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Thanks. :) →javért ^stargaze 04:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Bored. Can't sleep. Huggle time. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 04:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's much appreciated. Though, I'm sure that you know that. :) →javért ^stargaze 04:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

your warning

Yes, the wording was appropriate. As you see, it is often useful in such as situation to look at everything else the contributer has submitted, with an eye to the sort of writing that is a copyright violation. You will see from my note on her p. that, although I could have immediately deleted the articles, I held back a little to permit them to be rewritten. If there is no response by the end of the day, which I think likely, I will stubbify or rewrite them. Which one I choose depends of how notable the subject is, and whether I myself am willing to rewrite if necessary. It is unlikely that any permission to use the material is or will be knowingly granted according to our license--museums are very hesitant to give a license permitting commercial use. The repeated reversion of the redirect, the entry of the same text under different titles, the use of excessive external links to related more notable institutions, and the blatant & repeated copyright violations, are signs of refusal to cooperate. Many admins would have already blocked her. I'll follow up on this. DGG (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for the feedback. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal

Hi there; I've volunteered to mediate a Mediation Cabal case with which you may be involved. Please read the mediator notes section on the case page or feel free to remove your name from the list of participants on said page. GrooveDog (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

MiszaBot III

If you have your archiving set to "3 days", MiszaBot doesn't usually archive until day 4.5. At least, that's been my experience. :) Hope that helps, →javért ^stargaze 17:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Jah, I figured as much, but I'm impatient. And running on 100% Red Bull power as of this moment. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, okay. →javért ^stargaze 17:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Dunno about "wings," but I do have jittery legs. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, just behave. I would hate to start sending {{uw-vandalism}} warnings your way... ;) →javért ^stargaze 17:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yessir. Oh, and please check your email at your earliest convenience, merci. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Replied. ;) →javért ^stargaze 17:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

You guys are lazy. You use MiszaBot (who is unreliable and looks ugly). I do it manually, which gets my edit count up. Red Bull does give you jittery legs, doesn't it. I noticed that. So does drinking 8 cans of diet coke. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 18:55, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Which I have not ever done, but I assume Diet Coke has the same effect as the regular stuff. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 18:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

J&K

It appears we may have duck on our hands. Most recent diffs: BC223 and R7604. I've notified Tom of my suspicion and have asked him what we should do. I just thought I'd let you know too and see what you thought. Am I being a little twitchy? --13² 18:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Not at all. Wikipedia:An obvious sock is obvious. It looks like Tom agreed with you. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 02:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

69.65.224.246

Looks like we've got a bit of a live one on our hands. Thanks for the quick catch of his attempt on my talk page. I've reported him at AIV. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C03:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Happy to help! Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 03:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

*Ding*

You know the drill. :) →javért ^stargaze 21:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Even I know the drill. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 21:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha. Oh, Sponge, in regards to moving sockpuppet categories around.. don't do it. It wouldn't be a good idea. ;) →javért ^stargaze 21:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Silly people. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 02:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

What? Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 10:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Gay Galifianakis?

Vicenarian - I do not believe this edit is unconstructive, although your opinion clearly differs. This is actually a very relevant piece of information to be added to his wiki page. Note that I did not STATE that he was gay/bisexual, since it is not a known fact... however... the fact of what was said during his stay at The Tonight Show IS fact. ...and based upon that, along with other various self-suggestive Gay/Bisexual comments made on prior occasions by Galifianakis, a great amount of speculation has risen among fans and industry companions. That specualtion IS real.. and therefore a fact. So, I have stated nohting but fact in my edit. Also, to say such an edit is unconstructive is preposterous. Personal life, on Wikipedia... in many, many cases contains information about sexuality. Especially when it comes to highly public figures such as actors, musicians and comedians. It is quite unfair to say that this is not relevant information. Also, on another note... there has been specualtion that Galifianakis is set to make a public statement in 2009 regarding his sexuality. A fact which I could have included, but did not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.131.39 (talk • contribs)

Speculation doesn't cut it for a biography or most anything on Wikipedia. Cite a reliable source or the content will be removed. Thank you. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 03:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Again, I'm not specualting on fact. The *fact* I stated was that specualtion has arisen... and the other fact I stated was of what was actually said. So... if I were to site a link to that episode, or even further, specific segment of Conan O'Brien... that should suffice, correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.131.39 (talk) 03:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

No, you would need to cite a source that speculated on his sexuality or commented on the speculation, not some joke he made on Conan; otherwise, this is considered original research. And even if you were to cite a source, I still think it would be considered a violation of Wikipedia's biography policy. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 03:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Correct. Since sexuality is a "hot button" issue to some, you would have to provide a link to a WP:RS stating your claim. →javért ^stargaze 03:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Also, it seems to me that the logic "I made a homoerotic joke, therefore I am gay" is fallacious. But that's beside the point. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Userpage

Meh, I liked the old one better. :P --Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 21:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Lol, that was entirely to see how many watchers noticed and commented. :-D Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Reverting it would have been entirely unoriginal! :) – B.hotep •talk• 22:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was also wondering if someone would not notice it was ME vandalizing my OWN page, and revert me on reflex. :) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 22:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, untrained trigger-finger causes rollback revocation... good job nobody did. ;) – B.hotep •talk• 22:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

FWIW Vicenarian, I noticed the "health issue" bar at the top of your talk page; I hope you get well soon. :) Best, Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 22:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. As soon as the bureaucratic cogs of the American health care system grind out my CPAP machine, I'll feel much better. :) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

On your promotion to "Senior Deletion Review Editor". I wish you all the best on your new assignment. Feel free to email me if you have any questions as to what your new duties may entail. All the best, →javért ^stargaze 23:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, apparently, I'm a woman. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, well congrats on that, too. How's that working out for you? ;) →javért ^stargaze 23:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Um, fine? Funny, that coming from someone who seems to put a great deal of thought and effort into his commentary... Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Took you a second, J, eh? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 00:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I had originally read your comment too quickly. Then I realised, I never put "a great deal of thought and effort" into anything that I say. :) →javért ^stargaze 00:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

MfD

Deleted offending material as requested from User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)
Have deleted offending material as you all requested from User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) according to Wikipedia rules that you have pointed out about not appearing to attach any living person or organisation on in a Wikipedia article. Please would you all be so kind to review your individual "to keep" or "to delete" decisions in the light of the revised edit on this article, many thanks again for all your contribution, thoughts, advice and guidance as you all have a lot more experience at this than IPenright (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 23:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 23:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 23:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 00:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I have taken note of your revisions, however, my opinion remains the same. No personal offense is meant against you, I just do not think this will make an appropriate article for Wikipedia. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 00:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't mean to poke about it

But are you still going to review Nintendo DSi for GAN? I wouldn't poke you about it but it's been over a week since you called it to review.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Same here. It's been almost eleven days since you started Ratchet & Clank's review. Sorry, I feel really bad. Sorry. Please forgive me. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 14:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Never fear, I'm still going to review both articles, most likely this weekend. I usually let an article sit for about a week after I put my review stamp on it, to let others comment and to watch to see if it undergoes any major changes. These will be a little delayed due to IRL issues. Thanks for your patience! Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 22:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 10:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou

I looked through my history and noticed you removed some vandalism on my account. Thanks! Kausill 13:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

No thanks necessary, it's both my pleasure and duty. Happy editing! Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 22:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

A Certain IP

I think an IP you've given a warning to belongs to a school in this place. It's been blocked but I'm just letting you know. Kausill 12:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

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Welcome back

I hope that your break was restful. Nice to see you back and editing again. →javért ^stargaze 23:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. It was restful. Glad to be back because the fun never stops! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

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Oh, I am SO sorry (whimper, whimper)!

Hi! I thought you were on a break! It's certainly nice to hear from you; this bout with an individual insisting on an unsuitable username is giving me a headache. Your timing is impeccable. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I was. And am, sort of. But, you know, that watchlist is just a click away... :-) And you are welcome - I try to spread a little humor with my V-Wisdom^(TM). You fight off the horde with grace, friend. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

hi

		The Hello Barnstar
		This is to say hello to a fellow Wikipedian User F203 (talk) 19:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC))

Hi! And thanks! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think our paths have crossed, but I noticed you removing yourself from the "highly active" list and then your health note. You have my best wishes for a speedy recovery from whatever's ailing you! -Pete (talk)

Thank you, sir! Kind words like yours make the sometimes stressful Wikilife easier. :) I hope to be back in highly active form in a few weeks. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

George School

Hi! You recently posted a refimprove and a tooshort tag on the George School page. I've expanded the opening para per guidelines. Probably needs some work, but I thought it was good enough to remove the tooshort tag. I'm wondering about the refimprove tag, though. Would you mind sharing on the discussion page where you think more references are needed? Many of the sections are pretty heavily referenced already, to my eye: the history and school programs pages in particular. It's certainly something I've had an eye on for some time now. Are you looking for a wider variety of sources (good luck, the school does not have a ton of external sources), or a minimum of a certain number of sources per section? Some guidelines would be helpful. Thanks!--Natcase (talk) 04:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello! I'd be happy to read through the page thoroughly and do a sort of "GA review" (which they tell me I'm good at) on the talk page. However, it's a time- and concentration-intensive effort for me, and I already have a few I've promised to do, so it may be a bit. Seems like you got a handle on the lede, though. Any chance for an image or two? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

:)

Nice. :D →javért ^chat 05:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That took me several minutes to write AND gave me a headache, but it was fun! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Vicodin + water = no headache. ;) →javért ^chat 05:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Shhh, the DEA reads our talk pages AND has CU privileges! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That's okay, I have a prescription. :D →javért ^chat 05:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Try editing Vicodin and I'll have you on WP:COIN and WP:ANI AND WP:RFARB so fast... Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

←Oops. →javért ^chat 05:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Do not tempt the V. You will not like the V when he is angry. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

True that. But it wasn't him, it was someone else using his computer. ;) →javért ^chat 05:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Happens to me, too - I am two different people editing before and after coffee. Guess which person left the above linked comment? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The one that could have used some of Javert's stash of narcotics. :p →javért ^chat 05:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. I just noticed what time it is.. hope everything is well. →javért ^chat 05:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

All is well. The perils of too much caffeine. But thanks. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I sure hope the caffeine will help in what ails ya. T'aint the same without ya! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It very much does, for short periods of time. :) And thanks, I appreciate it. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to say thank you for your recent comments about impartiality, yours and mine; I always feel it's not useful to defend my own impartiality in situations like that but I'm very grateful when someone steps in on my behalf. I echo others on this page in hoping that your good health returns to you soon. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. I feel it is important for us "mere mortals" to get your backs, so you can keep busy with that mop and not have to stop every five minutes to explain yourself. :) Thank you for the sentiment and I wish you happy editing. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

And thanks again for helping the user with his username, because I was totally unable to resolve that one with my limited experience. (I'm thinking of changing my username to something like ZZZZ because I suspect I get a lot of questions by people who access an alphabetical list of admins and say, "Oh, that name looks interesting" at the top of the list.) Incidentally, if you ever apply for the mop, I would not regard it as a breach of protocol if you were to let me know; I don't usually follow RFAs and won't contribute unless it's someone with whose work I'm familiar, but it would take a stroke of luck for me to notice an RFA in progress. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem, always happy to help - and I happen to be an account creator, so I was uniquely qualified to answer (I'll probably be the one handling his/her request when it comes through). And regarding a possible future RFA, thank you, though it will likely be several months before I try for a nomination. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet acc.

Thanks for your support about it. --Scythre^Talk_Contribs 22:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 22:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, not again. Please tell me I just imagined your last message.

What is it going to take to stop this Bambifan idiot? I've seen obsessive behavior before, but this creepy little kid takes the taco. There's some talk about a formal complaint to Bell South, but these things take time. All we can do is to wait for the last laugh.

Hope you get to feeling better soon. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Nope, no imaginings. I played revert ping-pong with him (with Triplestop backing me up) for about ten minutes. Definitely him, though. He referenced a comment I made at the Russian Wikipedia, during the whole flap over the Russian WP admin there that was helping him by proxy. I know we're not supposed to insult the vandals, or feed the trolls, but I just couldn't resist this:

Вы можете запустить, но вы не можете спрятать.

(See Google Translate for assistance if, like me, you don't actually read, write or speak Russian.)

Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Neutralhomer declines mediation

You and I asked for mediation about WP:TVS allowing non-notable people who have left TV stations to use those Wiki articles for their subsequent bios. This was accepted [1]. On August 13, Neutralhomer deleted the mediation invitation from his talk page without response. [2] Since a quite large number of articles are involved, I'd like to pursue Neutralhomer treating WP:TVS as having higher authority than Wiki guidelines in WP:COATRACK, WP:BIO, WP:V, WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:DIRECTORY.

Next step?

Best Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 11:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Tell truth, I'm not exactly sure. The arbitrators won't hear content disputes. Even formal mediation only works if all involved parties are willing to participate.

What we really need, ideally, is a wider audience to hear our arguments, outside the narrow boundaries of WP:TVS. We need to establish the consensus of the community as a whole, not just the WikiProject. The RfC was supposed to accomplish that, but not enough people noticed it. Maybe a posting to Wikipedia:Content noticeboard would expose the issue to a wider audience. Since it's also a WP:BLP issue, the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard may also be appropriate. Either way, we need to get eyes on it from as many outside observers as possible.

Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Please explain your edit

[[3]] removed a barnstar that I had given to PMDrive 1061. Why'd you move it? Can you restore it?SchnitzelMannGreek. 20:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(Message from talk page stalker) That was an archiving bot, not Vicenarian. PMDrive appears to have MiszaBot III (talk · contribs) set up to archive his talk page, and the barnstar got archived in the process. Hope that clears things up. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)^{help us!} 20:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, as Dylan said. I just happened to be the last editor to leave a message before the archive bot did its thing. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

You've been loved by Midnight Comet

Hey there! Midnight Comet has loved you by placing a heart icon in the top-right corner of your userpage. Don't worry, it's not vandalism, but simply a small way to spread the WikiLove. If you don't really like it, feel free to revert it and make it go away, and no hard feelings; after all, it's just a small token of appreciation. If you like it, just add your name here, but again, there's no need to feel upset if you don't. Love and best wishes, [midnight comet] [talk] 01:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Aww, thank you, Midnight! I intend to keep the heart up there... though I'm going to try to rearrange the icons so they don't overlap. :) Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

This is totally off the subject, but I just re-read my last response to you on my talk page and it seemed a little rude. I seem to always forget to put the emoticons on the comments that I make that are intended to be funny. I'm going on vacation starting Monday, so I wanted to clear the air before I left. Happy editing, →javért ^chat 15:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, no, I certainly didn't interpret it that way. I always assume good humor (as well as good faith), emoticon or no. :-) Enjoy your vacation! Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, that's good then. I'll certainly try to enjoy my vacation; I'm taking my laptop with me, so I'll probably still be around a bit. At least to check my watch list as well as the pages that I "guard". :) Thanks for your understanding, →javért ^chat 16:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

¡Buen vieje! – B.hotep •talk• 16:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

(Reply to your (Vicenarian) comment above): Not a problem! Sorry about the icons overlapping; I use the Vector skin and in Vector, the icons are a bit wonky. Happy editing! --[midnight comet] [talk] 17:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

George School (revived from archive)

Hi! You recently posted a refimprove and a tooshort tag on the George School page. I've expanded the opening para per guidelines. Probably needs some work, but I thought it was good enough to remove the tooshort tag. I'm wondering about the refimprove tag, though. Would you mind sharing on the discussion page where you think more references are needed? Many of the sections are pretty heavily referenced already, to my eye: the history and school programs pages in particular. It's certainly something I've had an eye on for some time now. Are you looking for a wider variety of sources (good luck, the school does not have a ton of external sources), or a minimum of a certain number of sources per section? Some guidelines would be helpful. Thanks!--Natcase (talk) 04:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello! I'd be happy to read through the page thoroughly and do a sort of "GA review" (which they tell me I'm good at) on the talk page. However, it's a time- and concentration-intensive effort for me, and I already have a few I've promised to do, so it may be a bit. Seems like you got a handle on the lede, though. Any chance for an image or two? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long to get back to you... I been pulling very long work shifts, wikipedia kinda takes a back burner. Answering your questions: Yes, a review would be great, if/when you can get to it. Images would be nice. Don't know when I'll get back (I live in Minneapolis now), but I can ask on FaceBook and see if any of my classmates can post one up. A couple work at the school now, so that shouldn't be a big deal. Now's a good time to take photos too... Thanks and again would love to get some notes if you have the time. Best wishes --Natcase (talk) 03:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look when I can. Make sure that any photos submitted are properly licensed per Wikipedia copyright guidelines; see info on donating your own photos and requesting to use the photos of others. Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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Possible Future Vandalism?

Hey, I've noticed that the "Mozart" page is locked. I have a feeling "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mozart" needs to be locked too, due to recent news. I'd do it myself, but I don't know how. I can edit locked pages, but I can't lock them. Thanks. --MosheA (talk) 11:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello. Protecting pages is limited to administrators only, which is why neither you, nor I, can protect or unprotect a page on our own. To request protection of a page, please see requests for page protection. However, in general, pages are not preemptively protected; protection is usually used as a last resort against severe, ongoing vandalism, as we want to encourage productive participation by all editors, even new or unregistered ones. I would keep the page on your watchlist. If you see an edit that is obviously vandalism, feel free to revert it. However, unless the page starts being vandalized by many different editors, a protection request will likely be denied. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you run for adminship some time within the next ten seconds, you will make Dylan620 a very happy editor. Thank you. Dylan620 (contribs, logs)^{help us!} 00:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, thank you! Your "August 2009" headline just about caused me a myocardial infarction. Hey, if you're willing to nominate me, go ahead! I can think of plenty of damagegood I could do with the tools. If nominated, I will accept. However, I believe my chances of surviving RfA with fewer than 10,000 edits and only three months of service are small. How about YOU, sir? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 00:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I say...

...go for it, pal, you deserve it 100%. Good luck, buddy! --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)^{help us!} 00:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I, uh... *blush* gee, I accept! Thank you, good sir. I'm now trying to answer the three questions... it's a lot harder than it seems... Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 01:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's ready to be posted. I am currently formulating my answers to the other two questions. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 01:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but I think Dylan was a little premature with his nomination... I would keep an eye on it and be prepared to pull the plug. I wish you the best and hope that some time down the road, you consider running again, I just don't see any way that it will pass at this time.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 02:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration and your constructive criticism. I will thoroughly review WP:CSD and make sure that my future tagging is much more careful. And I think I will let the RfA run its course - if anything, so that I can receive additional suggestions and recommendations for how I can become a better editor. Thanks again, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

If I may comment, that's personally what I was hoping you would do. :) It's a shame that your RfA isn't headed for a pass as it stands; maybe the rest of the week (i.e. the rest of the RfA's running period) will be enough to turn that around? I recall a candidate from a few months ago who initially had 40% support and ended with 70%. Besides, your support percentage (55%) is probably the highest for any recent RfA for a user of your tenure. :) Even if your RfA fails, I still believe you're fully deserving. All the best, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)^{help us!} 16:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I will agree with Dylan there... your RfA is actually far exceeding my expectations... the fact that it above 50% 30% surprises me! That being said... I did ask a question on your RfA.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 03:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit War

• Edit War - I respect your warning but kindly look into the black record of the other person who is doing all of this vandalizing. The other user was just recently confirmed as to have a sock puppet and is having another one right now too. I assure you that I won’t break the three edit rule but I know for sure that he is vandalizing the article on Marwat. Regards. -- MARWAT  07:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me the edits in question are not blatant vandalism, but are disputes over content. That falls within purview of the 3RR, and needs to be discussed, not fought over through back-and-forth edits. (Note that I have also warned the other party.) I have requested protection on the page and hope that a discussion can be begun on the talk page regarding the content dispute. I am happy to help mediate if necessary. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 07:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I just saw your mediation offer on the page where I requested for Full Protection of the article Marwat. I have no objection whatsoever to this mediation but kindly ask a clarification from the gentlemen LineofWisdom and Marwat786 (apparently socks of each other and created for a single purpose) who are deleting notable people from the article Marwat. I co-created this wonderful article and have been protecting it from vandals for the last several years. My edits will confirm that I am not deleting anyone's name from this article but rather restoring it to its original form (the one before these two socks started to edit this article). So you must also investigate the track record of those users, otherwise I am open to any rational discussion on the subject. Xoxo -- MARWAT  08:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Investigating a user's track record is not what we do when mediating content disputes - we assume good faith on the part of all involved editors, and recognize that there are a variety of legitimate viewpoints on how any article should be written. If you suspect a user of sock puppetry - and that's a serious allegation you should be careful about making lightly - it should be taken up at sockpuppet investigations. If you feel a user has violated our policy against edit warring, you may make a report at the edit warring noticeboard. Otherwise, the discussion of a content dispute should and must focus on the content, not the actions of the editors involved. This is important to understand and accept before pursuing any mediation. Thank you, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Now, when you have protected the page to the version set by User:Marwatt, rather setting to the version set by two Administrators, I have nothing to say much. I just want to request that see the past record and track it, to know the main culprit and real vandaliser i.e. USer:Marwatt. He is responsible for all the edit warring, as he has spent [ast three years on Marwat in edit Warring. See the history of Marwat. I always have asked for discussion, you could find my request on Discussion's page. I would be personally obliged if you could personally look into discussions about the page. --LineofWisdom (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Marwatt has also started Edit War at Article Anwar Kamal Khan and have inserted the citation tags 3-4 times within 24 hours and is keen to reveert its position. The claim for which he is demanding citation is has been refered and there is a reference proving what has been written there. Despite my continuous pleading that he must read the references before adding Citation tag, he is blindly reverting the article on the Disputed status. The article must be protected and he must be banned, as his intentions are proved i.e. to disgrace and manipulate the notables of rival clan. --LineofWisdom (talk) 18:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

If you believe an editor is acting in an inappropriate manner, you can open a wikiquette alert regarding this. If you have a content dispute, you may seek dispute resolution to help resolve the dispute. I must say, however, accusing other editors of having bad intentions rarely ever is a good approach. In any case, I would request you take this to the appropriate venue(s). Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Sponge is Silly

Your name sounds like Vice-CANARY-an. I thought you might be missing my irrelevances, and that, combined with Javert's "vacation", could combine to give you a nervous breakdown. So you can't call this irrelevant (delete this if it's getting int the way of your affairs). Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 17:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, Sponge. Hope you had a good break. That's VICE-NAIR-E-AN to you, sir. And Javert's canary is on vacation, yes. Am I missing something? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused again. You confused me. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 17:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. Do you mean I've been mentally pronouncing your name wrong too?! Is the "e" after VIC not pronounced!? Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 17:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Can I just confirm to any stalkers that I did NOT name this section heading. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 17:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

You go, boy!

I just gave you my support for the adminship. I simply cannot think of anyone who has grasped this concept as quickly as you have. You are a genuine asset and my support is as strong as I've ever given. Good luck. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, thank you, I really appreciate your support. :) However, I do think I'm going to need that luck! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 00:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Not to worry if you don't get it this time around. Took me a couple of truly harrowing nominations to finally get it...and then I gave it back. Thankfully, one can do so and get reinstated if the "desysopping" is done in good standing, which mine was. One way or another, you'll get it and I'll be supporting you when you get it. BTW, Dylan asked me to co-nominate you. So, I've done so. I'm rooting for you! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

You could co-nominate me if you like. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 10:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

A message from User:JWatts1959

You might need these

I moved this from User talk:JWatts1959 where they had placed this message along with a {{helpme}} thingy.  Chzz  ►  01:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

HEY NOT SURE IF IM ON THE RIGHT PAGE VICENTARIAN BUT YEA OK I REALLY WANT U PEOPLE TO ANSWER ME THIS IMPORTANT QUESTION! I DO NOT SEE HOW IT'S POSSIBLE AND THEREFORE DON'T AGREE WITH U PEOPLE SAYING THAT A CHART WEEK HAS ALREADY COME NOW(CHART WEEK OF AUG 29, 2009) WHEN IT IS JUST NOW AUG 18, 2009!!! THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! NOW PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME IN DETAIL HOW THE COUNTRY CHART WORKS FOR THE DATE AND ALL. JWatts1959 (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC) JWATTS1959

Unfortunately, JWatts, I am not sure what you are talking about. I think you are referring to an article where you were leaving comments on the article itself rather than the article's talk page. I removed the comments from the article, as they belonged on the article's talk page. However, I have no involvement with that article beyond removing the out-of-place comments. You may want to ask your question on the talk page of that article. I hope this helps. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 13:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

WikiThanks

Thank you for reverting vandalism on my talk page.I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 01:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Award which is better than a Barnstar

		The "'Random idiot user who Spongefrog doesn't hate for some reason' of the 2½-day period" Award
		Congratulations! For your friendliness, contributions, existence, tact, skill in dealing with a multitude of anonymous vandals who hit your pages, knowledge of obscure guidelines and essays that I've never heard of, and, finally, not being an idiot, I award you with this, soon to be prestigious, award: The "RIUWSDHFSROT2½DP" Award. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 12:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a feeling I have given you this already. But, according to my innacurate records, I haven't. A red link may appear here on your page, but I will make it a redirect/shortcut soon. User:Spongefrog/AS

P.S. If your RfA passes, I have some subpages I need you to delete. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 12:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Damn. That link I made has created a whole species of double redirects. Meh. A bot will probably fix them. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 12:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

DarknessBot (talk · contribs) →javért ^chat 12:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, like that. Get back to your vacation. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 12:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, thank you, Sponge. Much appreciated. :-) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 13:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

RfA withdrawal

While I am very disappointed that you withdrew, I respect your decision. As you said to me last month, I "cannot fault you for doing what you thought was right." :) You'd best be expecting a nom for Christmas, though! :D Best, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)^{help us!} 18:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I look forward to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Vicenarian 2. →javért ^chat 18:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your nomination, Dylan, and your support, both of you. I really do appreciate it. :) See you 'round! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 18:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

RfA Round 2 watchlisted. You know the rest. :) – B.hotep •talk• 19:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Aye, thanks. There's much non-admin work to be done. And so it shall be. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

So, what do you plan to do? This week, CSD and UAA workers are out of favor favour; next week it will be people who do too much to protect their hard work from vandals at AIV. I think SPI is a good area to work. :) – B.hotep •talk• 20:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC) ZOMG! I can't believe I spelled that wrong!

WP:MEDCAB. Apparently, I'm wise. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I hope to be able to support round 2... and fully expect to be able to... your big problem this time was that the RfA was premature. Even optimistically, I've never seen somebody pass with fewer than 4 months... and only a few with that little. 6 months is generally considered a good rule of thumb for a minimmum. The only comment I have is pay attention to those CSD's.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 21:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration and constructive criticism. CSD is definitely something I am reviewing. I appreciate you taking the time to point out areas of improvement. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I am a bit late to this party, but -- yes, I will gladly support the RfA sequel. Keep up the great work! Pastor Theo (talk) 01:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

←Previously on Vicenarian's talk page: Bubba hotep (talk · contribs) said "next week it will be people who do too much to protect their hard work from vandals at AIV". I was wrong. It's this week. – B.hotep •talk• 20:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Gotta love it, right? →javért ^breakaway 20:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh? Show me, show me. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Until It Sleeps 3. →javért ^breakaway 20:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What? He's a dedicated, clueful vandal fighter. He's literally ALWAYS there. I don't think we can have too many dedicated, responsible admins watching over AIV. Show me he's not responsible or likely to to misuse the tools and I will oppose, but otherwise, yes. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. This "oppose - hasn't written 23 good articles yet" is getting silly. →javért ^breakaway 20:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Am I the first person to support per an oppose? ;) – B.hotep •talk• 21:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

←I can't remember what RfA it was, but I remember supporting someone per Keepscases' oppose. :-) →javért ^breakaway 21:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I do understand and respect the idea that an admin should be a well-rounded Wikipedian, I do. However, you cannot be such a dedicated vandalism fighter for so long and not pick up on the necessary nuts-and-bolts of the project. Give the benefit of the doubt and assume clue. This is IMHO, of course. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I think someone opposed because it was Keepscases, not because of what they said. I agreed with what an opposer said (well, at least the first few sentences about being a brilliant vandal fighter) and supported per that. – B.hotep •talk• 21:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's probably the bollocks. It's not like I invented the wheel or anything? :D – B.hotep •talk• 21:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you're saying. Actually, I don't think I've ever seen someone take an oppose reason and turn it into a support, so maybe you did invent the wheel. :-) →javért ^breakaway 21:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

(Darn it, stop it with the (edit conflict) on my own talk page!) Naw, Bubba, I'm sure you discovered fire, too. :-P Maybe RfA wouldn't be so hard if it were easier to desysop... you know, maybe opposers would be less tentative about granting the bit if it weren't so difficult to remove it from an irresponsible admin. I know, perennial proposals, governance reform, RfA reform, it's all been talked about/is being talked about. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Wha... ah, no edit conflict this time! Nah, I think it's more to do with the people who frequent RfA at this time. In a few months, it will be a different story and it may be easier there... for about a week. :) – B.hotep •talk• 21:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

High standards? I don't know, did you see how many supports I got? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but given a few months you will have written every single main page featured article and you might get a CSD that an actual admin will want to delete. :P – B.hotep •talk• 21:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

←Make that 20-30 GA reviews, 5-10 MEDCAB cases, maybe a DYK or GA or two myself, an additional several thousand edits, manual and automated, additional participation in diverse areas such as Wikipedia:Files for deletion... Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you don't have to convince me. But there's always someone who will oppose based on your lack of activity in <insert anywhere you've never edited before, I don't know Articles for Disemvowelling>. :D – B.hotep •talk• 21:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

:-(

You beat me, yet again. :-( →javért ^chat 18:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Yup. Caught the IP editing her infobox, did a quick G-search, bing bang boom. Better luck next time. :-P Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 18:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I did the same thing, lol, just slower. :-) →javért ^chat 18:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you use WP:REFTOOLS? It saves a lot of time. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 18:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What? No, I don't use automated tools, thank you very much. :-p. Actually, no, but I will in the future. Typing out the {{citeweb}} template gets old after awhile. →javért ^chat 18:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

You don't like typing out citewebs? I love it. You're weird. 0_o Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 19:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

←Well, REFTOOLS also has cite journal and cite news, and also keeps a list of all named references in the article - particularly useful for long articles with LOTS of references. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 21:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I just tried them out, and REFTOOLS are AWESOME. I can't believe I haven't been using them all along. →javért ^breakaway 23:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Uh huh. This is why you should listen to me, people! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I will certainly do so more often. Not doing so is simply silly. :) →javért ^breakaway 23:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I knowz stuffs. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Vicenarian, thank you for your swift reverts to my talk page I really do appreciate it. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

My thanks to you too for reverting that vandalism on articles I like! Chevy Impala 2009 01:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You are both welcome. It's my duty and immense pleasure. VandalSMASH! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Your revert of my edit

Here. It wasn't sourced when the IP added it, and I didn't think to look for one as I didn't think it was relevant to her pending divorce. Don't ever revert anything that I do ever again. :-p Seriously, though, if you think it's appropriate for the article, and I see that you've sourced it, then no problems. Best, →javért ^chat 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Retires to safe distance as J-Man and V-Man have their first wiki-tiff. Ah, you kids... :) – B.hotep •talk• 16:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Naw, hardly a tiff. I just remembered the removed quotation from the source I had previously found, so figured I would give the IP user the benefit of the doubt and add his/her contribution back in, properly sourced. Reverting was easier than typing it back out again or copy-pasting, so this is what I did. :-) Also, "IBDB" isn't a typo... Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I see that now. Perhaps I should pay more attention to what I'm doing and not just randomly change stuff. →javért ^chat 16:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Easy mistake to make. I didn't even notice it until I looked very closely. And the ref-2 was a good call. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) So far I'm 1 for 3. →javért ^chat 16:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Elephant. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 17:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Wiggins page

Hi Vicenarian

I am new to editing on Wikipedia, and recently created a page for Jerry S. Wiggins, an eminent personality psychologist who passed away a few years ago. You tagged several problems on this page in July; i appreciate your help and have (i think) made suggested changes. How can the tag that you placed be removed now that changes have been made?

best, MSUPPL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.10.95.242 (talk) 19:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I've taken the liberty of doing a little clean up on my own. I removed several of the tags, as they no longer appear to apply. You should always feel free to do so yourself, but make sure to say why you feel they no longer apply in your edit summary or on the talk page. I would suggest expanding the biography with more details about Mr. Wiggins' life and career, additional third-party references about him and a photo if you have one that you own the copyright on (or if you can find one freely licensed). Hope this helps. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:RfA

I have little doubt that I'll be sharing the mop with you soon. Reading through your RfA left me with the distinct impression that they've gotten a LOT tougher since my own Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Accounting4Taste -- frankly, I think I would have failed had I applied today. However, I recognize in you someone not unlike myself, who likes to learn how to do things better and listens to the comments of others for hints as to how to improve... I will look forward to perhaps nominating you myself in a few months (or when you feel you're ready). I hope none of the comments were too hurtful. In the meantime, we'll continue to lurk on each other's talk pages ;-) Accounting4Taste:talk 22:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

		The Resilient Barnstar
		The Resilient Barnstar may be given to any editor who learns and improves from criticisms, never lets mistakes or blunders impede their growth as Wikipedians, or has the ability to recover/finish with a smile. All of which are qualities of Vicenarian. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you most kindly, A4T. This means a lot to me. I wasn't hurt at all by the comments; as you say, I listen for ways I can improve, even from those who aren't the nicest. Whether or not I have admin tools, I am here to stay, and there's plenty of work to be done. Besides, if I need admin help, I've got a few friends I can call. :) Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 03:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:CHU

You don't think that this was a little redundant? :) →javért ^breakaway 19:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The bot makes errors, as you know, and the user could've gone on to contribute more after the bot's evaluation. I was confirming that A) a human being confirmed the bot's report and B) it was still true. :-P Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 19:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, okay. Fair enough. :) →javért ^breakaway 19:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Schooling you =  Done. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 19:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. →javért ^breakaway 19:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Poke

Hey guys. Guess who's here bother you again. Any idea if this talk page is allowed. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be allowed on a userpage, but I can't be bothered finding out if it's the same for anon talk pages. Thanks! Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 20:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Aren't you more than an apprentice editor by now.

P.P.S. I have posted far too many messages on you and J.'s pages today, so I'll do next-to-nothing in the next week. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 21:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I missed this. 1) Generally not cool to keep copies of articles in user space if you're not going to work on them. I'd check when it was last edited, maybe leave a message. IP users have the same rights, but we also have to be aware that IPs can be multiple people. 2) Nope. The next step up requires six months of service. As was recently made clear, I only have slightly over three months. 3) You may post as much as you want, friend. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot about the time. Thanks for the other stuff. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 09:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Using wikicode ('{{ }}') in a topic title messes up the goto arrow.

Just saying. HalfShadow 01:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You are right. Thanks for fixing that, I always forget. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 01:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Surprised they haven't fixed it yet. I guess it's not really a major glitch as they go; just an annoyance. HalfShadow 01:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Aye. Thanks for the heads-up. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 02:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Stres level

You know coloured part of the stress indicator? Do you see a picture in there? Or am I just crazy. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 17:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks a bit like a boat. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. I don't see anything. →javért ^breakaway 17:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Javert, check your mail. I need a calming influence. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Nothing? I see a fountian with grass and bushes growing around it. There's a tree to the left, and in the centre a structure that looks like the pope's hat. No? Well I must be crazy. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 17:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Replied, good sir. →javért ^breakaway 17:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments

Your assistance is always appreciated. I was probably enjoying that exchange a bit too much to be truly comfortable with it, but I think the individual will now be convinced that when he goes to an encyclopedia to get information, he'll receive it unmediated and uncensored. For the rest, well, I don't keep an eye on ANI but I'm sure if my name crops up there, someone will let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

At your service, as always. I monitor ANI (not closely, but close enough) and will let you know in the unlikely event your name appears. Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I've just blocked the IP of the user for 24 hours -- for a further insulting and vulgar edit summary -- but it seems to be a floating IP, so if you happen to be on this evening and feel like monitoring my user page and talk pages for vandalism, feel free, with my grateful thanks. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

VTomi's RfA

Heh, I was just about to snow/notnow-close that RfA myself when I saw that you beat me to the punch. :P --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)^{help us!} 20:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

My closed RfA

You resently closed my application to become a admin (sysop). I was wondering if you could help me get a successfull one and tell me what i did wrong

VTomi (talk) 20:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You didn't do anything wrong. Admin status requires experience and community trust; you are very new and have very few edits, so it's not possible for us to judge your experience and trustworthiness. This essay is helpful, and you may also want to read over Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship as well. If you'd like some guidance from an experienced Wikipedian, you can check out the adoption program, of which I am a participant. I hope this helps. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I know how you like to keep your userspace clean...

..so U1? :) →javért ^breakaway 20:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for pointing that out, yes. If only I could keep my apartment clean... Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yours is cleaner than mine. :-p →javért ^breakaway 20:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 04:05, 26 August

Thanks, SineBot. I'm notorious for forgetting the tildes. Also... BAD SineBot! WP:DTTR! ;) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 04:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Just do what I do, add {{bots|deny=SineBot}} to your talk page. Also, I applaud you, SineBot, for templating the regulars. :) →javért ^breakaway 04:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Good plan. I like SineBot helping me out when I forget to sign, but that template is annoying. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 05:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

It's especially annoying when Siney edit conflicts you. Almost made me throw my computer out the window once. :) →javért ^breakaway 05:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle Fail

Hehe, I'm sure if I had left it you would have caught it. →javért ^breakaway 05:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

And I got all excited when I got the ol' orange bar this morning! Tsk. By the way, V-Man, I replied to your email. @ Anyone else, I've got a new page to notify me when you send me an email. See top of talk page. I really should check my inbox more often! – B.hotep •talk• 08:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, pish. I was hoping he'd see the notice and do something about the page in question. ;) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 13:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :)

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You are welcome. :-) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 13:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

On behalf of Vicenarian, thankyou. (sorry for forgetting). Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 20:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Calling All Stalkers

Hey guys! I've recently created an article on a book by Charles Darwin, which can be seen here: User:Vicenarian/Insectivorous Plants (book)‎. I would like to expand it such that it becomes DYK material. Any and all help would be appreciated (AND will get you part of the credit). Thanks! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 13:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, get it in the mainspace then. It's a workable stub, so why not? :) – B.hotep •talk• 13:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

True, but then I have only five days to get it ready for DYK!!! And I need 1,000 more characters, at least. Sadly, this seems to be a rather obscure book. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 13:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

This might be considered inappropriate humour, but... are there any writing credits in the book for... oh forget it. :) – B.hotep •talk• 13:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, feel free to email me the joke. ;) Article moved. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 13:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I prefer the German name, Insectenfressende Pflanzen. Just rolls off the tongue like a fly down a Venus flytrap. :) – B.hotep •talk• 14:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I know! :) Argh, I can never place photos correctly. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You edit conflicted me with exactly the same move, though I didn't get an edit conflict message so I really thought I was the one who moved it! Spooky! – B.hotep •talk• 14:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

←Freaky! Now to flesh it out some more, preferably with analysis from another source. I'd like to avoid a synopsis. Time to do some digging. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I would help, but I know nothing about Darwin or insectology. If I tried to help I would botch the attempt, and add incorrect or irrelevant information. You would be too polite to revert the edit, and only slightly modify it. As such, the article would be ruined, and it wouldn't get DYK. So I'll stay away. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 14:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You're a smart one, Sponge, you can do it. I know very little about botany. It's more a matter of seeking out sources, specifically ones that provide an analysis of the book, its historical importance, its history, blah blah blah. No knowledge of the topic is really required. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

This was difficult – not knowing German for "edit this page"! @Sponge – be bold. :) – B.hotep •talk• 14:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well done! Nice inter-wiki work, there. Yes, Sponge, every article has an "edit" tab because we want you to edit. So edit, darn you! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... let me run the de.wiki page trough Google Translate and see if it produces anything we can use here at en. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it bad form to adapt text from another language Wiki into an article? There's a good looking source for it, but it's in German... and I suppose I trust the German editors to have done their homework. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:59, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

←Better yet: Google Translate is good to a point... but it's not great. Anyway to request a translation of the German article into English, just to use as a reference? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Good idea. @Sponge again, I haven't exactly done a lot to it other than categories, interwiki links and one spelling error – I wish V-Man was worse at spelling. :p And translating from German, hmm, aren't we supposed to give English sources where possible? I can't believe there's more German sources than English out there. Let's get rooting. – B.hotep •talk• 15:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I've asked for the German page to be translated, since it is much more detailed. But I'll keep looking for English language sources. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Did you notice I put the {{findsources}} tool on the talk page. Useful thing that is. – B.hotep •talk• 15:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I did. I shall use it. Alas, the German article appears to be full of primary source OR... so that's out. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I would love to help, I really would. Unfortunately, I'm trying to do this filmography thing to an obscure Maori actor. 6 months, and I've never learned how to use Wikitable. So I'll ahve to learn today, and it will probably take a while. Spongefrog, (I am a flesh-eating robot) 15:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

That's okay. Thanks to Bubba, I found an excellent source that has allowed me to add an additional paragraph. And did you know that there's a Wikiproject for carnivorous plants? You learn something new every day.... Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Would you believe I found images for all x00 pages of the book, and even images of his original handwritten notes – but still no cover in English! – B.hotep •talk• 16:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Did you find images of the drawings from the original English version? PS: I'm nominated it for DYK. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[4] DYK? Excellent. Well done. I am impressed. – B.hotep •talk• 16:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

←Heh. I like the German cover better, then. Javert is going to be PO'd when he gets on... this WAS his idea, after all. :) I'll leave it be for now so he can tinker and get some of the credit if/when it goes DYK. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the spine would be a good one. Why is there no image for "front cover"? I will resume searching at home later... intrigued. – B.hotep •talk• 16:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I like the spine. What's the copyright on this, I wonder? The book itself is beyond copyright, but the picture has a copyright watermark... might try emailing the website, see if they'll license the pic to us. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 16:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

That's interesting. Can an image of a piece of work that is itself out of copyright be copyrighted? I don't understand copyright law in that regard in my country, let alone America. But, shh, don't tell anyone or I will never pass an RfA :) – B.hotep •talk• 17:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Gasp! Please see Wikipedia:Requests for de-adminship/Bubba hotep. →javért ^breakaway 17:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:reproduction permissions Re:Javert – which way would you !vote? Think carefully because there's always one button I could press as my final goodbye after successfully passing a de-adminship... ;) <evil grin> – B.hotep •talk• 17:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

←"Bubba hotep (talk | contribs) blocked Javert (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked, autoblock disabled, email blocked, cannot edit own talk page) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (haha!)"? →javért ^breakaway 17:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Why is there no "infinite" setting? Indefinite is so... open ended. – B.hotep •talk• 17:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You could always put "infinite" in the box under "other time". :p →javért ^breakaway 17:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You two are hooligans. :) They want 50 quid a picture?! Think mebbe they'll give one to Wikipedia for free? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

We are a charity case after all. Can't harm to ask. If you haven't done so later, I will do it. Anon. – B.hotep •talk• 17:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I volunteer you to do it, Bubba. Maybe it would seem friendlier coming from a fellow Briton? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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