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April 2024

Hi The Burmese Editor! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Myanmar Army that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. Dawnseeker2000 14:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

June 2024

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Battalion, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 14:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Please also note that if you're citing to non-English language sources, you need to provide a translated quote in English to go along with it, per Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 20:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

how do I actually add like a quote? Is there such method? The Burmese Editor (talk) 21:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

If you're using the {{cite web}} template, you can just at |quote="whatever the quote is" (other similar Cite templates should work the same way). So it'll look something like <ref>{{cite web|url=whatever|title=whatever|quote="quote goes here"}}</ref> -- the exact format will depend on what other parameters you're adding. Otherwise, you can just add it directly in quotation marks within the <ref></ref> tags, preferably after the main body of the reference. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

could you show it to me first? Like, I've left the specific sentences that support these facts. Can you turn them into those "quotes" that you're refering to? The Burmese Editor (talk) 21:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

If you gave me the text here, I could format it, but since I don't speak Burmese I can't find it myself. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, I see the Burmese text you've listed, I would need the translation of those in English. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure, this is the best translation I can make

39:

တပ်ရင်းတစ်ရင်းမှာ သေနတ်ကိုင်တပ်ခွဲလို့ ခေါ်တဲ့ ရှေ့တန်းထွက်တဲ့တပ်ခွဲ နဲ့ ဌာနချုပ်တပ်ခွဲလို့ ခေါ်တဲ့ နောက်တန်းမှာနေတဲ့ တပ်ခွဲဆိုပြီး ခွဲခြားထားပါတယ်။: A Regiment/Battalion has 4 Rifle Companies (literally translates as Gun Carrying Company but Rifle Company is a more suitable term) and a Headquarters Company with support elements as their fighting force and the Regimental/Battalion Headquarters meant ot stay at the Cantonment

You can use either Regiment or Battalion. Both translates to တပ်ရင်း in Burmese, meaning the same thing

42:

လက်ရှိအခြေအနေမှာ စစ်တပ်ရဲ့ တပ်ရင်းတစ်ရင်းမှာ စစ်အင်အား ၂၀၀ အောက်သာရှိပြီး အများစုက အင်အား ၁၅၀ အောက်သာ ရှိတယ်လို့ ဦးရဲမျိုးဟိန်း ရဲ့ စာရင်းမှာဖော်ပြပါတယ်။: As of currently, regiments/battalions in the army has the strength of just around 200 men and most of them only have below 150 men as found in U Ye Myo Hein's list

I don't actually know how U Ye Myo Hein is but I'll take it as it's reported in BBC The Burmese Editor (talk) 21:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Not included in the source but as of military propaganda movies as well as some other news, Companies are numbered as No. (1), No. (2), No. (3) and No. (4), not A B C and D

Movies like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H11gx1ThK4E The Burmese Editor (talk) 21:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I want to note that per policy, a translated quote is only required if asked for by another editor. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 14:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Not quite; per policy translated quotes are expected if quoting a non-English source; it's quotes in general that are on-request. If you quote a non-English reliable source (whether in the main text or in a footnote), a translation into English should accompany the quote. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 15:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

That is for quotes in the text- don't believe the original edits were putting a translated quote, just using a non-English source. 90% of non-English sources on en.wiki dont give quotes. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 21:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see anything that specifies that it's for quotes in the text; my understanding is that it's for quotes used for verifiability purposes, given the location.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

OK I've updated the article with the provided quotations, thank you. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hello The Burmese Editor! Your additions to Light infantry have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, it's important to understand and adhere to guidelines about using information from sources to prevent copyright and plagiarism issues. Here are the key points:

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Ohh. Sorry about that. So, is it like, it's ok if I kinda write the same stuff but in my own words rather than directly copy pasting like I did? The Burmese Editor (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey, could you check the article again? It's the same source (+1 new source) but I rephrased it myself. So, does it qualify now? The Burmese Editor (talk) 19:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Myanmar ranks

1. Before adding anything please make sure that there are Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
2. Be aware of WP:BRD, continuing to add something unsourced that has been removed counts as Wikipedia:Edit warring.
3. All the rank pages are for the official names only. So, when you claim that Myanmar uses e.g. Lieutenant, you are wrong, as they use ဗိုလ်. Which is etymologically unrelated to Lieutenant.

Skjoldbro (talk) 06:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The word ဗိုလ် itself in the current system is the literal translation of Lieutenant. The word ဗိုလ်ချုပ် itself is also a literal translation of Major General. All those so called "Literal Translation" that you're trying to add are pure nonsense since no one speaks that way. The Burmese Editor (talk) 07:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, when you're stating to use only "ဗိုလ်" and not "Lieutenant" when in English, misunderstanding are going to happen. It's plain wrong

Back the royal Burmese army, during Bandula era, ဗိုလ် rank is a senior officer commanding around 600 men. Which you can check in the book စစ်မဟာဗျူဟာအမြင် by Colonel Myint Aung/ဗိုလ်မှူးကြီး မြင့်အောင်

In current system where the word "ဗိုလ်" is a literal translation of Lieutenant. It's not an equivalent. It's a literal translation. For more info about ဗိုလ်မှူးချုပ် being Brigadier and etc, you can read U Nu's Saturday Son The Burmese Editor (talk) 07:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

ဗိုလ် might be the literal translation, but it is still etymologically unrelated to Lieutenant. The rank pages, such as Lieutenant, are only for ranks that are etymologically related Lieutenant. As such, please do not add anything not etymologically, especially, when it is unsourced. Per WP:BRD, if you want to re-add Myanmar, I suggest that you follow the rules and gain WP:concensus. Skjoldbro (talk) 09:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

When ဗိုလ် translates as "Lieutenant" and used officially as "Lieutenant" in official sources at which you can check here https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/behind-the-boasts-myanmars-junta-boss-is-a-superstitious-mediocrity.html. It means it's "Lieutenant" in the modern system and important to be noted as such The Burmese Editor (talk) 09:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Official translation still doesn't change anything about the etymology. The pages are about the etymology name rank, not what may or may not be translated as such. Just like مقدم might be translated to a number of rank name, but not featured on those translated pages. Skjoldbro (talk) 09:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That still does not mean Myanmar doesn't use those ranks like you stated. If you're point is about adding the native language for the rank instead of English, that would make sense but if you're point is that Myanmar doesn't use those ranks, it does not make any sort of sense at all The Burmese Editor (talk) 10:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

July 2024

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Lieutenant. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Skjoldbro (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

We've talked about this stuff. You've removed the info because of my misunderstanding of adding English titles. That was over since I've replaced those with English titles (i.e: Lieutenant Colonel) with Burmese titles (i.e: ဒုတိယဗိုလ်မှူးကြီး) and currently, I'm just trying to cover the info that were removed for no reasons at all The Burmese Editor (talk) 13:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

If you have a problem with me for trying to recover the facts that were removed for no reasons, I think we simply have nothing to discuss anything anymore The Burmese Editor (talk) 13:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Multiple users have undone your additions, as such you lack Wikipedia:Consensus. Continuing to add material without consensus constitutes Wikipedia:Edit warring. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.

And like I have stated multiple times, you additions are:

1. Still etymologically unrelated to the rank page. Whatever a translation may be, the word ဗိုလ် is still wholly and completely unrelated to the word Lieutenant. Unless of course "ဗိုလ် " is also derives from French; the lieu meaning "place" as in a position (cf. in lieu of); and tenant meaning "holding" as in "holding a position".
2. and more importantly lacking Wikipedia:Reliable sources.

Please stop adding things without sources or consensusSkjoldbro (talk) 14:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC).

Then, it basically means every other words in the article Lieutenant which is unrelated to the exact spelling of the word "Lieutenant" should be removed. Such as "Toger" used in Albania and Kosovo as well as "Segen" used in Israel and since those words are still included, it basically means the word "ဗိုလ်" belongs in there since it's the word for "Lieutenant" used in Myanmar.

Also, as per "Multiple users have undone your additions", there's been 2. You and that other guy.

As per "Reliable Sources", that basically means nothing in this cases, these photos and ranks are used in wikipedia articles about the armies that use those ranks (i.e: insignia and title of "ဗိုလ်") are found in the article of Myanmar Army which basically means you statement of "Lacking Reliable Sources" is mere nonsense The Burmese Editor (talk) 14:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they should also be removed. And still counts as Edit warring. Skjoldbro (talk) 22:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)