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Samuel Fraunces

Latest comment: 7 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

Kym Rice, relying on deep research into the documentary evidence, thoroughly debunked the Phoebe Fraunces Legend more than 30 years ago. Blockson, in his unsourced essay, continues to repeat the legend as fact. I think the "Unreliable?" tag is a reasonable way to give the reader a heads-up that what they are about to read is not supported by documentary evidence. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay, you believe Rice's evidence and methodology is better than Blockson's. It probably is. And Phoebe Fraunces is a myth that Blockson perpetuates. Got it. But just because of this, it doesn't make him UN reliable on the issue of Fraunces's race. Maybe LESS reliable, but that is not a tag Wikipedia uses. And I get it, you think he's full of bunk. Maybe he is. But I don't think he should be tagged with the unreliable tag. Besides, he's only cited twice in the article and he is balanced by so many sources that you've put into the article. Thus I think it's unnecessary. The other sources serve to question Blockson enough. (And, like it or not, Temple University, for whatever reason, has given Blockson's ideas their imprimatur, so calling it wholly UNreliable is a tad of a stretch.) TuckerResearch (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Blockson began collecting African-American memorabilia in the 1940s and amassed one of the great collections in the United States. It formed the core of the Afro American Museum in Philadelphia's collection, which opened for the Bicentennial. He got ticked off at the museum in the 1980s, and yanked the collection. Local politicians recognized the potential loss if it was dispersed. They found public funds to buy the collection, house it at Temple University and employ Blockson as its curator.

Let me know if you come to Philadelphia again. Despite our butting heads, I'd enjoy showing you around. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I think you're doing great work on the article. Which is why I rarely edit it though I have it watchlisted. I just disagree with you on this one. (I was researching the son of the fellow who I found called Fraunces "a negro man" in 1838.) TuckerResearch (talk) 03:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I've never doubted your motives. When I took on the Samuel Fraunces ethnicity question about 13 years ago, I began with the presumption that he was of African descent.

Mary Thompson at Mount Vernon is a good person to talk with about it. The folks at Fraunces Tavern are also terrific. One tip -- beware of the faked Fraunces genealogies out there. You can waste a lot of time with them. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:57, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for thinking of me. I'm too busy right now to take it up, but I appreciate your kindness.

On another subject, the author of the children's book now claims to be a DESCENDANT!? Amazing, what persistence can do. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Germanna

Latest comment: 8 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

I see you've edited this article. We have a new article, Frederick Weaver (American Revolutionary), which has material that either contradicts or is left out of Germanna. I have my doubts about the article's creator. Doug Weller talk 14:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Does the Frederick Weaver (American Revolutionary) article meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability? I.e., Wikipedia:Notability (people)? I mean, I'd like to place my Revolutionary ancestor on Wikipedia too, but I don't. TuckerResearch (talk) 17:46, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

I'd say no. Glad you spotted that. As you may have noticed, I not only removed some very dubious material from the article but also have warned the editor about other edits, many involving the word "white". Would you consider doing the honors and nominating it for AfD? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:18, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Done and done. TuckerResearch (talk) 18:42, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll comment tomorrow. Doug Weller talk 19:37, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, it's a problem that is spreading: Cornelius Autrey (Colonist) (hist). This editor seems to be determined to put all his ancestors onto Wikipedia if he can. TuckerResearch (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)