Stramput

Re:Herzegovina

The map you are inserting features maximally expanded POV borders at the expense of Bosnia, while the original map represents conservative consensus borders. So that is why your map is and will be rejected. As for the "Zachlumia" flag, there are no reliable sources to indicate that this was ever the flag of Zachlumia. As a matter of fact, there is no flag ever historically recorded to have been used by Zachlumia in the early Middle Ages. That flag is of the Bileća municipality, based on the coat of arms of the Kosaca noble family that ruled in the late Middle Ages. In addition, there is not any evidence either that this flag was used as the "official" flag of the Duchy of Herzegovina, which by the way is not in any sort of continuity with Zachlumia. Please understand, the two are separate historical entities separated by several centuries. Your edits are therefore misleading and anachronistic. Moreover, you seem to use sock puppets to enforce your edits. Please refrain from this behavior. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 18:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

There is no problem with "neutral view" here. You should ask yourself the same. The commonly accepted borders of Herzegovina are the Maglic mountain to the east and the Ivan mountain to the north. Your map, whose borders are controversial, enlarges Herzegovina eastward to even include Rudo. This is not the common appreciation of contemporary Herzegovina. The flag insisted by you is merely a modern-day adaptation of one single part of the coat of arms of the Kosaca noble family, today used as the "flag" of the Bileca municipality. You are, however, encouraged to insert the Kosaca coat of arms with a proper caption describing it as such, and not as the supposed, "flag of Zachlumia". The history of Zachlumia and later Herzegovina is extremely versatile and characterized by a vigorous "ethnic" and geopolitical fluidity. There did not exist any uniform and consistent sense of identity in the region, with various noble families - with little to no common sense of identity - merely swapping control of the region frequently. The Kosaca family and the "Duchy of Herzegovina" is merely one such instance of many in the region's history. There is no comparison with Bosnia, which represents an undisputed statehood and a wholly different level of consistency with regard to name and tradition. There is of course never any "perfect" continuity between modern-day states and their historical predecessors, however compared to Serbia, for example, which ceased to exist for more than half a millennium and whose borders have fluctuated wildly, Bosnia retained its name and territorial integrity as the Sanjak of Bosnia and the Eyalet of Bosnia during Ottoman times. In fact Bosnia enjoyed a high level of autonomy during this era, which inarguably links "pre-Ottoman" Bosnian statehood with today's Bosnia. This is however besides the point as we are discussing Herzegovina. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 19:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)