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Notes

I have already explained why Foist currently doesn't have his own article, but I will go over the problems this article currently has as it stands:

Problems that prevent the article from being created

• The first source is to his Facebook page. The problem with this is that a Facebook page is considered a "first party" source, meaning the information is coming directly from the individual. Wikipedia aims to be neutral, therefore we shouldn't rely on information coming from a party that is representing itself. There are also two other problems: Firstly, we can't confirm that the information from a first party source is valid. Anyone can make a Facebook page about themselves and claim things that aren't necessarily true. Second, this source doesn't associate any notability with Shaun Foist, therefore this source is pretty much useless in those terms. Not to mention, this source is totally unnecessary considering that active dates don't really need an inline citation; they just need an explanation in either the talk page or further down in the article.
• The second source (Zildjian bio) is kind of so-so. It's not really a secondary or tertiary source, but it does actually provide valid information. Plus, this source is from a corporate website selling products in the interest of promotion, so we can't really count on this website to be neutral. It also doesn't associate any notability with Foist, so it's useless in that aspect. I'd say about the only thing this source is good for is giving you initial information to go off of so that you may go research information and see if you can't find more reliable sources with the same information.
• The third source (Blabbermouth) is reliable, but Foist isn't the express subject of the web page, therefore he doesn't gain any notability from this particular one.
• The fourth source is a direct link to his official website, which is a no-no. It's a first-party source and one which is a clear infraction of WP:NPOV and can be considered advertisement plugging.
• The next source is the Stand By Records source which links to the Picture Me Broken bio. It's a first party source, so it can't be used other than for initial research.
• Source 6 says nothing about what the accompanying information says. The sentence says that Foist recorded the EP Mannequins, but the source just says some general information about the album -- nothing about Foist.
• YouTube videos aren't valid sources except to serve as an aid to accompany a different source.
• Metal Underground isn't reliable.
• No particular problems with citation 9, other than that it's from the record company's own website. Foist also isn't the express subject of the post, so it can't be counted on for notability reasons.
• Citations 10 and 14 are again Facebook links.
• Citation 11 is a great source, but can't be counted on for notability purposes (except cascading notability, if that's a thing).
• Same with citation 12 as with citation 11.
• Citation 13 (Rock Revolt Magazine) is definitely the best source currently on the article. Foist is the sole subject of the post, the website is reliable (as far as I can tell; at least, all interviews are reliable). But it can't be counted on as the only reliable source which proves notability. There has to be more than just this one for Foist to get his own article.
• Citation 15 appears to be dead or broken.

Other obvious problems with the article

• The "Breaking Benjamin" section is littered with inline external links ("introduced", "Ohio radio station", "two sold-out shows", "DJ Fin Rock", "Music Mayhem Magazine", and three others). These should either be turned into citations if applicable, turned into wikilinks if applicable, or removed.
• There are also some prose issues but that's not really vital to the existence of the article (but for example, being inspired by his father, William 'Bill' Foist (05/25/55-06/29/13) the birth and death date are unnecessary and poorly formatted according to the relevant style guide. EP titled 'Mannequins,' EPs and albums go in italics, whereas songs go in "quotes". This is just to name a couple.)

Please be aware that I'm not doing this to criticize you or Foist, I'm just doing it so that you're aware of exactly what needs to change.

Some potentially good sources (and an image)

• "Shaun Foist". Modern Drummer. March 2012. Retrieved April 30, 2015. (This is technically a first party source but verified through an independent website.)
• "Interview with Shaun Foist on Joining Breaking Benjamin as their new drummer!". Music Mayhem Magazine. October 1, 2014. Retrieved April 30, 2015. (I think this is the dead link I mentioned earlier)
• "Middletown drummer joins Breaking Benjamin". Dayton Daily News. October 11, 2014. Retrieved April 30, 2015.
• This image is perfectly suitable for use on the article -- I think anyway.... The image contains an advert but it's licensed under a free license. The advert should be removed (with GIMP or Photoshop or something) before it's used.

Watermark removed and picture added. Jacedc (talk) 22:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I really hope this helps. Kind regards, Jacedc (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)