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August 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Detroit Dragons, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. • Gene93k (talk) 19:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}}I am listed on wikipedia, and would like to know how I can keep other people from adding information about me onto that page without my consent? If this is not possible I would like to know how I can get all information off of wikipedia and keep it off. Thanks.

Hello stick2700. I suggest you carefully read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help. The short answers to your questions is that you cannot keep other people from editing the article, and you probably can't have the article deleted either, but you were correct in all respects to remove the unsourced negative material that you did. If after reading the page I linked you still have questions, please seek help again.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

October 2018

Hello, I'm Zackmann08. Thank you for your recent contributions to Joe Kolodziej. I noticed that when you added the image to the infobox, you added it as a thumbnail. In the future, please do not use thumbnails when adding images to an infobox (see WP:INFOBOXIMAGE). What does this mean? Well in the infobox, when you specify the image you wish to use, instead of doing it like this:

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Instead just supply the name of the image. So in this case you can simply do:

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There will then be a separate parameter for the image caption such as |caption=Some image caption. Please note that this is a generic form message I am leaving on your page because you recently added a thumbnail to an infobox. The specific parameters for the image and caption may be different for the infobox you are using! Please consult the Template page for the infobox being used to see better documentation. Thanks! Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 18:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

April 2022

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Joe Kolodziej. Thank you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Stick2700. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Joe Kolodziej, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Your recent edits could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content, not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

When trying to follow dispute resolution in the past, you ignored the request. There is no threat being made. My father and I are completely within our legal rights to defend ourselves against false information being published here or anywhere else. My father as a resident of Poland has other legal rights pertaining to accurate information as well. Stick2700 (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Kolodziej

I placed a notification at the WP:Teahouse discussion about this but since you were a major contributor to the article I wanted to personally notify you of the AfD discussion. Link is in the title of this section. --ARoseWolf 14:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm very sorry that slanderous things have been said about your father and even more so if it made it on the pages of this encyclopedia. I can imagine they were very hurtful at the time and still are. I can't help what happened then. I can only offer advice on the article as it is now before us. I am not hostile towards you or your father. I am indifferent when it comes to your father's notability. It either is or isn't based on policy. But, I am empathetic towards your desire to protect your father and his legacy. Maybe I am 10 years too late to matter in the prior discussions but I am here now. Cullen gave you excellent advice on sources not found online and the fact they can be cited. Please take a look at that and see if you can find any newspaper clippings or printed articles. --ARoseWolf 16:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I tried responding to Cullen, and it wont let me. I will restore and continue to add citations. If in a few days its not good enough, then by all means delete it. But there had better be some mechanism to keep another page from being made by someone else again. My fathers name is Joseph and not Joe, he has never gone by Joe outside of our family. Even the title of the page does not accurately reflect him. Wiki has ruined lives of people because anyone can make things up and post them or create a page. Wiki has an obligation to protect people if they want to inform people. Stick2700 (talk) 16:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Do not restore your version of the article - besides the problems with a conflict of interest (WP:COI), you would be starting up an edit war (WP:WAR). Use the talk page to suggest edits, and include your sources.

Newspaper articles are great sources; all we need is the publication name, article title, publication date, etc., so they can be looked up in newspaper archives.

Other Wikipedia articles or internet databases like Hockeydb are not good sources, since their content is user generated. Links to websites of organizations affiliated with your father are not good sources, since they are not independent. Press releases are also not independent. I really recommend that you read Wikipedia:Reliable sources - it's long, but you'll have a much better idea of what we're looking for. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I would either clarify or strike the comment you made about tracing the IP of a Wikipedia editor and sending law enforcement after them. Trust me on this, that's not something to say or do lightly as it can easily backfire. If you want me to strike through it for you then just tell me here and I'll do it but you'll have to clarify your statement if it isn't stricken. --ARoseWolf 17:08, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

HockeyDb and Elite prospects are not user generated. See, you have no idea what you are talking about. These sites are the "bibles" for hockey research in almost irrefutable. Any news site affiliated or owned by my father is the largest news source and most trusted news source in the junior hockey world, none others come even close.

As for tracing the IP, its been done, and its been reported to the Police. People who do these things deserve to have exactly the attention they obviously desire. People think they can just get away with things because their real name is not on them, and that is a problem. Nameless faceless cowards should never be allowed to attack other people.

Backfire? What, by having Wiki people upset? I do not care about Wiki people or their opinions. They have done nothing until today. My father and I do not take online harassment lightly, after more than a decade of it, you wouldn't either. Let me be clear, and with respect, I do not care about an edit war. This person in North Carolina started the edit war. You got involved when another newbie took it upon themselves to get involved who had never been involved before. Until today, this page was quiet. I did not create the noise or the problems, the anonymous person and the newbie did. I am simply correcting what you and Wiki has asked to be corrected. Stick2700 (talk) 17:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

You're free to ignore Wikipedia's rules. The consequence will be having your editing privileges removed by an administrator such as Cullen328, who responded to you at the Teahouse. If you'd prefer not to work to fix the article via the talk page and simply want to see it deleted, then doing nothing will probably accomplish that, as the discussion is tending that way. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Look, I began adding citations. As requested. I would have replied directly to Cullen328 but he disabled the reply ability. It is not a matter of ignoring the rules. It is a matter of fair treatment for everyone. I am being attacked by Wiki members for doing what was asked. I gave my identification, and none of you give yours. This is a very one sided set of rules. Stick2700 (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

No one is required to give any form of identification except to declare that they have a conflict of interest if one exists. I do not have a COI with your father's article. You do have one, which you didn't mention until today. Technically you should put a declaration on your user page, but we can probably ignore that bit of red tape for now.

I've already tried to explain that the sources you added were not usable. We need "reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy," especially in a biography of a living person. Unsourced/poorly sourced negative information should be removed - which you've very rightly been doing - but unsourced/poorly sourced positive information should also be removed. That's how we try to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia. It's a difficult and ongoing process, but there are people here who believe very strongly that it's worthwhile, and who are willing to help if asked. The Teahouse is one place to find such people - that's why the article has gotten so much attention today, because someone posted asking for help to bring the article in line with our policies. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I am editing. I will be sourcing. But in hockey, you really need to know what is a credible source and what is not. Wiki people clearly do not know the difference when it comes to this niche sport. For example, hockeydb.com and eliteprospects.com are the absolute authorities on 90% of all hockey, and ARoseWolf thinks they are sources of user information, when users can not edit their information and anything there has to be verified through league records. These are irrefutable sources. Wiki may be knowledgeable about many things, here though, clearly Wiki people are out of their depth. It will take a few days, but the edits, and citations will be made. If its removed then so be it. I guarantee though someone else will start a new page at some point, it happens all the time on other sites dedicated to the sport. If you look at the edit history, you will see, only a few people disagree with anything that was placed there. Those people are largely non existent on any other Wiki page, and typically just disappear. When people do not challenge information 90% of the time, maybe its because the information is correct and can not be challenged. Stick2700 (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

The folks at WP:WikiProject Ice Hockey are quite knowledgeable and could help sort out the sources. I've already warned you about editing the article; if you refuse to listen, I guess there's nothing else I can do. Good luck. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Hockeydb.com can not be used to prove notability. They maintain a database on every hockey player that ever grabbed a stick and struck a puck on the ice. The eliteprospects website can't be retrieved therefore it is not verifiable. It is a dead link. You have had more than a decade to update the article without our knowledge that you were directly linked to the subject and yet it has only had the two citations since it's inception. Many other editors have conducted their own WP:BEFORE search and concluded there is nothing online that contributes to notability and as this is an article on Wikipedia it doesn't really matter what any other "experts" say. The Wikimedia Foundation owns these articles, not the subjects or their offspring, and anything written within the articles is covered under a free license and must meet Wikipedia standards, not your own. Many editors have tried to offer you sound advice today. It is your choice as to whether you will accept that advice and follow policy. How about stop blaming other people that have pointed out these errors and go to the article talk page and propose information to add then provide proper reliable sources in accordance with Wikipedia policy for that information. What you have been doing is just as bad as those that added slanderous information to the article. There is no difference in the eyes of Wikipedia. Unsourced is unsourced and a WP:BLP violation either way. --ARoseWolf 19:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/6378/joe-kolodziej No problem retrieving the page at all. Even this, though accurate is incomplete. Not user submitted. Hockeydb and Elite Prospects do not keep records of every player who ever touched the ice. Records are generated electronically by verified leagues meeting specific criteria of importance. Bots from these sites then crawl those league sites for updated information daily. While people on Wiki commenting may be experts on Wiki, none are experts on hockey, or specifically this niche area of hockey.

These issues, would not have come up if Wiki had better control of what is done on Wiki by people who later can run from it. For instance, the person who began this is now sending emails to my father laughing about editing the page and wanting to do more, all from an email address that is of course new and nearly untraceable. This same person using a phone number masking program is also leaving voicemail messages. It is harassment, and it is illegal.

So when I go through other pages now, and see unsourced information, specifically on hockey, people, leagues, teams and other Items, those should be deleted? Even when I as a reader, and someone who has been around the game my whole life, who has information and personal knowledge of those facts to be true? Not everything that happens in ice hockey, or sport for that matter is published in a news paper, or on line. Some things, predate the internet in this sport. Some local news sources that could have verified facts either don't maintain archives from 40 years ago, or do not exist any longer.

My points being, this page has been maintained accurately, though admittedly not studiously as it could be. It should be can can be updated. This will take time. Wiki can either allow that to take place, or delete the page. Stick2700 (talk) 03:03, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Every fact - the current short version or any longer version - must be verified by a reference. Given your personal connection to JK, you are limited to proposing changes on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 00:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Things will be referenced. Unfortunately I do not have time to both reference and post and return to talk or all the other things that Wiki people seem to have time for. I will make changes and reference them over time. If a few days to a week or so can not be given, then just delete the page. Stick2700 (talk) 03:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

If the article is deleted it does not mean it can not be recreated but if it is recreated then it must be referenced at the time of creation or it will be deleted again. That is as much for any IP that tries to do it as it is for you. Please take what David has said, and the advice of others, to heart and understand that we are not your enemy here. I do not actively go looking for articles to delete and especially not on hockey. I only ran across this at the Teahouse because I am a host there. But when I am faced with an article written like the one about your father I have to take action rather than turn away if I am going to be honest. I actively went looking for published sources hoping to find something I could use to improve the article and keep it. That's just who I am. But If you can not find a published source then it can't be included. That's why Wikipedia has a lot of stubs and they will stay stubs until there is published sources that tell us more. It's also why a lot of articles get deleted every day. That's just the way it is. And I think you are seeing that it's not always great to have an article on Wikipedia but if there is one and it doesn't meet our standards chances are, eventually, it will either be improved or deleted with the chance it can be recreated when there are reliable sources. We've taken up enough of each others time but it was worth it on my end. I don't want to walk away from this with you feeling bitter or upset. I'll leave you with a quote from a person I have come to admire that is no longer with us here, "A Wikipedia article does not make something good (insert truth here). The absence of an article does not make something bad (insert false here)." That helped me and changed my perspective of Wikipedia. --ARoseWolf 12:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Here are your facts with sources. More sources coming. If Hockeydb and Eliteprospects are not accptable, then you need to eliminate all of the links from those sources on all your hockey pages. Another point of reference; Craig MacTavish while convicted of a manslaughter while driving, and it is written about on his page, there is no reference outside of the comments that verify this. While we all in the hockey world know its true, there are no publications to support the fact, yet it is still allowed. There are thousands of statements like this throughout Wiki. Fair treatment is what you preach, fair treatment is expected.

Joseph Kolodziej is the CEO of Hockey Holdings Group Inc., a corporation registered in the United States and Europe.

Hockey Holdings Group owns, and/or operates many brands in junior hockey today. Including; The Junior Hockey News, Pre Draft Combine, Hockey Talent Management, the Draft Guide, P.A.S.S. scouting software, U18 Hockey, U16 Hockey, and Central Scouting Services.

Kolodziej grew up playing hockey, soccer and American Football in Western New York. Playing ice hockey experience included AAA hockey in Western New York, Junior B in Ontario Canada, University hockey in the United States and a few brief stints in minor professional hockey in the United States and Europe.

Since his playing days ended, Kolodziej has held several leadership positions in professional as well as junior hockey. Today, based upon his ownership of The Junior Hockey News, and his player representation through Hockey Talent Management garnering more than twelve thousand followers on social media in this very niche market, he is widely considered one of the most influential people in junior hockey throughout North America.

In 1995 Hockey Talent Management was founded by Kolodziej. A player services company. Over the years this company has evolved to represent some of the top amateur hockey players in North America with a focus on those players preparing for NCAA opportunities.

In 2002 Kolodziej was the Free Agent Camp Director for the Atlantic Coast Hockey League. A professional league based in the South Eastern United States.

In 2003 Kolodziej developed the "Hockey Combine" business concept and founded the Pre Draft Combine. In 2003 the Pre Draft Combine was operated for the South East Hockey League, which in 2005 became the Southern Professional Hockey League and still exists today. The Pre Draft Combine was the creation of a completely new business segment within ice hockey. That concept is now imitated by many other companies and teams throughout the world.

In 2003 Kolodziej participated with the Detroit Red Wings training camp as an amateur scout and evaluator in Traverse City.

In 2004 participated with NHL Atlanta Thrashers training camp as amateur scout and drafted player evaluator in Traverse City.

In 2008 participated with the Columbus Blue Jackets NHL Rookie Tournament as an amateur scout and evaluator in Traverse City.

Kolodziej was an executive of the Battle Creek Revolution All American Hockey League (2008-2009), known as the All American Hockey Association (AAHA), during the 2008-2009 season, and he was named Executive of the Year by the AAHA for the 2008-2009 season. From November 2008 to December 2009, he was part of the ownership group of the Battle Creek Revolution.

After being credited By The Battle Creek Enquirer December 19, 2008 for saving the Battle Creek Revolution from insolvency as part of a new ownership group, moving them on to the AAHL Championship series, and as a key member of developing the first ever hockey franchise in Evansville, Indiana, Kolodziej was named executive of the year. Recently coming out of retirement, he played in three games for the Chicago Blaze.

During the 2010-2011 season Kolodziej was General Manager of the CJHL's Alpena Thunder. The Thunder joined the CJHL after the NJHL folded weeks before the start of the season. Kolodziej then put together a schedule featuring ACHA teams and captured the CJHL Championship with a record of 29-11-1. The Thunder were the first ever Amateur Athletic Union sanctioned junior hockey team in the United States.

In 2011 Kolodziej purchased The Junior Hockey News. TJHN was a a failed publication based in Las Vegas. Purchasing the publication, and redeveloping the way it published news, TJHN is now the most popular source for news in the niche of junior hockey.

During the 2012–13 season he served as Team Adviser and Consultant to the Dells Ducks in the Minnesota Junior Hockey League helping them rise from a next to last finish in the 2011-2012 season to finishing third in the regular season with a record of 28-19-0.

In the 2013–14 season Kolodziej was back in the MNJHL serving as the Vice President for the Central Wisconsin Saints. The turn around of the Saints has led them to a second-place finish in the regular season with a record of 31-13-0-2. The Saints were eliminated from the playoffs in the quarter finals.

In 2019 Kolodziej was appointed Polski Związek Hokeja na Lodzie Draft Coordinator by the Polish Hockey League. Seen as a major leap forward for Polish hockey the event was canceled due to the COVID-19 Pandemic of 2020.

In 2020 Kolodziej formed the first ever North American team in Poland named Opole HK. The team was created as an alternative for North American players to continue competing during the COVID-19 pandemic when most Ice Hockey leagues in North America were shut down, or experienced issues due to the pandemic. Named the "Play Safe Stay Safe" program players were isolated from the public all season in order to be able to compete without interruption. Opole HK Competing in the Polish first division for 2020-2021. Taking over as General Manager for Opole HK in October the team finished in second place in the regular season with a 17-4-1 record.

In 2020, due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Kolodziej moved the Pre Draft Combine from Detroit to Traverse City.

In the 2021-2022 season Opole HK joined the EUHL as well as continuing to play in the Polish league. In 2021 Kolodziej folded the club after a team from Gdansk was allowed to sign an over age player, in protest Kolodziej signed his dog to a contract. Kolodziej lead the team to a 10-4-1 start, before folding the team one week after the Gdansk player signing.

As a Team General Manager he has a combined junior and professional record of 114-50-8. Winning the IIHL and CJHL league championships as an executive.

Prior consulting experience in professional hockey would include working with the AHL's Grand Rapids Griffins in their inaugural season, the UHL's Dayton Ice Bandits, and the IHL's Flint Generals. He has also worked with OHL, USHL, NAHL, NCDC, NOJHL, SIJHL and numerous other junior programs throughout North America and Europe. Stick2700 (talk) 12:39, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

References

What you added are external links and those are not allowed in the body of an article. I'll work on making those in line citations and we'll go from there. I need time to go through each one and verify it is connected to what is being stated. --ARoseWolf 12:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate you taking the time. Unfortunately, gathering a lot of this old information is proving very difficult. Archives are behind paywalls in many instances, and some publications have simply disappeared, while others are written in Polish. Anyway, thatnk you for looking at it, as you can tell, it is a sensitive matter because so much has been written in the past that is either untrue or unverified. A person, any public figure, has a right to ensure his or her legacy is secured accurately. Unfortunately my father did not ask for this notability in his work, it follows him no matter what country he is in. I dont know if there is a way to look, but the person who started this editing war is checking the page regularly over the last 24 hours. He has called my father leaving voice mails, and emails filled with material not suitable for any public forum. Stick2700 (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Going through the sources you linked I still don't see enough from secondary sources to make your father notable, perhaps the organizations he was involved in but not him. We need reliable sources that discuss him, that tell us why he is notable. I'll produce a list of the current sources and explain why they do not prove notability based on policy. We need something more and something that is in no way linked to your father that is not just a profile or statistics or company websites. That's why Cullen had the idea about old newspaper clippings that might detail things from a reporter, media or public perspective. That would prove notability. I know it's difficult. There may be a way around a paywall though. You could go to the Resource Exchange and ask if anyone has access to the source. You could also try talking to a hockey Wikiproject too. I'm still looking and I haven't stopped since we first talked yesterday. @David notMD:, is there anything that can be done on Wiki's side as far as the alleged harassment of a subject of our articles by user? I'm not familiar with all of that. --ARoseWolf 13:21, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

We do have folks who can read Polish, so if you just point us in the direction of those sources, they could be usable.

Unfortunately, unless the stalker actually posts on Wikipedia, there's not much we can do on our end. It seems they're using an IP; we can block individual IPs and IP ranges if they misuse the site, but since IPs shift, there are no unfortunately no permanent solutions. Proposals to restrict editing to accounts have been repeatedly made, but always fail. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

You see, most of the people involved in this discussion with you really do care and we empathize with the difficulty you are having. We write articles and have to edit them all the time. I've been frustrated with one for like the past eight months. It's why it's still in draft. My point is we understand the sensitivity. We understand your desire to protect his legacy. What we can't do is make exceptions for you, your father or anyone. If the sources are there then they will surface or we can point you to where you might be able to get help with finding sources. If they can't be found then the article will be deleted and should be. If someone tries to recreate it there will be eyes on it and it will be scrutinized for reliable sources to ensure it presents a neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not the same as it was 10 years ago. It probably won't be the same as it is now in another 10 years. --ARoseWolf 13:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. We could probably make a case that 47.134.6.218's contributions - and especially their edit summaries - are BLP violations and should be revdel'd, but I'm not sure who to contact about that, or whether that would make the family feel any better. It wouldn't stop the e-mails or phone calls. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm concerned that it might make it worse, actually. --ARoseWolf 14:19, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm. Well, maybe if I ping an active admin on the "will handle revdels" list - like Primefac - they can give us some slightly-more-expert advice. Sorry to drag you into the middle of kind of a mess, Primefac. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:27, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The edits by the IP to the article are problematic, but do not rise to the level necessary for an RD2 redaction. Thank you for checking, though. Primefac (talk) 16:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

While I respect your opinion, it is just that, an opinion. Other people opinions will surely be different either lesser or greater. The problem is that it is that opinions, particularly those of the person or people involved are not given the greater weight that they deserve. While hypothetically neutral, Wiki opinions are in the end a product one one persons beliefs, which are never neutral. What may be "problematic" in your mind, may be "unjust" or "highly offensive", or simply "insulting" in another persons opinion. This is exactly the problem with Wiki in general. Everyone wants to be a gatekeeper for information, yet, no rock solid standards subject to peer review are in place. Stick2700 (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The person will eventually be caught. They sent emails and did not disguise the headers, so there is more data that was collected. The phone number was a spoof phone. I understand the collectives arguments. Respectfully, the person, my father or anyone else who is a public figure, has a right to make sure his or her reputation bother personal and professional is protected. While you may think this is not a noteworthy case, the world of junior hockey consists of about 7500 players annually in North America. Then you have staff, and family members, so lets call the number 15,000 for sake of discussion. More than 12000 of those people follow my fathers business social media accounts. He can not go to a hockey game in this niche division of this sport without being recognized. While that can be both good and bad, it creates jealousy, and not everyone likes people to be successful who were once vilified publicly.

Junior hockey is not covered very well by "traditional" press. It has never been. Because it is such a niche sector of the industry, only hockey sites and publications really cover it well. Your other hockey articles reference many of the same sites I have. By your standards, Wikipedia is not a good enough reference point because it is not a traditional source of information, and is not accepted by everyone as being accurate. Your standards for sourcing do not even support Wiki being used as a source. Thats not an argument, it is an observation. The fact is, today, many sources of information are not only factual though they may be obscure, but they may be more factual than any "traditional" media because they took the time to be accurate in their own information gathering.

I know I have been long winded through all of this, and I appreciate your reading. I think it is of particular importance to note that I did not start this page. It was never my intention to do anything but ensure that accurate information is provided. While some of my adjectives could be seen as not being objective, I can accept that criticism. Stick2700 (talk) 16:13, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

You're exactly right. Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for use on Wikipedia, because it does not meet Wikipedia's standards. It's funny but it's true. If - in some distant, enlightened future - we manage to scrub all bad sources and all unsourced material from every existing article, Wikipedia may become a valid source... for the 2.5 seconds until a bored schoolchild on a random IP vandalizes something somewhere. Such is life. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The article has been deleted. If further harassment campaigns take place using Wikipedia as a platform, a post at the Teahouse is a good way to get attention and ask for help. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

With all due respect, I have little motivation to assist or participate with Wiki people based on how this whole chain of events took place and how it was handled. While I appreciate some people's opinions, the bias expressed, and the "know it all" opinions on what is noteworthy and what is not, is simply uninspiring for participation. That said, when another page is created, and someone will, I will once again author truth. Stick2700 (talk) 17:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Would like to point out that these so called "know it all" opinions are actually Wikipedia policy as has been pointed out many, many times and not just merely our opinions. I have no opinion about this subject. However, any "truth" that can not be backed up by sources that Wikipedia determines is reliable and placed in the article in the manner by which Wikipedia policy states it should be then it is unacceptable to be included and will be reverted. Good luck to you wherever you go and in everything you do. --ARoseWolf 14:56, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Again, with all respect. I find all of you at Wiki with superiority complexes. You think you know what is truth or sources when in fact you have no idea and your opinions are completely subjective. Policy is only beneficial when it is precise, and not subject to opinion of non experts in a field. Now after all of this, and having done some reading on Wiki, it is not what it proclaims to be. Inaccurate, and weaponized is what Wiki is. Stick2700 (talk) 15:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)