V.N.Ali

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April 2019

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June 2019

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. YouTube is not a reliable source. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:32, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Good afternoon, I speak Russian. Robert Hossein, speaking of his origin is not a reliable source? Robert Hossein: "Родители, отец мой, они были Азери" (″Parents, father my, they were Azeri″). V.N.Ali (talk) 07:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Робер О­ссейн: «Нашу с Мариной Влади семью погубил русский быт»

Мой отец Андре Оссейн родился в Самарканде, хотя по национальности он азербайджанец, был очень талантливым человеком.

Shigareva, Yulia (2013-08-28). Argumenty i Fakty.

V.N.Ali (talk) 07:56, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Andre Hossein, you may be blocked from editing. For the 123456789th time, Youtube is NOT a reliable source and you have to achieve consensus for your changes on the article's talk page. ---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:04, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:BB. Thanks for the advice, but do not put pressure on the participants, loudly calling their contributions disruptive. And about YouTube: YouTube is only an information field like Wikipedia, the source is Robert Hossein.

See discussion page. V.N.Ali (talk) 03:22, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

V.N.Ali, what Wikaviani means is that you have to achieve WP:Consensus. Also see WP:BRD. There's a lot of policies and such, so my apologies for the confusion. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 15:56, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's correct, Wikipedia works primarily with consensus. I would add that your above statement "Youtube is only an information field just like Wikipedia" sounds like you don't know what the difference between an encyclopedia and and a streaming site is ...---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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- LouisAragon (talk) 12:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

This is a clear case of poisoining the well, and a big no-no. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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Final warning

I warned you before for making WP:TENDENTIOUS edits within WP:AA2. On numerous occassions you have tried to cherry-pick material in order to push for illegitimate historic revisionism. FYI, "Adharbayjan" redirects to Azerbaijan (Iran), yet you misconstrued Frye's Enc. of Islam (2nd edition) statement (you added "however ...(...)")[2] as if it contradicts the well-established narrative, accepted in the majority WP:RS, which explains that the word "Azerbaijan" was never used for a political entity to the north of the Aras prior to 1918. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

More examples:

• Changed "Persian poet Nizami Ganjavi" to "Persian-language poet Kurdish ethnicity Nizami Ganjavi"[3]
• Cherry-picked Atkin's statement whererin she states that the khanates of the eastern Caucasus were referred to as "Azerbaijan", while conveniently omitting her statement right after that where she states: "It seemed clearer to me to use Azerbaijan only for the southern part of the province that has remained under Iranian control" (preface, xi).[4]
• Denying Nizami's Persian ethnic origin on the talk page of Nizami Street: " Nizami is a Persian poet, since his works are only in Persian, he contributed to Persian literature. The determining factor is not ethnic identity, but its belonging to the classical Persian literature, so I propose to make a hyperlink to the classical Persian literature (classical Persian poet), and not to the Persians people."[5]
• Adding a map to the Azerbaijan (toponym) article wherein "Azerbaijan" is placed roughly on present-day Armenia, contrary to almost all historic maps (including those found at Commons).[6]

- LouisAragon (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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Edit warring on Natella Krapivina page

Hello V.N.Ali, you recently undid a revert I did of one of your edits on the Natella Krapivina page. If you disagree with another editor's revert, you need to discuss in on the talk page, not engage in an edit war. As a new editor, I encourage you not to be disruptive but instead to follow established protocol and try to work cooperatively with other editors. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Natella Krapivina. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Okay. V.N.Ali. 16:51, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

See Talk:Natella Krapivina. V.N.Ali. 16:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring on the Azerbaijanis article

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Okay. V.N.Ali. 17:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

January 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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Rafael Fiziev

Hi pls do not remove source and see the article talk page about his citizneship/nationality. Cassiopeia talk 07:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

The source added, updated the information, according to the latest data, Fiziev no longer stands for Kyrgyzstan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYyVieftJxI (July 10, 2022) https://www.espn.com/mma/fighter/_/id/4339488/rafael-fiziev https://calfkicker.com/rafael-fiziev-became-the-first-fighter-to-represent-azerbaijan-in-the-ufc/ https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3184765/rising-ufc-star-rafael-fiziev-kos-rafael-dos V.N.Ali (talk) 13:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

You edit has been reverted. Pls read the article talk page. Cassiopeia talk 08:37, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Cassiopeia,I apologize for my English, I don't speak English well and I only noticed your post on my talk page after I made my last edit to the article, it's true. The fact that Fiziev now represents the country of Azerbaijan, and not Kyrgyzstan, is already a fait fact... Maybe you didn’t see the comment that I left on the article’s talk page?.. I recommend reading the links added there... You have English obviously better than mine, so this should help to figure it out... Question: how can you be sure that he remained a citizen of Kyrgyzstan, but does not have Azerbaijani citizenship? V.N.Ali (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi VN Ali, thank you for the reply above. First of all , Wikipedia is about verification. We have independent, reliable source indicate he was born in Kyrgyzstan for such he is a Kygystani. Secondly, many fighters represent country they are not born of or their parents country and even the whole world and etc, and that does not indicate they have the citizenship of the countries they represent, for such we can state the are the citizen of the country. Lastly, we dont put the subject heritage/blood line/ race/ ethnicity on the lead (intro) section but on the body text which the info is already in the article body text. Cassiopeia talk 01:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Cassiopeia, he was born in Kazakhstan and lived there until the age of 12 (https://www.championat.com/boxing/article-4212559-rafael-fiziev-ekskljuzivnoe-intervju-pered-ufc-256-13-dekabrja-2020.html), which, in general, is not so little. The questions are: 1) according to what rule do we classify an athlete by the presence of their passports, and not by the country for which he competes? For example, the football player Ramil Sheydayev was born in Russia and played for the Russian national teams, and now he plays for the Azerbaijani national team. After all, we will not continue to consider him a Russian football player, if now he plays under the flag of Azerbaijan and for the national team of this country... I watched Fiziev last fight with Rafael dos Anjos and did not see a hint that Fiziev is a Kyrgyzstani sportsman... The indicated source is already 2 years old, since then many events have happened, in particular, Fiziev's refusal to perform with the flag of Kyrgyzstan (https://www.sports.ru/boxing/1102145200-rafael-fiziev-otkazalsya-vystupat-pod-flagom-kyrgyzstana-i-pereedet-v-.html). Who cares who has what passports, if in a sports organization an athlete performs under the flag of a certain state...

2) If now he is officially from Azerbaijan (https://www.azerisport.com/other/20220709181606588.html), does this not mean that he has an Azerbaijani passport? Don't sportsmen have several passports?.. And why, for example, ESPN (https://www.espn.com/mma/fighter/bio/_/id/4339488/rafael-fiziev) indicates Azerbaijan to him, and not Kyrgyzstan?.. In my opinion, today's version does not reflect the real state of affairs. Perhaps it would be better: "is a professional mixed martial artist and Muay Thai fighter". What do you think is necessary to indicate that he is currently Azerbaijani? Is it a source that he has an Azerbaijani passport, that he is a citizenship of this country? V.N.Ali (talk) 17:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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