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Goetz/Ziegler

If you actualy read the article, you will see why "correcting" to Goetz is wholly wrong, though you have now helpfully spotted a typo (Ziegler/Zeigler). If you just mechanically follow a system without seeing the consequences in context, it can lead to pointless or unconstructive edits. And, by the way, the general guideline is that redirects should not be "corrected". It just adds utterly pointless layers of coding to articles. I simply cannot see how this is helpful. The "hidden" text is especially absurd. Are you going to add similar hidden commebnts about their real name to every mention of Baby Face Nelson and Lewis Carroll? Paul B (talk) 19:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I seem to have offended you; I apologise if this is the case - it was not my intention. Let me explain what led me to make the edits I did Prior to my editing, the article Kidnapping of Edward Bremer linked to George Zeigler (Z-E-I) which, as you've noted above is a mis-spelling. Normally, I would simply have corrected it to George Ziegler (Z-I-E), but this is a disambiguation page. I wasn't convinced that Goetz should be the primary topic for the title (he's an interesting character, but this is after an an alias of his), so I opted to leave the disambig page as it was. Options to correct the mis-spelling were therefore:

• [[Fred Goetz]] - the simplest option (you reverted this one)
• [[Fred Goetz|George Ziegler]] - clean, but confusing for editors not familiar with the topic
• [[Fred Goetz]] (alias George Ziegler) - explains the two names in context, but messier. Had the link not been in a leading paragraph where conciseness is preferred, I'd've gone for this.
• [[Fred Goetz|George Ziegler<!--alias used by Fred Goetz in this context-->]] - clean and simple for the reader, messier for the editor but explains why one name is linked directly to another - this was the change I put in after you reverted my initial edit.
• [[George Ziegler (mobster)|George Ziegler]] - I nearly went down this route ( creating a new redirect) as it would have allowed me to improve the slightly odd flow of the George Ziegler disambiguation page also.

Now, if you're not keen on the second edit I've made to fix the mis-spelling, you're very welcome to pick another option or implement your own fix. I would ask that you don't add the incorrect Z-E-I spelling back in again - it does appear this way in a few sources, but all appear to be accidental. Hope this helps. - TB (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Cedar Keys

I was definitely wrong about this being a misspelling. However, it seems to be an old name for the current city: [1] Do you have more information about this? Did the plural town cover more area than the singular city? --NE2 17:48, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Not much more info, sorry. If I had to guess, I'd say it's a case of lazy naming; the only large prominent island in the group was named "Cedar Key" and the plural used to refer to it and it's surrounding group of smaller islands. The city has initially been named for the large island before acquiring its own unique title. There probably is a primary source out there somewhere, but even the language in which it was named is unclear - could be a French or English, or possibly even Spanish or Portuguese. Far beyond my area of expertise. - TB (talk) 21:02, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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Cheers, didn't know that. - TB (talk) 14:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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WP:WANTED

Hello Topbanana, this list is generated by a bot? I'm interested on its use on pt wiki. Rodrigolopes (talk) 14:53, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not a bot, I have a set of scripts I run on tool labs that generates most of what's needed to repopulate the most wanted list. I'll start a run against the Portuguese-language Wikipedia now and post some results for you in a few hours. - TB (talk) 15:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

This is absolutely great. thanks Rodrigolopes (talk) 15:57, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I have put your list of most wanted links at pt:Usuário:Rodrigolopes/mostwanted. You can also find a few thousand automatically generated suggestions for correcting red links in the Red Link Recovery Live tool. Have fun. - TB (talk) 18:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

In first place thank you so much for the attention. I think that can be very usefull to me. One last help, the replace button is not working on pt wiki. Rodrigolopes (talk) 19:39, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. I've tested the 'AUTOFIX' links and they are working for me. I see you've changed pt:Usuário:Rodrigolopes/vector.js and pt:Usuário:Rodrigolopes/common.js a few times - what you have now looks correct. Did you bypass your browser cache for both pages (CTRL+F5) ? - TB (talk) 19:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Using to create a redirect is ok, but when using to replace does not work. Rodrigolopes (talk) 00:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

The buttons Find and Replace appears on the text, but clicking on it nothing happens. Rodrigolopes (talk) 00:57, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Odd, very odd. Does this AUTOFIX link show up for you like below? File:RLRL ex.png

Yes, and when i click on Replace the message "Finished; 1 items were replaced." is there, but when i save, no change happens. Rodrigolopes (talk) 10:58, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Most strange - it works for me. I wonder if the difference is between the Portugese and English language Wikipediae, or between our accounts. Can you try this AUTOFIX link (on the English Wiki) to see if it behaves the same for you please. - TB (talk) 12:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Works fine to me here see it. After many attempts, one time it works, but the replacement was wrong. And after that nothing happens again. Rodrigolopes (talk) 13:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Take a look how it works for me. Rodrigolopes (talk) 17:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I think the problem is due to the 'WikEd' gadget and the RLRL scripts working against each other. Can I ask you to temporarily turn off the WikEd gadget on your ptwiki account (Preferences->Gadgets and untick 'WikEd' in the Editing section) and try a few AUTOFIX'es to see if they behave properly then please? Cheers. - TB (talk) 20:25, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

That's it, works perfectly. Thank you for the patience and i hope don't disturb you for a looong time. My best regards. Rodrigolopes (talk) 22:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem at all - in fact I prefer it when people let me know that something's not working. I will update the RLRL tools to make them work with the alternate 'WikEd' editor, but it may be a few weeks until I get a chance to do so. Please shout if I can do anything else for you or ptwiki. - TB (talk) 07:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello TB, here I am again. I have a suggestion about RLRL (and don't know if is possible), in this cases, maybe a buttom AUTOFIX ALL could be usefull. By the way, Check a specific page and MULTFIX are not working in pt version. thank you Rodrigolopes (talk) 01:25, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

The broken 'MULTIFIX' and 'check a specific page' are now working for ptwiki. I agree it would be nice to fix multiple red links in one edit, but have never found a way of doing this that is nice to use yet still encourages careful editing. Until then, do be sure to use the 'check a specific page' function to search for articles matching entries on your most wanted list - this link should do it for you. - TB (talk) 09:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Spelling correction on Right Sector

I’d like to acknowledge that my revert to your helpful correction at Right Sector should be interpreted as an error on my part, not yours. --Dervorguilla (talk) 11:45, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem, cheers - TB (talk) 13:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Link repair

Hi, regarding edits like this - how does that fall within WP:RLR? Neither were redlinks. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm trying to train a new system to predict common mis-spellings of article titles; this would be of great use in suggesting potential matches for red links. I had hoped to use redirects marked with the {{R from misspellings}} template as training data but there's not much consistency or logic behind the template's current use. So, I'm trying to clean these up by hand to move things forwards - so far I've checked 3000 of them, 2000 more or so to go ;) - TB (talk) 17:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Not all admins are active

About that box on your userpage.. wouldn't it be more accurate to say, "... and of those 1,402 (0.01%) administrators, only 612 are active (as per WP:List of administrators)" Which would raise the number to one administrator for each 213 'active' users. -- œ^™ 04:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Stub Sorting reports

It would be nice if you could update Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Uncatted stubs and Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stubs catted via redirects - both of these arhave been updated last in December. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/missing stubs - not updated since 2012. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

All done. Enjoy. - TB (talk) 20:48, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. One more thing: Next time you do it, please make sure that stub tags with equal signs get escaped properly (<nowiki<{{stub=tag-name}}</nowiki>, not {{tl|stub=tag-name}}. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing; this is normally handled automatically by my editing tools, but you caught me on my holidays. It seems my mobile phone's just no good at copying and pasting utf8 and html. I'll regenerate the reports again from my normal system in a couple of weeks time for you. - TB (talk) 11:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

By the way, keep in mind (for Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Uncatted stubs) that transclusions of redirects are also counted as transclusions of the redirectr target; counting each separately means thst you end up counting them twice. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Update most wanted pages

Hello topbanana,

I'm gerardduenas from the Catalan Wikipedia. We were wondering whether there was a way to get the Most wanted pages content in order to modify it or filter some of the pages. Due to my lack of programming skills (I only know a bit of python) I've been searching for scripts in media wiki and other places until I got to the English Wikipedia most wanted articles project. Beland told me that his scripts were too outdated to continue working and that you might have an updated script.

Thank you in advance,

Gerardduenas (talk) 10:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

The tools I use to generate the most wanted articles lists are part of the Red Link Recovery project. I have enabled the Red Link Recovery Live tool for the Catalan Wikipedia and extracted the 500 'most wanted' red links from it for you at ca:Usuari:Gerardduenas/MWA. - TB (talk) 16:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Just another little question, how did you extract the list? --Gerardduenas (talk) 20:15, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I've pulled the relevant parts of the script together for you below.

-- Find all redlinks
CREATE TABLE pageredlinks (
  prl_from int(8) unsigned NOT NULL DEFAULT '0',
  prl_namespace int(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT '0',
  prl_title varbinary(255) NOT NULL DEFAULT '',
  UNIQUE KEY pl_from (prl_from,prl_namespace,prl_title),
  KEY prl_namespace (prl_namespace,prl_title)
)

REPLACE INTO pageredlinks ( prl_from, prl_namespace, prl_title )
SELECT l.pl_from, l.pl_namespace, l.pl_title
FROM cawiki_p.pagelinks l
INNER JOIN cawiki_p.page f ON f.page_id = l.pl_from
LEFT OUTER JOIN cawiki_p.page t ON t.page_namespace = l.pl_namespace AND t.page_title = l.pl_title
WHERE f.page_namespace IN ( 0, 10 )
AND  t.page_id IS NULL;

-- Find those with a significant number of sources
CREATE TABLE mwa AS
SELECT prl_namespace, prl_title, count(*) AS 'c'
FROM pageredlinks
WHERE prl_namespace = 0
GROUP BY prl_namespace, prl_title
HAVING count(*) > 10;

-- Define a function to estimate the 'wantedness' of each of these
DELIMITER //

DROP FUNCTION IF EXISTS wantedness //

CREATE FUNCTION wantedness( namespace INT, title VARCHAR(255) )
  RETURNS INT
  READS SQL DATA
  NOT DETERMINISTIC
BEGIN  
   DECLARE done INT DEFAULT FALSE;
   DECLARE w, pns, t INT;
   DECLARE ptit VARCHAR(255);
   DECLARE links CURSOR FOR
      SELECT page_namespace, page_title
      FROM cawiki_p.pagelinks
      INNER JOIN cawiki_p.page ON pl_from = page_id
      WHERE pl_namespace = namespace
      AND   pl_title = title;
   DECLARE CONTINUE HANDLER FOR NOT FOUND SET done = TRUE;

   SET w = 0;

   OPEN links;
   read_loop: LOOP
   
      FETCH links INTO pns, ptit;
      IF done THEN
         LEAVE read_loop;
      END IF;
      
      -- Count one for any link in namespace 0
      IF pns = 0 THEN
        SET w = w + 1;
      END IF;

      -- For each linked page, check how many times is has been transcluded into namespace 0
      SELECT count(*)
      INTO t
      FROM cawiki_p.templatelinks
      INNER JOIN cawiki_p.page ON tl_from = page_id
      WHERE page_namespace = 0
      AND  tl_namespace = pns
      AND  tl_title = ptit;
      
      SET w = w - t;
      
   END LOOP;
   CLOSE links;
  
   RETURN w;
END;   
//

DELIMITER ;

-- Update the mwa table
UPDATE mwa SET c = wantedness( prl_namespace, prl_title );

-- Pick out the those most wanted
SELECT concat( '*[[', prl_title, ']] - ', c, ' links' )
FROM mwa
ORDER BY c DESC
LIMIT 500;

Thank you for everything! --Gerardduenas (talk) 05:43, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

You are the Top banana at fixing red links. Thank you for correcting the Dishwashing liquid article. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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User:Magneil Max

Read my userpage, User:Magneil Max Magneil Max (talk) 17:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

For correcting links, on fast written chemistry prose. Your work is much appreciated. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 22:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Compound adjectives

Hi Topbanana. I observed you, or a bot you are associated with, made a large number of edits to spaceflight-releated articles (a number of which appear on my Talk page) approximately 22:50 UTC on 10 December 2014.

Your change was to modify "Low-Earth orbit" to "Low Earth orbit"; here is one example from a comment in the History: " 22:54:27 . . (0)‎ . . ‎Topbanana (talk | contribs)‎ (Link repair: Low-Earth orbit -> Low Earth orbit "

I believe that is incorrect. I believe WP:MOS supports the use of hyphens in compound adjectives.

A hyphen in a compound adjective helps the reader understand more clearly what the modifier is, and I think they should be left. Whatdayathink? Cheers. N2e (talk) 05:54, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Howdy. Personally, I like hyphenated compound adjectives but here it doesn't clarify things. The term doesn't refer to an "orbit of low-Earth", but rather a "Low-orbit of Earth" (or I suppose a "low Earth-orbit" where the body being orbited is not clear from context). Currently Low-Earth orbit is marked up as a mis-spelling of Low Earth orbit. I'll hold off changing any more links for a few weeks and watch Talk:Low-Earth orbit for any discussion on the correct use there. Cheers - TB (talk) 13:10, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. That'll be great. And I'll get over there and have some discussion. In the meantime, as someone who has worked in the development of spaceflight technology, and managed technical professionals who include an orbital mechanicist, I can say that there are many types of orbits, and "low-Earth" is one of those particular types: the compound adjective modifies the set of all types of orbits to be one of the (many) in the subset of low-Earth orbit.

Will continue discussion over where you said; probably within a few days as I'm slammed today. Thanks again for your openness to the dialogue. Cheers. N2e (talk) 15:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. I'm not uninterested in the topic..., I've just never gotten it done. And got even more slammed after the first of the year that I'm almost on Wikibreak compared to my old wiki-pace. I can't do anything just now, but you may feel free to bug me with no foul, as the topic is worth getting right. Cheers. N2e (talk) 04:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Akash

Hello Topbanana, I adjusted the PC level from 2 to 1 on this redirect. PC2 does not enjoy community consensus and is normally only applied for special IAR or AE reasons. If you have an IAR or AE reason, please revert this without further consultation. As this page is a redirect I recommend a normal protection mechanism instead of Pending Changes protection if it is having an issue. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Please rebuild reports

Please rebuild these reports:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Uncatted stubs
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stubs catted via redirects

Dawynn (talk) 13:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Done. - TB (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of William A. Brown

The article William A. Brown has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Flagged with unref in 2012 with no action since then. No dates, no cites, only one sentence, and not able to find information on him that migt improve the article

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Agree, this should probably be deleted. It was added to disambiguate the similarly named diplomat, William Andreas Brown. While I was able to confirm that they're not the same person (the dates, jobs and locale made it feasible that they were), I could not find much on the Bishop either other than that he exists and that, by virtue of his position, is/was probably notable. - TB (talk) 16:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Re-write report request

Could you re-produce the two reports as defined in Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals/Lists of pages/Chembox templates transclusion count? Old page can be overwritten. -DePiep (talk) 22:22, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Done. - TB (talk) 22:30, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Jury Trial - help

I saw your revert at Jury Trial. The editor, Gerrytlloyd is adding the same material in seven different articles. Started out as highly POV with no refs, then refs that didn't mention what was being sourced and now information so watered down, it doesn't look too belong in the article. I'm getting to involved in this and could use some neutral eyes. Bgwhite (talk) 07:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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Forty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of India listed at Redirects for discussion

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Please Don't Chang These Edits Thank You.

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Continuing issue with East Coast hip hop

Hi Topbanana! You recently semi-protected East Coast hip hop due to serial abuse from an IP-user. That protection expired two days ago and someone from that same IP block is reverting (my) edits on the article. I'm still learning about managing these sorts of situations, but I'd love it if you can take a look and advise how I should proceed here. (The revert in question is 17:52, 6 May 2015‎, but I plan on making a few more edits, which might also be reverted). Many thanks for help and guidance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by J D (talk • contribs)

update: I made the change again and asked the user to provide a reference on the IP address's talk page. So far it's stuck. J D (talk) 23:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Howdy. Firstly, good job patrolling this article - it's a topic prone to opinion, he addition of unnotable artists and outright personal research. It will probably always take a bit of time and effort to maintain. The large block of text/rant being added by the IP editor has also been copied to other Wikipedia articles and posted on several other web sites and forums. I don't believe he/she is interested in merging their material into Wiki articles in a useful manner; rather they're publishing their personal manifesto to as wide an audience as possible. The best we can probably do is what's already being done - that is, watching for and reverting the addition of 'the rant', protecting articles that are the particular subject of his/her attention (although doing so blocks millions of potential useful editors from contributing) and ultimately removing their editing rights by the use of an IP block if they become an irredeemable pest.

I'll keep an eye on the article (and editor) for now and re-protect if your attempts to communicate lead nowhere. Cheers. - TB (talk) 08:13, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Ake: the Years of Childhood

FYI... you created a redirect to itself. Bgwhite (talk) 05:46, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Eeek! Silly me - all fixed now. Thanks for letting me know. - TB (talk) 08:12, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hohe Meißner

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Gadget: Invention, Travel, & Adventure

Can you please delete Talk:Gadget: Invention, Travel, & Adventure? It is no longer valid after the Gadget namespace has been created. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 20:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I can find no such page; looks like somebody has already fixed this. - TB (talk) 16:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:User labs

I've changed the template to display a link to the Wikimedia labs user page. Yours seems to be under a different name, so please supply the template with a labsname parameter to fix the link. See the template's documentation for help. Urhixidur (talk) 15:17, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, I found you on Wikimedia labs. :-) Urhixidur (talk) 15:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Plural wikilinks to redirects

This is a minor matter, but have you considered WP:NOTBROKEN and MOS:PIPE when read together? It seems to me your edit here may not conform with the advice given in those sections. In my view, since the redirect is not broken and the plural is not a piped link, there is no reason to change [[opéra-ballets]] to [[opéra-ballet]]s, in particular since the latter is more difficult to read in the edit window. Or perhaps there is someplace else in MOS, that I have missed, which says otherwise. --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:54, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Howdy Robert. I took opéra-ballet to be a French collective noun which should not be pluralised. The redirect opéra-ballets has been marked as a misspelling (by User:Robertgreer) I believe to reflect this. Then, my French leaves a lot to be desired - if I've goofed, just fix it. - TB (talk) 08:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

If that's the case, then the spelling should be corrected, although Julie Sadie, the author of the source, uses it (she certainly knows French, but can makes errors just like any of us), but anyway suggesting to me that he composed more than one opéra ballet. Maybe it should be opéras-ballets, like opéras comiques, although with the former we're dealing with a double noun rather than a noun and an adjective, like the latter. Update: I checked Oxford Music Online, and two different articles give the plural as operas-ballets, one by James R. Anthony in Grove Music and another by Jane Bellingham in The Oxford Companion. I'll fix it. --Robert.Allen (talk) 22:10, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Good job. My own instinct would be to pluralise the term as opéras-ballet, effectively treating 'ballet' as an adjective (consider courts-martial or bateaux-grande), but there's not much evidence of this use. Your solution seems more widely acceptable - cheers. - TB (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Notifying users

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Pooja / Puja

Hi Topbanana, Not sure whether you got the ping (It works when it wants too!), There's a discussion here about Pooja & Puja being 2 different actresses altogether so your input would be much appreciated :), Cheers, –Davey2010^Talk 15:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding this: Pooja Joshi was moved to Puja Joshi and then some of the content from Puja Joshi was copied and pasted into Pooja Joshi.... I thought that meant that the attributions had been all messed up, and that's why I tagged the Pooja article for deletion, so that it could be created from scratch without any content copied from other articles. (I guess A10 was the wrong rationale, though. Sorry about that.) Of course, I could be completely wrong about this :-) --bonadea contributions talk 19:32, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Maria Isabel Rodriguez

You created a disambiguation page above. Problem is that this person María Isabel López Rodríguez would never be known as Rodríguez to a Spanish speaker, she is López. Maybe an English speaker would make that mistake so she should be left here? But if a Spanish speaker or anyone who knows Spanish were looking for her, they'd look under Lopez, and end up here Maria Isabel Lopez. If I knew how, I would make a disambiguation page for Lopez but I don't know how. Can you fix this? Thanks :) SusunW (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi SusunW. I quite agree with you - she wouldn't usually be referred to by her maternal name. The initial article at Maria Isabel Rodriguez (about the child singer María Isabel) was created by Alexanderlrs in 2005. In 2006 Urthogie noted (quite rightly) that María Isabel was a more sensible name for the article. Another article (on the same person) had been started at that title, so (s)he merged Alexanderlrs' work into and made Maria Isabel Rodriguez redirect to it. In 2010 I noticed that there were a number of other notable people with names close to Maria Isabel Rodriguez; none was an obvious primary topic so I changed the redirect into the disambiguation page that's there today.

All in all I would prefer to keep the entry for Maria Isabel on the disambiguation page; the history above shows that at least one person has not only looked for an article on her under her matronymic, but was moved to write an article on her there. Others might look under the same title again - even if just a small handful of people per year. Should the disambiguation page become too large or cluttered, I imagine she'd get weeded out along with other tenuous entries. - TB (talk) 15:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not saying move it, I'm saying, perhaps badly, that another disambiguation page is needed for Lopez since there are more than one and an additional "hat" might look cluttered. SusunW (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Red links and other stuff

Hi! I'm looking at this tool and start to like it very much :) Maybe you can set up it also for Latvian Wikipedia? For search suggestions we (lvwiki) most probaly would gather types of them by time, but some generic (weighted distance, redirect loops, deleted articles) looks fine. Hmm... also unlikely looks very nice :) Also one question. Would such redlinks (ok, now it's a bluelink) would be catched if there is such article? I'm just checking :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:15, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I have enabled the Red Link Recovery tool for the Latvian language Wikipedia and generated an initial set of 1300 suggestions for you - this'll take you to them. There does seem to be a replication problem with that particular database in tool labs, hopefully this won't prevent you from using the tool effectively. Alas the 'Unlikely Links' tool is set up for English only right now - most of the rules it uses to pick out unusual red links are language-specific and would not give sensible results in Latvian. For the [[[:lv:Monteskjē]] example you give, red links are checked against both article and redirect titles; a close match either would be picked up. If you are hoping to automatically match up 'full name' red links to 'surname only' article titles, I could try and generate a set of suggestions in RLRL for this. - TB (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions really looks fine. Monteskjē example - it will most probably generate too much false positives (surname only are a lot in disambig category), buit if it isn't taking too much resources/time from you, you could create such list at the tool or on-wiki (for example, here - feel free to put it in the redirect page and don't worry about format). Replication problem currently isn't a problem (for some time, when I do first part). I remember you and other WP:RLR people talking about marking some articles/titles as invalid - well, maybe some whitelist page at Wiki/tool? About unlikely will comment a little bit later. Anyway - thanks for the current help :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:00, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I posted a set of 2500 suggestions for lvwiki matching red links that look a bit like two-word names against titles very similar to their last word. Hope this is useful. - TB (talk) 21:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't seem very helpful, so you can disable it. I think I created some 3 redirects from looking through some few hundret suggestions. OK, about unlikely titles - yes, some are usefull only for enwikiEnglish, but most of them (repeated question marks, funny quotes, mismatched brackets etc.) would most probably work for all (or almost any) language. Also two notes:

• I think it would be helpful, if there would be some "sort" button. Most probably it is more important to fix those redlinks, which are used in many articles.
• if we fix all redlinks or at least the most part of them, leaving only false positives, do I need to get you in touch and ask to update suggestions? --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:40, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I have closed the 'Surnames' suggestion set on lvwiki - it's always worth trying these things, you never can tell what might work. As for unlikely suggestions, I'll try to get it set up for lvwiki some time this week. The sets of rules it uses (for enwiki) can be seen here - I'll copy them over as they are and we can remove/add/change rules to suit Latvian once we see how they behave. Sorting entries in the RLRL tool is computationally difficult - the only option available is 'likeliness', an internal metric estimating the quality of each suggestion. It may be easier and more useful to generate a new set of suggestions targeting those red links that appear on more than 5 (or 10 or 3) articles. Let me know when you need more suggestions generated; I'm always happy to do so. - TB (talk) 08:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it will be ok just to copy them as they are in English. And yes generate a new set of suggestions targeting those red links that appear on more than 5 (or 10 or 3) articles is better than my idea. I think 5 articles would be fine. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 08:21, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I've added two small sets of suggestions targeting red links that appear on 5 or more pages. There's something slightly odd going on with the character encoding on the Tool Labs database for lvwiki; once I work out what the problem is I'll add some more entries into each for you. - TB (talk) 10:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Good news - I've found and fixed the character encoding problem; there are now 200 or so more suggestions there for you. - TB (talk) 14:33, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

That's the "unlikely links" tool set up for the Latvian-language wiki now. You can find it here. Good luck. - TB (talk) 10:52, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Ha, didn't notice those two messages from you, but found out myself, that "unlikely links" are live. As I predicted, it looks nice. Need some upgrade.

1. "Trailing dots". "1000." and (ending with) "p.m.ē." (e.g., 1012. gads p.m.ē., 1010. gadi p.m.ē., 104 p.m.ē.) is OK (. in Latvian is somewhat equivalent to English st, nd, rd, th ordinal number)
2. You can disable "odd double letters" (those redlinks are OK; fixed some 3 typos) and "Non-Olympic years". Anyway - thanks! Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Done. A few things that look like Latvian ordinals are still showing up on tailing dots - lv:1132./1240., lv:12. pmē., lv:12. gadsimts p.m.ē., let me know if more changes are needed. I have removed double letters and Olympic years, but can easily add new rules for combinations of characters that are unusual in Latvian. Cheers. - TB (talk) 08:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, all those "12.", "1935.", "1999." (so regex probably is [0-9]{1,2,3,4}\.) are fine titles. "1218./1256." and "1260.-1267." are not OK - they should be kept. For p.m.ē. - if link ends with any of these - p.m.ē./p. m. ē./pmē./p.m.e./p. m. e./pme. - then link is OK. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 08:40, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Okay, try that now. -TB (talk) 11:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Now it looks better. But now I noticed, that there are some sports clubs (which ends with F.C./B.C./S.K.) and some organizations like "Atari, Inc." and "Brian Hart Ltd." which all are fine, too. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:48, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	It is time for a barnstar for you from Latvian Wikipedia community :) For help with red link recovery and for your patience! Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

SQL's again please

Could you rerun the two SQL's at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals/Lists of pages/Chembox templates transclusion count? No need to preserve any old data. No hurry. Thanks beforehand. -DePiep (talk) 21:57, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

All done. Apologies for the delay, you caught me having a few days off. Shout as and when it needs redone. Cheers. - TB (talk) 08:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, makes nice working with the complicated template. And apologies not accepted nor needed ;-) , I said 'no hurry'. -DePiep (talk) 09:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks much

Thanks very much for your helpful copy-edits at the new article I've created, at Roger Thatcher.

Much appreciated,

— Cirt (talk) 21:48, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Allegra Versace

..is this weeks TAFI article. Take a look.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:24, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

RLRL

Hi, about this message, can you please update this page too? Thanks. Rodrigolopes (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

No problem - done. TB (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi TB, one small detail that I noticed, when editing RLRL in ptwiki and using the MULTIFIX option in a page, this one open in Language:english by default and appears the error Page not found. If you fix that will be great. thanks. Rodrigolopes (talk) 00:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've tried but cannot reproduce this problem - it seems to work for me, but I may be using the tool in a different way from you. The next time you see the problem can you copy the URL the MULTIFIX link takes you to and post it here to help me track down the problem? Thanks. - TB (talk) 08:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I´ll do it next time. By the way, is possible translate the summary of the edit to portuguese? Link repair => Correção de ligação. You can help! => Ajude você também!. Last thing, can unlikely titles be used in wiki pt too? Thanks a lot again. Rodrigolopes (talk) 23:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Last last thing, I can help to translate all the RLRL to portuguese, if is possible. Rodrigolopes (talk) 20:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I have enabled Unlikely Links for the Portuguese-language wiki. Many of the patterns it checks for are designed for English-language wikis, but hopefully it'll be of some use. As for localised language, the easiest thing to do would be to copy the contents of User:Topbanana/RLRL_SR_Utility.js to your own userspace (perhaps pt:Usuário:Rodrigolopes/RLRL_SR_Utility.js) and change the relevant strings there. Be sure to edit pt:Usuário:Rodrigolopes/common.js to load your new page. - TB (talk) 21:07, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Works very well. thanks again. Rodrigolopes (talk) 21:56, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Periodic clean-up on Temperament page

From your old page protect at Temperament, I did some periodic clean-up and noticed that two citations are coming up as red ink errors. It might be an easy fix, such as deleting a special character in the refnames, though I couldn't quite spot it. Could you glance at the citation bibliography there to see if this is a quick fix? Cheers. Fountains-of-Paris (talk) 19:12, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

The reference 'Kagan' was being declared twice; I have renamed the second reference 'Kagan2' to resolve the problem. - TB (talk) 13:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

RLRL database public

Hi would it be possible to make the RLRL database public? It would require adding _p to the end of all of your databases (e.g. p50380g50491_rlrl_enwiki_p). — Dispenser 19:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey Dispenser. Checking the the RLRL databases for unsharable data and separating it out from that which should be publically available has been on my todo list for years now. I've been lazy about doing the work because I had no idea anyone anyone wanted what's in there. If you're after something in particular I'll happily grant access directly to you in the meantime; if it's general principle, I'll see about doing the necessary checks and making the change in the next few weeks. Cheers. - TB (talk) 18:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

The English-language RLRL database now resides at p50380g50491__rlrl_enwiki_p; it should be readable by you there. The databases for the other language/project combinations using the tool will be similarly migrated over the next few days. Cheers . - TB (talk) 09:44, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for making it available so quickly. I have using pageredlinks in my Dabfix tool (with a FULLTEXT index). Hopefully, I'll be able to improve enough to add to Dab solver. — Dispenser 00:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

I updated my FULLTEXT database and noticed a red link missing:

SELECT *
FROM p50380g50491__rlrl_enwiki_p.pageredlinks
WHERE prl_title="Pavel_Lukyanov";

Are you using MyISAM? That doesn't have transaction support, so you need to do RENAME TABLE data TO deleteme, newdata TO data; so data isn't corrupted if the server dies or users are reading incomplete data. — Dispenser 20:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Right now the table lists only entries in the pagelinks table from page_ids in namespace 0 for which the (ASCII) length of pl_title is 26 or more - titles much shorter than this contain insufficient entropy to drive the red link recovery process. Would like like the unabridged table made up ? - TB (talk) 13:34, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

No thanks. I wrote a replacement query that only takes 4 hours, fixed the Unicode issues (VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci), and updated Dabfix which now provides fantastic redlink name suggestions (without descriptions, but working on parsing redlink lists).

The speed of FULLTEXT index incredible. Try it out: SELECT REPLACE(rl_title_ft," ","_") AS rl_title FROM u2815__p.redlinks_enwiki_p WHERE MATCH (rl_title_ft) AGAINST ('+vIdEo +gAmE" IN BOOLEAN MODE). Regards, User:Dispenser 00:19, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Database analysis

I see you were once a member of the WP:WikiProject Database analysis project. Can you possibly shed any light on what happened to the project and why WP:DUSTY has effectively been discontinued? I've been trying to revive WP:WikiProject Abandoned Articles for a while now, and doing our job, something like Dusty is exactly what we would require. I've explored suggest bot, but from what I know, the developer hadn't gone that far yet, sadly. Thanks. Uamaol (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

A decade ago when Wikipedia was relatively new we had to use the downloadable Wikipedia databases to identify things like candidates for dusty articles. This was a relatively daunting task for newcomers, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Database analysis served to help people get started. Newer and friendlier ways of doing this sort of work have since been implemented; first the WP:Toolserver and more recently WP:Tool Labs. Both of these facilities came with their own supporting communities backed by paid Wikimedia staff, rendering the old Wikiproject obsolete.

As for WP:DUSTY itself, I can see that both it (and the associated Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Articles) seem to have run out of active members. Wikipedia:Database_reports/Forgotten_articles serves a similar although not identical purpose. If you are interested, I can try to generate an updated listing of dusty articles using the original criteria for you. - TB (talk) 10:35, 12 February 2016 (UTC)