ThurnerRupert

Re: Speech synth

(following up on discussion on BilCat talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BilCat&diff=prev&oldid=1177862895, on the question about details about synthesizers, graham87 using jaws)

I use Eloquence. The English version works with the forms of gaps described in the Manual of Style on dates and numbers. Graham87 (talk) 02:11, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

very cool @Graham87: to see this! i looked at Decimal separator now. how happy is eloquence with the following numbers? this one is with gaps: 1234444.2451, this one with american style: 1,234,444.245,1, 3 further examples using international varieties: recent german, 1.234.444,245.1, arabic separators: 1٬234٬444.245٬1 (UTF-8 taken from here: https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+066C), old german handwriting: 1'234'444,245'1, using quote as the arabic separator is difficult to type, especially with currencies alo written with dot, 1'234'444.245'1 (this prevailed in switzerland, and many programming languages). modern programming languages like kotlin also allow 1_234_444.245_1. i never used long numbers after the comma, so wrote it the first time now with separators. ThurnerRupert (talk) 01:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

It's good with the first two (I'll assume the comma you put at the end of the second one was an accident), but not the others. That's as much testing as I want to do. Graham87 (talk) 03:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Graham87:, much appreciated! we covered all variants i could extract from the Decimal separator page, no more testing :) the comma at the end of the numbers was separating the three pieces of information in the sentence. i constructed the sentence so that the numbers were followed by commas to have feedback from your side how it turns out. did it read "one million two hundred thirtyfour thousand four hundred fourty four comma two four five one comma pause three further examples" in that case, or commas after numbers confuse the reading? a last question i d have as well. out of the two working for you, why you prefer the american style to gaps? ThurnerRupert (talk) 07:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

It read it the 1,234,444.245 bit normally then paused before reading the 1 and 3. I prefer what you call the American style because this is the English Wikipedia and it's used by the vast majority of English-speaking people (in the UK and most Commonwealth countries, except sometimes in South Africa). Graham87 (talk) 08:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@Graham87: aha i can understand your preference, but on the other hand i cannot understand. when it reads, you would not notice the difference i hope. is it the unpenetrable writing of gaps with the template braces, pipe characters? ThurnerRupert (talk) 08:48, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

So it turns out sometimes the val/gaps templates actually *do* fail with my screen reader/browser (see Template talk:Val#Screen reader problems with digits grouped by spaces in this template). And yes, I think markup should be simpler where possible. Graham87 (talk) 09:37, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

i tried now with Orca (assistive technology) on gnome linux. it can only read comma as thousands separator, and none of the internationals. English-speaking_world#English_as_a_global_language means that many people speak and write english, but use all kinds of localization, including number format. ThurnerRupert (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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