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Independents who are affiliated with, but not officially endorsed by a registered political party

I have correspondence from the VEC to prove that this is the position which the VEC holds that they are still Independents despite the party affiliation. I rather keep it confidential. Do you have an email address I can forward it to? Throwaway is fine.

--Kleinerziegler (talk) 11:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi - no need, I believe you on that front but remembering that Wikipedia is not always a straight copy-paste of what a respective electoral commission/ballot says

For simplicity (especially when in Vic the word "independent" is not on the ballot) easier to label them with the affiliation and let the party registration section of the respective election page give further info

Turning Point is not a party so they shouldn't be added alongside Fusion, A1 etc Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

In short - just let it state the (unregistered) party name on its own Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 12:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks mate. Happy for TP to be removed. For the others, not convinced without a robust wikipedia discussion on official record vs. what we think it should be. Probably a question which should be addressed ahead of dreaded council elections where everyone is 'independent'.

--Kleinerziegler (talk) 12:24, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

You know what, that's fair and I think we need that discussion before the council elections (if you see one, tag me in because I'd love to contribute to it).

For the purpose of space how about editing down "Independent" to "Ind." so it'd be "Ind. Australia One" etc? Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 12:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm good with that Kleinerziegler (talk) 16:27, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi again. I noticed that you have gone ahead and removed PIBCI from Joseph Toscano and deleted the sources for everyone's allegiances. What is going on with that? Is there some kind of wikipedia standard for doing this because it seems strange to be removing information. What if someone wants to verify it in the future? Why does Joseph get different treatment? Is it because of Mulgrave by-election page and his status as a previous candidate and/or you don't want anyone to know who PIBCI are, so you are trying to set a new standard of not having sourced information? Very strange pattern of behaviour mate.

You wrote on your userpage "Just here to add party affiliations and local government election results"

... By removing party affiliations?

I highly doubt that a small outfit like PIBCI are a threat to whatever party you might be aligned with.

--Kleinerziegler (talk) 01:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi - is there actual evidence PIBCI is a party, be that unregistered? I don't see how it is, especially compared to others like Fusion and A1

I'm not aligned with any party

For the sake of keeping with the style of every other party in those election results tables, I remove the references and added them to a section on the main 2022 Victorian state election page Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 03:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

https://pibci.net/Joinus.html

https://pibci.net/assets/files/MembershipForm%202021.pdf

~ Kleinerziegler (talk) 07:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, can keep it then Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 07:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

when updating

Please get a handle on WP:RS

very useful when updating info JarrahTree 13:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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It's not a joke edit? That's the exact ticket names for the 2020 election, check the VEC website (which was already cited) Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 00:51, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

See the link below - the ticket used all those names, why not include them? The ticket names are used on the main City of Melbourne page already

https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/results/council-election-results/2020-council-election-results/melbourne-city-council#CouncillorResults Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 00:56, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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No worries, thanks for letting me know Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 13:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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Seconds control

FYI, here's a couple of references on senior clubs assuming control of second eighteens, which looks to have been a gradual process through the 30s. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205268733?searchTerm=%22Second%20eighteen%22%20%22senior%20committee%22 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/164470626?searchTerm=%22second%20eighteen%22%20meeting%20senior

My suggestion is not to treat them as separate clubs in the table of clubs, since all conventions point to club reserves being considered continuous since 1919. The administrative history is less critical to get precise than the football operations history when it comes to sports articles. Aspirex (talk) 01:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough - it does appear Collingwood District is a bit of an outlier though, even the club says it was basically stand-alone right up until 1939 Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 04:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually I'll make myself clearer - it does appear Collingwood District is by far most well-documented with its own history than Carlton District etc

But i do see your point Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 04:55, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

ACT House of Assembly

Hi, and thanks heaps for adding the totals for the elections. I've been trying to find a source for the results for ages (the only one I have is 30/9/74 Canberra Times p3, which were preliminary results for the 28 Sep 1974 election) - do you know where more can be found? Orderinchaos 08:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey - this is preliminary but here's 1979 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110949961

That being said I know preliminary is usually within 1% of average so may as well put it there until a full/better source can be found

Sadly I can only find the seat total outcome for 1982 Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 12:04, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Added citation Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk page revert

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No worries Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 08:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding local government politicians

Ive noticed you have added to the Pauline Hanson's One Nation page 3 new local government councils with One Nation councillors represented there, i was curious on where you are finding this type of information, i dont doubt that these councillors have affiliations with the party, but wanted to see if theres any good sources you have where you can find this sort of info. Auspol4 (talk) 09:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Sources are on the most recent pages for those local elections - 2022 Tas, 2022 SA, 2024 NSW Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 09:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply

I was more asking about the actual party affiliations of the councillors, i might have missed it, but i checked the Tasmanian local elections and i couldn't see any indicator of party affiliations, just candidate names Auspol4 (talk) 03:26, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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Determining Independent LNP in Gold Coast elections

Hey I was doing the page for the 2024 Gold Coast City Council Election and I was just wondering what sources or otherwise you used to determine is someone was Independent LNP or not? It would be greatly appreciated so I can properly categorise candidates for 2024.

Thanks, Comfisofa (talk) 15:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I used a bunch but these should cover it:

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/council-election-2020/gold-coast-council-poll-the-ultimate-punters-guide-on-who-will-win/news-story/2c99e8c0a8b467a89cd4883f1f92550f

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https://www.couriermail.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=CMWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.couriermail.com.au%2Ftruecrimeaustralia%2Fpolice-courts%2Fcouncil-contender-drunk-drove-twice-in-two-weeks%2Fnews-story%2F70971c44f10e3b2d82f8e7d771d4c11c&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=HIGH-Segment-2-SCORE Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 22:37, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing for the party affiliations of local councillors

Do you have a source for the political affiliations for each and every candidate listed on Results of the 2023 Western Australian local elections? You need a source for each and every one of those, including the "Independent" candidates. Its not enough to just assume a candidate is "Independent" (a term not really even used in WA local government elections, but that's a different conversation) when there are no sources stating they are members of a political party. You have to have specific confirmation they are not a member of a party. For most candidates, I would assume there are no sources either way. Steelkamp (talk) 11:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi - I think under the circumstances it's not unreasonable to assume independent when the vast majority will be and to the best of any of our ability

Source for political affiliations at least where there is a party will be listed next to the title in each infobox (eg "2023 Western Australian local elections: Broome") Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 11:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

No, it is unreasonable to assume that. Councillors may very well be members of a political party without that being publicly known. Another issue which I alluded to above is that the term "Independent" is not used in local government in Western Australia (and possibly other states too). Councils here are apolitical, and your focus on political alignments is not a good thing, when councillors can vote however they want and are not generally backed by their political party. There sometimes can be factions on councils, but those factions are often not along party lines and can involve councillors from different political parties. My own local council has one faction with Labor, Greens and apolitical councillors, and another faction with Labor, Liberal and apolitical councillors. Steelkamp (talk) 11:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

"Councils here are apolitical" are you hearing yourself? They are a tier of government, they are political - whether they are partisan or not is different

Noting that the Greens endorsed candidates and that other parties strongly and openly back their members who do run, it is not inappropriate to mention the political labels in an election infobox while also repeating, as I have done, that councils are supposedly more non-partisan than other states

Also please google "independent councillor" "wa" if you think the label isn't used in WA (it is!) Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 12:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

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Ways to improve 2015 Norfolk Island status referendum

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~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 05:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Should have been fixed now Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 05:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Graham Quirk

You deleted a lot of content in this edit with no justification in the edit summary. An accident that needs to be reverted? Kerry (talk) 09:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Apologies edit summary should've been provided - reasoning is that no Australian politician articles have "electoral performance" on their own pages unlike USA Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 09:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I presume that same content is available in the relevant Brisbane City Council election articles? My quick glance suggests it is. If so, that's probably OK. FWIW, while "notability" determines what subject matter can have its own article, article content merely has to be "relevant" to the topic, so deleting cited content which would be deemed "relevant" is generally not the right thing to do (you usually have to argue that it is contrary to policy in some way (e.g. "trivia") to delete it, or obtain consensus. Having been on-wiki for nearly 20 years, my observation is that similar content not being in a similar article isn't normally compelling as a rationale to delete the material, as it would prevent any innovation occurring, as something always happens for the first time in just one of a group of articles. But OTOH, having large slabs of content duplicated across articles creates maintenance issues (the risk of one article being updated but not the others consistently), which is an argument for not being overly repetitive and use "See Also" or inline wikilinks to point the reader at the article that holds the otherwise-duplicated content. Also, BCC is unlike many other local government councils due to its massive size (apparently it has a bigger budget than the State of Tasmania) which has led in some kind of general consensus in Wikipedia to a greater wilingness to have articles about BCC council members as their responsibilities are argued to be more comparable to state politicians (who all qualify for an article) than the average LGA councillor (who generally don't qualify for an article), so BCC-related content does not always get treated the same as other LGA councils. Nothing is ever simple in Wikipedia :-) but, as a general rule of thumb, don't delete large slabs of content without initiating a discussion on the Talk page or a WikiProject page where applicable, unless there is a clear precedent established. I'd be inclined to suggest that the best course of action here would be to add a See Also section (MOS:SEEALSO) to Quirk's artice which explicitly links to the election articles, with the annotation "For his electoral performance, see" list of applicable articles. That points the reader interested in electoral performance to the right place without the risks of duplication. Kerry (talk) 08:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Yep that makes sense - and yes, all the content that was there is on the BCC election pages linked throughout the Quirk article Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 08:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Norfolk Island election

Hello. With regards to this, the reason I changed it was to use a template that automatically calculates the totals, percentages etc. What is your objection to using it? I also wasn't sure why you removed the pp from the infobox?

You also reinserted a couple of errors to the results table, as the swing for Maureen King was wrong, as is the turnout (as it doesn't include informal votes, which the source doesn't give a figure for). Plus I think it's misleading to give swing figures for new candidates – they should be marked out as new (as they were in the table I added). Cheers, Number 57 21:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi - please don't take this as me being rude or gatekeeping as I'm not sure if you're overly active on Australian elections, but every single Australian election box - including for territories - does not used the "New" for new candidates, it just uses the swing. The election box style it was changed to is also never used for Aus elections Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 21:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I would imagine this is because {{Election results}} is relatively new. However, is "this is how we've always done things" a good reason not to make improvements? Cheers, Number 57 21:46, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Not necessarily, but I think if you want to open discussion on Aus politics Wikipedia about a different template go right ahead and we can have that discussion, but it would be very inconsistent to use that template on just a handful of the literally tens of thousands of uses of the current template Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 21:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

OK, will consider that, although my experience is that English-speaking politics WPs are particularly bad when it comes to resistance to change...

Separately, if historic Norfolk Island elections are of interest, I spent several months reading through all issues of Pacific Islands Monthly from the 1930s to early 1990s, and bookmarked numerous articles on Norfolk elections and referendums for future use, which are listed at User:Number 57/Norfolk Island. Cheers, Number 57 12:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Mackay Region - there are no parties involved?

If a person stands for election in local government and does not give a party affiliation to the ECQ, then they are independents and [1] does not show any party affiliation for those elected in Mackay compared with [2] which shows parties for many of those standing in Brisbane Brisbane. No idea about other statets but ECQ does not use terms like Independent Labor nor Team Whatever. Maybe it's ok to mention the teams provided it's made clear that these are NOT political parties, just alliances of candidates that share similar (and usually apolitical) goals , e.g. "lower rates and a new council swimming pool". To say "Team Such And Such" without saying anything about what their goals are is pretty pointless. Please remove these inappropriate party affilations. Kerry (talk) 00:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I've added some info re Greg Williamson to try and add some actual info - I know the ECQ does use the "Team Greg Williamson" stuff for elections as a candidate group (see: https://www.ecq.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/64200/Team-Greg-Williamson_Redacted.pdf) and the group name is also used in local media effectively representing them as a party-type group (see here: https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/mackay/community/mackay-council-mural-vote-divides-oncestrong-alliance/news-story/e1b44c585f332e71767c98b8591f42a8)

Independent Labor just used as shorthand for "Independent but declared Labor member" Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 01:45, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Good to see the info on Team Greg Williamson. But the party membership of some councillors is irrelevant to their participation in the council, which is the topic being discussed in this article. They might be Catholics or Bronco supporters but we'd hardly group them as Independent Catholics or Independent Bronco supporters. The column heading says "Party" and all of them were elected as independents, so to write anything other than Independent is misleading and I think will imply to some readers that they are pursuing an agenda associated with that party in some way. The ECQ results (the most reliable source) lists them as not having a party affiliation and we should stick with the source. Now if this was an article about the person, then by all means say something about party membership, but it would still be necessary to make clear that they were an independent in the council. Maybe if their party membership resulted in them doing something in their role in council that was a conflict of interest or somehow dubious (e.g. having all political advertising by other parties during a state election pulled down), it would be worth discussing. Also the table in the infobox with Political Groupings needs to go for the same reason as there is no basis for assuming 6 of the Independents work together as a group and therefore constitute a majority in the council. Nor is there a reason to think the 2 "independent labour" council memmbers are in cahoots etc. There is no requirement to use sections or fields of an infobox if they are inappropriate or could be misleading. Infobox fields are intended for basic facts that don't require a lot of careful interpretation. When a situation is more complex, it is always better to explain at length in the article body and omit the information content. Since the table of councillors should show all of them as independents, we don't need that section in the infobox. Kerry (talk) 06:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I've cleaned up the infobox - I should note, that groupings section wasn't added by me Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 06:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have checked more carefully. Kerry (talk) 06:31, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Nah all good, no big deal at all! Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 06:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Electoral division of Tennant Creek

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This is likely to be a permanent stub, and will to tough to reference for other than the one reference you have. I wonder whether it might be better to merge to a History section in what I suppose is the closest modern fit: Electoral division of Barkly.

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By now...

You should have a handle on talk pages on articles and categories that you create?

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I see that you've made a few more by-election splits, at least some of which I've also reversed. Note that if an excerpt is (almost) the content of the entire new page, that suggests the new page isn't needed - it isn't helpful for readers to see the same content in two place - that is, at Electoral results for the district of Hawthorn#1939 by-election and at a stand-alone 1939 Hawthorn state by-election. Klbrain (talk) 18:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

FWIW I've started a discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_politics#Victorian_state_by-elections_-_keep_or_remove? Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Was agreed to in the discussion but now that you mention it, I wouldn't be opposed to changing it to remove that

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