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Happy editing!

But please note Wikipedia:Naming conventions when you're creating categories (I've been renaming the Pakistan categories that you've been creating), and remember when you add categories to pipe the article name to ensure that it appears correctly in the alphabetisied list (you'll see how other categories are formatted). when you see that you've made a mistake, and so create two categories (as with Category:Mosques of Lahore and Category:Mosques in Lahore), ask to have one delted by an admin (I'd be happy to do it for you) or at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Pakistan freedom fighters

Hey, I'm seriously thinking about putting htis category up for deletion. Not only do I think it's named incorrectly (should be Pakistani) but I believe it's inherently POV. It could be argued over forever whom is a freedom fighter... because the flipside is terrorist, etc. Freedom fighter shows something about this issue. gren グレン 08:11, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Adding Tipu Sultan

If Indians can add Tipu Sultan to their freedom struggle... Pakistan has an equal claim I would imagine on the great man.

I am not sure what a proper name would be... it's inextricably linked to India's freedom... which makes it difficult because are Pakistani freedom fighters as you now put it only the ones fighting against India during the partition or those fighting the British. Not to mention if you count East Pakistan. So... I think it gets sticky. Maybe "Category:Leaders in Pakistani independence" or "Category:Figureheads of Pakistani independence". If I were you I'd go and vote on the deletion of you category and ask what users think of a new category. I'm not really an expert. gren グレン 08:32, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

That's better at least, maybe Leaders of Pakistani indepedence. Not sure why I put in above. Who knows, you should probably ask some other, better users. gren グレン 17:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Muhammad Iqbal

By no stretch of the imagination was Iqbal a freedom fighter. What makes you think that he was? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

We don't need to have a category for everyhting. In this case, the notion you're appealing to is, I think, too vague and open to disagreement to be useful. For example, recent work on his correspondence suggests that Iqbal actually advocated the creation of an Islamic Pakistan as part of an Indian federal state rather than as a separate nation. He thought that a separate Islamic nation was undesirable, as he held to the ideal of a world-wide Muslim community; nevertheless, he held that, at least in the short and medium terms, the only way for Indian Muslims to be able to live according to the tenets of Islam was in such a state. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

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2005 Kashmir earthquake

Indian subcontinent earthquakes list Thank you for your contribution at 2005 Kashmir earthquake. Please keep it up!!! - P R A D E E P Somani (talk) Feel free to send me e-mail.

Copyvios

Please do not copy images without permission. Please do not copy and paste from other websites. They will get deleted. -- RHaworth 11:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Shabbir Sharif

Why did you change the spelling of his name in the article (which is consistent bioth wioth the title and with the external link)? I assume that the image that you added was deleted later; if you up-load an image with correct copyright status, note that it should be in JPEG format. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

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Sorry

Sorry about putting the speedy delete tage on Pakistan earthquake relief - it was an empty article when i put that on - honest mistake. --AMorris (talk)●(contribs) 06:16, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Pakistan earthquake relief

While your sentiments are admirable, Wikipedia is not really the place to post information on donating to relief efforts. For one thing, it would be easy for anyone to change that information to be inaccurate, or to benefit themselves. I suggest contributing to the Relief and aid section of 2005 Kashmir earthquake (checking links, adding or deleting links as appropriate, etc.) tregoweth 07:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Jinnah

Hello I have moved this page to Jinnah (film), please see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Film_titles. Thanks Arniep 13:07, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Information for spasage : Jinnah spelt his name "Mahomed Ali Jinnah" ... If you can visit Lincoln's Inn ... you can check it there. Also... you may want to look at this card Jinnah sent out to commemorate Hussain's martyrdom:

http://www.ya-hussain.com/int_col1/others/1942imgs/majin.htm

Redirects

Generally, an article whose entire content is "The Musik is 24 hour Urdu/English Music Channel" is more of a speedy delete. You categorized it under ARY Digital, that's where I sent it.

A few things: One, please add more content to your articles beyond a single sentence to avoid this sort of thing in the future. This doesn't even say if "The Musik" is a radio station, satellite service, Internet radio or podcast. Second, please don't come to my user page making absolute statements like you did. Finally, if this service, whatever it is, isn't a part of ARY Digital, why put a category link to it in the first place?

If you'd like some assistance in editing, I'm glad to help you. - Lucky 6.9 08:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Pakistani people

Why is this category being removed from everywhere ? Tintin Talk 12:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Because Pakistani People article list is getting crowded. See [1] this, it is full of names. It is getting longer and longer. 12:56, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Tintin Talk 13:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Rfa thanks

Hello Spasage. Thank you for supporting my Rfa! I will try my best to be a good administrator. Please ask me if you need any help. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 17:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your contribution to wikipedia. Spasage 05:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

About MQM

Spasage!

I've updated MQM article today. Whatever I corrected or added, is generally accepted view, and I give proper source of every major event (as you opined). Moreover, I did not touch Opposing views segment of the article, since all has right to express their views as per given rules.

I hope you would read the article properly before reverting the information. And also check over the people distorting the article.

User:M.Imran, 13:50 UTC, January 21, 2006

Bano Qudsia

You modified the article on this. Perhaps you misread the line,which said "Before his death in 2004, she was married to the author Ashfaque Ahmed." which relates to his death, not hers. If you have no issues with it, perhaps you could revert the change MNewnham 15:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Pakistani educators and educationists

AOA, Thanks for your new category. Actually, I also find a reason for "Pakistani educationists" category, becuase it distingues it from merely a list of teachers to people who have done something for the very art of education. --Shaaheen 06:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Is there any difference between educators and educationists? Educators educate, and educationist create and improve ways of learning. Please think of some way to merge these. And also Please when you delete or change some link make sure its active. You changed Syed Ata Ullah Shah Bukhari to Attaullah shah bukhari at Saeed Rashid page, try to use redirects --Falcon007 08:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• and when you change name first make sure that its the popular, or authantic name --Falcon007 08:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

-- I dont understand what you are trying to say. Please check first that who changed Syed Ata Ullah Shah Bukhari to Attaullah shah bukhari. I did not change. I only reverted, because user Shaaheen was adding it in wrong cat. I did not changed any name. check it, I only reverted. as far as thinking of new cat for educators, I think it is perfect. It covers every thing. so dont worry. --Spasage 08:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• • thanks ...--Falcon007 09:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• • Just to say that you are doing a great work, and want to appologize for any misunderstandings earlier. Thanks ...--Falcon007 15:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment regarding Fourteen Points of Jinnah

Hi, Spasage. You recently created an article named Fourteen Points of Jinnah. Looking through Wikipedia, I located another article and found that the content on Fourteen Points of Jinnah was a direct copy of the material in Mohammad Ali Jinnah. If you wish to expand the article, you may do so, but as you have not done anything since the article was created, it may better serve as a redirect to Mohammad Ali Jinnah. If you have any questions, or if you wish to tell me that you intend on expanding the article, don't hesitate to leave a message at my talk page. Kareeser|^Talk! 16:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Reason was to reduce the size of Mohammad Ali Jinnah. It is very long article. This article contains many events, which needs separate article and more details to do justice with them, like Fourteen Points of Jinnah. This is just one example, there are many such sub-articles in Mohammad Ali Jinnah article. I strongly favor reducing length of Jinnah's article by putting certain sub-articles as separate articles, where it can be expand as well. I have placed Fourteen Points of Jinnah separate article because it has its own history. Jinnah’s life has many dimensions, and putting everything in one article will not do justice with him. --Spasage 05:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, Spasage. Thanks for the reply, I understand your reasoning now. Just here to leave you a note about the article Mohammad Ali Jinnah. If the list itself should be its own article, then the list should be rewritten into a condensed form (or removed altogether) from Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Kareeser|^Talk! 02:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

Please check this list Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan, and help arranging it. Thanks --Falcon007 13:05, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Makran Coastal Highway

I created Makran Coastal Highway and uploaded few photos. Later I found Coastal Highway (Pakistan) for the same subject. I would prefer to use its full name Makran Coastal Highway rather than just Coastal Highway. In any case I would like hear your comments.

Siddiqui 01:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Your are right, Makran Coastal Highway is full name and also tells the location. I am in favor of Makran Coastal Highway. --Spasage 04:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Renaming 'Independence movement of Pakistan'

Dear Spasage, Is there any way we can create a category 'Pakistan Movement' and merge your category in it? Because, Pakistan Movement is short and is the popular name by which it has always been remembered. There is an article also nammed Pakistan movement but I think it doesn't matter if we include a category also. --Falcon007 19:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we can have cat 'Pakistan movement' and merge 'Independence movement of Pakistan'. --Spasage 09:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• thanks ...--Falcon007 16:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Abdur Rab Nishtar and Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar

Abdur Rab Nishtar page was created on 19:55, 29 December 2005 while the Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar page was created on 10:04, 23 February 2006. We should keep the older page and rename the newer page for another leader of Pakistani movement that does not have a page at this time. I look forward to your comments on this issue.

Siddiqui 21:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Information in both articles is same. I agree with you that we keep older page. Another solution is to redirect new page to old page.

--Spasage 05:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I will appreciate if you would recheck and categorize new pages that I created today: Chaklala, Fateh Jang and Religion in Pakistan. Thanks.

Siddiqui 16:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I have made some changes. But present categories are enough. One point to look into is, Chaklala is name of area in Pindi. I dont know that it is correct or not, but if it is correct, Chaklala can be added in other categories as well. --Spasage 09:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Books by Muhammad Iqbal

• Thanks, Its perfectly fine with me. Lets change it. --Falcon007 06:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Aligarh

You are adding some universities in Aligarh. What is the link between unis and Aligarh? --Spasage 06:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• I thaught it would be nice to see them as a part of legacy of Sir Syed. Category Aligarh would be a general cat for Aligarh University, movement, alumni, and some institutions. --Falcon007 06:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. --Spasage 06:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

The work on Aligarh Template and related sites is just a start and I hope it would continue to become significant and get refined with time. Aligarh movement was such a significant movement that it had very few parallels in the last two centuries for Muslims in general, and Muslims of subcontinent in particular. --Falcon007 07:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:Cat

Hi - Indian rebellion of 1857 belongs in the general history of Pakistan. It is not related to the demand for a separate Muslim nation. Rama's Arrow 13:51, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:War of Independence of 1857

Nice to meet you - greetings.

"Why you removed cat Pakistan movement from War of Independence of 1857? --Spasage 13:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I am sure that in 1857 there was nothing like the concept of Pakistan. The word Pakistan was not even created. --Bhadani 13:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)"

[above copied from Rama's page]]

I think that you are very new to the history of the Indian subcontinent. Anyway, it is fine. --Bhadani 13:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Comments by User :Mel Etitis on this page also points to this fact - but please do not worry - you are a fast learner - I am sure. --Bhadani 13:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, reason to add in Pakistan movement was that there was a constant build up since 1857 for separate homeland for Muslims in subcontinent, due to a major reason that after 1857 there was no Muslim rule in subcontinent, and people started to feel for separate home for Muslim. This was added just for history, nothing else. I know that there was no such thing as Pakistan at that time, but there was realization. --Spasage 16:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Shamsur Rahman

How is he an Urdu Poet? --Ragib 06:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I am not saying that he is Urdu Poet, but he used to run a Journal which was in Urdu, as written in article Shabkhoon. If it is not Urdu journal, you can remove it. --Spasage 06:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think you are mistaken here. This is a completely different poet ... the one you refer to is Shamsur Rahman Faruqi, and this poet (Shamsur Rahman) is a famous Bengali one (see library of congress entry). Thanks. --Ragib 06:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Link in Shabkhoon directly links with Shamsur Rahman, please correct it. --Spasage 07:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I made Shabkhoon point to Shamsur Rahman Faruqui. --Ragib 07:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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I am not vandalizing. Please be precise if you have any issue. --Spasage 07:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, you blanked with no indication in the edit summary, kind of hard for the bot to determine your intent :) -- Tawker 07:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Again, please be precise. Even if i am not leaving any message, it does mean that you send me vandalism warnings. What is this???? I don’t understand if you can’t differentiate between vandals and non vandals, what services you can give to Wikipedia. It is really strange. You better check your bot. --Spasage 07:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

No, you're misunderstanding me. You / someone claiming to be you removed all of the text from an article page and did not leave an edit summary. My bot flagged this as page blanking and reverted and gave you an auto warning. If you take a second to look at the page here you'll see that your version of the page had no content on it. I'm sure its an accident but the bot is functioning perfectly. -- Tawker 07:48, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I had another look, on your 2nd edit to the article you put in a redirect, maybe thats what you were trying to do the first time but forgot to copy paste in the redirect text. As there was nothing on the page, the bot flagged it as page blanking and reverted, its a fully automatic process with no human intervention whatsoever. Sorry for any confusion there -- Tawker 07:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Check the history, Shahid Masood article needed merger. I was merging, but your bot started to send me messages. I understand what you are saying, but hopefully it will not happen again. Your bot may be doing great job, but above was not perfect. I hop it will not happen again, and your bot will do good job to stop vandalism in Wikipedia. --Spasage 07:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

In the case of the merge, a redirect is usually in order which I see you did on the second edit and the bot noticed that its a redirect and didn't touch it. I really don't know what else to say, the bot did exactly what it was programmed to do, I know it seem a little accusing when you get a bot warning but I'm not sure how else I can word it, syntax errors do happen and the bot will revert on those, it works exactly according to its programming, it just doesn't have the capabilities to determine anything other than what it's given. In the future if you merge, just use a redirect and the bot won't touch it. -- Tawker 08:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I just pulled the bots warning because it was pretty obviously not bad faith vandalism, feel free to do whatever you wish with it -- Tawker 08:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and no problem. I understand what you are saying. I am available, if you need any help to improve your bot or help in any other way to improve Wikipedia. --Spasage 08:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hill Stations of Pakistan

I created new pages about resorts in northern area and then created Hill Stations of Pakistan. Later I did find an existing Pakistani hill Stations category. The Airlines of Pakistan the Airport of Pakistan are established format so in my opinion Hill Stations of Pakistan follows established pattern than Pakistani hill Stations. If you feel otherwisw then you can change them. I have been bogged down in a RfC Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Siddiqui so did not have time to consult this change with others including you. Siddiqui 14:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Spasage 05:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

UET Taxila and University of Engineering and Technology, Taxila

Ahmad R Shahid created UET Taxila but the page for that university already exists. UET Taxila page should be deleted and renamed after Ahmad R Shahid agrees. Siddiqui 06:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, UET Taxila should be deleted. --Spasage 08:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Abu Bakr

Why did you reformat the external links so that all the text was included, rather than the more common (and to my eye better) method of ncluding the title, and placing the rest of the text outside? Are you following up some decision made somewhere? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

This is another way of formatting external links. What you are saying is also correct. I thought including text works well. --Spasage 05:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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Jeeva article

Hi,

Actually i created a disambig for Jeeva so both film and actor articles can be linked from there, i think it should be fine. I even created the film article Jeeva (urdu). so i request you that let the disambig be present in Jeeva, so people can check any article whichever they want.

Few example for disambig :

• Pakistan_Muslim_League
• Pak

This what i tried to make, hope you understand.

--M.arunprasad 06:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I understand. Look, Jeeva is Pakistani film. It was created before actor Jeeva page. So a better way is that you leave the page Jeeva for movie as it, without changing name, and make Jeeva (actor) for actor. Don’t change current Jeeva page. Also, make disambig for Jeeva, which Links to

• Jeeva, Pakistani movie
• Jeeva (actor), Actor

This is correct way. If you do this, I dont have any issue.

--Spasage 06:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I have made the Jeeva a Disambig page, just like Pak article and etc. I accept that Jeeva film article was created long ago before Jeeva actor. But i just followed the guidelines of Wikipedia, if more than one article have the same title we must make it a disambig page and list all the articles on that disambiguation page. Please refer Wikipedia:Disambiguation and also check Jeeva. --M.arunprasad 06:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I understand wikipedia guidelines, but user User:Prin was changing Jeeva article which deals with a Pakistani film to Jeeva which deals with an actor. How can you change existing article of a film to article of an actor? [2] It is simply unfair with existing article.[3] What you have done is correct. Now we have articles for both Jeeva (urdu) and Jeeva (actor). You can refer to Jeeva history for details how article was altered unfairly. It is ok and thanks for doing it. --Spasage 10:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Confusion was caused because 3 people edited a single article. Also when i made the disambig page even you reverted it (Your edits after disambig), then again i came to your talk page. Anyway i'm happy that this issue didn't grew bigger. Thanks for understanding and resolving the issue. please feel free to contact me incase you need my help in future. --M.arunprasad 11:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, usre User:Prin was changing Jeeva article. Same here. --Spasage 06:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Karachi Page

The SeanMack has nominated Karachi page as a good article nominee, check Talk:Karachi. I think we have to form a team and work together to improve the page and get that nomination. Siddiqui 06:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I am in. --Spasage 06:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Zaib-un-Nissa Hamidullah

Thanks for the offer, but I'd like to do the article myself. No offense. However, I'd like it if you could give me tips, etc. Also, could you possibly help me in the formatting? Please reply on my talk page.--Le Grey Intellectual 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Need your Help

I need support in editing the page for Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh from Pakistani-Wikipedians. The page concludes Pakistans link to 9/11 using information from Indian press and much information in that page is without proper references. The page says that ISI gives money to Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh and Sheikh then wired the money to Atta. I have checked some of the references on that page and information in the references is different from what is mentioned in it. I will really appreciate any of your help in improving that page with propoganda against Pakistan. Faisal 23:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Pakistan

I have started History of Pakistan project. It combines all the events which occured before partition. As you are working in this area, join this project and encourage others to do the same. You can also contribute in article Karachi, which is good article nominee. --Spasage 06:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks, and nice work ... I wish I could be as active as I used to but currently I am little pressed for time. Hopefully I would try to contribute as much as possible. Thanks --Falcon007 20:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

About Changing Your User Page

I thought it would be great to list your user page under Wikipedians from Pakistan category because you are actively working on wikipedia. In that way more new members can contact you, using your talk page, when they will visit Wikipedians from Pakistan. I though I am improving your user page. However, I found a really rude guy, who termed my good intension as vandalism. I wish I never had contacted you in the first place. After your rude message I now wishes that I really had vandalize your page or continue doing that again and again (as long as I could). Faisal 07:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It would me nice if you ask same things in my discussion page first. Userpage is for User to add/edit/delete (in some cases for others to add/edit/delete). I tried my best not to say anything which hurts you. But it should be my decision to add whatever I like to on my Userpage, not some one else. I apologize if words were offensive. I can change wording, but PLEASE don’t add any thing on any ones Userpage except, editing which are allowed (they are many and very exciting which really encourages people to contribute). If you have suggestions for my Userpage (which don’t have any thing), please feel free to give me on my discussion page. One last thing Vandalism is not as bad as you think in this context. You changed some thing without my permission, don’t take it in bad meaning. If you need any help in any way, do inform me. --Spasage 07:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

There is not written anywhere that only a user himself can improve his user page and others are NOT ALLOWED. Show me that where it is written. Vandalism term should be used when someone has added abusive terms in your page, deleted its contents, twisted its material or has added vulgar material in it etc. Have I done anything like that? You DO NOT "own" your user page and anyone can improve it. Please read about vandalism before labeling anyone. Faisal 08:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Definition of wikipedia User page vandalismUser page vandalism: Replacing User pages with insults, profanity, etc. [ wiki-vandalism ] Faisal 08:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Your attitude is disturbing. --Spasage 08:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

No your first message at my talk page was wrong and disturbing. You could obviously revert back the changes on your user page as it is your user page after-all. However, if someone having very good intention change your user page, then you cannot jump and be abusive to that person. That was disturbing... I had not done any thing illegal according to wikipedia rules and believe me that my intention was very friendly/brotherly. Faisal 12:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed the wording of my message and also I started my message so that it does not look offensive, but your reaction was highly offensive. I used word vandalism in very general sense. I don’t think I wrote any thing which was offensive, except the word “vandalism”, which I used in very general way, not to be rude or some thing else with anyone and I changed it after your protest. I tried not to be rude, check what subject I had. I even changed my message. I am available without those tags, but you should understand the meaning of User page, you wrote what you like on your userpage, if I change it (for good or bad), you will feel it, similar was the case with me. You can give me suggestions, I am open for it. I understand that your intentions were good, changes you have made shows that.--Spasage 12:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you for edition my talk page. You can also delete this talk-section from your talk page, I did not find any rules that disallow that. I have no heart feeling towards you. In case you add anything good on my User page, I will be happy and I do not understand that why I will not like that? --- Faisal 12:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it is over. We both are members of this group. If you need any help in any way, let me know. We are working in same area, so hopefully we'll collaborate in future in constructive way. I regret if anything which I said hurt you. I never attempted to say anything which is offensive, if unknowingly I said any such thing, I apologize for it. --Spasage 05:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Can you please spend sometime on Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh page. The page has lots of propoganda against Pakistan. Many statements are said without any reference. In few cases the reference does not say a thing that the text says. Most of the reference from India authors which are obviously biased towards Pakistan. The page concludes that -- ISI give money to Sheikh and Sheikh gives money to M. Atta. How conduct 9/11 operations. -- The page says that whole 9/11 is because of ISI. Thank you in advance.--- Faisal 09:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Any help

Can you please spend sometime on Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh page. The page has lots of propoganda against Pakistan. Many statements are said without any reference. In few cases the reference does not say a thing that the text says. Most of the reference are from India authors which are obviously biased towards Pakistan. The page concludes that -- ISI give money to Sheikh and Sheikh gives money to M. Atta. who conducted 9/11 operations. -- The page give impression that whole 9/11 is because of ISI. Thank you in advance.--- Faisal 09:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I have already made some changes, but it needs many more. I am working on it. --Spasage 09:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)