked something as minor, even after I told him that I set my settings to mark these things for me. I just responded to him, and I also told him to stop, or I would report him. I know this might not seem like harassment, but after what has happened yesterday, I am taking no chances. Any ideas? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, review the proper use of minor edits and uncheck that setting in your preferences. –xeno^talk 20:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea, but I mostly do minor edits, they just have not been in the last day and a half. I'm kind of a bit stressed over this, so my apologies beforehand for any lashing out I might do. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It is better to mark all edits as non-minor rather than forget to clear the box when making a substantive edit. Just get into the habit of tab,space,enter after your edit summary when you want to mark something as minor. –xeno^talk 20:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I might as well, but it was also a year ago that someone told me to start checking things as minor since I was doing minor work. Aren't checkusers normally kept out of the Recent Changes feed anyways? If so, I will certainly do that. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by checkusers ( ? ). Anyhow, best to leave edits as "non-minor" by default, and only check minor when it is actually a minor edit. Deleting an entire section is not a minor edit... –xeno^talk 20:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I just realized that I meant autoreviewer right before I got this. Thanks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Autoreviewers new pages are marked as auto-patrolled in Special:Newpages, but this has nothing to do with Special:Recentchanges or minor edits. –xeno^talk 20:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Categories#Understanding of CHIBOTCATS

Ran into a couple of odd categories in CHIBOTCATS that threw me for a loop. Don't know if more of these odd categories need to be added or if they should be deleted from CHIBOTCATS. Pknkly (talk) 11:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied there. –xeno^talk 12:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I now see that the bot using CHIBOTCATS is universal, it will tag whatever types of articles are placed within the categories assigned to CHIBOTCATS. I'm sorry about using this 20 questions approach. Whenever I seem to have an understanding I encounter something that doesn't conform to that understanding. Then, I'm stuck not knowing if what I'm seeing is a problem that needs correcting or if its an unfinished task (e.g., move all template categories into CHIBOTCATS) that needs to be completed. Please answer there for new example and question. I'll ask Tony to also respond. Pknkly (talk) 20:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

We have agreement that all wp:CHI categories are to be in CHIBOTCATS. Since all CHI categories are going to be within CHIBOTCATS and all categories are already members of Category:Category-Class Chicago articles, do we need to manually update CHIBOTCATS or can the bot get all the members of CHIBOTCATS from the category list in Category:Category-Class Chicago articles? Please reply there, unless it is more convenient for you to reply here. I can copy and paste your response. Aside - a watch on your talk page keeps my watchlist extremely busy. That is why I ask for a response there. Has anyone requested a watch capability on sections instead of the entire page? Pknkly (talk) 22:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

(replied there) There's probably a bugzilla for it, but it sounds pretty complicated. And I usually see your edits to the relevant pages, if I don't reply in 12 hours feel free to prod me =) –xeno^talk 23:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the list of differences. I'll work on finding the reasons for the differences and see where we go from there. I'm done with this discussion, so archive if you need space. Thanks for the feedback about bugzilla. Pknkly (talk) 23:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Allow watchlisting individual sections of a page. BlazerKnight (talk) 23:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

PSN picture deletion

I really need your help. I think that this revision is fine, but there are some people who want to delete a few of the images on the PSN article. I really want you to finish this argument. I think that if we get rid of the images, which I've semi-demonstrated in the current revision, then we'd be making the article a stub. I didn't know who else to turn to, because WP:NFCC#8 nor WP:NFCC#3a are being infringed in the article. The deletion discussions are at here and here. Thank you. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 00:22, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Less images wont turn the article into a stub. I'd suggest just adding mention of these deletion discussion to the VG's deletion debates listing and see how the processes go. I've never been a huge fan of the NFCC, but neither am I familiar with it enough to comment as to whether that is too many or whether #8 is an issue. –xeno^talk 00:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Compare it with Xbox Live. Remembering that the amount of images matches PSN. Compare it to PS3, remembering that the amount of images far surpasses PSN. I need you to tell me whether this revision is fine or the current one is fine, so we can remove the tag from the image caption. Thanks, i appreciate it. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 05:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

You should not remove the tag until the deletion process is finished, from what it looks like it will be kept - so nothing to worry about. –xeno^talk 13:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I should have nothing to worry about... ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 07:20, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

I appreciate your help with the archiving issue. Can you help me understand what the whole "+/-" thing next to that portion you changed is about, and how exactly you went about changing it? I have an article I'm working up in userspace, that I might need to create a MiszaBot talk archive for, and I don't want to screw it up! :) UA 18:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure I follow... The problem was you were asking MiszaBot to archive to a redirected page (/Archive1) instead of the proper archive (/Archive 1)... –xeno^talk 18:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Is that what it was? In the diff above, it shows up as a "+" next to the line you changed. I wasn't sure what exactly you had done to fix it. Whatever it was, thanks! :) UA 19:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I finally figured it out. UA 19:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Diffs where only whitespace changed are hard to read =) –xeno^talk 00:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies

You are right, I pressed a bit too much on that. My apologies. :( Cirt (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

No worries. I understand your concern. If you like, we can just remove the section wholesale and chalk it up to lost-in-translation. I was using a conversational style that is less-than-ideal for text-based communications. –xeno^talk 20:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC) (I went ahead and removed it)

No worries on the section removal. Thank you! :) Cheers, Cirt (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Australian English? Really? That's new to me. This Wikipedia thing, always learning me stuff. –xeno^talk 20:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Trying to find a cite about its usage in Canada, it is fairly prevalent here. –xeno^talk 20:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Best to find sources that discuss the term itself, as opposed to incidental usage. But those are okay for now I guess. ;) Cirt (talk) 20:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea, they're really OR-ey... My kingdom for a linguist! –xeno^talk 20:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Typo in template?

See here and the TfD note. The notice links to Templates for ddiscussion. I went to the infobox, but the mistake wasn't there. Help, please. :) Enigma^msg 20:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

You need to follow the yellow brick road =0 –xeno^talk 20:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I did scan that page as well, but it didn't occur to me to examine the code contained within. I'll know for next time! Enigma^msg 22:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Found it. Only up for about five and a half hours. Enigma^msg 22:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Good catch =] –xeno^talk 00:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Busy bot

As great as it is to see work being accomplished, and as much joy as it brings me to see the name xeno hitting pages on my watchlist, I cannot wait for the Mk V work for WP Biography to be done! I never realized how many bios I had on my watchlist. Keep up the great work. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me} 01:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

hehe thanks. And my apologies. When I looked at the 182,000+ backlog I asked myself if it was worth it. I wish I could tell you there's an end in sight, but with the WPBannerMeta conversion came some more tasks =| –xeno^talk 02:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and a Question

Just wanted to pop by and say thanks for the (Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed) confirmation. I am very grateful.

As a passing thought, do you know if there is any way to bring my previous edits; from when I hadn't logged in; under my username?

Thank you again. - snowpup^talk 05:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

No, there is not... - Adolphus79 (talk) 05:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, no way to merge contributions presently. –xeno^talk 05:22, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

What a pity, c'est la vie. Maybe it will teach me to make sure I'm logged in. - snowpup^talk 05:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, we've all done that before... "Ahh shit, I forgot to log in before making that edit!"... once you've been here long enough, it becomes second nature (or you click on "remember me"... that, and, with as many edits as I (or especially Xeno) have, a few lost here and there to your IP doesn't make much difference... - Adolphus79 (talk) 05:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Help...again

Once again my old friend I could use a tip, on the bottom of my user page there is a note that says "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a <references/> tag." I understand what it's saying but I don't think I have any <ref> tags on my page. Correct me if I'm wrong, I could use the help. Thanks and Cheerio!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 12:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Just put a reflist and preview it to see what it is (Template:2009–10 NHL Northeast Division standings). –xeno^talk 12:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

So how do I fix this again? (I'm sorry, you know I'm not a wikipedia expert).--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 14:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Never mind I got it, thanks for the help. Cheerio!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 14:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(tps)Added reflist to your page you can remove the reference given for your sport team standings to remove the reference provided A reflist is added by adding {{reflist}}--NotedGrant Talk 14:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes I noticed, you didn't really need to though, I looked up how to fix it. However I'm lazy and you saved me the trouble so thanks anyways!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 14:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

-:) :D--NotedGrant Talk 14:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Article ideas

User:New Age Retro Hippie - I made up a list of articles I'd like to make, and wanted to see if you may be interested in any of them. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Lazy 'ole me? Thanks for the consideration =) –xeno^talk 19:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

U.S. military response during the September 11 attacks

was Is Xeno an administrator?

As I did not find it described anywhere in relation to user Xeno, is Xeno performing an administrative function? Is Xeno an Administrator?

If so, please modify something to indicate it so.

If not, please declaim it here.

Parserpractice (talk) 22:05, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

While I am an administrator (see [14] as well as the category on my main user&talk page, and the mop icon in the top right) my actions at U.S. military response during the September 11 attacks including my advice to you at your talk page have been editorial in nature. –xeno^talk 22:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I would like to note here that at no time did I claim the page referred to was a finished work. Some of the detail does come across as jumpy at times.

A consensus product may very well turn out to be better than its present form. To, however, have editors point out incomplete aspects then refuse to make alterations of any type is inconsistent of Wikipedia, by my understanding. We are evidently forging understandings?

Clarity is inescapable when viewed in this light. They must read the links in their entirety. I have seen sufficient evidence that they are not reading the links, they are requesting that others Assume they have done so. Good Faith?

Parserpractice (talk) 23:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I can try and trim the excess details I see a bit later, but for now, I don't have time. Otherwise it would be a hatchet job and I'm sure you would not appreciate that. To start, the whole paragraph starting "Under the FAA’s Long Range Radar Replacement Program and the US Air Force Programme 968H the Joint Surveillance System (JSS) was developed as a successor to the SAGE system ..." seems to be far too detailed for a layman's understanding of the subject at hand. –xeno^talk 23:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Xeno, You have made a good point, and this is the type of editorial modification that is acceptable. The quote you gave above is somewhat redundant in the article: I left it as such to be sure that readers would encounter the information, and to give readers specific terms for further searching of their own. I have decided to form a new section on radar tracking claims, responsibilities, and technology. Condensing of detail will be a priority.

Parserpractice (talk) 11:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks... Feel free to ping me when you've done and I can review and let you know if my concerns were satisfied... –xeno^talk 19:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

xeno, I would like to title the section "Radar Tracking". Here is the new section content material:

The Federal Aviation Act of 1958 mandates a civil/ military Air Traffic Control system and places the responsibility on the FAA for oversight and control of the common system. A Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) between the DoD and FAA on the Future of Radar Approach Controls in the National Airspace System, 14 Dec 88, states that the FAA "determines the standard for NAS equipment and ATC facilities" and that "DoD will equip facilities providing services to civil users so that the ATC service is transparent to the user."

From the late 1950s to 1983 the Semi-Automatic Ground Environment (S.A.G.E.) Air Defense System was the nation’s means of air defense. It was an automated control system used by NORAD for collecting, tracking and intercepting enemy bomber aircraft and aircraft of malicious intent originating within, and outside, the U.S. To offset increased speeds of jet aircraft, SAGE alert fighter notification was automated upon detection of deviation from filed flight plans. Flight plans were inserted into the SAGE Air Defense System computers and were matched with radar returns, continuously and automatically, to aid in identifying the spotted aircraft. The SAGE system grew to rival the Manhattan Project in size.

"In 1966, Secretary of the Air Force Harold Brown saw emerging technologies as the key to a more cost-effective and efficient air defense system. Brown's plan called for phasing out most military radars around the nation's periphery. Detection duties would be assumed by FAA radars that would feed information into military control centers. By 1968, only radar stations around the nation's perimeter remained in Air Force jurisdiction. All (SAGE) gap-filler radars ceased operations. Interior stations were either closed or turned over to the FAA."

The Department of Defense and the FAA had been negotiating throughout the 1970s for the FAA to assume control of most tracking duties as part of a proposed Joint Surveillance System. In the early 1980s, when the JSS project was completed, the JSS operated 46 long-range radar sites. 31 of the sites had FAA-operated search radars and Air Force-manned height-finder radars. 5 sites had FAA radars that simply provided a data tie to one of the SAGE Regional Control Centers (RCC). Initially, these 46 radar sites provided data feeds to the 6 remaining SAGE RCCs. During 1983, these 6 SAGE RCCs were replaced by 4 Region Operation Control Centers (ROCCs) that operated as part of the JSS. By 1987, the 4 ROCCs relied mostly on data-feeds from the FAA JSS radars. JSS was an Air Force/FAA cooperative effort to provide a peacetime air surveillance and control system to replace SAGE and BUIC systems.

On 9/11, the FAA's newest Air Route Surveillance Radar-4 (ARSR-4) data were merged with data from a co-located secondary beacon system and then transmitted to FAA’s en route air traffic control centers and Air Force Air Defense Sectors (NEADS/Rome, a JSS Region Operations Control Centre (ROCC). These radars were developed jointly for the FAA and the USAF to replace earlier search and height-finder radars.

Flight plans require an aircraft to follow a prearranged flight path with agreed upon waypoints. Flight path is allowed to change only after waypoints are achieved. Comparison with radar return is what allows aircraft with and without transponders to be easily identified as errant. SEADS, the Southeast Air Defense Sector, correlates radar return to flight plans.

The Southeast Air Defense Sector has since been absorbed into the Eastern Air Defense Sector, as has the Northeast Air Defense Sector.

Northeast Air Defense Sector/NORAD personnel after 9/11 claimed to be unable to track aircraft within the nation’s interior, yet several sources detail them doing exactly that. Michael Bronner’s Vanity Fair article describes one instance: ““Looking at the general capitol area, one of the [NEADS] tracker techs thinks he spots the plane on radar.”; “A NEADS controller is the first to notice the Langley jets were not headed to Washington, as directed by NEADS.” The 9/11 Commission Report: “Radar techs at NEADS/Rome are tracking Flight 77 near Washington, D.C.”

To quote NORAD regulations in effect on 9/11: “Authorization for Interceptor Operations: (b) When the hijacked aircraft is within FAA radar coverage, escort [interception] aircraft is controlled by the appropriate FAA facility."

This would go with removal of tracking technology history and systems from the Flight 11 section.

Parserpractice (talk) 17:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

This seems like it should really have its own article, and perhaps a two-three sentence summary be put into the "military response..." article pointing there. Otherwise I still think it's going to really boggle the mind of someone reading the article who just wants to know about the subject. –xeno^talk 17:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

xeno, I forgot to mention that I've never added a section to an article, only expanded upon existing ones. How do you go about adding the section?

Parserpractice (talk) 17:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

You just add a ==header== (or ===subheader===, ====sub-sub header====) wherever you want it to be. –xeno^talk 17:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Parsed further, and added.

Parserpractice (talk) 18:08, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Open Studio Article?

Hi Xeno, could you userfy my Open Studio (IDE) Article? Not the second version, the first one. The reason i say that is because after the version i created got deleted, someone else re-created it. Thanks in advanced! --69.95.232.172 --Moonwolf14 (talk) 23:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC) EDIT: Added my real sig.

Inherited assessments

A few crits and suggestions:

1. FA, FL and GA-Class assessments should probably only be inherited from {{Featured article}}, {{Featured list}} or {{ArticleHistory}}. GA-Class assessments have been inherited for both Talk:Giacomo Quarenghi and Talk:Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, but neither article has been passed at WP:GAN. I'll reassess them as B-Class articles later.
2. Likewise, it may be as well if A-Class assessments weren't inherited because these typically require some kind of project level review.
3. For projects that use B-Class checklists you should probably skip B-Class as well.
4. You'll need to be wary of projects that don't use some of the standard assessment classes (some don't use C-Class, for example), and those that use non-standard classes (such as Bplus-Class, Future-Class, etc).
5. Are assessments inherited for non-article pages? If so, my previous point may be more of a minefield with more classess to consider.

Regards. PC78 (talk) 00:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

1. Hm, good point.
2. The bot doesn't inherit A
3. When filing a request for bot project co-ordinators can uncheck anything undesirable
4. Yep, right now the bot is only operating on Stub/Start/C/B/List/GA/FL/FA
5. Not usually; the projects will have usually given instructions how to tag the other stuff. (Click here to check it out)

I'll stop the bot inheriting GA/FA/FL except from article history and the featured stars. –xeno^talk 03:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit Filter

Thanks. Makes sense, and maybe it helps clarify the policy on this, which was my ulterior motive (though my actual request was perfectly genuine, and the reason was utterly true, as well as hoping to clear up the "rules" a little).  Chzz  ►  05:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

P.S. "reminder not to discuss details of private filters" - duly noted, thx.  Chzz  ►  05:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a pity that nothing really got resolved with this. It remains a grey area - the next time a non-admin wants permission, they'll face exactly the same troubles. The AN/I is not 'resolved', but the issue remains. I'm too scared to upset the cabals, so I'll drop it...but I really do think it'll just crop up again, because we still have no clear policy on it. Oh well...I tried.  Chzz  ►  11:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for this. And point taken, of course. Debresser (talk) 19:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Slow Down (re removing unreferenced text)

Can't tou at least tag unreferenced text as such for a few miunutes, or better, say 24 hours, before deleting it. I'm actively traking down citations for the text you keep removing, and you're making the job much harder than it needs be. I have no disagreement that unreference stuff should be removed, but it is much better for the encyclopaedia if you first let people who might go out and find the citations have a go. You can always come back in a bit and strike the text. --Jaymax (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Our BLP policy is quite clear that "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous". For this case, the burden of proof lies on those inserting the text. –xeno^talk 20:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough - withdrawn - I wasn't thinking BLP. Can I humbly suggest that you tag the edit comment with BLP - as folk with agendas removing stuff from other contentious articles just "because it's unreferenced" can be a total pain. I accept I prob should have read the talk page more closely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaymax (talk • contribs) 21:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable, will do. Thanks for the note. –xeno^talk 21:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Colorado balloon incident

Sorry, my goofy side got the best of me. GoodDay (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

No worries. –xeno^talk 22:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

List of Torchwood characters

was the AWB bug logged? Rich Farmbrough, 23:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC).

dunno, You tell me =) –xeno^talk 23:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Speeding up Firefox

Sorry, Xeno, I just saw this earlier post of yours, which I didn't respond to:

"Yes, I notice it has been sluggish as of late. I sped it up a bit by tooling about with Firefox settings (are you using Firefox?). I set the number of days to keep history from 90 to 10 and also some other stuff (just google "speed up firefox" - it was a drastic improvement). Not sure if they respect Inuse - that's a great idea though. I'll drop a line at AWB suggestions, not sure how to get the word out to non-AWB bots to respect it though." –xenotalk 15:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestions. I do use Firefox, so I'm going to try your ideas out tonight. :) SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 01:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for reminding me, I've yet to apply most of them to this PC =) –xeno^talk 03:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Mass Effect move

Consensus was reached at WP:VG that if a series is large enough (at least 3 games and 1 media item/game) the series page shouldn't be disambiguated. (See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (video games)#Disambiguation).Since Mass Effect has more than 3 games, it is large enough to have a non-disambiguated series article, so you should go ahead and perform the move.--_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I still don't think this is a good idea. I don't really see much consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 72#Title vs. First Game disambiguation either. You could either file a WP:RM or try to do a bold move. There's only one revision in "Mass Effect (video game)", so you should be able to do it. While I disagree with the move, I won't revert.

Yes, Mass Effect is meeting the bare minimum of the criteria you wrote into the guideline, but I still feel that under the circumstances, the status quo is ideal. Mass Effect was viewed over 90,000 times in September [15] while Mass Effect (series) less than 9000 [16]. Presently, the first game remains the primary topic. –xeno^talk 03:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Colorado Balloon Incident

Hey, I just wanted to say that you did a great job in the Colorado Balloon Incident article. Even with the tools readily available, you avoided allowing your personal opinion to effect the use of the tools in the AfD and the article itself. I was not there for your RfA, but it's evident to me that you were trustworthy of the tools and still are. Here is a cookie:--TParis00ap (talk) 14:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

TParis00ap has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Thanks... This article is a BLP nightmare! –xeno^talk 19:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Wolfazord

Hey there. I just indef-blocked User:Wolfazord, but, after reviewing his talk page and contributions, I'm getting the feeling this user is more lacking clue and less malicious (I didn't think of that first because all I could see were mass page-moves). Therefore, I think I'll unblock. Just letting you know in case you wonder. Master of Puppets 17:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea, came to the same conclusion which is why I sent the "clue up final, final warning". –xeno^talk 17:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

They've been blanking their talk rather vigorously, so I'm getting bad vibes now. Master of Puppets 17:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Whatever decision you make I won't object. I was very close to blocking as well. See also: WP:Competence is required. –xeno^talk 17:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll await a response and act accordingly, I guess. Master of Puppets 17:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Friend of yours?

TheXenocide (talk · contribs)? Toddst1 (talk) 02:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Nope, just another Orson Scott Card fan I guess =) –xeno^talk 02:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Recovering a deleted article

Hello. Please see Wikipedia:Help desk#Missing article. A user would like an article restored into userspace. Thank you $©@®©Ξ 05:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done. –xeno^talk 13:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Am I in trouble?

Because I think I probably just annoyed an admin. I didn't think I was being anything but the peacemaker when I added my two pence to the topic, but re-reading it, I think I was a bit too sarcastic. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards ... =) Funny coincidence: [17]. If you think you were too sarcastic, just edit your comment. –xeno^talk 17:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't slept in something like 72 hours at the time and so I think I was possibly overreacting about thinking I had overreacted, if that makes any sense. If it doesn't I'm still sleepy, but at least I'm slightly rested now. As for the reliable source thing, I see what John meant now, slightly. But surely, if an article is well-sourced and everything, it should be considered reliable by some standards even if we don't use it as a source for other pages. Otherwise, what's the point in Wikipedia? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

To condense reliable sources into a usable medium =) –xeno^talk 15:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Ooh! 72 hours, done that once before and it anin't pretty; it's possibly to think straight and act normally but ya just don't want to (contray to popular belief that after 24 hours without sleep you are a human shaped vegatable...roughly human shaped anyway). Basically meaning, if you don't consentrate completely yu normally go off on one in your head. So I can see here that you didn't understand. But why did you do that any way? (unless it was to hunt down and kill the broadband people, then it was a most likly stupid idea). I also think that the point in wikipedia is to act like an enyclopedia, and despite the fact that my idiotic teachers (some of them anyway) say that wikipedia is "Completely wrong, as it is edited by anybody and check by nobody" (which again is wrong otherwise xeno'd be out of a job) universoties do not say this, they say do not use encyclodias in general as as xeno said, it's the condensed sources and they want the whole source. But other then that wikipedia is a reliable source nuf said. Hi xeno =P 'The Ninjalemming' 15:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

My personal record is 40 hours without sleep. I've also done a 48 hour period with only two hours of sleep. Useight (talk) 14:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I really should read what I've written first before hitting save. 'The Ninjalemming' 14:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you really should. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Which in turn, would make Wikipedia reliable, because it uses reliable sources. It may not explain everything, but what does? Oh, yes, and I don't generally alter my comments unless I'm correcting spelling/formatting. It feels... wrong somehow. Like I'm trying to cover something up. The only time I'd do it would be if I'd gone berserk and swore massively at someone, but I don't think I'll be doing that any time soon. I like my block-free record as it is. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

That's the goal, yes... But one we'll constantly be shooting for. –xeno^talk 19:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The WikiVirus Returns

It's back again. This time, when I try to access Mass Effect 2 from the main page's search bar, it wants to download something. It's a different computer this time as well. I'd e-mail you a picture, but it's stopped doing it now. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Next time be ready with the screen dump (i forget which button it is though, give me a minute) 'The Ninjalemming' 13:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Well thats ruined it, my computer doesn't have it. Pooh =( 'The Ninjalemming' 13:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It's the Print Screen button. And that's what I was going to do while I typed, but it stopped appearing. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Still doubt it has anything to do with Wikipedia directly, just malware on the PCs you are using to access it. –xeno^talk 13:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

User:DoNotArchiveUntil

I mentioned this feature here. If you can improve the wording there, please do. It's a great feature! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 14:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Done =). Glad you like it! –xeno^talk 19:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Italian films

HI, Can you please stop prodding me with the list, it is on my to do list. I have not forgotten. In fact I had intended doing some yesterday but I got sidetracked with creating monastery templates. They will all get done soon enough. Just be patient eh? Himalayan 14:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

As long as it's still on your radar; haven't seen you in about a month =) –xeno^talk 14:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Well I've hardly been slacking elsewhere have I? Himalayan 14:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Dunno, haven't been watching! –xeno^talk 14:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

R2D

Stop reverting changes on templates. Since you seem to love R2D so much (even though it's not a policy, just a suggestion), maybe you should read it and see that Templates ARE allowed to be changed. Userboxes are considered templates, so redirects in them CAN be fixed. TJ Spyke 15:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The guideline speaks to navigational templates, not userboxes in other peoples' userspace. What happens if Superintendent Chalmers gets his own article? In that case, those links you "fixed" [18] are broken in that they direct to the wrong place. As it stands now, the redirect is fine. Why do you feel redirects need to be fixed? –xeno^talk 15:31, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Help

Well my good friend, you are always there to help me, but then again I'm always bothering you for help. So I set up my own system for people who consistently try to find people who need help. If there is a problem posted on my user page than anyone who can answer it will receive my thanks + a barnstar. Since your the greatest, I'll allow you to solve my first problem. See my user page! P.S. This is either a great idea or a horrible idea.--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 18:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

It's always a good idea to help other Wikipedians improve the encyclopedia. I'll take a look =) –xeno^talk 19:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Which thread? –xeno^talk 19:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

It's right on the front of my user page. It's kind of hard to miss. No offense.--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 11:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done - Adolphus79 (talk) 12:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Ohhh, I was looking at your user talk page. I thought you wanted me to solve the religion debate. LOL! –xeno^talk 12:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Ha! and once again Ha!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 21:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I offer you the chance to be the first person to answer my question and you still get beaten! Oh well maybe next time! Cheerio!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 22:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Rawr... - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Xeno. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Categories.
Message added 16:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Based on your prior comments, I plan to move tracking and project categories into CHIBOTCATS. Please leave your comment there.

Would you please also look at the page where I'm going to track the progress? It gives instruction to others who may have the time and inclination to help. Thanks Pknkly (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I put it on my watchlist. Let me know if you have any specific questions, but your plan looks fine to me. When you are all sorted, I can run the bot again. –xeno^talk 16:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. It will take awhile to get to them all. Pknkly (talk) 08:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Deletion backlog template

Hey Xeno, could you possibly take a look at a problem I've been having? I made a deletion backlog template similar to what is on {{admindashboard}} on Commons:User:Killiondude/sandbox, but it isn't updating the category days. I've purged my sandbox page and the templates that make it up, but it hasn't changed it. I'm not exactly a coding person, I mostly copied the code from en.wiki and made slight changes if necessary. Any help you could provide would be great. Thanks. I asked PhilKnight, since he was the one who added it to the admindashboard, but he isn't sure what's wrong (User talk:PhilKnight#Deletion backlog template). Killiondude (talk) 00:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, MZMcBride fixed everything. :-D Killiondude (talk) 07:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Glad to be of service! ;> –xeno^talk 12:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Signature

I've changed my signature. Also, since when have I had rollback rights?--Launchballer 14:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. You don't appear to presently have rollback rights [19]. Did you perhaps install Twinkle? –xeno^talk 15:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

A quick check shows on FireFox.

Not on IE8, however. That is very similar to what comes up on the SNN (whereby I am an administrator)--Launchballer 15:11, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

That is Twinkle. –xeno^talk 15:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

While I'm here, could you show me around the others there are?--Launchballer 19:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The others? As in other scripts? WP:FRIENDLY... WP:HOTCAT... That's all I can think of right now =) –xeno^talk 19:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

SIG

Xeno, I'm saw your adjustment on my signature. No, I didn't touch it. Like I said on the ANI board, I already know I absolutely have to practice a lot of Good faith in order to earn it back. I didn't touch it and won't touch it. In your message you noted that my signature is beyond 255 characters. My understanding is that the final product cannot be beyond 255 characters. My understanding of "final product" is, what's printed on the page when the four tildes are used. In that case, my signature doesn't exceed that link. If that understanding is wrong, please feel free to correct me. Like I said, I'll leave my sig alone. _{Naluboutes, Naluboutes}Aeria gloris, Aeria gloris 14:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

When you say you didn't touch it, who did, then? Because your account, KoshVorlon, certainly increased the width of the border back to what it was before the ANI thread ordered it down. ╟─TreasuryTag►quaestor─╢ 05:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems there is an implied afterthought, "I didn't touch it [subsequent to your changes]". Anyhow, the sig is even better now, so let's let this drop. –xeno^talk 12:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

The final wikitext saved to the page must be 255 characters or less. Right now after my modifications, you are at 250.

By the way, you don't need to "leave [your] sig alone", in fact, you should change it because in the rendered form it is distracting and lends undue prominence to your postings. I'd suggest getting rid of the background. And don't bother with text shadow, it has not been well-received. Just make sure the final product is under 255 characters.

Thanks, –xeno^talk 14:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

That's what I think I'm missing. The final product produces "Naluboutes X2 and Aeria Gloris X2," about 49 characters,

nowhere near the limit. Again, If I'm interpreting "final product" wrong. Let me know! _{Naluboutes, Naluboutes}Aeria gloris, Aeria gloris 15:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea, the character length depends on what you see in the edit window, not the rendered text. Right now you're ok, but I think the background could go. –xeno^talk 16:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Xeno, Thank you. I understand completely. In that case, my original signature was definetly over the line. I may change it a bit, but I will not exceed the line length or change the padding (as you mentioned before).

Thanks! _{Naluboutes, Naluboutes}Aeria gloris, Aeria gloris 17:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Treasury, AGF please. Read what I said again, I didn't say I didn't touch it. Rather, Xeno changed my signature and I advised him that I wouldn't touch his changes (in other words, I wouldn't revert him).

_{Naluboutes,Nalubotes}^{Aeria Gloris,Aeria Gloris} 12:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

New sig looks good I guess my only suggestion would be not to put your sig on a newline, put it right after your text. Otherwise it looks kindof malplaced and may confuse the indentation. –xeno^talk 12:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Templates in headings

Well I never knew that! You learn somethign every day. Thanks for the fix. Pedro :  Chat  13:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I used to put templates in headings as well (because I didn't know and didn't use the automatic edit-summary section links). Now I use them a lot more and see why templates in headings are undesirable (especially for high-activity noticeboards). –xeno^talk 13:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again Xeno! Careful I don't come buggin you with technical questions from now on! :) Pedro :  Chat  13:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

User:65.191.25.169

I've had experience with this user before. He's been a vandal for a while and got two warnings (Levels 2 and 3) for vandalising my user page after I dared to contradict him. He then vanished for a while (starting 8 August) and reappeared on the tenth of October by blanking his talk page and one other talk page where I'd discussed his vandalism habits. I commented on the page, assuming good faith and that he might have learned. Since then, while he hasn't returned to vandalism (barring repeatedly deleting the type of media Halo: Reach will be delivered on), his attitude is rapidly growing worse, assuming I'm out to get him and... I think he's now comparing me to a child molester, I'm not totally sure. The spelling of his latest post isn't that great (though it has made me fear for the next Windows OS). Any ideas on how to calm him down? I'm not looking for a block (yet), because I'm still going to assume good faith and that he really does think I'm out to get him (to be fair, it has been me who has reverted the Reach edits every time so far). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

You should keep in mind that per WP:BLANKING, users (including anons) are free to remove warnings from their pages as they see fit. The most recent discussion on this was here. (It looks like the discussion fizzled and the status quo was maintained. It is counter-intuitive, but if you read the past discussions on it, there is some sense in allowing it)

His argument is that stating Halo: Reach will be delivered on DVD-DL is speculation.

To play devils advocate, it's a good thing we didn't state that Six Days in Fallujah was coming out on DVD-DL because it unfortunately never made it to market. (Probably about time to put "was" in that article - has there been any news on it?)

While it's doubtful Microsoft is ready to stop sucking the Halo teat, we still shouldn't state DVD-DL until we are sure. Perhaps they will deliver it via XBLM?

His comparison is unfortunate - I've blanked the talk page and replaced it with welcome-anon. –xeno^talk 18:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we shouldn't be constantly be putting up bully postings of harrassmet should we jade?65.191.25.169 (talk) 20:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, piss off! What you just did is more than I've ever done when all I'm trying to do is make sure you don't vandalise at first (and I started off politely, too). Xeno, I've sent an e-mail to you (to the account you e-mailed me from before).

As for the blanking, fine (though I think it's stupid, really, as people coming to warn may think they've just started out vandalising and give lower warnings).

No, I haven't heard anything from SDiF before or after it was cancelled. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

• You're both acting mostly in good faith but seem to have gotten on each others' bad sides and in some cases made some unfortunate decisions or comments. Why not reboot this and work together? –xeno^talk 13:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  Very well, though I am definitely keeping an eye on him after the thing I e-mailed you about. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  Suppose I better ask if I actually sent the e-mail to the right place? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  Yep - just replied. –xeno^talk 15:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  Replied back. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The hatchet can be buried really easily between us too. Just don't be reverting my edits if it is backed up by substantial citations and references that are from a reliable source and can be verified, and don't undo my deletions dealing with items that are adjusted due to lack of citations, or contradictions, or other similar reason. Also on a side note. I never called you (TheJadeFalcon) a child molester. Unless you felt like it was referring to you then you have my apologizes. As stated on the talk page under humor it was just twisted humor. Done and over with right? I hope so. I never told anyone on you. But you have wanting to tell several users and admin about. So I hope this is done and over with. If not then please let me know. 65.191.25.169 (talk) 20:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

If it your edit adds citations from reliable sources, I wouldn't revert it no matter what else you'd done. As for the child molester comment, it did feel like it was directed at me, as does this. Warnings are given by everybody so that admins know who to ban.

But you have wanting to tell several users and admin about.

Eh? I couldn't understand that sentence. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. I see there is discussion regarding the instant case at the talk page, so hopefully consensus on the media issue will become clear. Cheers, –xeno^talk 20:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  I e-mailed you again. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

PSN pictures have been deleted

Why were they deleted? I thought consensus was reached not to delete the images??? ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 05:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

3 users !voting for keep and 2 for delete and the admin closed as delete... I don't spend much time at FFD but that doesn't seem on. You could file a WP:DRV to review the decision. –xeno^talk 12:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess it doesnt REALLY matter.. I mean, the article seems a bit barren, but it's not terrible. Thanks for your comments though. =) ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 08:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Request..

Hey xeno,

I'd like to talk to you about something in confidence, and I'd prefer to keep it off the wiki. If you are willing to, please email me. (note, you will have to answer a captcha so internet crawlers don't spam me). Thanks

Tim1357--(what?...ohhh) 17:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and email me, xenowikigmail.com. –xeno^talk 20:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Email sent...Tim1357 (talk) 00:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Old articles...

Hey... I had an idea the other day, and I thought you and your army of bots might be able to help me out... If it's even possible... Is there any way to get a list of articles that were created (more than 5 years ago), and have had less than (a dozen edits) in their lifetime, and/or haven't had any new edits in (the last 2 years)? If so, I'm sure that number is in the thousands, so is there any way to then break said list down by year or month/year? I'm feeling a little Impish lately, and would like to see just how many of those articles would conform to today's guidelines and policies... - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like something you could request at WT:DBR. –xeno^talk 00:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

done... we'll see what they say... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Mes thinks at this point in time (or any points in time that extend back a few months), I am also wikiimpish. h and xeno do you ever sleep? You always appear to be online. 'The Ninjalemming' 15:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

My contribution history should show a regular gaps between 5 and 11 UTC. –xeno^talk 15:33, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing this means am, but does that mean my English times or your American times? England is something like nine hours behind (or is that ahead). Ether way that means you would have six hours sleep each day, or if this is pm and am it would be...along time, or am and pm which would also be...along time. My guess is yu don't sleep much and would rather be awake doing things _{lik meeeeee! =P} 'The Ninjalemming' 16:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

24 hr UTC clock. –xeno^talk 16:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Un favor...por favor

Can I ask a favor. Delete this page User:Tarix of Tajun/Guestbook. A diffferent page exists that alread has his sigs, he created this page to satisfy the navbar i gave him. But I fixed the problem and swithed the guestbook link. This page is no longer needed so can you remove it. Please ask him first though. Thanks--Ezekiel 7:19 ^{S†rawberry Fields (sign)} 16:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I deleted it. In future you can just tell someone to add {{db-u1}} to the page. –xeno^talk 16:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Shame on you, xeno. You forgot to ask Tarix himself. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I am teh rouge admin. –xeno^talk 16:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Tut, tut. :D Weird. There was no edit conflict when I posted. My account is clearly magical. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 17:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

NW: thanks

Thanks for [20] William M. Connolley (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I also had a question I left on the talk page [in a really old thread] - TTAPS is an unintroduced acronym... –xeno^talk 21:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh - I'd missed that. OK William M. Connolley (talk) 16:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello, boys!

I'm back! --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 23:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Good to know. Hopefully the so-called "wikivirus" shall not present itself anymore for you. Unless you decide to go back to the library, y'know, for old times sake. –xeno^talk 23:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

(snorts) Sod that! The only times I'll go back there are for cheap print outs and a different IP address to do illegal stuff on. Or if the bizarre cabling situation (don't ask, because I have no clue) collapses in on itself. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 23:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Not quite sure what the rules are, so I'll ask. If I requested it (and I'm still deciding on that), could you block User:86.130.15.26. As the one and only contribution shows, it's my new IP address and I'm considering asking it to be indefinitely blocked to ensure I never accidentally use it to make contributions when I'm not logged in. What would the policies state about this? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 00:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

It's probably not a static IP (right?- you can reset your connection and get a new one) so we wouldn't block it indefinitely. I could block it for a few months at a time, I suppose... –xeno^talk 00:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I would have no idea what it is. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 00:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks like its probably a dynamic IP then. I would just leave it , really. There's some .css you can add to change the save button green when you're logged in, giving you a visual clue if you get logged out. (See User:Xeno/monobook.css). –xeno^talk 15:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll take your word for that. I'll have a look at the .css in a second (though I'll probably be confused). On top of everything now, I've also discovered... wait for it... my pre-installed copy of Windows XP is not genuine. Same for Microsoft Office. The shop I got it from has had its owner vanish. I originally thought that it was family or medical trouble or something, but now I'm not so sure. Boy, things are looking up for me. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm baffled by the coding. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Just add

INPUT#wpSave {
    background-color:#88ff88;
}

to your .css file (/vector.css or /monobook.css, etc.). As for the XP thing - shouldn't be too expensive to get a genuine version, what with XP being two iterations behind... –xeno^talk 15:56, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

It's sixty quid I haven't got right now and won't have until gone Christmas. Is this it? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

If you're using the monobook skin, yes. Then just WP:BYPASS your cache. –xeno^talk 16:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Bypassed cache, using monobook. No change. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, wait. Never mind. You said logged in. I read logged out. Silly me. It works. I also e-mailed you about something entirely separate. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Specifics vs generalities

I understand that you are pointing to a theoretical rationale. But since you've taken time to review the case and comment, I'd really appeciate if you could offer me advice on my edits. Here's a link to my last 500 edits. Please let me know if you find anything disruptive there; I'd really like to learn of that and mend my editing patterns if they are indeed problematic. Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was more commenting on the deterrance needed for the past behaviour. If arbcom simply hands down some wrist-slaps, then other editors might decide that they too can maintain a private mailing list. –xeno^talk 17:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that it doesn't matter what I did, but that for the greater good of the project an example should be made of me to discourage others? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Still speaking generally, if arbcom finds that editors have used off-wiki co-ordination to disrupt the project, then failing to sanction those editors may encourage similar disruptive behaviour on the part of others. I have not reviewed the case in full, and I have not reviewed your last 500 edits as you requested, I was only responding generally to the question 'why are blocks or bans needed?'. –xeno^talk 19:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I see your logic; but I disagree with it. Such lists are usually well hidden in secrecy, and their discovery is a rare fluke (or a result of dedicated hacking... but let's not go in that avenue). I expect that the message being send to other mailing groups is not to disband, but to increase their security precautions :( I believe that such penalties will only radicalize editors further. What is needed is an approach to deradicalize them and engage them constructively. This is based not only on my personal experiences, but on research I've done into systems or repression and resistance. Harsh repressions have never eradicated the problem, they have only driven it more underground, created martyrs and encouraged sympatizers to become more radicalized (for a specific case, see for example one of the articles I've written, the Anti-partisan_operations_in_World_War_II#Against_the_Soviet_partisans - and look at the failure of German "cauldron" approach). The only way to break this cycle is by asking such groups to become open and responsible, rebuilding good faith on all sides. That's why I have for the last month proposed a series of reconciliation-focused remedies. PS. I will again ask you to look at my edits and tell me if you see anything that needs to be changed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

You're probably right (about driving mailing lists underground). I've annotated my comment there [21].

I don't really have the time nor expertise in the subject area to voir dire your last 500 edits. But I'm sure they're fine. Cheers, –xeno^talk 20:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Btw, in my 4.5 years as an admin I was always very wary of bans. See my thoughts here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Question

What is with all of these high profile socks and high profile restarters? It is really starting to get out of control. Is this the new fad? Should people start stock piling sock armies because there appears to be plenty that get revealed every day lately. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I can't even keep track of who is who anymore. I must say, I'm starting to become disenchanted with the project. –xeno^talk 18:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the Mattisse stuff, there were at least 3 restart/sock accounts that were in the discussion furthering the battleground on both sides. Then there was that crazy Sparks persona. There are a few others too. I almost want there to be a confirmed editor only state just so that consensus can be achieved without all of the bs. I'm tired of the games. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, so many axes... The grinding becomes a cacophony... –xeno^talk 18:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

AUSC questions

I've answered your questions, but you should know the version of my personal policies you linked is outdated.--Tznkai (talk) 15:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Well it is now! You just changed it 15 minutes ago =) Anyhow, RevDel is getting rolled out to admins as soon as someone fulfills the bugzilla. –xeno^talk 15:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I felt it was important to clarify OS includes suppression tool - in fact, I hope that traditional OS will be phased out completely soon.--Tznkai (talk) 15:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Block, Please

I request this a lot, don't I? While this user hasn't done anything to annoy me personally... well, look at his talk page. About a trillion warnings and, apparently, not one block. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 17:52, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

They've been blocked lots and are currently on a 6-month vacation [22] =) –xeno^talk 17:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Sorry. I'd only looked at the talk page and even then I'd meant to post half an hour before I did because I got distracted by the fact that I remember none of my 76 contacts in Windows Live Messenger. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 17:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Sometimes admins forget to post block notes =) I went ahead and did so. –xeno^talk 18:03, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry for bothering you. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:11, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Aggressive approach to issues

(copied from User talk:IP69.226.103.13)

Your aggressive approach is not something that can be shown in a single diff, but is a pattern of behaviour that I have observed in your treatment of various situations including Anybot, the editFilter, CobraBot, and now Betacommand. Wikipedia not a battleground. Please temper your contributions and realize that you may not always get your way. Best regards, –xeno^talk 18:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Betacommand calls me a "13-year-old" says I "cannot follow instructions" and you say I'm the aggressive one?

Anybot posts over 5000 bad articles that have to be deleted, the wikipedia community ignores my comments, and I'm the aggressive one?

How long do you advise me to leave garbage on wikipedia to be copied into wikipedia mirrors?

If you cannot provide a diff, stop talking about it, Xeno. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 18:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

That you were right about the Anybot situation didn't make your approach to the situation any more desirable. –xeno^talk 18:12, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Your aggressive approach can be seen in your entire contribution history. I'm sure that if you continue with your current approach, you will eventually wind up at WP:RFC/U. Do try to remember that we are all volunteers here, and all trying to improve Wikipedia in our own way. I'm sure that a more moderate approach will net you greater success in your pursuits - you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. –xeno^talk 18:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm a volunteer, but I'm expected to understand instructions perfectly. And if I don't follow them perfectly I'll be insulted by an editor who was community banned for insulting newbies and you'll fully support that insult?

Your concerns don't read true, Xeno, because they're not general concerns about wikipedian's behavior. They're addressed and about me personally.

And a user who was community banned for treating newbie editors badly at BAG is allowed to repeatedly attack me, and you, as an administrator will wikilawyer to death anyone complaining about that user?

Your concerns don't read true, Xeno, because they're not equally applied to all editors. They're only applied to me, not to Betacommand whom you jumped to defend, long before you criticized his/her actions as inappropriate.

I've attempted to be more civil. And what it's got me is targeted by Betacommand, his/her targeting aggressively supported by you.

Your concerns simply don't read true, Xeno. They're only addressed to me, and you're willing to use them against me, but not in general for a better community.

You've fully established what becoming less aggressive will earn me: personal attacks from Betacommand aggressively supported by you? Betacommand started on me at BAG and is continuing. And you're supporting it. It's clear from the ArbCom decision that he had problems at BAG and was sanctioned for these problems. But these problems and his/her bringing them back, don't concern you. It's not about the community, you've made this about me personally.

You keep throwing it back at me. Betacommand's history doesn't harm him/her. Why should mine be held against me when I haven't been community banned and gone through an ArbCom? It should and will, because you're determined to make it about me.

I've tried being less aggressive for the past month or so. I got played. And insulted. By you and others on both counts. I would like to write articles. I would like to see useful, community approved bots on wikipedia. I would like to not be called a "13-year-old" and told I "cannot follow instructions" by community banned members. You seem determined to make sure that does not happen.

Before you come back at me with a comment, think about what you're doing. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain how this is wikilawyering to support Betacommand? –xeno^talk 18:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain to me how this is not? You just wikilawyered me, you know, by gleaning a clean diff of yours. It doesn't hold, Xeno. You're supporting Betacommand 100% no matter what.

I'm reading the ArbCom about Betacommand and finding out why. The same issues you are supporting him in right now are what brought sanctions against him in the first place. He's had problems at BAG and BRFA, including a speedy approval the community disagreed with. You might pause to think about your actions while you're aggressively supporting Betacommand's right to issue personal attacks. It's not really a support of Betacommand, wikipedia, yourself, BAG, BRFA policy, or en.wiki administrators in general to rush to support Betacommand if you know any of the history of his sanctions.

I'm going to put an end to this by no longer monitoring your page, Xeno. I suggest you back away from me and not continue to rush to Betacommand's support and to attacking me on his behalf in the future. It's strained. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 18:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

By the time I got around to reviewing the next comment you had already posted three more times to his page. I am not as speedy as you. Clearly this shows that I did not 'support Betacommand 100%', nor did I attack you, but you may continue to misconstrue the situation if you desire. –xeno^talk 18:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Review Mah Edhits Pleaze!

Hey Xeno,

You being my adopter and all, I was wondering if you could review my first dispute resolution [23] Thankys! Tim1357 (talk) 02:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Care to be bored?

Hi Xeno, i just came across what seems to be a giant puff-piece written by one of the man's students. Would you care to read through its and eradicate every POV you'll find? I just don't have the necessary patience! Thank you, --RCS (talk) 14:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Me? Patience? You must be new here! ;> –xeno^talk 14:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Rollback Abuse

I've just possibly abused rollback priviledges out of laziness. I just reverted everything a user has ever done because he was adding in what I took to be advertisements for games on the matching page. After I sorted out the ones on my watchlist, I left a note on his talk page explaining what I had done and and why and also why I used the rollback feature. If I'm due for any sort of punishment, go right ahead and I'll keep it in mind for next time, or is this an acceptable use of rollbacking? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, look at the usage notes for Template:MobyGames. It says: "This template is for generating links to MobyGames game entries. Please only add it in instances where it provides additional or strongly-supporting information to the article." Do those additions run afoul of the usage notes?

I would not have used rollback with the default edit summary there because the edits were arguably done in good faith. However, if they were due for removal, I may have used rollbacksummary.js to modify the rollback summary - and then at that point it's no longer really considered a rollback. –xeno^talk 13:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can see (though I only looked at a couple due to preparing to leave the house for the day (and I'm at a library here, so no time again)), they didn't seem to add anything interesting to the article. Also, rollbacksummary.js? What's that? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

It allows you to change the edit summary given when you click on 'rollback'. This allows you to use rollback to easy undo a bunch of edits with the same edit summary and then they are no longer considered standard rollbacks (i.e. you can use them as you would use "undo"). Add this to your monobook.js.

importScript('User:Mr.Z-man/rollbackSummary.js'); // allows tweaking of rollback edit summary

Just err on the side of caution in the future. Lazyness is not an excuse =) –xeno^talk 13:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to mass-rollback yourself and then do a manual review and make sure each of those links is inappropriate. –xeno^talk 13:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I know laziness isn't an excuse, hence the self-report. However, it was partially that and partially because I walked out of the door thirty seconds later, so I was in a bit of a rush to get it done before I forgot. And like this?

As for the mass-rollback... (sighs) Do I have to? (starts getting down to it) What do I have to look for again? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 17:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Do not add the links back in just yet. Wait to see if we can find a good reason to put them back in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#MobyGames_paid_Wikipedia.3F.--Lorson (talk) 23:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Until xeno reappeared, I wasn't planning to. I have no idea what to look for in them. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 23:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Just take direction from the thread Lorson linked above. –xeno^talk 12:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd love to, but no consensus has emerged yet and doesn't seem to be any time soon. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 14:35, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Just leave it as is, then =) –xeno^talk

Okay. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

sockpuppet user

Hi Xeno. Can you activated this user? Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikhailov Kusserow (talk • contribs) 20:48, 30 October 2009

I think, as the blocking administrator, I think you should really go through Sarah. As far as I can see, xeno has little or nothing to do with Hadiyana. Also, xeno, in case you do, here's a more relevant link. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I left a message for Sarah; but she appears to be on a short break. If she doesn't reply in the next little while, I'll take a closer look and see about unblocking. –xeno^talk 12:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Query: was my comment useful in any way or totally obvious and therefore superflous? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

It was most definitely useful =) Blocking admins should typically be afforded the right of first refusal. In this case, it looks like Sarah is amenable to their return to editing so I just need to review what lead to the block and set out some guidelines for the editor to follow after their unblock. –xeno^talk 13:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Huh. I'm actually sort of surprised since it's the first time I've ever really commented on something like that and, as I pointed out, I've got no real clue as to what actually caused it (though a bit of searching revealed some things). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

In the suspected sockpuppets category, it lists the two that are confirmed puppets. Is this the standard procedure, or did someone simply forget to move them out of the former category? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, probably just someone forgot to change it over... Don't forget to prefix category links with : (colon) when discussing them, you've just turned me into a sockpuppet ;p –xeno^talk 13:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

(blushes) Oops. Sorry. Never linked to a category before. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 17:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Just realised I wasn't clear. I actually meant my comment on their talk page rather than the one above. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 14:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was useful too. Next time also remind the user to actually put up an {{unblock}} template, this way any administrator can review and take a look. Most would have probably came to the same conclusion: after a year with no socking we can always give users another shot. –xeno^talk 18:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Random question: what's the coding for the arrow when you outdent a line? I can't remember. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

← ? & l a r r ;

← Umm... okay? I think that coding hates me, because that's what I typed earlier and it didn't work then. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

&laar; wanted to try it as well. =P But due to your last edit summary xeno does this mean you have the flu or did it mean something else? =S 'The Ninjalemming' 21:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

What do you think? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 22:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Yep! =D Maybe these a 'get well soon' thing on commons 'The Ninjalemming' 18:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

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