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I have removed the long lists of weblinks that you added to this article. WP is not a link farm or directory of links. Please see WP:CITE for help with creating references. – ukexpat (talk) 18:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I second this, please discuss before adding those links again:
This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you insert a spam link, as you did to International Christian Church, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Spammers may have their websites blacklisted as well, preventing their websites from appearing on Wikipedia. --Dirk Beetstra T C 19:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
How can I edit with out referencing? If that is not where you want the links to the references then where would you like them? Everytime I input data, it later gets erased. That's why I'm using so many references. It's not spam. If you read up on it, it's no different that all the references that other people use on this site. I see many negative references also. They should be balanced with positive references. Don't you agree?
- That is not referencing, that is listing every single webpage on the site. References are to reliable sources (see also the cite and footnotes guidelines). The links as you put them there are falling under the external links guideline and this and this part of 'what wikipedia is not'. I hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- I should add, (practically) all the sites are of the same owner, on the same server, that does not balance, it strongly suggests they are maintained by the same authority. --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Please explain more. I still don't understand. What better reference on Kip Mckean than from Kip Mckean himself and from websites and churches affiliated with him? I don't know about platforms and what not. But I will tell you that each website is run by different churches. The Eugene sets up websites for churches around the world and then each church is responsible for maintaining the website. So you have articles written from different sources. One article was writen Chris Broom, a leader in Chicago. Other's were written by Kip Mckean himself. Other's were writen by Andrew Smilie out of DC. Sure, I'm sure other's will add in other references to come. But for now, I need to at least reference what I input. Please tell me what to do next.
Also the reasoning behind so many references is to prove, despite what other's might say, what Kip Mckean believes about autonomy and why. I had at least 4-5 articles from Kip and others on this subject. Readers will want to know what the difference is between the two churches and that is why I need to reference it. The readers may not see the references if you don't like. However, the material being referenced needs not be tampered with, without reliable proof. And if you don't allow me to reference it, how will any one know whether it is legit or not.
By the way, thank you for letting me contribute. May I ask another question?
When you go to the links, did you get to do a word search for "autonomy" "Portland" and "Kip Mckean." This will speed things up for you since some articles are longer.
I have redirected this article to International Christian Church which is an existing article. Please do not create articles that are copies of, or deal with the same subject matter as, existing articles. Thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 22:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)