Tottenhamlad

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What to put under "see also"

Hi there, I've been noticing your work adding links to other articles under "See also". In some cases, I wondered what the connection was to the main article?

If it's just something very loose like they're all murders in Britain, this is usually dealt with by adding a category at the bottom (eg Mary Ann Leneghan is already in category:British murdered children). Hope this is helpful, cheers, JackyR | Talk 15:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Please avoid adding 'see also section' unless there is a clear rational. Since your sections have been objected to by a number of users, please don't replace them without discussing and gaining consensus on the talk pages.--Doc^g 09:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Articles on muder victims

You may want to be aware that Currently there is controversy on Wikipedia about having articles about people who are notable only for having been victims of crimes. At this point the consensus seems to be to not have such articles unless there is some larger context or results of the crime (such as with Abner Louima or Rodney King). JoshuaZ 13:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Turnpike Lane tube

Wouldn't Seven Sisters be a shorter walk from the BWFE than Turnpike Lane? — iridescenti (talk to me!) 22:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

When I lived near BWFE I always used Turnpike Lane tube as there are lots of short cuts that make getting there quicker than Seven Sisters. Looking at the London AZ just now they are about equal distance depending on what exit you use from the estate.Tottenhamlad 21:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Just seems like I'd rather walk down Bruce Grove & the High Road (or down Lordship Lane to Wood Green) than across Lordship Rec & down the side streets in the dark. Yes, BWFE has the lowest crime rate in London but that's because you can't walk two feet without being filmed - once you're off it you've the choice of the robbers in the side streets or the druggies & clippers on West Green Road — iridescenti (talk to me!) 21:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way can I ask your interest in the BWFE? All my feelings to it are totally negative. As a very young kid I remember my mum walking us across the allotments they destroyed to build it (a lot of people were unhappy about them being built on). In the late 60's my family used to spend nearly the whole summer at Tottenham Lido and we watched day-by-day as the estate was built. When my grandmother was widowed in the early seventies she had to leave her home (a stones throw south of the then new estate) because of all the attacks on the (English) old age pensioners in the areas surrounding the estate. In the early 80's when I still lived with my parents I'd watch from my bedroom window as nearly every night there would be a police helicopter with it's search light beaming down of the estate and the rec. On the night the riot took place I went over to take a look (I knew all the gaps in the fences to sneak in!) but realising it was a bit 'heavy' stayed on the other side of the police lines to watch. Not forgetting the (non-English) c*nt who tried to mug me once as I walked through the estate. Or the countless times my dad told me about seeing big flash cars around the estate with guns on the back seat, at the time I told him he was making it up, but in retrospect, especially with all the black gun crime in London, I believe him now.

The entry on BWFE is way too positive in my opinion, but as the media and the various academics who have reported upon and studied the estate have never ever bothered to interview the displaced English working class of Tottenham, none of this is reflected in the various resources that can be found on line, making it impossible (at present) to present the more negative and truthful (I was there, I saw what was going on and read the reports of crime week after week in the local papers) story.Tottenhamlad 21:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Along with The Mall Wood Green (I did it under the official name, even though noone's ever called it that), it came purely because I wondered why we never had an article on it. I admit my feelings towards the BWFE are not exactly positive - I grew up in Haringey and I don't think anyone from round here can have much nice to say about it. Quite aside from the riots, it's spent the last 20 years sucking up money when it probably would have been cheaper and better to do what Hackney did with Holly Street and bulldoze the place and rehouse everyone.

While I did my best not to breach WP:NPOV in my description of it in the 70s & 80s, I hope I do manage to give an impression of just how foul it actually was. I think most of the problems did come from the place, rather than the people on it - I have a feeling if I had to grow up on the BWFE in the 70s I'd have probably gone bad as well. However, I did try to get across that not everyone there (black or white) was all bad, even in the worst days.

To be honest I don't think I've gone overboard in how much it's improved - while some of the problems will never be sorted out because the place itself is so grim and so isolated, it's infinitely better than it used to be. I used to be stationed at Tottenham police station, and was shocked at how low the crime rate there was, given all I'd heard about it growing up; it might all be down to the CCTV cameras on every corner & the wardens watching everyone, but having worked a lot of different stations, I actually do believe the council's "safest place in London" claim. It is true that in 2005 we only had one burglary and no robberies on the BWFE. Yes, it probably makes no difference to the overall figures since all that's happening is the local thugs are doing their thieving elsewhere, but I will give everyone involved in BWFE credit for cleaning it up - I'd much rather live on the BWFE than, say, Northumberland Park Estate or the Campsbourne — iridescenti (talk to me!) 23:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007

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Battle of Lewisham

I see you've repeatedly reverted editors removing that blog post over a period of two years. If you keep reverting the removal, I'll report you for edit warring. Repeated removal gives a clear consensus against inclusion. Fences and windows (talk) 22:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Explain why you say that "...I think it is unreliable and biased..."?

I was on the demo as a left-wing anti-racist. I give a true account of the events I witnessed, and feel that the removal of the link is usually motivated by a dislike my current not so left-wing and not so anti-racist political views. Tottenhamlad (talk) 20:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

PS What are your memories of the demo? where were you, what did you see, what did you do?