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David Spence peer review 1 edit

Overall, the authors did have done a nice job in starting the page. They have included interesting information about David Spence and highlighted the important aspects of his career. I believe the authors did a good amount of research for the first draft, particularly in the chemistry details. The article might benefit from some more biographical information if it is available. The figures were informative, but could use some editing work. In general, the authors did a nice job presenting the life and accomplishments of a chemist who played a prominent role in U.S. history. Some moderate editing work is need, but nice job on the content and integrating biography, chemistry, and history into a cohesive and interesting article!

Content edit

Overall, the page looks good. It is readable and contains interesting and relevant information about David Spence. The length of each section is good and goes into a nice amount of detail with out being to technical or overwhelming. It is definitely readable by a non-expert. Each paragraph contains good and relevant information and adds to the overall content of the page.

The introductory section is pretty short, but I believe it is very good at immediately identifying who David Spence is and why he is important in the field of chemistry. It highlights the major achievements in his career. The one thing I might add is a brief explanation of exactly why the Charles Goodyear Medal is so important/prestigious. I would also suggest adding a citation at the end of the introduction and in the third paragraph of the Biography section for Spence winning the Charles Goodyear Medal. Here is a link from the ACS Rubber Division that lists all past recipients: http://www.rubber.org/uploads/276791389814615.pdf

Depending on how much biographical information you can find, you might consider splitting the biography section into two sections: 1) Early life and education; and 2) Professional career. This way you can highlight his early life and academic training separately from his professional accomplishments. The professional career section wouldn’t need to discuss the specific of his science in detail (you do that later), but would present his major career accomplishments. However, you would have to add enough content to each section to justify splitting up the biography.

In “Organic accelerators” I would try to include more information about exactly how Spence discovered p-aminodimethylaniline and exactly why it is a better accelerator. Also the formatting currently looks awkward with only one long line hanging out at the bottom of the paragraph. I imagine this will get fixed when editing the paragraph. Other than that, I believe the content is scientific content is relevant and interesting. The authors did a good job explaining what Spence accomplished and putting it in context of exactly why it was important, particularly through the lens of WWII. The content appears to be original and does not appear duplicative of other content on Wikipedia.

There are a few typos and awkward sentence structures throughout the page, particularly in the “Scientific career” section (e.g. “…improve the properties of lower quality rubber rubber.”) Make sure to proofread carefully as there are a number of missing or extra words in various sentences throughout. Some linking to other Wikipedia articles was done, but I would suggest adding more. Many of the compounds and terms used do have pages on Wikipedia, such as American Chemical Society, Charles Goodyear Medal, tensile strength, vulcanization, and even rubber. Also, make sure to link to pages that actually exist (“Parthenium argentarium” is currently a red link).

On a very minor, nit-picky note, Wikipedia style is to only capitalize the first work in section titles. So it would be “Development of guayule as a rubber alternative.”

Figures edit

I would say that the weakest point of the page is the figures. Overall, the content of all of the figures is excellent and compliments the text, but I believe they could use some formatting work. The reaction schemes need to be larger: I would suggest centering them (include |center| in the code) and scale them up to the larger and more easily read. The schemes are really interesting and important, and I think they should be highlighted in the middle of the page. Also, try to be consistent with both font and font size. Before uploading the images I would just make sure that the font size is consistent throughout the entire scheme. In the schemes under “Novel Vulcanization and Dyeing Processes” the arrows are too large relative to the compounds. Also, a few of them are not long enough. I would suggest just using one of the smaller arrow options in ChemDraw. In all of the schemes, make sure all the components are centered relative to each other and distributed appropriately. I would also suggest adding references to the captions in the schemes.

I am also confused by the scheme of the isoprene synthesis. Are i), ii), iii), etc. subsequent steps in the reaction? Or are all of those compounds being converted to the isoprene monomer? You mention 2,3-dimethylbut-1-en-3-o in the text, but make sure to highlight what exactly that is in the figure. Either some reworking or clarification in the caption of the scheme is needed.

References edit

The references might need a little work. Twelve new references were added and there is a wide range of source types. However, references 3 and 11 are the same and so should be combined into one. Also, in a few sentences that include a reference, you are missing the period at the end of the sentence and before the number (see 8 and 13, for example). The first reference 12 is also hanging out by itself in a strange place. I think there is probably an extra space at the end of the sentence. Also, the external links to the patents (refs. 8, 12, and 13) go to a page that can’t be found. Make sure to check the URL and the availability of the page you want to cite. I was not able to locate reference 7: do you have a doi or ISBN for it? However, the choice of references was generally varied and used non-journal sources that should be available to the public. That was a strong positive point in the research.

Overall presentation edit

Overall, I would say the article is very good and only need a few minor adjustments, particularly in the figures and schemes. The authors did a great job of explaining David Spence’s accomplishments both scientifically and culturally. It was easy to understand the importance of Spence’s work, and, importantly, I believe the chemistry details would be accessible to a non-expert. Some minor suggestions regarding organization were provided, but the major areas that need some editing are the figures/schemes and references. Most of the work that needs to be done is simple reformatting and resizing. A thorough proofread for grammar/spelling should also be done. Finally, the references need to be checked for accuracy. In general, an excellent start! RLM0518 (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

David Spence Peer Review 2 edit

Content edit

The introductory section is accessible for non-experts, but it is very brief (only 3 sentences). It could be expanded by give more detail for about the extracting of rubber from plants and the improvements to rubber processing. For example, they could mention his work with extracting rubber from Guayale, developing synthetic isoprene, and developing vulcanization and dying processes. The phrase “war effort” is too vague. They should specify World Wars I and II. It may be more effective to combine the introduction and biography.

The “biography” section provides interesting information about Spence’s career. If possible, adding a few sentences about his early life would be interesting (currently it begins with his PhD.) The “scientific career” section provides interesting information about Spence’s contributions to rubber chemistry. Dividing this into several sub-sections makes it easy to read. More information about vulcanization would improve this page. While there is extensive detail about accelerators, there is little description of the chemistry of vulcanization and why it improves rubber. There is a Wikipedia article on this topic, so a brief explanation and link to the article would be sufficient. The scheme depicting vulcanization in the last sub-section should be moved to the first section, because it explains the role of para-aminodimethylaniline. There are also several figures which contradict the text—this is discussed in more detail in the following section, but the authors should be careful that the structures they depict correspond to the compounds described in the text.

The article contains some links to other Wikipedia pages, but should include more. It should be linked to pages for the following, as well as any other concepts that have pages: rubber, American Chemical Society, Goodrich company, vulcanization, aniline, para-dimethylaniline, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Goodyear, Firestone, and azo dyes. The link for the Charles Goodyear Medal is given, but it should be provided the first time the medal is mentioned. The highlighted examples are appropriate. They are useful and informative without excessive detail. The content is not duplicative of other content on Wikipedia.

Figures edit

The figures are original. Most are from Chemdraw, and the image of the plant is from Wikimedia commons.

Most of the chemdraw figures are clear and helpful. Larger captions would be useful for the sulfur vulcanization scheme. Smaller arrows would also be better in the anaerobic scheme. The synthetic route for isoprene shows the synthesis of similar structure, but missing the methyl group and with different substitution. If the synthetic monomer is different from the naturally occurring repeat unit, this should be addressed in the text. The anaerobic vulcanization scheme should include a step for the formation of phenyl radicals and carbon dioxide, after the initial cleavage of the initiator, as described in lecture.

The structure of polyisoprene drawn in both vulcanization schemes does not show the correct repeat unit. Parentheses should be used to indicate the correct unit. Furthermore, the squiggly arrows in the schemes are also confusing—are they meant to indicate that the polymer could be cis or trans? According to the Wikipedia page on isoprene, natural rubber primarily consists of cis-polyisoprene, so it may be better to depict the polymer in this conformation. It would be helpful to add a figure showing the azo dyes mentioned in the dyeing section. Even a generic structure would be useful to illustrate this.

References edit

There are >10 references, from a wide variety of sources. References 3 and 11 are the same, so this should only be listed once.

Presentation edit

Overall, the layout and format are logical and clear. The figures are helpful in illustrating the chemistry described in the text. The format, especially the division into sub-topics, makes the article easy to follow. The scientific content is interesting and informative but not overly technical. The main flaws of the article are the many grammatical errors and typos, as well as general wordiness. These are listed below, although it is possible there are more I didn’t find. While most of the article sounds very professional, there are some places where wording should be changed. In addition to pointing out spelling and grammatical errors, I have tried to point out several overly wordy sentences and give examples of how they could be rewritten to be clearer and more concise.

General:

-Inconsistent spelling of Guayule/Gauyule

- It is not necessary to add commas after the phrase “such as”

- the article switches between referring to the subject as Dr. Spence and Dr. David Spence. I think it would be correct to give his full name and degree at the beginning, and then refer to him simply as Spence.

-Latin names of plants should be italicized

Typos and grammatical errors in each section:

--Organic accelerators section:

Units should be given as psi, not spelled out as pounds per square inch.

150$ per pound should be written $150/lb

“Even though these additives improved the strength and processibility of rubber, novel addition would shortly be discovered that vastly improved the processibility of the rubber, while preserving a desirable tensile strength greater then 2800psi.”--This sentence is not necessary—it provides very little scientific information and should be shortened and combined with following sentence.

--Development of Gauyule section:

"that the both the mass of the latex"—the “the” after “that” should be removed

--Synthetic production of isoprene:

commisioned should be commissioned

capitalize American

use the % symbol instead of writing “6 percent”

Missing words before “to supply”: Even though President Franklin D. Roosevelt at the time stockpiled roughly 1 million tons of rubber to supply an annual US consumption rate of 600 thousand tons of rubber.

Therefore a additional rubber supplies would need to be secured in order to avert the crisis of a rubber shortage..—a should be an

---capitalization, spelling and missing word errors: In order to quickly produce replace the dwindling national rubber supply, President Roosevelt COMMISSIONED the American rubber and petroleum industries to quickly design and implement A synthetic rubber replacement.

---subject/verb disagreement, and overly wordy sentence: The primary challenge to the production of synthetic rubber was to either synthetically produce the isoprene, or combine multiple monomers to produce a synthetic substitute for rubber that contained the desirable characteristics. Rewritten example: The goal of synthetic rubber production was to synthesize isoprene, or to synthesize polymers with the characteristics of rubber by combining multiple monomers.

This section contained many overly wordy sentences. I have given examples of how a few sentences could be re-written to be more concise, and I would recommend the authors edit the whole page to avoid unnecessary wordiness.

Rewording examples:

Original: Thus a rapid expansion of the petroleum and rubber industry ensued in order to secure a novel source of synthetic rubber to prevent this vulnerability in national security from becoming crippling in the upcoming war.

More concise: To avoid the vulnerability of a wartime rubber shortage, the petroleum and rubber industries rapidly expanded and explored novel sources of synthetic rubber.

Original: Dr. David Spence along with a numerous other rubber scientists, and their respective companies including; Goodyear, Firestone, Goodrich, and New Jersey Standard, joined together under a patent sharing agreement to solve the rubber shortage.

More concise: To solve the rubber shortage, Spence joined a patent sharing agreement with scientists from Goodyear, Firestone, Goodrich, and New Jersey Standard.

Original: In order to produce isoprene 2,3 dimethylbut-1-en-3-ol was reacted with glacial acetic acid at high temperatures and pressures in order to dehydrate the alcohol to form isoprene.

More concise: Isoprene was produced by dehydration of 2,3-dimethylbut-1-en-3-ol, using glacial acetic acid at high temperatures and pressure.

--Development of novel vulcanization section:

The first sentence sounds very awkward— would read better as “…Spence altered processes for vulcanization and application of colored dyes to rubber”

This sentence is missing an “is” and a period at the end “Prior to Dr. Spence's novel method to apply dyes the dyes were applied during the processing of rubber, however this method expensive and limiting, and limiting as few dyes could withstand the high temperatures and pressures of the vulcanization process”

This sentence seems to be missing its end: “By submerging the rubber products in an adsorbent bath of 2% amine dye, sodium hydrate, sodium chloride, and sulfuric acid.” 540f13gsi (talk) 13:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)540f13gsiReply

Instructor Comments edit

I suggest you take a look at other biography pages. For example, they often have a boxed image of the person on the right with the pertinent biographical information within the box. This feature would make a nice addition to your page. Did you try to find an image of David Spence that could be used? For example, the German Federal Archives released 100,000 photos on Wikimedia Commons - is David Spence among them? I agree with the peer reviewers on modifying your figures, particularly making them bigger. UMChemProfessor (talk) 02:33, 2 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Suggestions from ChemLibrarian edit

I agree with other reviewers that the life story part of the article can be enhanced more. A couple of pages may help you.

ChemLibrarian (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Response to Reviews edit

With specific regards to reviewer 1: The addition of a citation was made for Spence receiving a Charles Goodyear Medal. The amount of biography that can be obtained on Spence is very limited and the sources that could be found are repetitive of the others. Because of this, the biography section was left as a single unit. The organic accelerators section was edited to add more details generally, but the specific information mentioned was included to the best of our ability. Citations were also fixed and fully accounted for. Patent citations should be fixed.

With specific regards to reviewer 2: The intro was expanded slightly and reworded. The intro and the bio were not combined as his bio is not an intro to this article and should not be treated as such. Unfortunately, as with above, the bio could not be expanded further to include information about his earlier life as the information about him is limited to a few small articles that generally repeat the same information about his scientific career. However, it has now been appropriately linked. The image was not moved as it does not depict the aerobic vulcanization that was studied at the time. Links were added to topics on wikipedia.

Grammar and diction was overall fixed. The images were also improved overall for readability. Figures have been massively overhauled.

With respect to finding an image of Spence, we have tried exhaustively to find an image of him, however there are a few compounding factors: His name is not unique in his lifetime, the images are poorly documented as to which Spence it actually is. There is an image in C&EN archive that has him recieving his award, however in accordance with wikipedia guidlines, the image cannot be used as it is liscenced by the American Chemical Society and it does not appear to be in the public domain yet. Also, in the image it doesn't say which person he is and it is ambiguous who is the recipient.

The biography info box has been added to the page.

We would like to thank the reveiwers for their feedback and appreciate their input.

Tiraxxis (talk) 04:31, 14 March 2014 (UTC)Asimov1951 (talk) 15:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Previous Wiki Project Reviews edit

Peer Review

Overall, things looked pretty good. You clearly put a lot of work into your figures and you did a good job creating a new page from scratch. You were especially good about referencing other Wikipedia pages whenever appropriate. Biggest things to work on would be including some higher profile authors, fixing discrepancies in your figures, and referencing some non-journal articles. You did a really good job of clearly defining the different types of multicatalyst systems and explaining where synergistic catalysis fits into the picture. Once you make your examples a little more clear, you’ll have a really strong article!

Content

The introductory section does a good job of giving a basic and easy to understand overview of the topic. However, it may be a good idea to cite additional sources in this section. For example, how do you know how synergistic catalysis differs from other multicatalyst systems? It would be a good idea to cite this fact. The contents of each section are well worded and concise, but you may wish to put subheadings in the “examples” section. I believe you list two examples, but they blend together and it can be confusing when you switch from one to the next. Also, at first glance it seems your “examples” section has only one example in it, which doesn’t make much sense. You may also consider moving your “in Biology” section to a subsection in the “Examples” section. It seems like it may fit better there. You did a good job linking all of the more technical terms to other Wikipedia pages.

Your “in Biology” section implies that the only example of synergistic catalysis in biology is reactions using NADPH. I think NADPH is a fine example to highlight, but you may want to make it clear that there are many other examples. There are also some grammatical errors in this section that you may want to clean up for clarity. Perhaps a better wording of your sentence “They occur by.…. an activate hydride” would be “An example of synergistic catalysis in biology is the enzymatic activation of a small molecule followed by reduction with NADPH, which donates an activated hydride.” You may also want to make sure this example actually fits your definition of synergistic catalysis; it seems more like double activation since the same molecule is acted on by the enzyme and NADPH. Synergistic catalysis would have to involve one molecule interacting with the enzyme followed by a different molecule interacting with NADPH. The two molecules could then interact with each other.

Your first highlighted example seems to be a good one. It’s been cited 52 times and does a good job illustrating the topic. However, your second example is based on a rather new paper which has only been cited once. While it’s possible that the impact of this paper will go up with time, it seems you may have been wiser to use a more established paper from a more established author in the field. If a person were to only learn of one example of synergistic catalysis, is this really the best option? Also, you cite this paper (Enantio- and Diastereodivergent Dual Catalysis: α-Allylation of Branched Aldehydes) as Carreira et al. which seems inappropriate since Carreira is not the listed first author. You also cited the first example by the last listed author rather than the first (Ito et al.). I think in general you may want to include some better known papers in your page. The biggest name in the field seems to be Xu Qiang, but you haven’t included his review of synergistic catalysis from 2013 or any of his papers (one of which is the most cited paper on this topic with 113 citing references, according to Scifinder).

You seem to have picked a good topic that was under-represented on Wikipedia. I found no evidence of duplicative content.

Figures

Your figures are well made and do a good job of illustrating the concepts discussed in your text. The only issue I found is some discrepancy between your first and second pictures. They seem to describe the same concept, but you introduced the abbreviation “iPr” in the second figure for the isopropyl group. First of all, the superscripted “i" is somewhat difficult to read. Second, you should probably stay consistent with your abbreviations. The “iPr” was not used in the first figure. Also, you differ on the cyanide group. I think the error is in the first molecule where the CN connects at the N instead of the C. Everywhere else it seems to connect at the C.

References

You had all 8 references. However, it seemed that they all came from scientific journal sources. You may want to include some books or some more user friendly resources that would be more appropriate for a Wikipedia audience.

Biomedchemist (talk) 02:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

WIKIPEDIA PROJECT – PEER REVIEW

CONTENT/FIGURES

First off, this is a really cool topic and has a huge amount of potential value in synthesis! The intro is pretty good and summarizes the concept well. One suggestion; In the Anna Allen Chem Sci paper, there is a really good figure (Figure 1.) that outlines the synergistic catalysis really well. I am a much more visual person and that figure helped me to understand this concept much better. I feel molecular orbit descriptions are much more clear with a figure accompanying. Also maybe you could highlight a few of the applications/benefits in the intro.

In the background section, You have done a very good job of giving a big picture to the various types of catalysis. Toward the end you indicate there are some quenching issues involved with synergistic catalysis. Perhaps you could summarize a few of the approaches to avoiding this such as using a hard Lewis acid and a soft Lewis base. Also, this might be a good spot to show how biological systems avoid this issue via proximity effects etc…

The dihydrofolate reductase in the biology section is a good example, but it reads a little rough. I this that it would be a bit easier to read if it was connected back to the original concept of synergistic catalysis. For example, it states ‘They occur by a molecule binding to a protein as a substrate and becoming active and typically being reacted with NADPH which is essentially an activate hydride.’. Binding doesn’t necessarily indicate the substrate becomes ‘activated’, but rather it is the basic residue acting as the ‘catalyst’ that activates dihydrofolate. Also, biological synergistic catalysis does not always use NADPH, but is capable of using a variety of activated substrates.

The examples are very good choices that demonstrate the range of potential for synergistic catalysis. Maybe the insertion of subcategory headers prior to each example will help this section read a bit easier and keep them from running together? Nice work on the figures. They all look really clear and are easy to read. This section cites the journals as you would in a publication and I’m not sure if this is appropriate for Wikipedia, since the general public may not have access to these journals?

REFERENCES

The references used are all good and linked correctly. It doesn’t look like there are any sources that are non-journal. I don’t know how much you can find on synergistic catalysis that is a non-journal type publication but there are a few books out there such as “Mechanical Catalysis: Methods of Enzymatic, Homogeneous, and Heterogeneous” and other various catalysis textbooks.

OVERVIEW

Overall this is a great article! Really cool topic and the figures all look excellent! The citations, links and sections are all done nicely and work well. I know you already have a ton of figures well over what was required for the project, but like I stated above, a recreation of the Allen figure would really help with clarity in the intro. A little more info on the benefits, and current progress of this topic would be nice (just for curiosity sake).The use in biology section could use a little rewording and clarity. Other than that, well done! I know I listed a lot of things, but they are just some ideas I had while reading through the article. Overall, nice work on creating a new wiki page!

Zwickipedia (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Additional Comments

Excellent job on the site! It will make a great contribution to Wikipedia. The peer reviewers also did an excellent job and I have nothing to add. Great job!

UMChemProfessor (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Suggestions from ChemLibrarian (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC) edit

  1. Just a couple of suggestions for the images. I see your images are mostly in .jpeg. Actually, Wikipedia recommends "The basic choices are SVG for simple diagrams (especially those that need to be scaled), JPEG for photographic images, and PNG for everything else" as discussed on this page Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload. So, if you drew these diagrams in ChemDraw, it's better to save them as .png . If you are using other tools allowing saving as .svg, that would be the best.
  2. You might want to add captions to your images so that you can refer to them in the text.

Responses to Peer Reviews and Comments edit

First of all, thank you to all the reviewers for your constructive and thoughtful suggestions. In accordance with your feedbacks, we have made the following changes to our page:

1. Added subheading for each examples under “Examples” section

2. Moved “In Biology” under “Examples”

3. Changed citation to ‘First Author’ et al.

4. Changed all isopropyl group in the figures to ‘iPr’

5. Corrected cyanide group connection in the figure

6. Added figure to illustrate the molecular orbital description for the narrowing of HOMO-LUMO energy gap

7. Updated all figures to PNG format.

8. A textbook source was added as per the suggestion of the reviewers.

9. The sentence in the introduction pointed out by biomedchemist has been removed as it was both a duplicate with a sentence in the background and is explained in some more detail in background.

10. With regards to the comment of the In Biology section about NADPH in the reaction given, the section has been reworded to clarify the role of NADPH. As a whole the biology section has been reworded and clarified.


Nonetheless,

1. We decided to keep the example by Krautwald et al. Even though it’s a relatively new paper, we think the simultaneous control of two stereogenic center by using two catalysts demonstrated in the paper is rare. Not to mention the absolute selectivities are really impressive.

2. The review mentioned by the reviewer biomedchemist was not used as it is far too specific for the purposes of this article as a general overview of synergistic catalysts.

3. The paper suggested by biomedchemist will not be included in the article because it is too specific for the scope of this article which strives to generally show what synergetic catalysts are, and generally what they can achieve. The article recommended is a review of bimetallic nanoparticles and how the combinations of metals allows for synergistic catalysis of various reactions. While important, it would deserve its own article rather than a stub in this article. As a whole, that area of synergistic catalysis is markedly different from what is described herein.

4. The format of the citations was left as is as this is how Wikipedia templates it.

--Tiraxxis (talk) 04:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC) Tayrochemie (talk) 12:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)Reply