User talk:Tarif Ezaz/Archive01

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Hello, Tarif Ezaz, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Humayn Azad

Tarif, nice work there with the book lists. Now, do you have the ISBN numbers for the books? If so, beside every book, please list the ISBN numbers in the following way : ISBN followed by the number without any spaces. Thanks. --Ragib 20:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply: language movement

Tarif, nice work. I forgot to reply to you, so doing that below:

you talked about scholar references.now bashir al helal is a bangla language expert, ex director of bangla academy.he also researched a lot about a lot about languase movement and in his book their is no information which is without a proof.he also actually wrote the language movement article on bangla pedia.so would he be a scholar. Please confirm me this.

It is perfectly ok to cite Bashir Al-Helal's scholarly book as a reference. Just to clarify, when you cite from his book to back a reference, please add the page numbers, from which you have added the info.

another thing is in the dailies of that time a lot about language movement is published which also includes in other books.in that case from where shall i refer from?one more thing.

Referring to dailies of the period is also just fine, simply add the date and the name of the daily.

how can i john the bangladeshi wikipedian list. .you will be glad to know that i am editing from mobile.i was sick for a few days and couldn't contribute on language movement much. I hope this will start again tomorrow. I will try unfollow your tips and wonderful guideline.and to know how glad i an about you plz read the previous message.thanks a lot.goodbye. tarif ezaz(sorry,haven't sign in yet.)

Add your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh.

Keep up the good work. --Ragib 17:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Great work!! I've been busy in the Bangla wikipedia, so haven't given a look into the Language movement article, but I'll look into it during the weekend.

Do you have any photos from the books/magazines? Basically, any photo taken before 1956 can be used freely, as the copyright law of Pakistan makes images go into Public domain after 50 years. So, if you can scan the photos, or somehow get them, we can easily use them here.

Thanks, and keep up the good work. --Ragib 21:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Cricket

Hello Tarif. Thanks for your help with Bangladeshi cricket and cricket in general. Please consider joining the Cricket WikiProject, where we attempt to improve coverage of cricket on Wikipedia. There is also a Cricket quiz for a spot of fin. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Even better articles

Hi! See my edits to Asif Hossain Khan for ideas how to create even better articles. Punkmorten 18:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Tarif, just a short note on formatting, please use a space after commas or full stops (periods). Thanks. --Ragib 21:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Tarif, another idea, did you ever look into the "Did you know?" section in the main page? That lists articles created in the last 5 days, which are good, and has an interesting fact. You might look into the process at WP:DYK and think about nominating this article. Of course, you need to expand the article, and add more references. Think about this. --Ragib 05:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

someone please tell of how I ask for the nomination of an article for the "Did you know section.thanks.Tarif Ezaz Bangladesh 16:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Tarif, first you have to decide on an important fact about the article you created. The fact must be expressable in 1 sentence, with a limit of 200 words. The article must also be referenced (your current article is ok), and npov (your current article needs some rewording in this case, which I shall do soon.). The sentence in question should be in the form of (Do you know) "... that <insert interesting fact here>?". Once you decide on that, add it to the nomination page at Template_talk:Did_you_know. Thanks, and good luck. --Ragib 16:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The suggestion sounds ok, I'll look into it. I'll also copyedit the article pretty soon. Thanks. --Ragib 17:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I found an image, lowered the resolution, and used it in the article under fair use provisions. It would be great if you could find a freely usable photo. Thanks. --Ragib 19:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 6 October, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Asif Hossain Khan, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Tarif, congrats on getting your first DYK. Now you bask in the glory of satisfaction, and in the same spirit, write even more interesting articles. --Ragib 00:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Hi Tarif, Thanks for your message. I do remember your original mail about the language movement, and that definitely is a priority for us. We do have some time before February, so if we can get done with it by December, I think it might get selected for 21st february.

I will be in BD in December, and can work with local wikipedians. I'll be in Dhaka a large part of my time in BD, and hope to get some good shots of the Shahid Minar and other things.

I hope by now you can see why people are so enthusiastic about writing in wikipedia. See, living in BD, you can't really expect any of your website to be visible to millions of people. BUT, wikipedia gives you this opportunity. You worked hard for this, and now it came into DYK and was seen by many many people today. I can bet that no "Essay" you ever wrote gained this much coverage.

I'll mail you with some more DYK ideas. These ideas will be related to the language movement, so as you work on these, you'd be able to add to the language movement page itself.

As I always say, "keep up the good work". :)

--Ragib 05:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Sofiur Rahman

I have proposed this article for deletion. If you disagree, please remove the tag and we can discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Brianyoumans 12:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Prod

Tarif, As of now, the article on Sofiur Rahman is almost empty, without any assertion of his notability. This is of course, unlike Salam/Barkat, who were more prominent. If you feel this proposed deletion is unjust, you are free to remove the prod tag, but then there is a chance that it will be taken to AfD (Articles for deletion). To save the article, you need to add more content, more assertions of notability here. Thanks. --Ragib 19:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Sofiur Rahman

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Help request

How can I understand which level of english that i rated to?

I'm afraid I don't understand your question. Could you clarify, please? -- Merope ^Talk 20:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

You can look at Wikipedia:Babel/Levels for a detailed explanation of the different levels and then decide where you fit in. If you want to put the English userbox on your userpage, you can use {{User en-x}}, where "x" is a number between 0 and 5. You might also want to put your native language on your userpage: the userbox for Bengali is {{user bn}}. Cheers! -- Merope ^Talk 18:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

school / college

Hey, I see a red link on your user page!! Why don't you start the article on your school and/or colleges too? --Ragib 07:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Bangladesh

Hi Tarif - a couple of months ago I had actually tried to make it a featured portal but I couldn't spare enough time (I'm presently running 4 other portals!). If you like, we can restart that effort. As for running a portal, I suggest you speak to Ambuj Saxena, who is running Portal:India single-handedly. One tip I can give you is to establish a realistic routine for updating that you can follow - as Bangladesh FAs are not numerous, I suggest you update the portal only once a week. Rama's arrow 22:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply to your message - I'm not Bangladeshi and dont speak/read/write Bengali but if its important news and minor fixes, I probably could take a look once in a while. I'm not the right man for the job, but if you need other help with articles/sources I'd be willing to help.22:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tarif,

To make it into a featured portal, first make sure you have enough time to devote to it. Managing portals can be very demanding as, if left un-updated, red-link start to appear. Before going for FPoC, make sure you have at least 4-5 articles and images to rotate. Create an archive of old articles, images and news that appeared on the main page. I would also recommend a weekly rotation schedule, though monthly rotation is also acceptable. The DYKs and news can be added as and when they come. Also balance the two columns of the portal page. Work on these and I will give more suggestions when these are done. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Monica Yunus

Hi. The posessive singular of nouns, including proper names, is made with an 's. See the very first rule in the classic guide to good style The Elements of Style by Strunk & White. Examples: for the singular Yunus write Monica Yunus's website with the "s", but for the plural Yunuses (i.e. all the members of the Yunus family) write the Yunuses' home, without the "s". Cheers! Vincent 03:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

how can I create an archive in a Portal? For example if I want to create an archive of DYK in Portal:Bangladesh how should I create the archive section?Tarif Ezaz Bangladesh 10:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Create a new page called Portal:Bangladesh/DYK/Archive, for instance; copy or move all the information that you need to the archive page by copying-and-pasting the edit box, writing what you're doing in the edit summary. --ais523 11:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

how can I know exact number of my contributions except manually counting from 'my contribution'?Tarif from Bangladesh 13:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

There are various edit counters available; see Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters for a list. (At the moment Interiot's Tool1 seemss popular; I've also created my own edit counter.) --ais523 13:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Bangladesh Portal

Hello Tarif,

I am sorry, but I do not know much about Bangladesh, or its culture, so I don't think I could easily contribute much, but thank you very much for asking.

Saiva suj 18:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

After adding archive to the featured picture section of the Portal:Bangladesh all templates came in one line including those at the bottom. How can balance it in two lines.Tarif from Bangladesh 12:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks fine to me, but one problem may be because you haven't closed your <div> tag; you need a matching </div> tag at the end of the code for including the archive. --ais523 12:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi... Definitely some of the articles on Bengal can and should be put on the Bangladesh Portal. In recent memory of the ones that I have written I think Hiralal Sen would fit very well in this category since he was born in what is now Bangladesh. Take care. Antorjal

Rq's help

I know this may be out of your range, but do you know anything about Pamheiba (Garib Nawaj) and Bhagya Chandra of Manipur? I found Banglapedia article here but am wondering if you (perhaps?) have access to Bengali (I cant read/write/speak Bengali) literature and or books on Manipuri history.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

How can I move the templates of Portal:Bangladesh so that I can create two columns. For example, its not possible to place the templates of news, selected article, featured picture in one column. It would be fair and resonable if it could be placed in two columns. Please help. I do not know much about the technique.Tarif from Bangladesh 13:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

One way to do columns is by using the columns templates. You write everything for the left column first, then everything for the right column, separating the columns with templates.

Click on 'edit' for this section to see how it's done. Hope that helps! --ais523 13:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Tarif, you may want to look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Bangladesh#Userboxto put on your userpage.Bakaman _Bakatalk 06:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

images

I've already uploaded Dhakeshwari Temple, Khan Mohammad Mirdha's mosque, Hoseni Dalan, Bibi Mariam Cannon etc. A lot are there in commons:Category:Dhaka. Please use them to update the portal. Thanks. --Ragib 16:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Language Movement

I finally took a detailed look at the article. Nice Work!!! I'll make sure we get more photos for the article (I got a b/w image of the original shaheed minar, and under Pakistani copyright law, that is in Public domain now). I'll also get some experienced users to copyedit the page. In all probability, I'll try to have the article in FAC stage by this month. Keep up your great work ... --Ragib 22:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

congrats

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For your astonishing commitment to developing articles such as the Language Movement. Rama's arrow 00:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

To be clear, your English IS good - I don't think you'll find many Englishmen or Americans complaining about your English. The problem is in the style of prose, WP:MOS and WP:NPOV - we all love our countries, so it takes a special effort sometimes to keep this neutral. Don't worry one iota, however, and if you give me your permission I will start copyediting this article at once. Not to be over-optimistic, but you can possibly send this to FAC sometime next week - copyediting doesn't take too long. Rama's arrow 19:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking over the references given, I think you'll need to add the following (apart from more references, mainly books or scholarly papers - try Questia.com, Google Books and Google Scholar): (1) name(s) of author(s), (2) date/year of publication, (3) publisher and (4) isbn/asin id. As many are from newspapers and magazines, you will need to cite which volume, edition, issue number. Have a look at WP:CITE and WP:RS for precise requirements. Rama's arrow 01:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I've googled for some referenecs, and added them in a thread in Talk:Language Movement. Tarif will probably not be able to access the JSTOR papers, as those require subscription. I think I can have access via via my univ library, ... Rama's Arrow may also be able to access these documents. --Ragib 01:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Update

(To Tarif and Ragib) I've reorganized and somewhat expanded the article. I would request you to please make sure that the data is comprehensive (that no significant detail is missing) - I think it is useful to cover the reactions and attitudes in West Pakistan - I'm also curious if the movement had any influence in West Bengal. What primarily remains to be done is copyediting and adding references/citations. Rama's arrow 00:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Bangladesh

WikiProject History of Bangladesh has started. It needs members and participants. Aditya Kabir 11:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

On Language movement

Hello Tarif. I stumbled upon Language movement after a few months and was really astonished to see the improvement. I think this article should be up for Featured Article Candidacy. I see Rama also had suggested the same about a month back. However I see you have not been active in the article after mid-February. Please try to get the article featured. This is an important topic, and the condition of the article is pretty good. We'll be happy to help. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

you'll be interested in this (trust me :)

Check this out! User:Rama's Arrow and User:Ragib talk to User:Witty lama on the Wikipedia Weekly, the weekly audio podcast. Rama's arrow 23:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I know you edit from mobile, thanks to the podcast the link of which Rama has provided. Congrats for the Bangladesh win :) Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have an exam on 30th March. Sorry I cannot concentrate on the article before that. I shall definitely try to help after the exam. Ok? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 09:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: great news

Indeed, it's a great news. I felt the huge satisfaction of having a "mu ha ha ha" type laugh in the face of my colleagues here ... :) ...

Let's hope we do well in the 6 coming matches as well. --Ragib 22:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Shahbag/archive2

I have just put the article to peer review. Would you care to take a look? Aditya Kabir 20:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Language movement FAC

Hi Tarif - after much delay, I think we are ready to go for FAC by this weekend. I am finishing the last round of copyediting and adding more citations. Ragib will look over the article this weekend, and I request you to do the same. Mainly, I hope you can provide some more publication details about "The Azad" citations - as you have given the specific dates of issues, I think the name of the publishing company and any other information should be (ideally) provided. Cheers - and congratulations on the performance of the Bangladesh cricket team. Sadly for you, the win over India was a fluke, which will be proven when we tour Bangladesh in May. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 14:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

FAC

Hi Tarif - Finally, I have submitted Language movement for FAC. I request your input at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Language movement. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 19:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tarif - good to hear from you. Exams are far more important, so you shouldn't worry about being inactive. I suggest you keep an eye on the FAC (and put your support vote!) and help a bit on copyediting or in addressing any concern raised by others. In about 5-6 days, LM should be an FA. (P.S. - I will be replying only on my talkpage to all comments). Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 12:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

As for cricket - excuses, excuses.... Anyway, Mohammed Ashraful is the new captain and I'm confident that Bangladesh will be serious contenders for the 2011 World Cup. The Indian team is rotting as of now, so its not like we were anywhere near respectable in playing. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 12:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: FAC

I'm already working on it. Aditya Kabir 07:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Me too. Regards-Arman Aziz 10:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey. Don't worry. We'll try so that Language Movement passes through the FAC. Though I am a bit less active these days, I'll try. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, certainly. I am slightly inactive these days during exams, but I will do my best to input when I can. Don't worry, we'll get it through :) Riana (talk) 23:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Jinnah's comments

In my attempt to cut down the long-winding sentences (they call'em snakes) I have put out some parts of his comments, but only temporarily. I'm figuring out a way to expand his comments a bit more. Then again, in the larger picture may be all of his really annoying comments may not be very necessary. Since this is an encyclopedia for a global audience, we may try and contain the content to be comprehensive (not too detailed, but not too abrupt either). Besides, the size of the article is always a consideration for FAs. Aditya Kabir 11:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Page numbers needed

Please provide page numbers for the inline citations from Bashie Al Helal's book for the following sentences:

1) The meeting demanded Bengali as an official language of Pakistan and as a medium of education in East Pakistan.

2) ...he proclaimed the language issue was designed by "fifth column" to divide Pakistani Muslims...

3) Before Jinnah left Dhaka on 28 March, he delivered a speech on radio reasserting his "Urdu-only" policy.

If the page numbers are same for the aforesiad three lines. it's ok. Otherwise we have to cretae separate citation references for them, with appropriate page numbers. Also if you have the book, please include the publisher information. Which publisher? From which place was the book published etc. See template:cite book.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

That's great. I will add those page number and publisher information to the article. Will let you know if something more is needed. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Please go through the section "References". See if any book reference is lacking the page number and publisher information. I think there are one or two such instances. You can add those information yourself, or provide those information in the talk page of the article, or send those to me. Please see Ragib's comments in the FAC--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Infobox

I have created an infobox for Language Movement, but it still is in a bad shape. Can you take a look at it, especially at the copy and the list? Aditya Kabir 05:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Following needed

• "Bangladesher Shadhinota Juddho:Dolilpotro. pp.54-65. — Publisher? or, Archived at? Writer, if anyone?
• "In 1948, a key resolution at a national education summit in Karachi prescribed Urdu as the sole state language of the country, the media and a compulsory subject in educational institutions" The citation for this is The Azad, December, 1948. Is it a monthly magazine or newspaper? If nespaper, give the date. Can you name the author?
• Itihash, Kobir Uddin Ahmed. pp.225-26. — Publisher? Year?
• Completed at dawn on 24 February, the monument had a handwritten note attached to it with the words "Shaheed Smritistombho".— The citation is The Daily Azad. Please give date.
• "Demonstrations broke out on the night of February 21, with various halls of the University of Dhaka raising black flags in mourning."— The citation is Ekusher Shonkolon, 1956. This is not same as the citation "(1980) Ekusher Shongkolon '80 (in Bengali). Dhaka: Bangla Academy, 102–103.". So please give some details like publisher.

Of the above, the citations "Bangladesher Shadhinota Juddho:Dolilpotro. pp.54-65, and Itihash, Kobir Uddin Ahmed. pp.225-26. are not essential. There are other citations supporting the facts to which these two citations are attached. So, if needed, thses two can be removed. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, publisher info of "Itihash, Kobir Uddin Ahmed. pp.225-26." needed.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

"Ekusher Shonkolon, 1956" is the citation for "Demonstrations broke out on the night of February 21, with various halls of the University of Dhaka raising black flags in mourning." The citation is incomplete. Either provide details (publisher -Bangla Academy? and year), or cite some other source (Al Helal's bbok?). Otherwise, to me, the citations now look ok. All journals have some identification (issn), books have at least page numbers, publisher (most have ISBN). However, if you have the copies of the newspapers, I'd request to collect more information, such as the name of the article, page number, publisher etc. Users like SandyGeorgia may find out more fixing for citations.

Regarding the prose, I cannot really improve it much. If all other concerns are met (comprehensiveness, verifiability etc), and the only concern left remains the prose, we'd submit the article to the League of Copyeditors. But first, all other concerns need to be met. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The local newspapers might be available at Dhaka Central Public Library archives. But getting access to them may be difficult, considering their antique status :). I would suggest checking Google news archive search feature, and searching US/UK newspapers of 1952 (which may call it Riot in Pakistan / dacca etc.). --Ragib 07:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting Language Movement

I've gotten a good start and overall it hasn't taken a great deal of editing. It does take a whole lot of meticulous headache-inducing effort to copyedit in British English, which I am not native to. Because of this, it's taking me a little bit longer and I'm taking breaks between sections to clear my head. I still think I should be finished today. Afterwards I'm going to summon one of my Brit LoCE members to come and proofread it. Trusilver 23:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I finished the copyedit on Language movement. I'm not 100% confident that I didn't Americanize some of the British English in the article, so I'm going to have someone else proofread it during the next day or so. But considering the situation, I have spent almost five hours reading and re-reading the article looking for any errors, inconsistancies, or just WP:MOS changes. I'm confident in the changes that have been made, but I don't want you to hesitate to contact me if you have any feedback.

I wish you the best of luck on your FA nomination, good luck. Trusilver 03:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Kyoko Topic

Hi! Ok I will have a look at Kyoko's comment. And by the way, I rather like my talk page full of talks (that's what it is meant for)! It's absolutely ok. :)--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

And the article has now been moved to The Language Movement. The FAC has also been moved in a corresponding manner. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The Language Movement - Criticism

Hi Tarif: I think the criticism section could still use some re-write. What is the context of the statement "The participation of Bengali Hindus and the Hindu foundations of Bengali culture provoked considerable opposition in West Pakistan. Several Bengali politicians such as Maulana Bhashani, Golam Azam, Motiur Rahman Nizami and Shah Azizur Rahman were alienated from the Awami League and subsequent Bengali nationalist agitations"? Why were they alienated and how is that related to the Language Movement? Also there seems to be sevaral different points on criticism - it is very difficult to separate one from the other.-Arman Aziz 00:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to address the first point—Hindu culture etc. Oldenberg article is very helpful in this regard. The apparent Hindu cultural predominance in Bengali culture annoyed the West Pakistani politicians, this is the basic theme. Ayub Khan's statement in 1967 gives the same idea.

I think, regarding the other sentence (why so and so politicians were alienated) the theme is same. These leaders did not like the relatively secular character of the Language Movement and subsequent movements/agendas of Awami League, so some of them quit, others got alienated, some even may have defected. Please try to get some reference for this. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have done the potentially sensitive part, the Hindu culture etc. please try to find out the case with those politicians who got alienated. The theme is most probably what I wrote in the post above. However, try to find reference, read about the politicians named. i have become pretty busy again, and cannot give time :( Please try. Can ask Ragib if he can manage some time, or ask ppm.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I've added the name of the editor as the publisher (as given in Banglapedia).--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting Language Movement

I did a follow-up copyedit on the criticism section this morning. Generally, it was pretty good, I only made a few minor changes. The introductory paragraphs still look pretty good. I also went back through the entire article as a whole just to look for anything that stood out as needing a fix. Overall, I'm happy with the way the article stands right now.

I'm going to come back and take another look in a few days, just because I know that it's still in a state of flux and will probably require another few tweaks before it's finished. Let me know if you need anything. Trusilver 17:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Read through the entire article again today, it's looking very good. I don't see anything that needs copyedited at this moment. If any changes have been made by tomorrow, I will read over it again. Trusilver 19:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: (User talk:ais523) How can I find

Just click on a redlink to the article (you posted one to my talk page just now), and just above the edit box you'll see an explanation as to why the article was deleted (in this case, it was via AfD, and there's a link to the AfD discussion in the deletion log). If you want to see the content of a deleted article, you can make a request at WP:DRV (Wikipedia:Deletion review). --ais523 13:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I am happy that I met you here

		The Civility Barnstar
		I award this barnstar to Tarif Ezaz because of his amazing ability to make his every comment read like a best friend talking. Also because I am jealous of his abilities to inspire a feeling of wellness in people. I am so happy that I met him here. Aditya Kabir 14:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to wait till the end of the FAC to show my appreciation, but couldn't wait any more. When that happens I guess I'll have a binge of awarding people with all sorts of barnsatrs. But, before that happens I wanted to make a special gift to you. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 14:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Nice Work!

Thank you for your kind message. Just like you, I'm also a HSC student (except a different HSC!) and shouldn't be very active on Wikipedia at the moment. I have decided to not write any FAs because of the times taken up in research and writing so I decided just to copyedit articles until then. Even though I had no knowledge of the Language Movement before I saw this page (I of course knew about the Liberation War) FA'ing this article would mean so much to me. I believe we should unofficially dedicate this soon-to-be FA to User:Rama's Arrow, who was a wonderful role model for Wikipedians aspiring to write FAs from Indian, Bangladesh and Pakistan. The eleven FAs he helped write will not be forgotten. As he says, The memory will never die. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 22:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Ark (Bangladeshi band)

A tag has been placed on Ark (Bangladeshi band), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. --Finngall ^talk 22:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

(shrug) The article had no references and therefore no more evidence of notability than dozens of articles on non-notable American bands that get speedily deleted here every day. There's nothing that says the article can't be recreated, but just like everything else here, the information needs to be verifiable. With regard to the speed of the tagging and deletion, well, speedy deletion means just that--speedy. Sometimes it's speedier than others, but there's no obligation on anybody's part to wait. Like most articles that I tag, I ran across it via the new page list--by definition these articles are going to be a few minutes old at most, but it's the easiest way to catch the spam, the vandalism, the nonsense, and the other crud. This is not to say the article was as bad as all that, but it did meet the criteria, so I tagged it. Hope this helps. Take care, and happy editing. --Finngall ^talk 22:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: What's the problem

FAs can take a long time at times. It all depends upon the closing admins. Saying all that I must admit that I too am getting a little fidgety over the issue. Besides, I am still not too happy about the copy. At least one of Kyoko's issues (context) has not been satisfactorily solved, and Mark's oppose is still there on the FAC page. May be Dwaipayan would have a better answer. Right now I am editing from a very broken laptop with a very unreliable wireless connection. May be you can get all three of them (the people mentioned) plus people like Ragib, DaGizza and Bakaman to do something about it. At Wikipedia, all you need to get help is to scream for help. Unlike the real world, here be mostly helpful people around. Aditya Kabir 03:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, the bangla book is not a problem. It is rather a source of strength, as it shows the article depended on hard sources, not just websites. The reference problem is all but removed from the article now, but earlier it had a lot of information without proper in-line citation. The problem that remains now is almost entirely about the copy:

• Long snaking sentences
• Awkward choice of words or phrasing
• Difficult flow of prose
• Repeatation of the ssame word over and over
• Verbose construction
• And, above all, not all contexts are provided when introducing a name or a concept

I have seen FAs that don't do much better language-wise, but that's no excuse for not having brilliant prose. May be you give the copyedit a hand. Before that you could try going through Tony's tips and Andy's tips. You see, Mark has not removed his oppose yet. Aditya Kabir 11:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Tarif

Please, let me start by telling you, your message was charming, and your invitation so gracious, that i can't possibly decline it :) It is both an honor and a pleasure that you deem me and appropriate contributor to the excellent artcile you're writing, along with other excellent editors like my friend Kyoko. I must confess to you, time is a fleeting commodity for me these days, for personal reasons; but you have my solemn word that I'll do my best to help; if not contributing content, then at least proofreading and copyediting.
It's a pleasure to meet you, dear Tarif, and I'm sure this is but the beginning of a long, beautiful friendship, for nothing would please me and honor me more. Have a beautiful weekend! :) Love, Phaedriel - 22:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)--Phaedriel 22:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Hi Tarif, thanks for the encouragement! I'd love for the Language Movement article to become an FA. Hopefully with everybody's efforts, the article will make it. I thought I'd mention to you that I've been thinking about Editor at Large's comments on the article title, and I'm beginning to agree that the article might be better named as "Bangladesh Language Movement" or perhaps "Language Movement of Bangladesh". I'll leave my thoughts on either the article talk page or the FAC page about this. I hope you're doing well! --Kyoko 09:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like some feedback from other editors before moving the article. If the article is indeed moved to one or the other name, then the introductory paragraph will have to be changed, as in "The Bangladesh Language Movement or simply Language Movement was a political movement...". --Kyoko 16:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi there, I am here with an inviation for you. We are going to arrange a meeting of the Wikipedians living in Dhaka City. For details see: http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/উইকিপেডিয়া:সম্মিলন/ঢাকা_১. It would be very nice if you can join us. We shall talk about the advancement measures of Bangla Wikipedia there. It will be held on the office of BdOSN (Click here for address) on 14th instant. Feel free to join. We will be waiting. The program will start on 4:00pm. -- Hermitage17 02:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool, this meeting sound good. Do participate there. --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to Tarif Ezaz. We will be waiting for you. Hope to meet there. Also thanks to Dwaipayanc for cheering us. -- Hermitage17 11:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikilink dates

Per WP:DATES, all the dates containing a date and a month (that is a numerical date and the name of a month) should be wikilinked. This is to allow Reader's date preference to aork.

Regarding those instances where there is a date, month and year, WP:DATE suggests to link date and month together (as above) and the year separately. However, I usually do not link the year (unless linking is needed for some other reason, such as the year is significant. An example is 1947 in articles related to India's freedom movement). No body has so far objected not linking of years (in several FACs I've been through).

So, my suggestion is to wikilink all date with month, and not to link the year. If the year need to be linked for some other reason, then only link it. Same strategy has been followed for the retrieval date of the citations. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)