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Administrators' newsletter – January 2022 edit

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in friendship edit

January songs
 
in friendship

Thank you for being around! - Happy new year, in friendship! - One of my pics was on the Main page, DYK, and even made it to the stats. - In this young year, I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations from the Military History Project edit

  Military history reviewers' award
On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the The Milhist reviewing award (2 stripes) for participating in 7 reviews between October and December 2021. Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 19:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
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Your GA nomination of Saline Valley salt tram edit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Saline Valley salt tram you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.   This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eviolite -- Eviolite (talk) 16:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

On hold edit

The article Saline Valley salt tram you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold  . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Saline Valley salt tram for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eviolite -- Eviolite (talk) 02:41, 11 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Passed edit

The article Saline Valley salt tram you nominated as a good article has passed  ; see Talk:Saline Valley salt tram for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eviolite -- Eviolite (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Vami IV: How goes it? Thanks for putting the Saline Valley salt tram article through GA. That was very kind of you. scope_creepTalk 09:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
It goes well enough. I have work, if also vexed and distracted hands. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 07:31, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

GA Reassessment notice edit

SpaceX Starship has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. — Berrely • TalkContribs 15:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

sources in USS Johnston (DD-557) edit

Thanks for your edits to USS Johnston (DD-557) to whip into shape – they are great improvements. Regarding the sources (particularly Morison), the 3 volumes you cite weren't all published in 1958, so there's no need for "date=1958a/1958b/1958c" disambiguators for {{sfn}} refs.

Also, the sources I moved to Further Reading were unreferenced, displaying Harv warnings. E.g.: "Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFMorison1958c." That is why I moved them to Further reading, since they aren't directly cited, and to prevent generation of those warnings.

If you're in the process of adding material that will eventually cite the currently-unreferenced cites, I'll happily hold off moving them for now. Regards, happy editing.  — sbb (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Sbb: I was unaware that History of United States Naval Operations in World War II wasn't all published in the same year, so that sort of perplexes me. As for the books I moved back into the general population, I am going to use them, don't worry. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 20:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, the volumes were published over the course of I think 17 years. I'll fix up the Morison dates and references, and otherwise leave the endmatter organization alone. For now. ;-) Regards.  — sbb (talk) 20:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Template:WPMILHIST Announcements edit

G'day mate, you don't need to delete the passed ACR from Template:WPMILHIST Announcements, Milhistbot does it as part of the process. No harm, of course, you just don't need to do it. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:25, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Aye, I'd forgotten about how much of the process is automated. It's been a while since my last ACR close; (re)learning opportunity. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 18:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

A barnstar for you! edit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of your tireless work reviewing bot assessments at MilHist. It is appreciated. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you; I live to serve. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 00:31, 22 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Just noticed something about User:Vami IV/userpage.css... edit

You should probably add background-position: center; after line 3 (before the braces) to center the image. Chlod (say hi!) 00:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Take the Lead contest 2021 edit

Thank you for participating in the Take the Lead contest. You are one of the winners and to sort out the prize could you email me at karla.marte@wikimedia.org.uk to coordinate. Karla Marte(WMUK) (talk) 11:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Your GA nomination of USS Johnston (DD-557) edit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article USS Johnston (DD-557) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.   This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 18:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

On hold edit

The article USS Johnston (DD-557) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold  . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:USS Johnston (DD-557) for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 05:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Passed edit

The article USS Johnston (DD-557) you nominated as a good article has passed  ; see Talk:USS Johnston (DD-557) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 15:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I hope you had an easier time finding material for this one than I have had with the ship articles I've worked on. USS R. B. Forbes was hard to find good stuff on, and CSS Tuscarora was even worse. Hog Farm Talk 15:38, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
February songs
 
frozen
thank you for another GA! - my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
My pleasure, doubly, for the GA and to congratulate you on the TFA! Great work as always my friend. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 03:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Little flowers in return (if you click on songs) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
stand and sing Prayer for Ukraine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 28 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Slava Ukraini! Heroyam Slava. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 03:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

HIAG edit

Hi Vami @Roniius: I finished going through the comments and w/ revisions to the article. Thank you for all the input and checks! Anything that I missed?

Separately, since you guys put in a lot of work into the article, would you like to be FA co-nominators? --K.e.coffman (talk) 13:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@K.e.coffman and Roniius: Let's do it. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 03:13, 8 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
I left Roniius a message; they have not edited since Jan 21, so it's unclear if they'd be back soon. Could they be a co-nominator in absentia? Not sure... :). What do you think? --K.e.coffman (talk) 15:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
He certainly can't co-nominate if he isn't editing Wikipedia at the moment. Up to you if you want wait on a definite response from him. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 16:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
This makes sense; I left a follow-up message with a timeframe. I would proceed with a nomination in a week's time either way. --K.e.coffman (talk) 21:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Either way there are a couple cleanup tags such as "citation needed" and "page needed" which should be fixed before a FAC. (t · c) buidhe 02:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Buidhe: since we are all here, I'm continuing the discussion on this thread. I took care of the two issues. But I have a question about the two fair-use images in the article: File:Kurt_Meyer_and_Paul_Hausser_at_a_HIAG_convention.jpg and File:Der_Freiwillige_1959_cover.jpg. In your opinion, how likely are they to survive a potential FAC review? Please let me know your thoughts. --K.e.coffman (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

For 1) I am not sure that it meets NFCC#8: "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic". It just shows a group of men celebrating together. For 2) it could certainly be justified in the article about the magazine, but I don't think it works in this article because judging from the caption the main message could be and is conveyed through sourced text (NFCC#1). So I would axe both of them. (t · c) buidhe 16:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
I've removed both images. However, the article could still benefit from tightening prose in some places by reducing/paraphrasing quotes. (t · c) buidhe 21:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022 edit

 
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Administrators' newsletter – February 2022 edit

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Asking nicely for a review :) edit

Hi Vami, I remember all your helpful reviews on various Nazi-related articles years ago. Might you be willing to take a look at the ACR for The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia? Thanks in advance, (t · c) buidhe 01:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Sure thing! –♠Vami_IV†♠ 03:25, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Addition of WikiProject Nebraska to USS Nebraska edit

Hello! I noticed that in May 2017, you added the WikiProject Nebraska template to USS Nebraska (BB-14). May I ask your reasoning for this? I don't see how that ship as anything to do with Nebraska outside of being named after the state. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:06, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

That really was just the reasoning behind that addition. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 21:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Alright. Well seeing as on other pages with ships that have a state name have the associated state's wikiproject on them I'll just mark it as low importance. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
This state of affairs should likely exist for US cruisers, too, as they are named after American cities. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 22:08, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

User:SloaneFrench edit

Hello. I've been making some copy edits to Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians, and I noticed that back in March 2021 you added SloaneFrench to the list, who does not actually exist (the log doesn't show any renames). Are you sure this is their correct name? Maybe there were some missing character or diacritic. Thanks! Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

As it turns out, I forgot a space in their username; they're User:Sloane French. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:28, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

St Mark's Basilica edit

♠Vami_IV†♠, Greetings from Venice. It's been a while (25 March 2021) since you sent the much-enjoyed strawberries for my TFA on the Biblioteca Marciana. I currently have another FAC, St Mark's Basilica, and am hoping that you might have time and interest to take a look. At any rate, I hope you are well.Venicescapes (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022 edit

 
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Administrators' newsletter – March 2022 edit

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No Obvious Signs comment edit

 

First, have an image of Alina Gorlova, whom you also wrote the article about.   Second, I notice your creation comment for No Obvious Signs was "I shall not be sniped again" - did you mean you wanted to create the article before someone else did? Well, if so, on that note, I'd like to draw your attention to User:GRuban/Maria Berlinska which is an article I'm working on for the other person you mention in No Obvious Signs, so if you want to create that article, can we cooperate? Thanks. --GRuban (talk) 18:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'd be pleased to! Though, I don't know how useful I'll be as a monolingual American. Slava Ukraini. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 18:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Well, first, half the sources I'm finding so far are in English. Second, while I'm pretty good in Russian, for Ukrainian I mostly rely on Google/Bing translation. But third, despite a fair bit of searching, I found nothing about this No Obvious Signs thing until I searched on Wikipedia itself - while you obviously did! Though I'm getting a fair bit about The Invisible Battalion, I had no clue she did another film. So whatever you did to find that will be very very useful! Is there a third film or more? --GRuban (talk) 19:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
I suppose we'll find out! –♠Vami_IV†♠ 17:14, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much for your help! I think I'm done with adding stuff and moving things around in User:GRuban/Maria Berlinska. I'm going to write her again see what she has to say, but if she doesn't respond (I'm assuming she's rather busy - I was shocked than she responded when she did), I'm mostly ready to push it live. Could I ask you to look it over? You also did a great job writing the lead - I'm terrible with balancing the lead to summarize the article - and maybe it needs more massaging? --GRuban (talk) 13:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Thank you so much! She just wrote with thanks, so I'm guessing she's happy, I massaged it a bit more and pushed it live: Maria Berlinska. Any ideas about a DYK hook? --GRuban (talk) 13:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Did you know...

...that Ukrainians Maria Berlinska and Andriana Susak confronted a Russian diplomat while on tour for a documentary they co-produced?

...that Ukrainian activist military volunteer Maria Berlinska led the research and publication of three reports about women in the Ukrainian military? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:03, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you again! Proposing basically those, each tweaked a bit: Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Berlinska --GRuban (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Saline Valley salt tram edit

@Vami IV: That was great work getting the article to FA. It means a lot to me. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 10:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Promotion of Saline Valley salt tram edit

Congratulations, Vami IV! The article you nominated, Saline Valley salt tram, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Buidhe (talk) via FACBot (talk) 12:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

March thanks edit

March songs
 

Thank you for improving articles in March. Music if you like. Prayer for Ukraine continued. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Books & Bytes – Issue 49 edit

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022 edit

 
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Core contest edit

Hi there. I just wanted to make sure you know WP:The Core Contest is starting in a week. I believe you wanted to join again? Femke (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Saline Valley salt tram scheduled for TFA edit

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 16 May 2022. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 16, 2022, or to make more comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/May 2022. I suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

😊 ––♠Vami_IV†♠ 14:00, 14 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Maria Berlinska edit

On 15 April 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Maria Berlinska, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that military volunteer Maria Berlinska led the report that let women hold combat positions in the Ukrainian military? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Berlinska. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Maria Berlinska), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Precious
 
Five years!

Precious anniversary edit

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Five years so soon? Oh dear. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 18:14, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
April songs
 
fear not ;) - Easter - resilience - Spring - thank you for improving articles in April! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

USS Johnston edit

D'ye think https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/NH-63000/NH-63496.html would make a good addition? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 21:25, 21 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes, of course. There's no room to cram it into the article, but it would be nice to have it on Commons. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 21:57, 21 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022 edit

 
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Removed pictures of sunk USS Johnston (DD-557) edit

Hi, can you please clarify on the talk page of the ship why you keep removing the pictures of the sunken ship? They are CC-BY-SA so "copyright reasons" should't be an issue. Thank you. Byankuren (talk) 08:04, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Byankuren: There's a clarification at the ongoing A-class review. The photos are not actually CC-BY-SA because we aren't certain that the uploader was the holder of the images' copyrights. It is entirely possible that the uploader is in fact Victor Vescovo or does have that copyright (as they claim here), but they haven't verified either of those things. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 08:13, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Vami IV:, first of all I would like to thank you for uplevelling the article about USS Johnston to a Good Article status. For sure it was a lot of work. To some degree I was surprised that the three pictures depicting the wreck are no longer part of the article, to some degree I wasn´t. I was the one who inserted them in the gallery after the user Vlvescovo mentioned that he provided them via commons. I have read all related discussions about the identity of the user VIvescovo and his uploaded pictures and would like to ask you under what circumstances you are willing to reinsert the pictures. Should there be an additional review by OTRS team members? I have been trough all this because I wanted to have pictures of his submersible for the related article and it was everything but easy to get this finally done. But now the article about this sub does have some pictures in contrast to the one about James Camerons Deepsea Challenger where there is still just a drawing of it. In my opinion it would be nice for the readers to have the three pictures or at least one in the article about the Johnston, just to round up this much improved article. What do you think about this? Best regards Yeti-Hunter (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Vami IV:, I have asked the commons Volunteer Response Team whether some of them involved with previous conversations with Victor Vescovo regarding licences of other pictures are able to judge whether he is authorized to upload his pictures as his own work. You can contribute to this discussion overthere. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team/Noticeboard#Clarification_about_the_user_VIvescovo_and_his_rights_to_upload_pictures Best regards Yeti-Hunter (talk) 19:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
I would be very willing to have those photos back in the article if they satisfy whatever mechanisms we have for this. I don't do image copyright, so I don't know. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 18:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

May songs edit

May songs
 

I have the quirky DYK today, which is rare, and I don't quite know why music for peace was deemed quirky. If you look at the article, you'll see some ill links that you might be willing to fill with at least stubs, such as his church in Düsseldorf. Basilica of St. Severin, Cologne would be good for expansion ... - I took and picked the blue-and-yellow pic last year for May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Very nice, and some lovely churches, too. I may have a look at St. Margaret's within the month. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 21:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK - and more May pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Today, thank you for Saline Valley salt tram, "about a defunct aerial tramway that operated in the mountainous desert of south-eastern California at various times in the 20th century. Whenever it was operating, it was the steepest tramway in the whole country."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

My pleasure. It is probably now my most famous work. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 06:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
It's highly unusual. - My most recent fame came from Ladislaja Harnoncourt. Today back to the Ukraine question, raised in the 1930s. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for improving articles in May. I met a new church today, with Horst Christill. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – May 2022 edit

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

New CCI edit

I'm back from my wikibreak. Would you have any interest in helping me polish off a new ACW CCI - Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Hary1mo? The images are all claimed to be own work or CC-by-SA 4.0, but are generally either obvious public domain or obvious copyright violations. Although there's some stuff where the source isn't clear that I'm leaning towards probably a violation, and then there's trickier ones like File:USS Peterhoff wreck.jpg that's claimed CC-by-SA 4.0 but is apparently a work of the North Carolina government. It might be necessary to call in a licensing expert for some of the trickier cases. Hog Farm Talk 23:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Of course. Perhaps Buidhe (talk) could help with these trickier case? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I think most of them can be figured out fairly easily, but some do look a bit trickier. I just tagged two more for speedy on Commons. Some of the articles are non-notable anyway; if you have any doubts about notability I have several books on related subjects and can check for coverage. Hog Farm Talk 23:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
North Carolina doesn't license its works under the stated license. Nominated for deletion (t · c) buidhe 01:59, 19 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

A barnstar for you! edit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Very good editing on Simón Bolívar K1ausMouse (talk) 12:42, 19 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

New Page Reviewing edit

 
Hello, Vami IV.

I've seen you editing recently and you seem like an experienced Wikipedia editor.
Would you please consider applying to become a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. Shellwood (talk) 20:36, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

June 2022 Good Article Nominations backlog drive edit

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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022 edit

 
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Quarter Million Award for USS Johnston edit

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For your contributions to bring USS Johnston (DD-557) (estimated annual readership: 280,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Quarter Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 16:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

A barnstar for you! edit

  The Writer's Barnstar
WikiMacaroons leaned over and whispered, "Take this barnstar... cherish it..."

Crap, there I go again. Of course for your formidable work on Simón Bolívar, wonderfully written. Good luck in the TCC. That 50 pounds sterling is a bet I'm willing to lose. WikiMacaroonsCinnamon? 23:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

question re possible roles edit

Hi there. I am the Lead Coordinator at WikiProject History. we could use some experienced editors there, who have some knowledge of editing and of history-related topics, to serve as coordinators there. would you be at all interested? please feel free to let me know. please ping me if you reply. thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 01:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Sm8900: Sure, why not? Can you tell me more about WP:HIST's goals, structures, and methodology? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 02:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
thanks so much! well, our goals right now are mainly to serve as a community forum and noticeboard, based simply on whatever topics editors might wish to discuss there. the wikiproject itself is not very active at all. I mainly have tried to format it to be a useful talk page and forum, and not much more than that. We are always open to input, ideas, and knowledgeable insights, from an editor with actual extensive experience with editing, or bringing artices to FA status, etc. I will let you know the next steps a little later. it's really good to hear your reply. feel free to write. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 01:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
hi. Ok, let's move ahead with this. could you please go to the talk page at the main page for WikiProject History, open a new section, there, and then please: a) introduce yourself, b) mention that I asked you to please volunteer as a possible Coordinator for WikiProject History, and then c) mention some basic details about your editing experience, past editing accomplishments, relevant awards or milestones if you wish, and of course d) the details on your editing as it relates to history topics, which I know is pretty substantial. You can also of course add or include anything else you feel that you'd like to mention in your messsage there.
I will then comment on your message, and will indicate my support. we will allow a time period of about two weeks to allow anyone to comment who wishes to do so. the purpose of this procedure is to maintain some degree of structure for this process, as well as transparency. I anticipate that your candidacy should be approved with no dissent. I am sure the other editors will be glad to have your involvement there.
Just to be totally clear, I consider you an outstanding candidate for this role. our WikiProject will be lucky to have your involvement. your past awards, your past recognition received in various editing milestones, and your extensive involvement with a wide variety of history topics and areas, means you will have a variety of positive knowledge and experience to offer. I really appreciate your willingness to be involved in this way. looking forward to discussing possible ideas. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 21:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Books & Bytes – Issue 50 edit

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2022 edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

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  Technical news

  • Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
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Battle of Palanga edit

Thank you for passing by and rating the article! I can see that it didn't pass on the "Coverage and accuracy" criteria—reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies; I'd like to see if I can improve the article in any way. Is there any sources that you would like to see included, that conflicts with the current information? Imonoz (talk) 21:11, 2 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

I don't know about sources, since this is out of my area of familiarity (you might ask User:Auntieruth55), but an order of battle would make this a B-class. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

A barnstar for you! edit

  The Original Barnstar
this deserves a barnstar in itself Hog Farm Talk 01:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

In appreciation edit

  The WikiChevrons
By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this award in recognition of the enormous amount of work you do behind the scenes at the Military History Project. It is appreciated. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
wow! well done, indeed! glad to have you onboard, both here and at WP:HIST. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 15:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
The Chevrons, at long last. Thank you; it is my pleasure. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 22:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations from the Military History Project edit

  The Military history A-Class medal
On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the A-Class medal for 42 cm Gamma howitzer, Léon Degrelle, and USS Johnston (DD-557). Ian Rose (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
June songs
 

Thank you for improving articles in June! My song collection is especially rich, look, and the hall where I first heard DFD, Pierre Boulez and Murray Perahia. Do you find the baby deer in the meadow (last row)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

I was struck by this and the contrast between the flowers and songs and the horrible things described in my TFA blurb. My new FAC co-nom about an old towboat at least conjures up music in my mind, but I'm not sure how popular "towboat picking up barges / on a long hot summer day" (courtesy Hartford and Felker) is around here. Hog Farm Talk 03:03, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
I have a thing for the tranquil. I suppose I'll see you and Sturm enjoying the flowers, music, and humidity of Alabama. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 03:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations from WikiProject History edit

hi. ok, your candidacy has been approved. congratulations! you are now officially a Project Coordinator at WikiProject History. we can definitely use the input and efforts of someone with your talents, editing knowledge, experience and expertise. particularly, please note that actually I myself do not actually edit all that heavily in various entries in history-related topical areas. So we can really use your knowledge, when it comes to topics like advancing articles to FA status, plus advanced editing areas and efforts in general.

please feel free to share any ideas you may have. this is your WikiProject now. the editing community can really benefit from your knowledge and input, of editing, of wikipedia processes, and of various methods for improving articles. again, welcome! I am really so glad to have you aboard, and part of our project community. looking forward to sharing ideas. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 14:38, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Sm8900: Glad to join the crew! For the moment, I must apologize for being late in reply; I was without internet access for a few days. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
hi there. no problem at all! glad to have you onboard there, now. enjoy!! Sm8900 (talk) 20:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

question edit

hi. wiould you perhaps be available to join a zoom call for a local chapter this evening? the details are listed at this page, Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2022. if you want to join, that would be great; if not, no problem. feel free to let me know, if you want. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 14:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

You know what this is edit

  Four Award
Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Sawmill Fire (2017). ♠PMC(talk) 04:23, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Promotion of Sawmill Fire (2017) edit

Congratulations, Vami IV! The article you nominated, Sawmill Fire (2017), has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Hog Farm (talk) via FACBot (talk) 12:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks edit

Thanks for your edits at Simón Bolívar, a level 3 Vital article. Keep going, and soon we will get the next Vital Bio FA that wasn't nominated a decade ago. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022 edit

 
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Triple Crown edit

 
I'm very pleased to present the Imperial Napoleonic Triple Crown Jewels to Vami IV, for your work on "Did you know?" and the good and featured article processes! — Bilorv (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations! Delighted to see you back for an upgrade. Hope all is well with you. — Bilorv (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Note re ideas edit

hi. I have some ideas that I would like to discuss with you. would you be willing to communicate off-wiki? the reason I am asking that is that for some topics, I find it easier to discuss via a threaded messsaging app, such as WhatsApp. Also, if you are willing, perhaps we could speak by phone? we can keep it brief if you want; but I simply have some ideas to discuss, which might be easier to discuss if we actually speak by phone. if you prefer not to, that's totally fine. feel free to let me know whatever method(s) you might be okay with. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 00:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm in the unofficial WikiMedia community Discord server, if that works for you. If not, I can look into WhatsApp or just email you a phone number (I would also prefer the latter if Discord doesn't work). –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
Hi. well, actually, yes, I don;t really find DIscord that helpful. it would better if you could please email me your phone number, if that feels okay for you. I will send you an email, to get the process started, if that is helpful. thanks!! Sm8900 (talk) 02:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
I'll dash it off tomorrow, though I'll be out of the house then. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 03:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the hard work at FAR! edit

  The Working Man's Barnstar
We have a Featured article save award, but for your good work, we need the opposite! Thank you for rolling up your sleeves to complete the unpleasant task at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Geology Hall, New Brunswick, New Jersey/archive1. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – July 2022 edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).

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  Arbitration

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A barnstar for you! edit

  The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
For all you do at CCI. Hog Farm Talk 05:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022 edit

 
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A barnstar for you! edit

  Vital Barnstar
For your work on Simón Bolívar and encouragement at the Discord server to improve Vital articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 11:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
I remember that I've thanks you before about this, but now here's a proper barnstar in recognition for your work :) CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 11:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate it. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 12:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

July thanks edit

July songs
 

Thank you for improving articles in July. - I was away, for hiking in the Swiss Alps and a funeral, more on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Your GA nomination of Geology Hall, New Brunswick, New Jersey edit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Geology Hall, New Brunswick, New Jersey you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.   This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Premeditated Chaos -- Premeditated Chaos (talk) 01:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Passed edit

The article Geology Hall, New Brunswick, New Jersey you nominated as a good article has passed  ; see Talk:Geology Hall, New Brunswick, New Jersey for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Premeditated Chaos -- Premeditated Chaos (talk) 06:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Reinsertion of the gallery of the wreck pictures of the USS Johnston edit

Hi, I would like tell you that those three pictures of the wreck of the USS Johnston were doublechecked by the permission team and from their point of view they are ok for a use after a conversation with Victor Vescovo. Please note the statement of the Volunteer Response Team in each of the related detail pages in commons. So, now what do you think about undoing the change done at the 3. February 2022 (removal of the gallery)? Yeti-Hunter (talk) 19:04, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

I have restored the gallery. Thank you sincerely for getting this done. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 03:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Books & Bytes – Issue 51 edit

  The Wikipedia Library

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2022 edit

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  Administrator changes

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  • An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
  • An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

  Technical news

  • The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
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  Arbitration

  • The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

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  • Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
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FAC edit

August songs
 

I have a Bach cantata FAC open, would you be interested? The coordinator wants to see action. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

By now, there seem to be enough eyes on it - new pics and thoughts on 13 August --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Look at the church where I heard VOCES8. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you edit

Thank you for all your help on the GA for Elden Ring! If you need any assistance on an article in the future, do please let me know! CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Your GA nomination of Felix M. Warburg House edit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Felix M. Warburg House you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.   This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Johannes Schade -- Johannes Schade (talk) 20:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Passed edit

The article Felix M. Warburg House you nominated as a good article has passed  ; see Talk:Felix M. Warburg House for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Johannes Schade -- Johannes Schade (talk) 20:02, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Watie edit

Can't do a whole lot with anything written now with a badly cracked computer screen. But from a quick glance of the Watie article, I don't think File:Polson Cemetery, Historical Marker for Stand Watie (Degataga Oo-Watee).JPG is usable. No freedom of panorama in USA and it was apparently erected by a state historical society in 1971, so it's not federal government PD and not old enough for PD. Any thoughts on this image's licensing? Hog Farm Talk 14:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Well shoot. If it can't be in the article, then I guess it shouldn't be in the article. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 01:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
I'll take another look this week just to be sure - for the first time in about two weeks I now have a fully-functioning computer again. Hog Farm Talk 02:25, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022 edit

 
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations opening soon edit

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  • An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
  • The arbitration case request Jonathunder has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.

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Bolivar edit

I have been following your remarkable work on Boliver for some time, bravo! It seems like you are on the home stretch with his life, though I assume the legacy section will take some time.

Re this; I added the notes subheading as I assumed it had been forgotten. If your intention was/is to minimize the sub-headers for that section, then perhaps returning to "References" above "Citations" and "Bibliography" makes more sense, given that the current format has the "Bibliography" as part of the "Notes" section, which is rather odd. Aza24 (talk) 08:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

I have renamed the sections as you suggested. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 03:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
My apologies, I wasn't very clear, I meant that if you preferred not to have three subheadings, I would just keep the formatting how it was before I touched the article. Best – Aza24 (talk) 06:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
I think I might be confused? I hadn't forgotten a subheading; I just hate having section headers directly below each other, with no separation. It's always struck me as a waste of space. The headers I was using, however, could have used improvement, and I think they are much improved now with your prodding. I've never been an academic and as such have been misusing the word "citation" for years. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 06:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

"Eurasian bullfinchs" listed at Redirects for discussion edit

  An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Eurasian bullfinchs and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 8#Eurasian bullfinchs until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. William Avery (talk) 13:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations from the Military History Project edit

  Military history reviewers' award
On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the The Milhist reviewing award (2 stripes) for participating in 7 reviews between April and June 2022. Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 07:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting opening soon! edit

Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election opens in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 15 September) and will last through 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Correction to previous election announcement edit

Just a quick correction to the prior message about the 2022 MILHIST coordinator election! I (Hog Farm) didn't proofread the message well enough and left out a link to the election page itself in this message. The voting will occur here; sorry about the need for a second message and the inadvertent omission from the prior one. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Leon Degrelle edit

What is the basis of the unreliability of the source Unnecessarily (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Reviews of the book in academic journals. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 20:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
links? Unnecessarily (talk) 21:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
I will read them with an open mind, I found the book quite neutral, and the section in question is factual and opinion free. I will be surprised to find that it is incorrect. Unnecessarily (talk) 21:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
As it turns out, I had misremembered. I mistook de Bruyne's work for a biography of Degrelle published in the Netherlands in 2015 or thereabouts. I eliminated de Bruyne because I could not find a copy of it when I was writing the article. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Clarified. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Are you restoring the source....... even though you have deleted the need for it, it is still an excellent book for anyone who wants to delve deeper into the subject. Unnecessarily (talk) 22:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
It might be worth including in a #Further reading, but I curiously can't find any reviews of it (nothing comes up on JSTOR). –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 22:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
https://www.scribd.com/book/402300579/For-Rex-and-for-Belgium-Leon-Degrelle-and-Walloon-Political-and-Military-Collaboration-1940-45 Unnecessarily (talk) 22:36, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Also, are you saying that all wiki pages that show awards should have them removed? This page is about a military officer, his awards are fairly relevant! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unnecessarily (talkcontribs) 20:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes; they're inappropriate and actually not all that relevant. I mentioned when Degrelle won notable awards like the Iron Cross in the regular prose anyway. There is no need for a big list, independent of the rest of the article, that screams "hey check out how cool this Nazi guy was!". –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 20:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
So you would have no problem going to The George Patton page and deleting the awards section then? Unnecessarily (talk) 21:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Patton's article tellingly does not include an Awards section. And if it did, I would not have a problem removing it and then discussing its removal per WP:BRD. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_summary_of_George_S._Patton#Orders,_decorations_and_medals Unnecessarily (talk) 21:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Oh. Huh. I'm floored that we have this. This is not an article that should exist. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Also in here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Zhukov Unnecessarily (talk) 22:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Gah, of course. That'll have to go, too. Absolutely needless. A complete, Good or Featured Article on Zhukov would not have that list and instead mention important awards as they come up in the prose. See Walter Krueger or Alan McNicoll as examples without subsections for awards. I guess if I'm bringing up Featureds as examples though, there's Douglas MacArthur#Honors and awards (but then he's MacArthur) or Lionel Matthews as a bad example (especially as it may break our guidelines for non-free content. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 22:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

I use wiki for information.....facts and data, I am capable of deciding by myself which I consume. I don't need to read an article that has being throttled because of editors preferences of what should be seen. The users are not children that need to have basic facts censored, they can make their own minds up. This denial of knowledge is not a good thing!

Indeed, readers can make their own minds up. If they really want to know all the awards Degrelle won, they can search that up somewhere else. But the inclusion of a list of his awards, or any soldier's, is unencyclopedic. Especially if the sources for that list include titles like "Loyalty was their Honor!", which is an almost word-for-word quotataion of the Waffen-SS's motto. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
"they can search that up somewhere else."
yes but this is where people look stuff up! I don't see the downside of a list of awards....if I am looking up a person, I want that information there, so I can decide if it is relevant to me or not. In the case case of Degrelle, his awards are public knowledge, but why would you want to drive people away by restricting the information that is allowed, or worse, driving them to sites that are far worse than wiki. Unnecessarily (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
The information is already in the article: In May [1942], he was made an officer and awarded the Iron Cross, First Class, for his conduct in battle. [...] On 20 February [1944], Degrelle was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross by Hitler.

The reason a separate section (or worse) for awards is a bad idea is threefold: it's unnecessary and just takes up space; it needlessly adds to the size of an article; and it becomes a sort of altar to that person and to the idea of military glory. That is not a thing that needs to be promoted, and the trend on-wiki has been to remove them in favor of mentioning noteworthy commendations in the prose and listing prominent awards in the infobox. Degrelle's article does both. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 22:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

I don't know... in my heart it feels like censorship. Unnecessarily (talk) 22:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
IMO it does not matter that he was a Nazi, what matters is that the awards are not the primary or even secondary reason for his notability. For a counter example, some Olympic athletes are indeed notable for the awards they received, and I wouldn't remove Oksana_Chusovitina#Competitive_history (although the next two sections of that article feel pretty crufty). Because it's not relevant to the notability, it is more like trivia that is generally not encyclopedic. (t · c) buidhe 04:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
The politics are irrelevant to me, although I know well that many people see only through the political lens! I see no difference between the soldier and the athlete, if I look up either, I am doing so to find out information about them. I do not want or need others to decide which information is worth me seeing. I have the ability to figure that out myself.
The fact that Vami deleted the Awards of Degrelle, but put a request in to delete the awards of Patton, and has left Zhukovs awards untouched lets me know that Wiki NPOV policy it not worth the virtual paper it is written on. Shame on those who censor and push their own agenda and narrative
Just show the facts...all the facts...trust that the readers can decide for themselves when to stop reading. They are not children, and do not need to be guided into thinking the correct way. Unnecessarily (talk) 07:02, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
I do not want or need others to decide which information is worth me seeing. I have the ability to figure that out myself. It's impossible to avoid this because Wikipedia articles are of finite length. In order to remain useful to our viewers and not sprawl out to an unreadable length, some content will have to be left out and the bigger the topic is the tighter the summary has to be. (t · c) buidhe 07:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Not the issue in this case Unnecessarily (talk) 07:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Maybe a "politically censored" warning on such articles? Unnecessarily (talk) 07:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia articles are of finite length...in that case, it is self-regulating Unnecessarily (talk) 07:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi Vami, I think it is unfair to Misters de Bruyne & Rikmeenspoel, that your note that their book has been "assessed as less than reliable" still stands. Can you fix this please. Unnecessarily (talk)11:43, 18 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding undated comment added 11:43, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

I cannot modify edit summaries. If it will suffice, I checked some of my sources again and Eddy de Bruyne, at least, is a reliable author (Martin Conway cites his French-language work a few times in his book about Rex and Degrelle). Rikmeenspoel appears to be another Gordon Williamson (writer), though. I'd be happy to learn that that isn't the case, but I had a look at his works and one of them is a translation of a Waffen-SS memoir while the other is a book-size listicle of Knight's Cross winners. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 20:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
I think that condemning an author because you do not like his chosen subject field show a lack of neutrality. Unnecessarily (talk) 21:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

T. Harri Jones edit

Pls do not revert again. It is not, in my view, a copyright violation. If you think it is, go ahead and report it. KJP1 (talk) 21:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

September music edit

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Thank you for improving articles in September! Yesterday, we sang old music for two choirs at church, pictured, scroll to the image of the organ of the month of the Diocese of Limburg (my perspective), and if you have time, watch the video about it. And today I wrote an article about music premiered today, Like as the hart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Ahh, what a beautiful flower and photo! I shall certainly check out the video when the night quiets down. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 05:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you today for Sawmill Fire (2017), introduced "Here's some black comedy. The first (I'm pretty sure) wildfire caused by a gender reveal party, which resulted in the incineration of ~47,000 acres of Federal and Arizona state property in April 2017."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
travel and strings sound --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

sawmill fire edit

hello, Vami IV! i had a quick question regarding this article and the associated blurb. tannerite appears to be a brand name. should it be capitalized in the blurb and article? i am not sure if it is being used as a genericized trademark, but the cited cnn source capitalizes it, and this npr source seems to focus on it being a brand. dying (talk) 04:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

It had escaped me that Tannerite is a brand, but that was because the word "tannerite" has become quick shorthand for Tannerite-like explosive powders. That is why I rendered it in lower-case in the article and blurb. I do not know for sure if it was Tannerite tannerite in that target in April 2017 (though I guess those sources imply it was the genuine article), but it is moot anyway. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 05:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
are you saying that "tannerite" is generally accepted as a genericized trademark? i am admittedly not familiar with the substance, which is why i found it unusual when i noticed that many of the sources on the fire, as well as wikipedia's own article on the explosive, generally capitalized the brand name. this discrepancy is why i wanted to check with you regarding whether its use as a generic term was proper.
i think "aspirin" has been genericized to the point that using it uncapitalized on the main page should not be an issue. however, i also know that "coke" is used as a generic term for a soft drink in some varieties of english, but i cannot recall ever coming across such a use of "coke" on wikipedia (aside from, of course, in the discussion of its use as a generic term). also, i noticed that the tannerite web site seems to be trying to protect their brand name, with registered trademark symbols liberally used throughout.
in any case, i will defer to your judgement on the issue. thanks, Vami IV! dying (talk) 08:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

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@WP:MILHIST coordinators: and page watchers,

I have been evicted from my current place of residence and will be unable to do very much Wikipedia for the forseeable future. Apologies for the inconvenience. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 16:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

That's not good. I hope you can get things sorted out soon. I don't know if you're the religious type or not, but I am and I'll be praying for you. Hog Farm Talk 17:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
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I will also be praying for you my friend, best of luck. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 02:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Thank you for improving articles in October! - Look for mine: two favourite concerts were on DYK, and too many on RD (three yesterday). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

who shall separate us --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Helena of mine was listed for closure yesterday. Would you be willing to do the closure actions for it? I'm hoping to get it to FAC soon before I get busier again in mid-January. Hog Farm Talk 14:37, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

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