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Please provide a citation to a reliable source for this edit. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Done: used the Oxford English Dictionary online page reference, but can also refer from that to many other sources. Winterstoke1 (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

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Perhaps you are confused about categorisation. Please read WP:Categorization#Articles, including WP:CATV and WP:CATDEF, and then reconsider your recent edits. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

To add to that: regarding this edit, of what possible relevance is the category here? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

If @Winterstoke1: doesn't reply with a reasonable explanation it can probably just be put up for CfD as most of the articles in it don't seem to be that closely linked to the subject. FozzieHey (talk) 23:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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Categorisation queries

Thank you all for referting my categories. I am trying to identify pages that relate specifically to Combe Down village. The Somerset and Dorset Railwy ran directly below the village through the famous Combe Down tunnel, which is why I applied the category to the relevant pages. I agree re the 1996 Channel Tunnel fire; however the page does mention Combe Down. I wish to maintain the categorisation for the Somerset & Dorset Railway and for several of the other pages that one or other of you has reverted. David Biddulph (talk) FozzieHey (talk) Redrose64 🌹 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winterstoke1 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Could you please explain to us where in the article 1996 Channel Tunnel fire it mentions Combe Down? The vast proportion of the pages which you have added to the category do not belong. Are you going to revert them, or are you going to ask User:Redrose64 to do a global revert with his admin tools? --David Biddulph (talk) 23:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

My error: it is a cross-reference to a list of transportation fires. --Winterstoke1 (talk) 23:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Winterstoke1.Before adding Categories to any more article, please read Wikipedia:categorization#Articles and note in particular where it says: A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define[1] the subject as having... Your Village is not a characteristic of most of the articles you have added to even if the subject is important to the village, the village is not important to the subject. the relationship is simply not equal. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 23:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

OK that makes sense. However, I maintain that if for example a building is built entirely of Combe Down stone, then that meets the defining characteristinc, whereby the village is important to the subject? I seem to have got involved with a gang of three here! and feel rather outnumbered by wikipedians. I will leave it up to you to decide whether I am making funamental errors in e ery category or whether some of my categorisations are relevant, eg, Harry Patch, who was born and bred in Combe Down.--Winterstoke1 (talk) 23:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Harry Patch is fine because, as you say, there is a clear link from Harry to the village. For the more general articles, the lists and suchlike, a question to ask yourself when adding a category is "my village is the first to be added here ... how come no other towns/villages are in this category?". Wire723 (talk) 11:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks for that Wire723 (talk) 11:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)--Winterstoke1 (talk) 15:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I see I'm not the first to have encountered your enthusiastic WP:CATEGORISATION... Enthusiasm is good, but you have to remember that Wikipedia has 20 years of writing about settlements and in that time we've got a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't - and some arbitrary conventions which may not always make sense, but they are conventions. So when you're writing about a village, you can be sure that there are 100,000's of editors who have done so before you, you are not the first. So it's a good idea to start by just having a look around to get a feel for what the conventions are. For something like building materials, I'd start with an article like St Paul's Cathedral, which is well known for being made of Portland stone and certainly has no shortage of editors working on the article - but is not categorised by building material. So that's a pretty good hint that it's probably not generally considered a WP:DEFINING characteristic. Another way to think of WP:DEFINING is - is this one of the 3 most important things to know about a subject? For most buildings that generally means where it is, what it's used for, and maybe when it was built or who designed it. Combe Down is not one of the three most important things to know about Somerset, so that article should not have Combe Down as a category. So in general - don't try to reinvent the wheel. Have a look at the articles and categories for other Somerset villages - ie Category:Populated places in Somerset - to get a feel for how it's done, there's plenty of work just to bring them up to the standard of Category:GA-Class Somerset articles, without heading off on new tacks. Le Deluge (talk) 00:14, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes U give in. I have been told off enough now. Thanks for explaining again. Winterstoke1 (talk) 00:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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