Whlee

Do not hesitate to share your knowledge on Wikipedia. ^^

Archives:

• 1 (08/26/05-05/14/07)

Help where?

Where's the article that you're working on? I'm a bit confused. Cydevil38 22:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better to draw out a map delineating locations of Balhae's provinces. I think this map is a pretty good reference. Cydevil38 03:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

RfC User Conduct on Assault11

I have filed for a RfC User Conduct on Assault11 for disruptive editing at template:History of Manchuria. The RfC needs more than one disputant to sign it to have it come to effect. As one of the editors who's been disputing with Assault11, can you please certify the basis for this dispute? Please read the description, then sign here if you agree with it. Cydevil38 15:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

manchu wikipedia

sorry for the late reply, I've kind of busy in real life and haven't been on wikipedia on a regular basis =(. in reply to your idea of a manchu wikipedia, that sounds like a great idea! unfortunately I'm not a native speaker and still learning as well. Anyway on another related matter, I see that you are also interested in expanding the information available on the English Wikipedia as well. A Translucent Mirror: History and Identity in Qing Imperial Ideology by Pamela Kyle Crossley is a very good source in case you're looking for English sources to cite. [1]. Abstrakt

Let me take a look

Give me some time for the Balhae sources. Good friend100 11:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

알개습니다 고마워요!Whlee 12:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Manchu-English dictionary

Not sure if this might help your work on Manchu wikipedia but here's the link. http://www.anaku.cn/Blog/index.php?job=art&articleid=a_20060818_221852

Abstrakt 03:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Cautious POV

Hey, I'm sorry. I was just mocking the proposal of being cautious about POVness when POV is obviously zero. See you around. (Wikimachine 02:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC))

template:History of Manchuria

I've seen your template and I'd disagree with it. Its title is anachronistic and its usage is virtually nil under historical context, so it's not appropriate for a template on history. Also, it's overly long. Manchuria is the most common term used under historical context, which has been proven by google books search, and it's common sense for people who often read about the region's history that Manchuria is the most common term and using "Russia" or "China" to refer to this region in relation to historical entities is absurd. Cydevil38 04:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Jiejunkong states: Wikipolicy WP:NCGN is aware of the controversy in using old names, as it states "in a modern context" as a constraint. And i can only be agree with that, up to now Jiejunkong and I haven't found a suitable title yet this is therefore a temporary title. Concerning Manchuria (this term started to be used since 1817), i think that term is still commonly used if i find recent reliable and official maps then Manchuria prevail if not mentionned it would become difficult to prevent revert edit wars like now.Whlee 08:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Northeastern China is just a sad excuse to continue pushing for Northeast China(previously titled Northeastern China[2] until User:Naus change it a few weeks ago), and Jiejunkong is just selectively interpreting the WP:NCGN to fit his needs. This template is on history, which means that it's written under historical context. Read the WP:NCGN, where it says If the place does not exist anymore, or the article deals only with a place in a period when it held a different name, the widely accepted historical English name should be used. I have repeatedly provided evidence that under historical context(i.e. in relation to the template's contents), Manchuria is by far the most common name. If Manchuria cannot be used in modern context because "it does not exist anymore", then that post-Manchuria part of the region's history should be split off from the History of Manchuria template. WP:NCGN provides an excellent example in this regard:

• *Istanbul or Constantinople? Istanbul is the single widely accepted English name in modern context, but Constantinople is a widely accepted historical English name. Now Constantinople is a separate article covering the history of Istanbul until 1453 and the term used to refer to the city in historical context before 1453.[3]

It is even controversial whether "Northeast China" is the "single widely accepted English name in modern context", since Manchuria is also commonly used in that regard. And in historical context, Manchuria is by far the most common term to refer to that region. And could "Northeastern China" be a viable geographic term used under historical context? The major problem with this usage is that not only is it not clearly defined in authoritative sources such as dictionaries, it is also anachronistism at its worst, because "China" is a cultural region, and since this cultural region fluctuated considerably throughout history, this "northeastern" China constantly changes geography-wise. These users are just trying to push for a sinocentric term disregarding the opinion of others. Many editors have already expressed their preference for Manchuria and opposed Northeast China. Jiejunkong et al should just learn to live with compromises and opinions of others. Cydevil38 10:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

You have to discuss with him directly so as to find a compromise between both parties (pro-Northeast China and anti-Northeast China) because My low level in English proficiency do not allow me to strenghthen my arguments based on reliable sources. When i write in English peple often misundertstand what i'd lke to say. If you want i can help you to bring them so as to fight against strong chauvinism/Nationalism.Whlee 15:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe they just can't be convinced otherwise, they're so too nationalistic. So I'm trying to have it so that they'll have to reach majority consensus in order to rename the title of the template, like a request for move on article titles. A lot of editors, including an administrator, have showed support for the title "Manchuria", so you don't have to cave into the demands of a few editors who are too nationalistic to see things from a neutral point of view. Anyways, I'll make some changes to your template proposal to what I believe to be appropriate. Please consider them. Cydevil38 22:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

To avoid revert wars, I suggest first proposing a draft template on the article's talk page and do a survey on whether editors agree on it. Notify the editors who were previously involved, and give it some time to receive comprehensive input. If consensus is reached by majority of editors, just make the change. Cydevil38 22:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:NCGN

I have just read WP:NCGN in detail, and here's what I found.

• In widely accepted names, the current name covers the modern era period, while historical name covers the relevant historical period.
• WP:NCGN has layed out a procedural guideline to proving a widely accepted name. You don't have to go looking for archaic maps to provide evidence. There is already a guideline to proving the appropriate widely accepted name. I'm gathering evidence for Manchuria covering the historical periods of Goguryeo, Liao Dynasty and Jin Dynasty, as well as Gojoseon and Balhae in some cases. That covers the first millennia of Manchuria's history. So far, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of Manchuria. If Jiejunkong and Wiki pokemon continues to insist on Northeast China and its variants, we can simply split the template, having Manchuria cover the historical periods where it is widely accepted, while letting Northeast China or its variant cover the contemporary history or the historical period where that term is widely accepted(if such historical period exists). And if Jiejunkong and Wiki pokemon wants to change the template's title, let them file a WP:RM and try to reach a consensus. Otherwise, lets just stick to the title. Cydevil38 07:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your support for the future gan.wikipedia.org --Jose77 01:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

on your proposal for changes to the template

Can you maybe cut down on some of the contents? It has way too many entries and when it is actually put on articles, it will clog it significantly. I think it has a lot of extraneous elements to it, such as ethnic groups. You don't have to include all ethnic groups into the template, perhaps just some of the ethnic groups that had a significant role in Manchuria's history. You can create another template on all the ethnic groups of the region, or other regions, such as Northeast Asia.

Also, don't mind too much about the title of the template. Jiejunkong and Wikipokemon continues to dispute the title, but so far have provided no evidence to their claims and ignores the recommended protocol set forth by WP:NCGN. They should just learn to work by consensus rather than personal preferences. If they think they can establish Northeast China as the appropriate name for the template, they should do so per the recommended protocol from WP:NCGN and file for a Request for Move to reach a conesnsus. Otherwise, don't mind the title, just focus on the contents. Cydevil38 02:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Then perhaps we can present "less important" entities that had minor roles in the region's history with smaller fonts, and also present ethnic groups or treaties in smaller fonts. At least that will save some space. What do you think? Cydevil38 00:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

List of monarchs of Korea

한국사이긴 하나, 중국의 식민기구이므로 포함시키면 안됩니다. 어느 한국인도 이 기구들의 통치자들을 자국왕이라 생각하지 않습니다.

Between Korea one it is long, when it is a colonial organization of China it is not included it is made. Which Korean does not think the rule people of these organizations the home country king.--Korea history 01:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Korean History Forum

Hello, Are you interested in running a Korean History forum? I already have one running but I don't have the time to maintain I was hoping a new forum could be created, where I could transfer all of my data and members to yours, are you interested? Jegal 00:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The relation between Hungarian and Mohe/Jurchen/Mongol

Hey, thank you for posting a new reference in Dae Jung-sang. I believe Hungarians were originally from northwestern Asia but hasn't found enough proof. The new reference is quite useful.--Jiejunkong 00:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing image Image:Manchuria basin.JPG

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Image:Manchuria basin.JPG, by Alex valavanis (talk · contribs), another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Image:Manchuria basin.JPG is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Image:Manchuria basin.JPG, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. --Android Mouse Bot 2 10:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

"North East" China geography stub types

See my earlier edit comment. What you're doing is essentially vandalising these templates. The whole point of a stub template is that it populates a category: removing the category completely defeats the purpose of having them. The current scheme is consistent with Northeast China, with the other stub categories also corresponding to PRC-designated "regions". The individual provinces also don't have enough articles to have their own stub categories. If you have some objection to this scheme, please proposed changing it at an appropriate venue and get consensus to do so, or if you really must, propose the stub category for deletion (or renaming, or replacement with something else). I'm going to fix these (again), and if you keep "de-categorising" them, I'll protect them. Alai 16:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

That'd essentially be a renaming, so if you really think it'd be a good idea, I'd suggest taking it to WP:SFD. I'd have to say it seems a dubious candidate, though: Manchuria is a historical term, and highly ambiguous in scope; Northeast China seems both more "current", and more clearly-defined. Alai 22:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Chieftains of the Jurchens

Hi since I'm lacking in reading Korean, could please help with the List of Chieftains of the Jurchens article and compare it with the list on [4], thanks Abstrakt —Preceding comment was added at 04:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:Oei Invasion.jpg

A tag has been placed on Image:Oei Invasion.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image with an unknown source or an unknown copyright status which has been tagged as such for more than 7 days, and it still lacks the necessary information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on [[ Talk:Image:Oei Invasion.jpg|the talk page]] explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ClanCC _{(T / ^C)} 22:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Campaignbox 2nd Koryo - Khitan War

A tag has been placed on Template:Campaignbox 2nd Koryo - Khitan War requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Teochew Wikipedia

Good Morning Whlee,

The Request for the creation of Teochew Wikipedia has been created here. Your support would be appreciated very much. Thankyou. --202.36.179.66 (talk) 00:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

August 2008

Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to First Goryeo-Khitan War. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Merging Russian projects into one project - your input requested

Hi, you are receiving this message as you are a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Russian history. I have made a proposal to merge several Russian related projects into WP:RUSSIA. You can view the proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Russian_history#Proposal_for_overhaul_and_creation_of_a_single_WP:RUSSIA_project. As a member of the Russian history project, your input is requested; so that all editors are reading off the same page please limit discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia/Proposal. We all look forward to your input. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 10:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: TBG(藏骨集团)

I've got this message in Chinese Wikipedia. Thank you. However, I cannot speak Sibe, I have also been a middle school student for 3 years. (There are a lot of students, or teenagers in Chinese Wikipedia, because of the special places of Chinese) Also, I am at the forefort in Chinese Wikipedia, because of my ability of translation. Thank you. --TBG (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Boots Collagenese

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Boots Collagenese. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boots Collagenese. Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Head of government of Korea for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Head of government of Korea is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Head of government of Korea until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library!

World Digital Library Wikipedia Partnership - We need you!

Hi Whlee! I'm the Wikipedian In Residence at the World Digital Library, a project of the Library of Congress and UNESCO. I'm recruiting Wikipedians who are passionate about history & culture to participate in improving Wikipedia using the WDL's vast free online resources. Participants can earn our awesome WDL barnstar and help to disseminate free knowledge from over 100 libraries in 7 different languages. Multilingual editing encouraged!!! But being multilingual is not a necessity to make this project a success. Please sign up to participate here. Thanks for editing Wikipedia and I look forward to working with you! 20:13, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Alliance Boots

Template:Alliance Boots has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Cloudbound (talk) 22:58, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of 17 Cosmetics for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 17 Cosmetics is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/17 Cosmetics until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Greenbörg (talk) 15:09, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Luminese

The article Luminese has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non notable brand. No sourced content to merge.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Lennart97 (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Image source problem with File:Manchuria 820.JPG

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading File:Manchuria 820.JPG.

This image is a derivative work, containing an "image within an image". Examples of such images would include a photograph of a sculpture, a scan of a magazine cover, or a screenshot of a computer game or movie. In each of these cases, the rights of the creator of the original image must be considered, as well as those of the creator of the derivative work.

While the description page states who made this derivative work, it currently doesn't specify who created the original work, so the overall copyright status is unclear. If you did not create the original work depicted in this image, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright.

If you have uploaded other derivative works, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described in section F4 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 09:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC). If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 09:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Image source problem with File:Manchuria 820+Shiwei.JPG

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading File:Manchuria 820+Shiwei.JPG.

This image is a derivative work, containing an "image within an image". Examples of such images would include a photograph of a sculpture, a scan of a magazine cover, or a screenshot of a computer game or movie. In each of these cases, the rights of the creator of the original image must be considered, as well as those of the creator of the derivative work.

While the description page states who made this derivative work, it currently doesn't specify who created the original work, so the overall copyright status is unclear. If you did not create the original work depicted in this image, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright.

If you have uploaded other derivative works, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described in section F4 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 09:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC). If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 09:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Category:Tungus rulers has been nominated for merging

Category:Tungus rulers has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)