Trideeglass

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What is and isn't contentious in this situation seems to be decided upon arbitrarily. I wish to note here that my edit in particular contained absolutely no element that had been, at any point, deemed contentious. The establishment history of a state is not based upon ethnic boundaries. By this means, the first medieval polities to be established in Romania, for which there is scholarly consensus, as well as the De Facto Personal Union of Michael the Brave, are both elements of objective historicity. Why would an establishment history be attributed an ethnic character? Using similar principles, the Early Dynastic Period is included in the section present on the Egyptian article, although ethnically and linguistically it is evident modern Egyptian Arabic did not develop out of that culture. Trideeglass (talk) 14:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

There is a modern Egypt, and there was an ancient Egypt, there was also an ancient Dacia, but there was no ancient Romania, and no medieval Romania. Romania simply didn't exist in Antiquity, nor in the Middle Ages.

And Eastern Europe has been singled out as a contentious topic because it is a cesspool of ethno-national WP:Advocacy. tgeorgescu (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Ancient Egypt is, ethnically, unrelated to modern Egypt trough an "ethno-national" lens. I hadn't advocated for Romania originating out of Dacia, that was not the purpose nor intention of my edit, because from an ethnic perspective there had also been several autonomies with Romanian majority populations that are excluded out of the "Establishment history" section, and that I hadn't aimed to include. As a result, I do not conflate the Romanian ethnicity with the Romanian state, because Nation states had not existed prior to the 19th century (as per conservative historiographic conceptions). Historical periods such as the Middle Ages and the Modern Age in Romania start on the basis on different societal events, which I wished to highlight. Notice how I marked the "Aurelian Retreat" and not "Roman Dacia". On the series on the History of Romania, the Middle Ages are represented, including significantly the Early Middle Ages. It states on that article, and I quote "The Early Middle Ages in Romania started with the withdrawal of the Roman troops and administration from Dacia province in the 270s". This is the grounds on which I made my edit, as the formation of the first Romanian polities highlight the subsequent late medieval period (even if we are to ignore Litovoi, Bezerenbam and Mișelav, as well as other figures, Wallachia and Moldavia nonetheless represent prime examples of this time period), whereas the "Little Union" exemplifies the geopolitical facet of the Romanian National Awakening. Trideeglass (talk) 15:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

I also provided additional insight on the Talk: Romania topic I had created. I am indeed very new to the platform but I think it is important that contributions not be dismissed. I practically had only exemplified what is already in the article and on Wikipedia as a whole, aspects that do not seem to result in any sort-of WP:WAR. If possible, I would wish either arguments be made against what I had stated in the Talk section, or otherwise my edit be reinstated. Trideeglass (talk) 15:21, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

I am not the one who has reverted you. I informed you of the applicable WP:RULES and their reasons, further I will take a get the popcorn approach to this quarrel. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)