User talk:Sweeneytimer/Gordon Eckler

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because the subject is a widely respected investor and new sources are being added by users (your reason here) --Sweeneytimer (talk) 10:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I am wondering if you have any connection with Eckler as this page is looking very promotional, including a spam link or two. I have changed the reason for requesting the speedy on that basis. Harry the Dog WOOF 10:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

OK== Contested deletion ==

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because all of the statements are cited as fact and verified by third party news sources and government websites. I have no connection to the subject other than I follow him on Twitter and read an investment letter of his leaked online.

The subject is actually very media shy since 2010 and regularly denies interview requests. --Sweeneytimer (talk) 10:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how many references there are (and some of the references on this article are highly questionable) but if the article is promotional in tone, especially when there is questionable notability involved, it will be deleted if it cannot be fixed. Doesn't look media shy to me given the spammy links that you have posted, and his presence on things like Twitter. It looks to me like he is very good at self-promotion. But Wikipedia is not the place for it. Harry the Dog WOOF 10:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Which references are "highly questionable"? Which links are "spammy"? One is a government website the others are programs and minutes from conferences the subject spoke at. Most notable people under the age of 40 are on Twitter as a form of dialog not promotion. I will update the article to include other sources from newspapers and trade journals. --Sweeneytimer (talk) 10:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I removed one that was simply a link to a get-rich-quick- scheme. The World of Trade one lists him as an afterthought in a description of two others who are the main speakers - hardly "a keynote guest speaker and panelist". The NFA one is his listing. That doesn't support notability. The first one is his father's obituary. Again, doesn't show notability. That leaves the Timothy Sykes link which is pretty spammy but does show that he spoke at an event. One speaking engagement does not equal notability. Harry the Dog WOOF 11:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

There are several other media links I am adding however I keep having to respond to messages on this talk page. The program to be linked lists him as the main speaker above two others actually. Please be patient as this article develops as others have described on your user page as "To quick on the draw on Speedy Deletion" --Sweeneytimer (talk) 11:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Your actions and those of the other editor (whose main contribution to Wikipedia seems to be removing the speedy tag on this page) definitely point to promotion. Harry the Dog WOOF 13:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)