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Writing about Place names that have changed

You recently made a number of edits to articles about notable persons, who were born in Prussia. There does not appear to be any pattern or logic to your edits. Sometimes you have replaced historical place names with modern names for the same place. In other articles, you have replaced modern names for an historical names for the same place. In yet other articles, new historical place names have been added to the article. In multiple instances, you have completely removed any reference to Prussia, which was the correct name of the nation during the time when the subjects of these articles lived.

I have not been able to locate any Wikipedia policy on how to report place names that have changed. However, in both Harvard and Oxford citation methods, authors are advised to use the form that most closely relates to the period about which you are writing. That is use the historical place name first, and if appropriate, use the modern equivalent in brackets immediately following. And, the golden rule in all style guides is that consistency is paramount. In other words, there is some room for flexibility, but you must be internally consistent within a document or manuscript.

Here follows a short list of the changes you have made to articles about people in the past few weeks. As you can see, there does not appear to be any internal logic to your edits- other than to alter what was there in the original passage, and wherever possible remove all references to Prussia. Can you please point me to the policy which provides for such amendments?

Tiedemann Giese

Original: Tiedemann became Bishop of Culm (Chełmno) first canon, later Prince-Bishop of Ermland (Warmia)

Changed to: ' Tiedemann became Bishop of Chełmno (Culm) first canon, later Prince-Bishop of Warmia (Ermland)

Here, you have changed the name, Warmia, the historical region (i.e. as it was at the time being written about) to the modern name, Ermland; and you have changed the Polish name. Culm for the modern name Chelmo.

Summary of change: From historical name → modern name (and from native Polish name to English equivalent)

Georg Giese

Origingal: Giese was born in Danzig, Royal Prussia, now Poland...

Changed to: Giese was born in Gdańsk (Danzig), Poland...

Here you have added in the historical name of the town and removed the reference to the historical nation. You have also removed the reference to Prussia (which is the name of the country were the Giese family lived, during their lifetime) and replaced it with the modern name of Poland. Similar changes were also made to the infobox, i.e. switch from modern name to historical name.

Summary of change: From modern name → historical name

Mauritius Ferber

'Original: Mauritius Ferber ... (1471 – 1 July 1537) in Heilsberg, Prussia (now Lidzbark, Poland)) was a member of the patrician Ferber family of Danzig in Royal Prussia (now (Gdańsk, Poland)

'Changed to: Mauritius Ferber ...(1471 – 1 July 1537) in Lidzbark (Heilsberg), in Poland was a member of the patrician Ferber family of Danzig (Gdańsk) inPoland).

Here you have changed the historical name Heilsberg to the modern name of Lidzbark in one part of the sentence, and added in the modern name of Gdansk in brackets. You have also removed references to Prussia, substituting Poland.

Summary of change: From historical place name → modern place name; remove reference to Prussia.

Johann Ernst Gotzkowsky

Original: Born in Konitz in Royal Prussia (now Chojnice in Poland)...

Changed to: Born in Chojnice (Konitz) in Poland...

Explanation of change: Here you have changed the historical place name, Konitz and replaced it with the modern name, Chojnice and again removed references to Prussia.

Summary of change: From historical place name→ modern place name; remove reference to Prussia.

Johann Gramann

Original: Poliander became pastor of Altstadt Church in 1525 in Königsberg (Kaliningrad), capital of the new Duchy of Prussia...

Changed to: Poliander became pastor of Altstadt Church in 1525 in Königsberg (Królewiec) (today Kaliningrad), capital of the new Duchy of Prussia...

Explanation of change: Here you have added Królewiec, the Polish name for the historical place, Königsberg. In this instance, you have retained the reference to Prussia.

Summary of change: Added in a new historical place name (and as in some kind of emphasis, the place name, Królewiec, has been repeated at the end of the paragraph in a sentence fragment

Christian Wernicke

Original: Wernicke was born in Elbing, Prussia (now (Elbląg, Poland). After attending school in Elbing and Thorn (Toruń)...

Changed to: Wernicke was born in Elbląg (Elbing) in Poland). After attending school in Elbląg and Toruń (Thorn)...

Explanation of change: Here you have changed the historical name, Elbing to the modern name, Elbląg and have changed the historical place, Thorn, (which is also the German name of this place) name with the modern, Toruń. Here, again, you have also removed reference to Prussia, and substituted it with Poland.

Summary of change: historical place name → modern name; removal of reference to Prussia

Albrecht von Kalckstein

Original: Kalckstein was born in Königsberg (Kaliningrad) to Jakob von Kalckstein, laird of Wogau and Graventhien near Preußisch Eylau (Bagrationovsk) in Ducal Prussia...

Changed to: Kalckstein was born in Königsberg (Kaliningrad) to Jakob von Kalckstein, laird of Wogau and Graventhien near Preußisch Eylau (Iławka) (today Bagrationovsk) in Ducal Prussia...

Explanation of change: Here you have added Ilawka, a vague reference to an uncertain place, which may have been the historical name of a region of Prussia. Again as if for emphasis, the name, Ilawka has been added to the multiple issues tag at the top of the page as a word fragment.

Summary of change: Include reference to unknown place, possibly an historical place name; unecessary repetition of a term

BronHiggs (talk) 07:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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Space Cadet?

Are you related to User:Space Cadet? HerkusMonte (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

That's what I call my son! How did you know?Space Veteran (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I know now what you were talking about. Is there a way to check it? Space Veteran (talk) 20:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what you are talking about, I'm talking about a striking similarity of your username, field of interest and agenda. Are you the same user? HerkusMonte (talk) 07:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

You're talking about a disruptive edit warrior with a big Block Log. I guess if I start fighting and build a substantial Block Log, that would mean "yes"' or a definite "maybe". That would be a similarity. A dangerous similarity. I have to disappear for about 3 weeks. So happy editing. Space Veteran (talk) 04:10, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Heavens, no.Space Veteran (talk) 04:10, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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Duchy of Legnica

I wonder why you returned the contents of my editor's document. I wonder if it is natural to hand over to the English Wikipedia. I'm using a translator, so please understand. Yoyoma88 (talk) 12:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

December 2020

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at German Empire. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you trying to scare me away from publishing researched information? Please provide specific examples, data analysis, unbiased conclusions and then proceed with polite warnings, never with threats. Understood? I just hope you're OK otherwise. Truly yours Space Veteran (talk) 04:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Space Veteran, BMK is correct to notify you they found your edits unconstructive. You changed a place name to a redirect without leaving an edit summary explaining why. The language BMK used is standard, and including the fact there can be consequences to continued unconstructive editing is considered not a threat but only fair warning. —valereee (talk) 18:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, somehow I don't buy it. Let me refresh you. Upon noticing that I made a small mistake (writing Czechia instead of Czech Republic), BMK started name calling, addressing me, as if I was a naughty kid and even proceeded with threats of banning me: "Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at German Empire. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the of editing privileges. Thank you." And all this fuss instead of a simple, friendly remark and maybe even a peaceful explanation of my error. Is that really a standard procedure? After all: Errare humanum est!. Instead, all of a sudden, I'm an enemy of the People. Space Veteran (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Space Veteran, you didn't make a small mistake. You replaced an article name with a redirect. That's not a mistake. That's a decision, and it looks like one that might be POV-ish. Why would you even do that? No one is saying you're an enemy of the people. BMK is giving you a very standard warning, and not even a very stern one. Here's what the stern one looks like:

and the really stern one:

—valereee (talk) 19:44, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

My comment on BMK’s page

My apologies. I have a hard time resisting the urge to say ‘take yer tampoon out’ when the opportunity arises regardless of tampoon appropriateness.DonkeyPunchResin (talk) 13:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC) sometimes.

OK, then first take a deep breath and investigate a bit, before your urges take over. Space Veteran (talk) 13:52, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Have you ever tried telling someone to take their tampoon out? That’s one urge I haven’t learned how to control yet.DonkeyPunchResin (talk) 13:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Never. Try to develop a new urge: to research and doublecheck before typing. Happy editing! Space Veteran (talk) 13:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Your past account and topic ban

Space Veteran, I am extremely confident that you are a returning Space Cadet (and since that account was subject to a topic ban, this is account is not a valid clean start). As such, you are bound by that account's topic ban on Germany, which this account has been violating since it was created. You have two options. First choice: stop editing in the topic area of "Germany, broadly construed" immediately and appeal your ban at arbitration enforcement. Second choice: I block this account indefinitely. If your next edits are anything other than replying to this talk page message, I will assume you've chosen option 2. Courtesy ping Sandstein, since you levied the original TBAN. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

GeneralNotability, thanks for the ping. I am blocking this account indef as a sanctions-evading sockpuppet, and will also be blocking the master account. Sandstein 07:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)