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Nomination of Make Justice Work for deletion

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I've userfied this article to your userspace per the AFD.--v/r - TP 03:09, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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Make Justice Work is back?

Hi, I see the article is back, but I do not see any difference in the sourcing as compared to earlier in the year, when it was decided there wasn't sufficient sourcing to pass Wikipedia notability requirements. Will you be adding multiple independent reliable secondary sources showing significant coverage to the article? Thanks... Zad68 14:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, to be honest I don't think we had a very fair hearing the first time around. I added multiple highly reliable sources including the Wales probation service, financial times, guardian, and telegraph newspapers after the article was marked for userification, and I believe we met your requests but the article was userified anyway. More reports and citations will be added over the next few days but I do believe that if many of the other criminal justice organisations that do have uncited (see Howard League and Prison Reform Trust) wiki pages do deserve them then MJW is also notable enough as it operates in the same space and is having a detectable influence on current government policy.

OK, I have put a Notability tag on the article because an article that has undergone an AFD and the community consensus was to Userify should not be moved back to mainspace without significant changes to the sourcing. Go ahead and put the new sourcing in and if it's sufficient we can remove the Notability tag. I understand you personally feel the article meets Wikipedia requirements but in fact the community decided otherwise. Pointing to other articles, which may have their own problems, isn't really a strong argument, see WP:OCE. Your best path here is to provide the sourcing required. Thanks.... Zad68 15:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Could you be clearer on what you're looking for, MJW has had national media coverage as linked to in the article - it is cited in 24 BBC News articles and a similar number in the Guardian and Telegraph. It was my understanding the content of the FT article was what you were looking for, in so far as that links MJW research directly to the thinking of the Justice secretary.

My point regarding the other organisations was not 'if they exist, then we should', it was that other criminal justice organisations have not had to cite any sources to demonstrate their notability yet MJW's entry has been repeatedly questioned despite a plethora of primary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toomanyairmiles (talk • contribs)

Notability on Wikipedia requires significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable secondary sources. This standard applies to all articles. If there are other articles that don't meet this standard, eventually they too will get challenged and either the sourcing will be found and added to to the articles, or the articles will be deleted. I'm taking a quick look again at the sourcing in the article and I am still seeing the same problems that were raised at the AFD. The sources either are not independent (things published by MJW or instigated by a MJW supporter in a parliamentary session are not independent), or the coverage is not significant (brief in-passing mention is not sufficient), or the sources aren't quite reliable (opinion blogs are weak). Wikipedia is looking for something like: several full-length articles providing in-depth coverage of the MJW organization, printed as regular news articles carried in quality papers (Guardian) or news sources (BBC). Can you provide that? If so then the issue is solved. Zad68 19:53, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Guardian news piece solely concerned with MJW's work, this, from the BBC News, This from http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3540178.ece, another in http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/270521/Community-service-more-effective-, another BBC piece covering http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11112204 and Civitas reports, and finally a piece from the economist with MJW as it's focus. Will this be enough?

I guess I'm having trouble communicating Wikipedia's requirements here, sorry if I am being unclear. Let's go through the sources one by one:

• The Guardian piece only mentions MJW in passing, and does not describe the organization at all. It mentions a work product of the organization, the Community or Custody inquiry (CCI), but not the organization itself.
• The BBC piece describes a little bit about the committee set up by MJW to produce the CCI, but really not anything about the MJW organization itself. It is also not a regular news piece but appears to be a news blog. Better than a regular blog but not as good as as news article.
• The Times article "Court punishments are not effective, say victims of crime" appears to describe only the CCI work product.
• The Express article also only refers to the CCI work product of MJW but does not detail the organization.
• The BBC article "Cutting short jail sentences 'will not reduce crime'" gives one half of one sentence to describing the MJW organization.
• The Economist article describes the work product and not the MJW organization.

Is the trouble we're having here confusion about the scope of the article? The article is set up to be about the organization. The sources you keep pulling are about the CCI work product. There's probably a good case for an article about the CCI work product, but still not enough about the MJW organization itself. Consider changing the scope of what you want to write about here from the MJW organization itself to the CCI work product. Zad68 03:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Make Justice Work

The article Make Justice Work has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Result of AFD was to userfy pending more GNG citations after letting it have some time. Those have not been added, yet the article has been moved back into mainspace. It appears those additional citations have not materialized, and as such this fails WP:GNG.

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Nomination of Make Justice Work for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Make Justice Work (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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