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Nice to see someone else monitoring ship articles for vanity references (USS Simpson, for example). If you really enjoy working on military articles, you'd probably really enjoy joining the Military History WikiProject. Just sign your name as a participant on the main page and if you like, you can choose from the ever-growing list of different task forces (Maritime, US MilHist, WWII, etc.) and add your name to those, too. You don't really have to do a whole lot if you don't have the time, but participation in the discussions is always helpful. And we don't cover just history--we do everything up to the present. Pretty much anything to do with military (other than fictional stuff I think) is in the pervue of the Project. I don't know that we have a whole lot of Naval personnel on this project, so your inclusion would be an asset. Plus, it'll give you something to do if you're ever bored while sitting in the desert. :-) --ScreaminEagle 22:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, great that you joined. And let's hear it for Msties everywhere! I saw one a month ago that made me laugh so hard I cried: The Girl in Gold Boots. I highly recommend it if you haven't seen it.

Yes, you're right about the individual editing the USS Simpson article. Another WPMH member, Nobunaga24 (who is also up for assistant coordinator for the Project right now--feel free to vote for him if you think he'd do a good job), has been battling this particular editor for some time now. Here's part of the advice he gave to me when I ran across this fellow's edits:

"The USS Simpson - the greatest, most important warship ever." I see you are taking on David Jason Silver, amateur wrestler extrordinaire, super-duper Balkan War veteran (who never left his ship while monitoring a peace treaty, so how he is a veteran of a land war I have no idea). Be prepared for tons of frustration - he is absolutely oblivious to any suggestion you make to him. He is living in a fantasy world where his naval service (2 years apparently) was the most important thing that ever happened in the history of the United States Navy. He has made a mess of articles by not ever using the preview button - he literally (I counted) had over 100 edits in a row on the USS Simpson article. Every time he changes the location of a comma, he hits "save page." He has made a mess of every article he has touched."

I think we may need a David Jason Silver Task Force before too long, given the time and effort it takes to follow him around and correct his edits. He's usually uses the same IP addresses, but he also uses the handle Harvardlaw (I have no idea why he picked that since he never went there and is certainly not a lawyer). Oh, and be careful--he's been known to vandalize user pages, too. So good luck with that, and welcome to the club! --ScreaminEagle 16:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

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re:Doug Basham

A few things:

1. Discussion forums are not reliable, and are often breeding grounds for vandalism, misinformation and rumors.
2. I'm not sure if a yearbook has enough verifiability. There is no picture of this yearbook or any other website outside Wikipedia (other than that one discussion forum) that could say that it was his name.
3. I'm not saying your lying, but Wikipedia has to be sure of things being properly cited and/or copyright approved.
4. I think if you ask for a response on this particular situation at WP:AN, you could get a more accurate response from our administrators. — Moe Epsilon 21:44 September 14 '06

List of unincorporated towns in Virginia

Just curious, but where did you find references regarding the unincorporated towns? I live in the Hampton Roads/Tidewater area (Chesapeake for the last two years), and I cannot find any references to these being unincorporated towns. All real estate deeds, maps, etc etc ad infinitum refer to the city proper (Chesapeake vice Great Bridge, Virginia Beach vice Kempsville). Locals refer to the area by community name, owing back to the days prior to city incorporation, but that is for historical reference and community pride vice any legal entity. Even the wikipedia entry for Great Bridge lists it as a community. I wanted to touch base with you first before I remove those entries.

Supersquid 23:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

By definition, unincorporated towns are not legal entities. None of the other towns on the list are legal entities either. You are correct that they are communities and as Wikipedia notes, a town is a "a residential community of people ranging from a few hundred to several thousands." It's just that the word community is extremely vague ("a group of people who interact and share certain things as a group") and the word town narrows the scope of the list to populated places that are not in the incorporated places lists at List of towns in Virginia and List of cities in Virginia. -  AjaxSmack  23:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ehhh that seems like a really slippery slope... if it isn't a city or incorporated town, then it's an unincorporated town, is what I take from that. Heh, then that list is woefully incomplete, because it leaves out places like Pungo, Blackwater, Uniontown, Back Bay, North Landing, Centerville... and these are just the places around where I live :-)

But I disagree that they're towns. They may have been (I know Pungo was) but in 1963 the entire county of Princess Anne was consolidated as the Independent City of Virginia Beach. In fact, if you read further down on the definition of town, in Virginia it states

In Virginia, a town is an incorporated municipality similar to a city (though with a smaller required minimum population), but while cities are by Virginia law independent of counties, towns are contained within a county.

By that definition, since Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, Suffolk, Newport News, Hampton, and Portsmouth are all independent cities with no corresponding county, the communities in the list are not unincorporated and therefore shouldn't be on the list.

Supersquid 00:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

The passage you cite above refers to incorporated towns, i.e. those on the List of towns in Virginia. You're right that the list is woefully incomplete. That's why there's a {{Virginia-stub}} tag at the bottom. The solution is to add Pungo, Blackwater, Whaleyville, etc. to the list. Otherwise, by your reasoning, the entire list should be deleted because none of the places on it are incorporated. (If you're worried about the list becoming too long, note the dearth of editing activity since its creation. If it does become a problem, the line "list of important population centers" is a green light to cull.) -  AjaxSmack  00:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

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Navy Ratings

Hey the Aircrew badge you retagged is the Officers badge not the enlisted version. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 06:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey man I'm up to late and missing stuff. My Bad I dont know what in the world I'm saying never mind thanks for the help.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 06:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No just a buff my grandfather was in the Navy and would sit for hours and hours and tell me tons of stories. So I got my obsession honestly.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 06:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

hey do you have the insignia for the disestablished and changed ratings? I don't like how its missing the images plus I think I want it to look like the rest of the page.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 07:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I already had that idea too and I'm a graphics designer and I can tell you right now with those small res pictures there is no way me or anyone else could pull the background out and them look good. as for the Black and white insignia I think the page would look better if we just left them off especially as both of the reviews I have looking at it don't like the black pictures. and ill get the FMF badge up there in a sec.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 07:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

oh one more thing I think we can find better images of the black background ones. if nothing else a white background. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 07:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Give me your opinion one something I think that FMF, SCW, EWS, and IUSS all need to go under a restricted warfare heading jut like the Special Warfare.--07:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I found a couple (Dolphins and Air Warfare) so thats just a couple left. As for the misc. badges from what I can tell there classified under "Restricted Warfare" I'm going to do some digging but I'm gonna drop them under there for now.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 08:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey man great work it looks so much better. I have a few things to do but this evening I'm gonna fix the wording and finishe the table layout and add more summary's the other thing is all the images need valid sourcing information I think it would bee better if the sourcing had it own header on the image page. It were gonna get this thing up to featured list wehave to make sure nobody can shoot holes in it. Anyway ill talk to you later this evening.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 19:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

One thing on List vs article; either way its probably gonna get classifed as a list by wikipedia standards. I do agree with the history though and the people that I have spoken to regarding getting the list featured also reccommended it. I think putting the history of the ratings at the beginning and then a small intro to each class is a great idea. As for sourceing I'll find a good example of what I'm talking about and get it to you. Were also lacking references on the warfare insignia and the first rule of FA-Class Articles or lists is to provided referrences for damn near everything. I hated having to put all those red links in there but we dont stand much choice getting a better rating (no pun intended) on the list if they arent there, red or not. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 06:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

This is an example of an image with an acceptable source and info summary.

File:060608-N-6501M-003.jpg

Hello again, I update the source information for every rating and badge except for a couple that you uploaded last night I dont know where the came from they are: Surface Warface pin, Jumpwings, Combat Craft Crewman, basic parachute, Diver, Master Diver, EOD, or Sonar. Anyway so you will either have to update them or if you tell me where they came from I would be happy to do it. let me know--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 09:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm worried there is going to be a problem with the Warfare qualification section in the first place. Technically its not part of the rating structure there seperate quailifcations and since they already have their own list of Navy badges and insignia were going to run into a huge issue with whats called content forking so once it goes up for review there is a chance that they will want it removed. We need to have a good argument for it being in two places. I'm rewording the opening and writing some history now. See if you can find anything on the History of each category not the specific rating just the heading its under. That way it will have a intro to each heading. Oh and I'll fix the source information on those files.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 13:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah i pulled the disestablished one down because it was bugging me not looking like the rest. I think we should be able to find the old one somewhere.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 13:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey man looks like I finished I have got it to the point that we can submit it for featured I'm going to remove the Warfare sections since one we don't have good uncopyrighted images, two, there not really ratings, and three it's technically content forking from the Navy badges page so that will most likly make it fail. I'm going to create a Enlisted warfare insignia page or something along those lines that we wont try to get featured so we dont have to worry about forking. Oh and if you look i created articles for every rating as well, took me forever but still. anywaylet me know if you see any problems. I hope you dont mind on the warfare stuff but I have a couple of people that think it will get us a lot of greef on featured review.

Oh and below is something for you.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 17:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

So what do you think of the new layout and changes?--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 11:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

reference

Hey I need a reference for this statement it doesn't have to be perfect it just need to generally be about this.

“ Also included in a sailor's rating is any "warfare qualification" earned. Obtaining such a qualification requires mastering a specified set of skills and information. For example, if Yeoman First Class Smith has earned his enlisted submarine qualification, his title would be "YN1(SS) John Smith". If Smith has multiple qualifications, they are stacked; i.e., additional qualifications in surface warfare would give him the title: "YN1(SS/SW) John Smith". While it may be possible to one day be "YN1(SS/SW/AW/NAC/SEAL/FPJ/MDV/EWS/SWCC/SCWS/IUSS/FMF) John Smith, it is highly unlikely; to date, the most designators earned by a single sailor is six. ”

Thanks

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		This Barnstar of Diligence is awarded to Supersquid for his outstanding efforts and assistance with the expansion of the List of United States Navy ratings Presented by WilsBadKarma (Talk/Contribs) 17:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Navy Rate

Hey man, I know the page United States Navy enlisted rate insignia bugged the crap out of you so I figured you would like the changes. I made all those rate patches and change out the collar devices to newer hier res ones. let me know what you think.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 11:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I wasn't to crazy about the collar devices but thats all I could find I would much rather to have a gold version.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 05:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ill fix the layout and as for the SCPO dont worry about it you look I'm making all new collar insignia so ill fix that little problem. I already have the CPO collar device up there already if you want to look. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 08:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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And thanks to you

I was getting a little worried. I hadn't heard from you in a while but I didn't want to jinx it with a "are you ok" message. I'm working on a couple of things List of United States Navy staff corps, United States Navy enlisted rate insignia, and List of United States Navy Carrier air wings. I'm just really starting on them but I would like to get them to Featured list status. Keep your head down.— WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 15:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

United States Navy enlisted rate insignia

Hello, I made some major changes to the layout of the article and I also created a seperate article for the Coast Guard so I could get rid of all the references on there to them. It still needs tons of work but take a look and tell me what you think. — WilsBadKarma ^(Talk) 04:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Good evening, I'm in need of reference material for noncom responsibilities and by the way I have looked everywhere for reference to the whole First Class and Chiefs mess paragraphs and can't find anything plus I see where ERCheck couldn't find anything either and I know him he's as good as I am at finding obscure info, so we need to make a decision if we don't turn up anything soon as to whether or not we leave it in.— WilsBadKarma ^(Talk) 01:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Chief's Mess

Thanks for you inquiry on my talk page concerning the reference to the Chief's Mess in United States Navy enlisted rate insignia . However, I did not add the material. (See this difference.) It was added by 198.80.153.10 at 17:56, 25 January 2007. It is not something that I can speak to. I did try to see if there were any online references that might provide some information to the point; but, I didn't find anything. — ERcheck (talk) 01:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I had made the edit immediately preceding that addition. Now, I am curious if that is indeed the case. — ERcheck (talk) 12:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

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please dont vandalize the main page

as you did recently by reverting my useful edits.
i understand that you must feel intimidated by someone as important as myself, but please don't let that jealousy stand in the way of constructive editing. Takes Acorah to Know Acorah 03:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The dude seriously needs to put the bong down... SERIOUSLY.

Supersquid 03:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_enlisted_rates

Hey, some twit Speedy Deleted the PO collar devices on the Enlisted Rates page. Do you happen to have any good images, cause I made those but I seriously don't think I still have them now. Since its been almost a year. Anyway if not I'll try to find my versions and if all else fails I'll just make some. :) Cheers — WilsBadKarma ^(Talk) 02:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I would say throw something up there but I wouldnt want to take away from the page with a BuPers Image. So I suppose in all my free time I'll try to make some. Cheers — WilsBadKarma ^(Talk) 14:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)