User talk:The JPS/archive5

I always welcome polite, constructive criticism and comments. New posts to the bottom, please.

If you're a vandal, do yourself some justice and put some thought into your insults. Simple obscenities show a simple mind.

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STV copyvios

I am not a lawyer, but no, I don't think that changing "I" to "he" is enough to avoid a copyvio. Regards Mr Stephen 17:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I see there's a similar case about that water company. The JPS^{talk to me} 21:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ontario clean water agency

Hi, I see you deleted the Ontario Clean Water Agency as a copyvio. Probably the right move ... but I thought the speedy delete was for copyright violations from a commercial content provider and that other violations such as content from a government site needed to go through the normal copyvio process. I was in the process of editing the talk page with both my analysis of the two versions (only 15 words out of 148 changed) and the feedback that it should probably go through the normal copyvio process. No big deal, I'm pretty sure it would have been deleted via the normal copyvio process anyway ... Brian 18:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)btball

Hmm, one more point, it looks from the logs that this is the third delete in just a few days. Maybe it needs to be protected? At least until some editor creates a non-copyvio version? I'll add a note on WikiWoo's talk page too about 10% difference likely to appear as a copyright violation to most readers. Thanks Brian 18:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)btball

Read tags

Please dont re add your dispute tag, if you read the fair use tag there is no fair use promo tag anymore. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 13:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The fair use tag is not a get out of jail free card. I am perfectly entitled to dispute the fair use status of the image, particulrly since the source is dodgy. I'm going to re-add it, and eventually a third party will assess it. I might also take it to PUI. The JPS^{talk to me} 13:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

How is the source dodgy, explain? Impolite, explain? My message was pretty self-explantory your claims can not be held up. Also pelase read the page, there is no promo claim. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 14:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Which fair use critieria do you feel this image satisfies? Because your rationale does not explicitly address the criteria. Your general tone was impolite (e.g. the directive "Read tags"). The JPS^{talk to me} 14:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Haha, and how else would you like me to put it? Matthew Fenton (contribs) 14:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing that dispute tag. It should only be removed by a third party. The JPS^{talk to me} 14:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[Inaccurate requests to source already sourced images removed: verified by third parties on AN/I] The JPS^{talk to me} 14:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tagging all your images

I followed the correct procedure, i tagged them & notified you. Feel free to report me but i have not done anything wrong. Also how is it WP:POINT, i saw one of your images lacked source so started checking the rest.. no point there. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 14:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

It is regrettable that you have chosen to turn this into a personal battle. All of my images are correctly sourced. The JPS^{talk to me} 14:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No they are not. Example:[1] some dont even have fairuse ratioanles. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 14:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct that I haven't added rationale to my earlier images. "Opening titles to Joking Apart" is the source. With the screenshot tag, the source is plainly the opening titles of the television show Joking Apart. The JPS^{talk to me} 14:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Source info states where you got it from! IE: Did you cap it your self? If the answer i yes, then you are the source so a summary would be: Source: Image taken by me (User:example) Matthew Fenton (contribs) 14:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. It is completely irrelevant who captured the file. The JPS^{talk to me} 14:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Fair use specificly this line:

The image or media description page must contain:

    * Proper attribution of the source of the material, and attribution of the copyright holder (if it is different) where possible.

Also, please by aware that i am sorry if you thought it was a retaliation that i tagged your images but i was not ;-) Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: charlotte morgan

Your probably best taking this image to IfD [2] as it has been superceeded by a new much better version. :-) Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

It's OK tagged as orphan -- it'll be deleted naturally in a week (prob the same as IFD). You're absolutely right that my images should have fair use rationales, and I'll strive to add them. There's loads of O.C. images without rationales tho'. The JPS^{talk to me} 15:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I personaly havent gone thru the images my self, but i would my self be willing to add fair use rationales and provide images for those without source info. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool -- well, my biggest concern is getting them sourced. Have you seen Wikipedia:Publicity photos? The promo tag has been misused so much, and the category is huge. I'm going through it and tagging unsourced images first. You can give me a hand, if you want: Category:Promotional images.

An example of what I would pick on is Image:OPPERA.jpg. There's no verifiable source information at all (see how the tag says that it is "known to come from a press kit"). It is this last point that I would challenge other images, but usually if nsd is removed. The JPS^{talk to me} 15:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I've just nominated there article for deletion as notability isnt justified in the article, [3] Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair use vios

Something you may be intrested in is the main page, sometimes fair use images are used on the main page some people use the templates on there userpages and thus the images get used on there pages. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 16:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: images

Okay, I have replaced the Sandy, Seth and Alex images. They are all sourced from images already here and have FURs and summarys. For the Kirsten image that one can be deleted as there was already an image of her here in use so that one has been replaced. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 17:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

All the screencaps now have FURs, I have also uploaded a new version of the Theresa picture and replaced a screencap. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 18:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Jeremy Clarkson Mislead

I made some changes to the Jeremy Clarkson page and you have undone them. Can you please explain why? My changes were far more accurate than the original misleading version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.120.69 (talk • contribs)

That sentence has been discussed several times over the last month and community consensus is to keep it. See the article's talk page. You can do what other anonymous users have done and write essays on my talk page, filled with abuse amd inaccurate guesses about my politics, but I will just laugh at them. The JPS^{talk to me} 14:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I wrote my sentence today. I don't see how it has been discussed several times in a month. Do you work for Wikipedia? I just looked at the "discussion" and it seemed that the community consensus was severly against you. Did you refer me to the right page? (inaccurate has two Cs.) So you have authority to say whatever you want and then "laugh at them"...(opposing comments)? Is that it? I thought that anyone could edit the articles. The article is wrong. The quotes are misquoted so that Jeremy doesn't look like a prat. Look at the real article and I'm sure you will see that there was nothing wrong with my statement. You seem very defensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.120.69 (talk • contribs)

thanks!

Just saying thanks for your welcome message, I enjoy Wikipedia a great deal, and hope to be able to add titbits here and there to help others. thanks again, fbt

You're welcome -- don't foget to sign your messages... you can use ~~~~. :) The JPS^{talk to me} 16:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

Just to let you know, and it may be something that you're already aware of, but you seem to have a... well... I don't know what the term for it is, really. An "edit stalker", perhaps? Anyway, JackRuby is their name, and here's their contributions, which as you can see consist of nothing more than reverting your edits and saying "reverting vandalism by TheJPS". Don't know if it's a new account from someone who's already got some beef with you or what, but they seem intent on making unnecessary edits to various British comedy-related articles, which brought them to my attention. Just thought I'd give you a heads-up. Seb Patrick 12:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, never mind. Just as I post that, I see that you've been dealing with them. Oh well! Seb Patrick 12:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I get them from time to time. Often kids who don't like me tagging their unsourced images for deletion. Cheers anyway. The JPS^{talk to me} 12:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Editor's Barnstar

The Editor's Barnstar I award The JPS this barnstar for his efforts in deleting thousands of pieces of unworthy content from Wikipedia.Blnguyen | rant-line 01:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

abc1uk.co.uk

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Hello please can I ask why you want it deleted, as I can see no reason why it should be as it is not in breach of anything. Is this just you being a spoil sport? as I can see no clear reason why it should be deleted. Please enlighten me why.

Yours

John Thackeray

jp@j-one.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.33.119 (talk • contribs)

My reasons for deletion is clear at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abc1uk.co.uk. It fails our notability guidelines. The JPS^{talk to me} 11:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

No I think your being silly, it does nothing to offend or nothing on copyright etc. Nothing is wrong with the article, why can you not just let it pass? or if you tell me what needs to be sorted out please tell me. I think you have way too much time on your hands just to be looking through articles and then moaning about them and then people who have used their own time to write articles then find that they are going to be deleted.

Yours

John Thackeray

jp@j-one.co.uk

There is to be an article on the website on the fresh website (www.j-one.co.uk) talking about the abc1uk.co.uk website, saying how it has helped uk viewers before the real site went online, how it gives more upto date info than the real site. If the site is backed by fresh and an article is shown on the fresh site, will the wikipedia article be valid?

Yours

John Thackeray

(jp@j-one.co.uk)

Nope. Take a look at WP:WEB. at present your article fails all three criteria. www.j-one.co.uk does not appear to be "independent of the site itself." See also note 4 on that page about self promotion. Many site owners want articles on Wikipedia simply to increase its visibility and increase Google ranks, rather than if it is of any encylopaedic value. The JPS^{talk to me} 16:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

STV.tv to be deleted

I've merged STV.tv in with STV. Will I now redirect STV.tv to STV?

GarryMc 16:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Josh Logan photo - it's legit - no need for warning

Please do not post warning about photos that are properly tagged. Publicity shots are completely legitimate for posting on Wikipedia, if they are tagged as such. (Please see wording of tag, below, that was used when first uploaded.) In addition, signed personal messages should not be left on the image description lines. Thank you. I understand it's the mission of some people to denude Wikipedia of all images, but there needs to be a limit to that zealousness. Thank you. - Nhprman ^List 15:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I may have been incorrect about the tagging of that image, However, my message was for the delteing admin and to ensure high visibility: I will continue that practise, than you. At the time of tagging it did not have a source. [4]. I've deleted your copy and paste of the text from the tag, becasue of clutter. Also, please link to the image in question when you are discussing it in talk pages, so I don't have to hunt for it: Image:HeadshotJoshLogan.jpg Also, there is good rationale for the image, addressing out fair use criteria. The JPS^{talk to me} 16:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

And since you focus upon the wording of the tag, exactly where is it verifiable that it "is known to come from a press kit or similar source". At the moment I see a blank screen from CBS, with a ToS prohibiting reproduction, and a third party site. Where is the evidence that this is from a press kit? The JPS^{talk to me} 16:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Question about possible copyvio

Hi, there. I was recently deleting copyvio on the episode summaries of scrubs episodes, and I came across My Choosiest Choice of All, an article you created (I originally mixed you up with another editor, sorry about that!). I just wanted to clarify that the content there is indeed original and made by yourself, as many other scrubs episode summaries were direect copyright violations from tv.com and scrubs-tv.com. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 20:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Well, I belive that in GF that it's original. There's only so many ways things can be said about something that isn't complex, and there will obviously be similarities between summaries, but it certainly isn't a cut and paste. This summary is shorter at tv.com, and I didn't actually know about the episode guide on scrubs-tv.com -- but I've just checked and that's much longer. So, to answer you're question, the article was as original, and is sufficiently different from the two sources you mention. I didn't realise the rest (which I had no hand in crating, but I probably made some frmt tweaks) were copyvios. Shame :( The JPS^{talk to me} 10:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, well it's a bit late now for me to respond it seems, but yes, thanks :D. Your user talk page drifted down my watchlist so I missed the reply. :) As to the copyright violation, I asked those who created articles that were not from tv.com or scrubs-tv.com, as I was not made away of scrubs-tv.com until after dealing with many tv.com articles, so I wanted to be definitevely sure that there were no more copyright issues and that there wasn't a third summary page I wasn't aware of. Cowman109^Talk 23:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

That's OK, cheers. I didn't feel too guilty about your RFA because it looks like you're pretty safe. :) The JPS^{talk to me} 23:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Adding the Prisoner characters

Hi, Thanks ALOT for correcting my entries for Vera, Jim and Jock and putting on the stubs. I am hoping to gradually add some more and really appreciate you assisting (so quickly too!!) with my first ever created pages. Cheers!!

Just as I posted this I got your message!! Yes they are all my own work. I had been reading an articvle for a fave character of mine MIKE KELLERMAN in a US cop show. I was extremely impressed with it as it was extremely thorough for a fictional creation and thought I would give a go at trying some for Prisoner characters myself, starting with my favourite Vera!! Yes, they are all my own contributions, mainly from memory, although exact episode numbers and years may require me to check sometimes.

Cool, cheers. I reckon it would be good to have an infobox with episode numbers. We should probably go slowly on creating the articles: we're better off creating longer articles than lots of stubs. The JPS^{talk to me} 16:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Lost episodes

User:Corn Man has been reverting non-stop again, please protect the pages to admin only. --TheM62Manchester 20:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen his edit summaries?? --TheM62Manchester 20:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone's already blocked him for a month for vandalism. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Shannon Hommerbocker

I noticed you removed a speedy delete tag off of the Shannon Hommerbocker article. Would you please just delete that all together? It has a protection template on it...but isn't protected. The protection template was added by User:TheM62Manchester who doesn't have the ability to protect articles. The article was deleted once as A7, so I don't see why it would need to be protected unless there's some controversy I'm missing. Metros232 22:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Gone. I was sure I sw it'd been recreated once before, but I've deleted so much crap tonight... The JPS^{talk to me} 22:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletedpage

Thanks for the advice!

TheM62Manchester has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

--TheM62Manchester 22:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Karl Farrer

No one is telling me what im doing wrong? The content i've left is correct and i don't think i've done anything wrong. It was a serious contribution. I know he must be a valid artist as many of his comrades are on there philip absolon, billy childish, wolf howard etc. I think i must have messed up somewhere?

Please see Wikipedia:Notability (people). Do you seriously think the articst meets these criteria? If his 'comrades' are similar, then they need to be deleted also. Thanks for listing them. The JPS^{talk to me} 23:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Quite simply yes i do. None of them are Turner Prize winners i agree but i think thats the point! None of them would put themselves up for it. Think artists with Punk beliefs

its benson20 by the way

Hehe. The specific guideline for artists is that their work "is widely recognized (for better or worse) and who are likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field." I don't think these mae the mark. Artists with punk beliefs sounds great, and interesting, so good luck to them. Unnotable punk bands (student bands, and the like) would also be deleted. P.S. You can sign your osts using ~~~~ The JPS^{talk to me} 09:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

His comrades have been exhibited widely, including museums and Liverpool Biennial. I have not heard of Farrer, however. Tyrenius 12:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked their pages and the others seem OK. The JPS^{talk to me} 12:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Jaws

Hi. I've been working on Jaws (film) extensively the past few days. I hope to get it to FA one day. I'm worried that the books in the references section need to be inline cited, but I don't own the books and I'm not going to buy them solely for Wikipedia. After looking through the edit history, I saw you were the one who put in the references section. Do you own these books, and if you do could you help cite some of the info here? Thanks. -Dark Kubrick 02:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Will do: I'll put it on my to do list. I have a signed copy of The Jaws Log from Gottlieb :) The JPS^{talk to me} 09:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Where did you get The Jaws Log signed? -Dark Kubrick 18:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I had a correspondance going with Gottlieb years ago, before the book was reprinted. He posted me a copy :) Very courteous polite man. The JPS^{talk to me} 19:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool. -Dark Kubrick 19:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Deleted page: Sully(AskSully.com)

Hello. I created a page today [Sully(AskSully.com)], and it was instantly marked for speedy deletion. I responded to to the tag and asked why the page was tagged, and what I could do to help prevent the page from ultimate deletion. Instead, the page was simply deleted and I was not contacted at all. I'm not learning anything from this. So, unless someone tips me off as to why the page was yanked, I'm bound to do it again. Everything I wrote was factual about an interesting website author who has a fanbase. What did I do wrong? Thank you. --Schmendrick 05:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. See WP:WEB. It has a set of criteria for inclusion into Wikipedia. The JPS^{talk to me} 09:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I have looked over your reference, and I assume your reasoning for pulling the site was because it appeared to be advertising? If so, WP:WEB states, "...'Wikipedia articles are not advertisements' is an official policy of long standing. Advertising is either cleaned up to adhere to the neutral point of view or deleted.[2]" I was never given the opportunity to clean-up this article, and no one stated what part of the article appeared to be non-neutral. May I please be given the opportunity to correct the article, rather than having the work obliterated? --Schmendrick 14:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Once again, you have deleted one of my pages without a tag (Ask Sully) or even giving me a chance to fix anything. Please consider being more friendly with your deletes and allowing people the opportunity to repair their work before you decide it should not exist. You are supposed to allow the author the chance to remedy the situation first, which you have consistantly not. I humbly and politely request that you restore both of my articles and tell me what needs to be changed in order to meet your expectations. Your current methods are unprofessional and unhelpful. Thank you. --Schmendrick 15:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Which of the criteria on WP:WEB do you think your article satisfies? The JPS^{talk to me} 15:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Page:Protectors of Chaos

I created a page called Protectors of Chaos, it was about my world of warcraft (an online game) guild. I see no reason why it was delted. Please email me at nwa1000@mac,com or alternativley contact me via msn messanger.

Hoping for you to reply.

alex

Hello. We have notability guidelines over topics we accept for articles. Please see Wikipedia:Notability. I'm fairly sure your online game doesn't meet our criteria. Best, The JPS^{talk to me} 13:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Warehouse (band)

Just wondering what your reasons were for deleting "Warehouse (Band)". There wasn't a detailed reason left. Thanks --Doyler 17:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Please see WP:MUSIC. The band fails those criteria. The JPS^{talk to me} 17:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

MA komiks

I was just writing an article about a webcomic of mine called MA komiks. It's Icelandic and fairly popular. You deleted it but I can's see why, when similar articles like Neglected Mario Characters are accepted. Just wanted to ask why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gudnster87 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 10 August 2006

How popular? Has it received a lot of press attention? Attention from third party sources? (and we're not talking about forums). The concept of Mario is pretty notable worldwide. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, my college, Menntaskólinn á Akureyri, which has an article in your archieve and houses over 700 students, has a considerable fanbase because all of the comics happen in the school (which is codenamed MA, hence the name of the comics). But don't be fooled by it's country of origin, our population is over 300.000.

If I were to translate one of the comics to English, and send it to you, and you were to laugh out loud, would that increase my chances of getting the article accepted?

I'm sure your comic is very fine, and those who read it enjoy it. Unfortunately the issue is not about the comic's quality, or whether I like it. It is about the issues I mentioned in my above post. An article about a school magazine or newspaper would also be rejected on the same grounds. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

But...but...but...what if...I...cried? This sucks, I'm going home...

lol. Take it easy :) The JPS^{talk to me} 21:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Dave Evans (musician)

Hi, I'm new to the wiki editing community so I'm still unsure about how things are done. You deleted my article on Dave Evans (musician), and I realise now it was non-notable. I was wondering, would it still be acceptable to add him to the list of names at David Evans? Cheers. Richard 11:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I don't think so, really. I don't see the point. If he's not notable by our guidelines then it's unlikely people would be searching for him. The JPS^{talk to me} 11:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. It's just that I searched for him to no avail, and thought I'd make it easier for other people doing the same. But I guess if hardly anybody knows about him, it'd just be taking up space. Richard 11:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Neurotic (band)

Hello, why did you delete my article on neurotic the band?, I was the one that created the article (back in the day when writing on wikipedia didn't "demanded" an account) and it took me a good day to have it done, I've seen your " WP:MUSIC " and although i think it's kind of ridiculous notion the article and the band I've addressed do follow your "requirements" they did at least 2 major tours (opening to bands like decapitated, primordial, testament, all featured on wikipedia), they have been put on press in magazines, like Loud and Blast (these are real paper magazines, they have hundreds of online ones), sure they are a Portuguese band and mostly known in Portugal, but that doesn't mean it's a garage or fanboy band, i feel kinda insulted, I've had all this trouble to add good articles to wikipedia and just because you people don't want to make the effort to investigate, well if you don't bring it back it will just make wikipedia a little lesser.

Input?

As an admin, and someone whose edits I have respected and appreciated, can I get your 2¢ on this article (February 12, 1809). I've made several edits which are pretty intentful, but have been removed each time. Before I take actions ... that might be construed poorly, would you look at the article and my edits in paticular and give me some feedback. Thanks! — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 22:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Well, it seems as if you want to turn it into a redirect. My initial opinion is that I agree. The chances anyone would search for that specific date are slim, and Feb 12 and the two biographic artciles cover everything else. Perhaps it might be worth listing it on AFD? The JPS^{talk to me} 21:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

That was going to be my next action, but I wanted a seconding on the idea: I don't want to seem ogreishor anything. Thanks, I'll do that. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 21:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: V

Check the edit history, this is the first time i've used the vandalism summary. I've used restore, rollback and Revert Good Faith, he continues to revert which causes disruption to the pages and messes up pages and so i have had to use the vandalism revert and req. protection. Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 09:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

re: CATMAN COHEN Mediation Case

Dear JPS:

COWMAN 109 suggested the following letter be addressed to your attention.

Please note that the removal of CATMAN COHEN listing was effected recently upon the assumption that Wikipedia unilaterally bypassed mediation, instead summarily placing labels of censure upon the CATMAN COHEN listing, including NPOV, AUTOBIOGRAPHY, ADVERTISEMENT, etc. As a result, it was determined that immediate removal of the listing was necessary to avoid having Establishment friends of The Catman Project (including police, soldiers, nurses, firemen, paramedics, teachers, etc) stumble upon the various pejorative labels of censure.

However, if WIkipedia is still willing to mediate the issue privately (i.e. NOT in full view of the public), then please apprise as such because, naturally, in the best circumstances, CATMAN COHEN would remain listed at WIKIPEDIA, subject to the edits that would satisfy mutually both the encyclopedia's criteria for listing and the Artist's criteria for maintaining creative integrity.

Again, please note that the CATMAN COHEN recording artist is somewhat unique insofar as NOT providing an artist photo (except of the artist in silhouette) and NOT providing birthdate or birthplace. The CATMAN COHEN biography has been designed to be somewhat metaphorical; yet it seems that these diversions from standard encyclopedia standards are likely to increase interest in the Wikipedia listing rather than diminish it.

Once again, please apprise as to your final decision on the matter.

Thank you for your attention to this request.

Vicky Asher, PR
keevaymusic@comcast.net
24.126.193.239 17:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI.... WEB RADIO CANADA's most recent artist directory (A-C)

Alanis Morissette - rock singer Alannah Myles - singer Aldo Nova - rock/pop artist Alex Lifeson - guitarist Rush Alexina Louie-Pianist Alexisonfire - hardcore punk/screamo group Alexz Johnson All Systems Go! - Montreal punk/rock group, side project of The Doughboys and Big Drill Car Allison Crowe - singer-songwriter Amanda Marshall - singer/songwriter Amanda Stott - singer Amy Millan - singer-songwriter (also member of Stars and Broken Social Scene) Andrew Cash - singer-songwriter Andy Stochansky - singer/songwriter and former drummer for Ani DiFranco Anne Murray - singer Apostle of Hustle - indie-rock Appleton - British-based singing duo April Wine - hard rock group Arcade Fire - indie-rock band Art Bergmann - punk/alternative singer-songwriter Ashley MacIsaac - violinist Avril Lavigne - singer/songwriter Ayria - Industrial / Electronica / Electro B.B. Gabor - Hungarian-born new wave artist B2Krazy - pop/dance act BOY - indie-rock Bachman Turner Overdrive - rock group (BTO) Barenaked Ladies - rock group Barlow - singer-songwriter Be Good Tanyas - contemporary old time music group Bedouin Soundclash Bell Orchestre - experimental/post-rock group (members of Arcade Fire) Ben Heppner - operatic tenor Ben Mink - guitarist, violinist k.d.lang, Geddy Lee, Rush Bif Naked - punk/pop singer Billy Klippert - rock musician Billy Talent - punk rock band Black Mountain - Indie rock band Blackie and the Rodeo Kings - alternative country supergroup (Stephen Fearing, Tom Wilson, Colin Linden) Blair MacLean (musician) - member of MacLean and MacLean and artist Blue Rodeo - roots influenced music group Bob Fink -- classical (tonal ) counterpoint composer Bobby Bilan (of The Guess Who, Thee Outpatients) Bobby Curtola - singer Boys Night Out - Emo Punk Bran Van 3000 - techno-rock Brenin Edmunds - industrial/alternative rock Broken Social Scene - indie-rock "collective" Bruce B- rapper Bruce Cockburn - singer-songwriter Bryan Adams - singer-songwriter Buck 65 - hip-hop artist Buddy MacMaster - violinist Buddy Wasisname and the Other Fellers - Folk/Comedy trio from Newfoundland and Labrador Buffalo Springfield - Neil Young's first international success Buffy Sainte-Marie - singer, songwriter, artist, activist Burton Cummings - rock musician (The Guess Who, solo) By Divine Right - alternative/indie-rock group Canadian Brass - Instrumental Caribou - electronic musician Carole Pope - new wave rock/pop singer Caroline Azar - singer-songwriter-keyboardist (Fifth Column) Cassie Steele - singer/songwriter and actress Catman Cohen - singer-songwriter Chad VanGaalen - eclectic artist and songwriter Chantal Condor - singer Chantal Kreviazuk - singer Charlie Angus - alternative country singer/songwriter, writer and politician Chilliwack - rock band Choclair - hip-hop artist Christine Evans - singer City and Colour - aka Dallas Green of Alexisonfire - singer-songwriter Classic Albums Live - rotating group of musicians who perform a classic rock album each month Colin James - blues/rock musician Corey Hart - singer Cowboy Junkies - roots group Crash Test Dummies - pop group Céline Dion - Pop singer and diva

The artist does not meet out guidelines concerning notability. Once Cohen satisfies the criteria at WP:MUSIC then an article can be created. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

rejoinder

JPS:

I was unaware of WP MUSIC criteria until now, however, it seems that Catman Cohen meets the WP MUSIC criterion, as stated:

"Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network"

Catman Cohen has been played regularly upon CBC RADIO in Canada (per Mary-Anne Korosi, Vancouver CBC radio producer, head of New Music Canada), and CBC RADIO is the national broadcast station for the country. Furthermore, as far as I know (although I am an American citizen), WEBRADIO CANADA happens to be owned by CBC RADIO and its subscriber growth far exceeds most traditional commercial FM stations outlets in Canada..

Incidentally, you note the imperative for polite manners at the front of your User page, so maybe you should learn a few yourself. The only reason I approached you about this matter is, first, upon request of Catman Cohen, and second, upon the suggestion of COWMAN 109, who apparently was the final arbiter of the Catman Cohen mediation request. As pointed out to COWMAN 109, that mediation request was abrogated summarily by myself when Wiki editors began slapping pejorative censure labels upon the Catman Cohen listing in plain view of the public, and that could not be allowed because of the types of groups (military, police, firemen, nurses, etc) associated with the Project. So, at COWMAN 109's polite suggestion, he stated that the three editors directly involved in the final category deletion should be contacted. Since one editor is on wiki-break, that meant an approach to you and the other member of the editorial trio. So for you to dismiss condescendingly this most recent approach as "spam" is simply RUDE.
Practise what you preach----- and I am providing a copy of this correspondence to COWMAN 109..

Ms. Vicky Asher, PR

24.126.193.239 22:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you willing to leave the final copyediting to experienced Wikipedia editors? Wikipedia is not a promotional tool. In my experience, artists who are desperate to have an article are not notable, but I see that he does have albums listed at Amazon. Adjectives should be avoided. The final draft that I read was overly expressive. Also, I notice some legal threats on its talk page, which is please is against WP:LEGAL and coul dget you blocked. I'm sure that these threats contributed to the article's deletion. Perhaps you would like to propose a new article at User:The JPS/Catman Cohen proposal and we can see if it satisifes our standards before moving it into mainspace? The JPS^{talk to me} 09:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. My use of the word 'spam' may have been harsh, but copying your message to Cowman's page was unneccessary. A message saying a reply existed on mine would have been sufficient. The JPS^{talk to me} 09:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Concerning possible re-instatement of Catman Cohen listing

Yes, I am authorized to state that the final copy-editing for the Catman Cohen listing should be left entirely to WIKIPEDIA editors, even if that reduces the entire listing to a mere single paragraph or two. Reason: Catman Cohen believes WIKIPEDIA will someday become the primary source of info pertaining to almost every substantive topic throughout the entire world and desires to be included. The WIKIPEDIA listing has been particularly useful for providing a large number of international correspondents an immediate reference concerning the Artist upon request. Since I believe you retain the original Catman Cohen listing in your permanent records, therefore I request that you make the final edit decision of how the copy would be allowed to appear in WIKIPEDIA, plus the final determination of which categories (e.g. protest songs, CD albums, Future projects, Canadian songwriters, etc.) in which the Artist can be included.

I am not authorized to offer any editing suggestions given that the unique, somewhat metaphorical nature of a mystery Artist like Catman Cohen is NOT the norm for Artist listings at WIKIPEDIA. Therefore, I am instructed to state that the editing decisions must rest with WIKIPEDIA editors and only the WIKIPEDIA editors, since only they fully understand the exact stringent criteria required of their encyclopedia listings. Please let me reiterate: I am not authorized to provide any suggestions at all, other than a request that the "Artist in Silhouette Photo" (which is the only publicity photo available of the Artist) be included in the listing.

Finally, as per the email sent previously to WIKIPEDIA editors, ALL legal threats made toward WIKIPEDIA (by myself as an agent for Catman Cohen) have been revoked by Catman Cohen himself. I am not authorized to make such threats on his behalf under any circumstances ever again and, in fact, was never authorized to do so in the first place.

Thank you.

Ms. Vicky Asher, PR

(on behalf of The Catman Project)

24.126.193.239 17:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

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Camera

I'm not an expert with camera's but i thinks it's a Nikon D50 and the focal length is 1.5 if that means anything to you. As i explained earlier i then printed them off and scanned them through. ➨ Darren Also upon recent inspection i noticed you had removed a picture showing the Bishop Luffa School uniform. Did you fail to see the summary which cleary showed that the picture was there under the full knowledge of the subject shown? there was no copyright vialation. Redvers told me that the parent of the subject owns the copyright.

No, I didn't fail to see the summary. On this occasion, Redvers is incorrect. The copyright holder is the photographer. On the reverse of most school, and other professional portraits, the imperative 'do not copy' can be found. The parent (aka customer) buys a print, not the copyright. I spent a few years working for a photographic retailer, and this law was made clear to us. Indeed, disciplinary action could have been taken had we allowed the reproduction of such material. Most customers were unhappy when they discovered that they didn't own the copyright. The JPS^{talk to me} 13:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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RE: Catman Cohen

Just wondering if you noticed my email sent your way yesterday - and wondering what your thoughts happen to be?

Ms. Vicky Asher, PR

(on behalf of The Catman Project)

24.126.193.239 20:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

1 Question for a new user

Hi! Thanks for your warm welcome. I have a one question to ask you, I wanted to know how you can become an administrator (like you) on Wikipedia, can anyone eventually become an administrator, I’m quite knew to this site and would love to know how. Jfp-24 11:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hiya. Admins are selected by community consensus, at WP:RFA. You'll see from the current votes at that page the standards required. You are expected to have at last a few thousand edits, knowledge of policy, evidence of mature conduct, little evidence of immature/incivil conduct, etc, and participation in some community activities (fighting vandalism, copyright problems, etc.) As a new user, it's waaay off for you, but that's what's roughly expected before you're nominated. The tone of your comment (i.e. the final phrase) at Talk:The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is one such example that might be used against you, because it is rather confrontational. The JPS^{talk to me} 11:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi JPS, just to fill you in, this is the latest sock by infamous and indefinitely blocked User:Jackp. Mostly famous, but by no means limited to, his disruptive and impenatrably clueless edits on the Sydney page. Check out the discussion tab - most of it is trying to reason with Jackp. Other socks include User:Jfp-24 and User:Movie-lover93 and User:Jfpearce. We've spent a lot of time coaching Jack and providing him with the benefit of the doubt. Once bloked he reappeared under other names or anonymous with behaviour identical to that he had promised he wouldn't repeat while pleading to be unblocked. Merbabu 14:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you please be a bit more careful about who you choose to welcome? Posting a message on Jack's talk page urging him to stick around is not helpful when he's a community banned user editing under his umpteenth sockpuppet. Rebecca 04:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

lol - chances are that JPS did not know about Jackp let alone that Jfp-24 is another sock for him. But Rebecca, you have done some mighty fine work keeping a check on him. Thanks Merbabu 04:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, Merbabu, for both the heads up and also the defence from that rather lacklustre admonishment. When I think about it, I had a brief run in with the original user (which might explain why we came here). But, that was the other side of the summer, and my little brain can only store so many things. The JPS^{talk to me} 11:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

lol - He might be back. user User:Kill-bill-93 looks suspiciously similar. Note the 93 and article choice.Merbabu 11:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, chances are it is. How long do you reckon it will be before he edits a Sydney related article? The JPS^{talk to me} 12:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

How long before he edits Sydney?? Less than 24 hours: [5]. It's actually quite entertaining. On my user page yesterday he claimed he wasn't Jackp, yet in Sydney he goes and makes the same edits that have been made dozens of times under Jackp then removed by other editors. Merbabu 12:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, it's all quite fun. But yes, The JPS has run into Jack before - somehow Jack thought it was me! [6] JPD (talk) 11:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi JDP. I noticed that you removed a Jackp edit from Talk:The_Texas_Chain_Saw_Massacre. Maybe it was good just to sign it, and leave it as an example as to how unreasonable he is. But, up to you. 210.50.68.78 06:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, JPS

Not sure if you are on summer vacation or too distracted by other pressing matters. Still wondering what your thoughts happen to be concerning the Catman Cohen matter? Hope all is well in the magical Land of WIkipedia.

Ms. Vicky Asher, PR

24.126.193.239 21:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I have had things in the real world to contend with. I'll get on to this soon. The JPS^{talk to me} 22:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Have to go away on a one week business trip, will be leaving Thursday morning and not returning until August 31. I will check in occasionally although will have only limited computer access. Thought I should keep you apprised of my schedule so that, if you make contact during that time period, you will understand if there is a delay in getting back to you.

Thanks for your kind assistance in this entire matter!

Ms. Vicky Asher, PR 24.126.193.239 15:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

One Foot in the Grave boxset

Hi JPS, I was just wondering where you found the information about a complete One Foot in the Grave boxset, partly just to verify it, and partly because I'll be tempted to buy it if it comes out! Bob talk 22:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The only place taking preorders at the moment is play.com -- £55.99. I might hang on until after Christmas. I always expected a box set so hung off buying the individual discs. The JPS^{talk to me} 22:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'm quite surprised that BBC still haven't finished releasing them all yet - it was such a popular series, and they have launched complete DVD sets of far less well-known programmes. Bob talk 19:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I was tempted to buy The Vicar of Dibley set for £50 -- I waited for a few months and got it from play for £17.99. I expected the BBC to do OFitGthat way, though -- it's more expensive for people to buy them individually. Also, a box set is a good way to use up unsold stock of the originals. The best DVD story was Joking Apart [7].
BTW, once the box set becomes available at a wider number of places, it's probably best to remove the citation incase it looks like it's favouring Play. It'll be more easily verifiable using more sources then. The JPS^{talk to me} 19:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I will do once it is mentioned elsewhere - somebody had put a "citation needed" on it, so I thought it was better to have a reference for the time being. I didn't know about Joking Apart - that's quite remarkable. Bob talk 19:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

I'd welcome your 2c over at Talk:Hollyoaks; user wishes to add unverifiable content as they dont wish to cite it. They just keep saying "check hollyoaks.com" thanks/MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 19:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The hollyoaks debacle

Hello,

I read the epilogue, and I understand where you are coming from I always appreciate constructive criticism. However I would like to explain certain things.

I have noticed that the three other british soaps, Coronation Street, Emmerdale and Eastenders follow a different format with Eastenders being a Wiki Project. I have seen people post news from websites or magazines in the Comings and Goings section about actors status, and then the editors choose to erase it because it needs to be confirmed by the BBC (although I have recently seen additions from magazine articles to the Eastenders list that have not been erased.) This section of the Hollyoaks site had been going on for a few months through the introduction of the Valentine clan and the original MCQueen girls. A month and a half ago, give or take a week, The official website updated its cast and character section with all future McQueen children and there were profiles for the upcoming children, plus a video was made in the section. So I took it as official, like any person editing for Eastenders Wiki and not just rumours from a tabloid so I added them in at the time. Everything went well, no one else did anything. until I found out about another person coming in.

I have nothing against Matthew. I am not going to fight with someone half my age (I apologize to him for being rude) I just felt like if it was on the official site, it had a right being there. If Matthew wants to keep the site up to date, and is a fan of Hollyoaks, why hasn't he ever gone on to check out the official site. Did he not know it existed. Does he not keep up to date with the news? Also, the way that Hollyoaks structures its site is comparable to the characters section on the Eastenders site. Why is it according to him " not his job to check things out" if he considers himself the " main editor" I don't understand why he does not keep up wit hthe official site.

He is the only one to challenge me on this. In the few months that this section has been on the page, no one other than him doubted me (perhaps they keep up to date with the official site), It's just been Matthew. If you notice, I was the one who started a thread in the discussion page, and I just got a bit agitated when he shot me down. I feel that maybe he should have wrote a discussion topic asking about these characters and I could have steered him in the right direction, instead of all this vitriol. I am also a bit taken a back by his take-charge attitude, like he is the editor-in-chief like he makes all the rules. I appreciate his additions, however there is no Hollyoaks wiki like the Eastenders one, and I have just as much a right to add in my two cents if they were truthful as he would. I would have been grateful to discuss it all with him, if we have started a topic himself asking about the validity of something.

I am not bothered immensely, by thisargument. I mean there are more important things than Wikipedia (sorry) but I just feel a bit bothered that if I post an upcoming character that I notice on the BBC Eastenders site on the characters page for Eastenders, it's fine, but on here, the Hollyoaks page, i get called on the the validity, even if there is confirmation on the official site. (Maybe the Eastenders people have a better understanding to the official Eastenders website.)

I have to run, but I appreciate any comments you might have. I would like to also try and understand the differences between the wiki pages for Corrie, Eastenders and Emmerdale with the one for Hollyoaks (The only one not to share the same structure If you have any other questions, (but I am sure that you will be getting sick of all this) don't hesitate to write me or e-mail me at proudwriter@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Season Pages or List of Episode (individual Ep pages)

All editors, please see discussion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Smallville episodes Bignole 18:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I ask you to reconsider your vote. I have found an interesting twist to this whole thing. There is a Centralized Discussion about TV episode formats, which is how policies are adjusted and created. If you look again at the debate I have linked to the appropriate articles. This is not about preference, as we both know preference is an opinion and opinions are something else on Wikipedia. The articles detail that there are multiple formats for TV pages, and that season pages is one of them. It is no longer a question of who is right and wrong, but of who was there first. Selecting a format over another based on what you prefer is hardly NPOV. The season have been there for months longer than the list page, and they are complete (granted they need work to the tone of the article, but they are more complete than the list page) and technically have seniority over the list. Voted for the list, toward the deletion of the season pages, is promoting preference in Wikipedia. I ask you to read the Centralized Discussion page and think about what this debate is really about, now that other guidelines have been found. Bignole

I wish you would see that Talk page for "list of episodes". Pere requested a vote to determine if the indy ep pages should be created (which I thought was clear on the other page), in the mean time he has gone ahead and created Season 2 pages and plans to go ahead with others, completely ignoring everyone. Bignole

My judgement and vote is clear on the AFD page. Thanks. The JPS^{talk to me} 11:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Damien Frost AfD

I added some references to the Damien Frost article. Could you please make any other improvements to the article that seem to be appropriate? --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 21:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Army of prawns

Hello, I was wondering why you deleted my page on "Army of prawns", please tell me what is wrong with it and i will amend the page. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by PreachasPromis (talk • contribs) 15:51, 29 August 2006

Hello. Your band does not meet our criteria for inclusion, per WP:MUSIC. I'm afraid we have to abide by this criteria becasue of the number of bands out there attempting to use Wikipedia for publicity, as if it were MySpace. The JPS^{talk to me} 14:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The band isn't seeking publicity, I just want all the information about the band to be known. It's for my benefit and people who want to know about that, not the bands benefit. I thought wikipedia was supposed to be a place of free exchange of information... PreachasPromis 03:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This is why we have notability guidelines and criteria. If your article does not meet them, it is very unlikely that the public will want to know about it. MySpace is the place for them, along with the billion other similar bands. The JPS^{talk to me} 09:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

unsourced images and text: Articles for deletion/Caridee English

Hello there.... User:StarbuckDude continues to upload copyright-violation images, and has been restoring them every time I try to remove them. Additionally, User:Lil Flip246 has also been restoring them (she's violated the 3RR rule on several articles such as Eva Pigford) as fast as editors can remove them, plus restoring unsourced gossip and text from each of the articles bundled in this nomination: [8] .....can you take a look? Other editors as well as myself have tried to explain WP:RS and WP:V to her but she refuses to change her edit-warring, stating that it's "retarted" that she should have to cite sources. wikipediatrix 23:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you very much for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully today with a result of (62/18/3). I will go very carefully at first, trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools, and will begin by re-reading all the high-quality feedback I received during the process, not least from those who opposed me. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! Guinnog 14:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)}

Yes Minister

Hi, I'm guessing that you found out which episode that scene occurs in - anyway, it's in The Moral Dimension (series 3). Bob talk 16:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks -- it's actually mentioned in the article itself!! The JPS^{talk to me} 17:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

returned from trip

Hello, JPS:

Will be back at work Friday.

Please advise with regard to earlier questions about a new Catman Cohen listing at Wikipedia.

Warm Regards,

Vicky Asher, PR 24.126.193.239 04:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)