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July 2015

Hello, I'm Jim1138. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Dersim rebellion, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Ping me with {{u|Jim1138}} and sign "~~~~" or message me on my talk page. 08:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

While I agree it may have been a massacre, there are wildly varying estimates as to how many were killed. Given that, "massacre" would be too wp:pov and probably should be avoided. If you wish to use massacre, it would need to be supported by wp:reliable sources such as a reputable commission in the UN or something like that. Several such sources would be a good idea to minimize claims of POV. Without such sources, the phrase would quickly be removed per NPOV. I would suggest discussion at the wp:teahouse. Cheers Ping me with {{u|Jim1138}} and sign "~~~~" or message me on my talk page. 16:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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I see that "massacre" is used elsewhere in Dersim rebellion. This is the result section. I don't see "massacre" used in an of the other Turkish rebellions in the infobox. "Massacre" does not sound like a result IMO. I did add the 50,000-80,000 killed from the Dersim ‘38 Conference to the infobox. See how long that stays there. Go ahead and add your text again. I'll leave it alone. Cheers Ping me with {{u|Jim1138}} and sign "~~~~" or message me on my talk page. 19:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Im very new here and testing the waters, so i dont know what is generally accepted and what is not. My main reason for wanting to add the massacre as a result was that it, well, was the direct result to the rebellion. There are many ultranationalist Turks who are on constantly denying Turkish crimes against humanity and do their very best to censor any information regarding it, so it doesnt sound like a surprising thing that pages on Turkish rebellions generally dont include words like "massacre" or "genocide", while they have many times been results of rebellions against the Turkish state.

I also have a question. What if someone deletes my edit, but i insist on keeping it? If there is no moderation i can only assume that it would turn into a circle of editing and the disagreeing party deleting it. I cant see this being left unmoderated.

Am i doing this right? {{u|Jim1138}}~~~~

You need to leave off the "<nowiki>" It was there so that you could see the formatting. It should be added as seen while not editing. The nowiki just inhibits the behind-the-scenes automatic formatting. If you do a Preview (button next to Save page, you should see the tildes converted to your username and time stamp. nowiki, and other wikimarkup and their use can be found in Help:Wiki markup.

Repeated wp:reverting is called an wp:edit war and is highly frowned upon. Reverting three times is generally the limit, per wp:3RR though there are very contentious articles that have a one or even a zero revert policy wp:1RR wp:0RR. Abusers would be reported to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring or more simply wp:AN3.

If an edit war seems likely, the best thing is to "keep your nose clean" and carefully follow the recommended process. Getting oneself wp:blocked for edit warring might make admins quick to reblock. If an editor undoes your edit, go to the article's talk page and start a discussion about it. Ping the editor who reverted, inviting him/her to discuss the issue. If they don't reply in a few days, redo the edit. If it happens again, without comment or inadequate explanation, go to wp:drn or wp:3O. Then, perhaps wp:an3.

You might find that there is a "wp:tag team" of editors who undo edits. This can be hard to prove or get something done about. You might find evidence of previous wars or tag-teaming if you go to a contensious article's wp:page history. Click on the "500" to see lots of edits (if you have decent bandwidth). An edit war typically has two editors alternately reverting the other.

Is there a List of rebellions in Turkey article (or something of a similar nature)? It might be a good one to start. Something similar to List of modern conflicts in the Middle East.

My primary function is wp:RCP, i.e. anti-vandalism. ADHD, lots of short-term projects. Ping me with {{u|Jim1138}} and sign "~~~~" or message me on my talk page. 02:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)