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Proposed Georgia Move

As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 04:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Are we a Community or what?

Hi ya Sam! It's been a while since we've chatted. I know you're busy, but I just thought I'd let you know that the main Community article is now (finally) becoming a hot topic. Any help and input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! WP:CBTF • CQ 21:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC) (tractor)

long-lost niece!

Hi Sammy, this is your favorite niece- hope I found you on the net! I heard that you're planning to coming to my wedding- my question now is, are you? Thomas and I would be thrilled, of course! I heard you had some contact to Ursula, and she tried mailing to you but didn't receive an answer. If you're coming, when will you arrive here? How many nights are you planning on staying? Thanks and hope to see you soon, Love, Miriam P.S.: You can answer me at miriambaudis@web.de

Concerning your Portal Proposal

I noticed you proposed Portal:Presenting Wikipedia and it was summarily blocked by those who opposed it. This appears to have been in violation of Wikipedia's policy Wikipedia is not censored. Therefore I've nominated the portal approval process page for deletion. The discussion and voting page can be found at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals. --Transhumanist 16:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Good point, yikes. I have to revisit this. +sj + 00:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Community News

Community WikiProject • News • July 2006
The Community WikiProject has had an overhaul and new developments are afoot! We are putting in place some tools for classifying, categorizing and assessing community-related content on Wikipedia. Please have a look at the Tools section on the project page. Also, the Community article has been identified by the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team as a Core Topic, one of the 150 most important articles for any encyclopedia to have. This article is undergoing a massive collaborative rewrite in which you may want to be involved!
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Pictures

Hello ! We need pictures of Boston, see here, thanks.

Language template

Hi Sj. Are you aware of Brian0918 and Raul's renewed attempt to cut languages from the Main Page language template? There is a discussion at Talk:Main Page that you might want to add your thoughts to. It also seems to me that this is an especially insensitive move heading into Wikimania, where we are attempting to demonstrate Wikipedia's internationalism and the English Wikipedia's (and its many American users) sensitivity to other Wikipedias. Best, Tfine80 15:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Wikipediatoc-main

Template:Wikipediatoc-main has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (notifying you as creator :) --Quiddity 04:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

wikimania awards

hi, i saw a list of finalists at the wikimania site and am wondering what happens now? when will the winners be chosen? cheers. Zzzzz 20:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The first entry in each finalist list is the winner for that category. Winners get a Wikimania 2006 t-shirt :) +sj + 15:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

cool! so how do I go about collecting my prize ;-) Zzzzz 11:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC) hi, i replied back to your "wikimania award" message via email, could you just confirm you received it? cheers. Zzzzz 20:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I was just looking for shout outs to our article on Google, and discovered that my work had been nominated for an award under somebody else's name, and that it might even have won a prize that I haven't seen. Can you imagine how gutted and cheated I feel about that? --kingboyk 12:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I was just wondering when the final results for the media contest will be announced? Thanks, --Fir0002 09:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello :) They have been released; the first finalist listed in each category was the winner in that cat. A separate announcement should really be drafted on-wiki, though. +sj + 18:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh OK, but what about the prize winners? --Fir0002 08:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The same people are eligible for shirts, and you both should get one; the grand prize got the nokia. +sj +

WP:1.0

Hey, Sj. Hopefully you're now back to normal after Wikimania. However, we need a bit of help from the SPC/Static version subcommittee here. Could you tell us what you think would be the way to proceed there? Oh, and you may want to remove the spam above... I tried to revert it, but I would have to remove and repost too many edits... Titoxd^(?!?) 22:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

If I can butt in on this conversation, the 1.0 folks who met at Wikimania (Kirill & I, Tomas from Poland and Emmanuel from France) agreed we should set up a sub-page off the Static Version meta page where we would discuss these things. I've been very busy this week but hopefully one of us can get something put up there soon - a lot of ideas for 1.0 came out of Wikimania. In the meantime, Sj, re our discussion on validation etc, perhaps you could take a look at Wikipedia:Pushing to validation which reflects how I saw the consensus emerging. Please forgive my intrusion - thanks, Walkerma 03:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to you both. I've commented a bit on that page; the general validation consensus looks excellent. We should be careful not to talk about "uneditable revision" -- mediawiki stores all revisions, making each of them effectively uneditable. There is a UI question of how to show certain people a consistent revision once it's flagged as stable/validated, but this is interface and not core code. +sj + 15:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

August Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: To-Do List The Esperanza To-Do List is a place where you may list any request, big or small, for assistance. If you need help with archiving your usertalk, for example, all you need to do is list it here and somebody will help you out. Likewise, if you need help with some area of editing on Wikipedia, list it here! Again, any matter, trivial or not, can be placed on this page. However, all matters listed on this page must not be of an argumentative nature. You do not need to be a member of Esperanza (or this program) to place or fulfill requests on this page. If you don't have any requests, consider coming by and fulfilling a few! This program has not been very active, but has lots of potential! What's New? In order to help proposed programs become specific enough to make into full-fledged programs, the In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals that are promising, but need to be organized in more detail are listed here. Please take a look at what is there, and help the proposals turn into programs. To improve both the layout and text of the front page, in an attempt to clarify the image of Esperanza, the front page is going to have some redesigning take place. Please take your creative minds to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Front page redesign to brainstorm good ideas. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) In order to make sure all users who join Esperanza are welcomed, a list of volunteers who are willing to welcome new Esperanzians is at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members#Esperanza_welcomers. Please add yourself if you are interested; we want to make sure all new Esperanza members are welcomed! The In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals page: Some proposals have been moved to the aforementioned "In development" section, some have been left as a proposal, and others have been archived. For those proposals that were a good idea but didn't necessarily constitute a program, General Esperanzial Actions has been created. Two small pieces of charter reform will be decided on in a straw poll at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Governance. One involves filling the position of any councillors who may leave, the other involves reforming the charter. Until cooperation with the Kindness Campaign is better defined, it remains as a proposed program. There is a page for discussing the front page redesign. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 05:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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Nuevo logo para Wikipedia en Nahuatl

Hola Sj, me dirijo a ti para solictarte me pudieras ayudar a proteger el nuevo logotipo de la Wikipedia en nahuatl, y en su caso si fuera posible que tu lo hicieras, cambiarlo, la imagen es la siguiente: nah:Imagen:Wiki.png, de antemano muchas gracias por tu ayuda, Saludos! Battroid (Niltze?)

Enterprise 2.0

Unbelievable how quickly all this happens. Thanks much for your help/oversight on this -- I really appreciate it. Any further pointers on how to make this an entry that WP can be proud of would be great.

What's the timeline for making a decision on this article?

 +amcafee + 00:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Remaining work on Version 0.5

Hi Sj, I wondered if you could take a look at my recent post and give me some feedback? Thanks! Walkerma 05:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thursday IRC chat??

Sj, Are we (WP1.0/0.5) going to talk on Thursday evening EST as you proposed? That looks to be the better time for most people - Kirill and Anthere mention they will try to make it, and I expect others may be interested too. Will it be IRC? Can you confirm a time and location for it? Thanks, Walkerma 23:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

New comment

Hello: in early July, I attended the National Educators' Computing Conference in San Diego and was thrilled to hear about the $100 Laptop initiative at Nicholas Negroponte's address! I could see an immediate fit with SelfDesign, a dynamic online school run by Wondertree Foundation, a non-profit society. SelfDesign presently serves learners in British Columbia, Canada and is poised to attract children of all nations. Our bottom-up learning model is deeply rooted in the passion of learners and our Village of Conversations is a rich environment with a multitude of learning opportunities from peers and mentors. In discussions with our leadership team, we found a great fit between the $100 Laptop initiative and SelfDesign. We are prepared to offer access to our online Village of Conversations to any child on the planet with a laptop from your program (and are willing to negotiate non-profit sponsorship or support to fund this access). We can envision a world of educational opportunity here for children of all nations--a voice for all and a connection with a literate and passionate learning community. Please find below a letter to Nicholas Negroponte (originally sent earlier this month) from Brent Cameron, SelfDesign Founder and Executive Director, providing further details about SelfDesign. I looking forward with anticipation to a chance to discuss this exciting opportunity further with your organization.

Darrell Letourneau SelfDesign Executive dletourneauATselfdesign_DOT_org

Hello Nicholas,

A colleague of mine just attended a conference in the US and informed me about the One Laptop Per Child initiative. It sounds very exciting and I think an significantly important initiative. I would like to support your work by introducing to you our projects in Canada. For the past 23 years we have been researching a whole new way of thinking about learning. We have been using computers and laptops as integral aspects in our program as we do education entirely differently than schooling. We have won numerous Canadian National Awards for our unique use of technology in education.

I have written a book illustrating what it is that is so unique to make it a new paradigm for learning, and a 'beyond schooling' model. Our methodology is aligned with a global, ecologically oriented learning community model where communities of people nurture the enthusiasm of children to learn in the context of living and engaging in the world.

I would like to offer you a copy of our book as an invitation to discuss how our work could help rethink how laptops in the hands of children around the world could be most profoundly used.

Currently we are offering a unique learning community experience for over 400 learners in BC. It could be a prototype for your global initiative. For example in BC there are over 30 distance or distributed learning programs that use the internet and computers to broadcast the same curriculum in schools to children sitting at computers at home. SelfDesign does not offer curriculum or distribute learning. Our internet village is a context for recursive conversations that support the natural enthusiasm of all children to explore and discover themselves in their world.

This model is from the book SelfDesign: Nurturing Genius Through Natural Learning and you can find out more about us on our website - www.selfdesign.org. Please let me know where to send a copy of my book and I will mail it immediately.

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Brent

Brent Cameron M.A. (Ph.D.) Executive Director / Principal Wondertree Foundation for Natural Learning Box 74560 Vancouver, BC Canada V6K 4P4 4196 W 4th Vancouver, BC V6R 4J5 - Learning Center Wondertree office 604-224-3663 fax 224-3662 SelfDesign Learning Community office 604-224-3640 Sirdar home 250-866-5341 Boulder Colorado home and office 303-554-9334 until Aug 1/06 after August 1/06 - 970-372-1316 internet phone 303-800-0819 brentcameronATwondertree*DOT*org www.wondertree.org www.selfdesign.org www.selfdesign.com

Enterprise 2.0

Thanks for the note on my talk page. I really like your proposed solution, and have put a note of support for it in the AFD discussion. Great job! Fairsing 00:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hold on. The final result of the AFD process was a keep, which means that the 'Enterprise 2.0 article stays as a separate article. To quote Phil: "The result was keep. The arguments for deletion are not to my mind persuasive, and it turns out that rather than being a neologism, the term has in fact been around for some time. There is no question that we need an article about this subject..." Could you please honor this decision and restore the most recent version of the Enterprise 2.0 article?Amcafee 22:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you again, but can you provide any insight on who was involved in the final deletion review -- the one that resulted in the 'keep' and the message from Phil -- and how it was conducted? It's the only part of the process that doesn't seem completely transparent to me. Am I just not looking in the right place?Amcafee 21:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Apologies re: CVU MfD Debate

As I wrote on pschemp's talk page, I feel I owe you a similar apology and explanation:

"You're right in that my "debate" with John on the CVU MfD was becoming all-consuming, was bordering on the personal level, and was beginning to disrupt the flow of the MfD itself. I apologize for my part in causing any such disruption, and -- for my blood pressure, if for nothing else -- I'll agree to stay off the page until it runs its course. That said, I am somewhat hurt by your suggestion that "everyone is tired" of my contributions and/or that they are "adding nothing to the debate." By most accounts my arguments have been the entire debate on behalf of the "Delete" side of the coin. As before, I apologize for losing my temper and for being the least bit disruptive. But I would argue that my "disruption" of that argument was the result of getting constantly badgered and baited into it by the other user in question. I know and realize I should have been the better man and not responded on the page. But no one else was arguing back, so I felt compelled to defend myself. At this point I'm rambling, but the point is, I'm backing off, and I'm sorry if you were offended or annoyed."

Sincerely and respectfully, Dr Chatterjee 00:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Release versions

You said:

The first section -- small and refined -- is indeed 'halfway', at least until it grows to encompass most of WP. The other two sections definitely contain material with varied quality, depth, and tone / intended audience; which is why they could make fine appendices. But perhaps I did not understand what you meant :-) +sj + 21:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you understand me, we just disagree about the conclusion. :) Elements that are strongly for different audiences should usually be different products. It's roughly like combining a Ferrari with a Hummer.

I am OK with the combination as long as the "good" does not outweigh the "important". That turns the project into a different animal. Maurreen 21:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Bloggers guide to criticising Wikipedia

The series you announced in this post on your blog sounded interesting; hows it going? JesseW, the juggling janitor 06:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Up to the second post! Check your blogfeeds. +sj + 01:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors! What's New? September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves! Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there! The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly! Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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Image:Bald.eagle.longshot.arp-sh.375pix.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Bald.eagle.longshot.arp-sh.375pix.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Psychonaut 00:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Anarchopedia

Hi,

With all due respect, I don't understand what could confuse you regarding the decision. There was a consensus to delete based on the lack of verifible, reliable sources. The cite couldn't be a source for itself, and those citations where the only ones available at the time I deleted the thing.

I'll be the first to admit that I know little about life outside of the English 'pedia, but the presence of articles in other languages has never really occurred to me as being significant. While WP:V binds all 'pedias, I've always thought the the particulars of what constituted a reliable source for a certain classes of article could vary between different language 'pedias, as it varies also between academic cultures in different countries.

In this case, Anarchopedia was deleted as part of an effort to increase the stringency of requiring third-party reliable sources -- other 'pedias might not yet have adopted this stringency, and may not do so; but, English 'pedia is moving in that direction in an effort, among other reasons, to gain academic respect.

I haven't looked at your stub yet, but I won't touch it; others might, of course. Best wishes, Xoloz 09:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The stub is also lacking verifiable reliable sources, really, both as to existence and (more crucially, because we do know it exists) notability. There is a guideline for webpage notability, WP:WEB, that AfD applied in this case. If you hadn't personally intervened, I would G4 this, but oh well... somebody will probably catch it soon anyway. Xoloz 09:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've noticed something -- You're a fellow "H-bomber!" :) I'm a former proud resident of Canaday and Leverett Towers myself. This has only increased my sense of colleagial regard for you, obviously, so I feel comfortable being frank: I think you've got this one wrong, and think I Wikipedia is better off if I CSD G4 this thing. This AfD closure is consistent with notability guidelines -- looking at your contribution history and considering your confusion over the AfD closure, you might be a bit out-of-touch with the increased strictness in enforcing reliable source requirements. I'm going to go ahead and G4 your stub, trusting that no Harvardian would take such a thing personally. Being a physicist adept and a Bostonian, if you ever run into Howard Georgi, tell him he is anonymously loved! ;) Best wishes, Xoloz 22:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Anarchopedia re-creation

I echo the above concerns about the re-creation of Anarchopedia. In particular, I don't see that the concerns brought up in the AfD, lack of verifiability in particular, has been addressed. Do you have reliable sources to support an article on this topic? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Joining

Hej SJ, dear,

since we saw each other, in that late night after WikiSym, I got the scholarship. I started last week the PhD, on Wikipedia, apparently... I'm happy. Anyway, I wanted to let you know, and obviously to ask for long-term help during the next 4 years. I don't exactly know yet what direction the project will take, except that I would like to keep a philosophical stance and not just sociological. Anyway, the title is Cooperation in Emergent Cognition of Socio-technological networks, the case of wikipedia. So, to start with, I guess I need a post at the research list, introducing myself, and then contact some people, Jakob, Ingo, others?

hug. rut

Vulpeto 10:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorting of pseudo-votes

This is a really bad idea. in fact, the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion says really clearly "Please do not refactor the discussion into lists or tables of recommendations, however much you may think that this helps the process." Thanks mate.
brenneman ^{L} 04:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why Uncle G said this is a bad idea, but a) he clearly meant this to apply to VfD, and b) this kind of refactoring is occasionally quite helpful, with votes of any kind -- particularly in cases where people are tqalking across one another and voting on or discussing very different things in the same space. As happened here. +sj + 14:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

WP Picture dump

Sj - an ssh login to a server holding the raw dumps would be mighty fine! Username andyr ? Wizzy…☎ 08:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

chemwiki

Hi, I got your name from Martin Walker, who told me you also have an account on his chemwiki, and he suggested you might be interested/capable in helping us with some new extensions.

I have written a specialpage similar to the special:booksources-page, but then for a set of chemical identifiers (CAS, InChI, etc.), and an extension to make writing chemical formulae in a mediawiki more easy (http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chemistry). Currently I am writing some more, specialistic tags, which might be appropriate on a chemical wiki.

We would like the specialpage to be enabled on en.wikipedia.org, it would give an opportunity to remove a lot of bias in external links (see also at least three of the discussions on my talk-page). The <chemform>-tags would be nice, but not really necessary. I currently have no public place to test these or show it to the public (I run three mediawikis on my laptop, but cannot open them to the public for the moment). For the last couple of days I have been bugging Tim and Brion on IRC, but they seem to be very busy.

Could you help me, e.g. finding a mediawiki where I could show the function of these extensions to the (chemical) public (chemwiki would be great, but it is quite a basic install, though it should work there)? Cheers! --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 22:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Association of Members' Advocates

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The Gathering Storm

Former President of MIT visits Richard Freeman's "Economics of Science and Technology". Mon Oct 23 [1] randy.f

Russian Copyright Law issues

What do you think about commons:Commons:Village pump#Russian Copyright Law issues concerning edits in Wikipedia made by Russian citizens? --217.118.90.1 19:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:American white ibis2.jpg

Hello, I have nominated Image:American white ibis2.jpg for delisting from Wikipedia:Featured pictures as I feel it no longer lives up to current FP standards. The discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/American White Ibis delist. --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Version 0.5 IRC

Hi Sj,

Yes, I think we will need to have another chat again soon. Probably not this coming weekend, but perhaps the weekend after. What do you think? I've been busy at work so it's been hard to work on finding a publisher. If you know anyone suitable, by all means sound them out, if WMF folks are OK with that! Regards, Walkerma 06:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

On a related topic thanks for the note. Last time the physical checking was done offline in a room (we have an office in the centre of Cambridge so volunteers are easy). We might do this online this time: give me a couple of weeks to answer again --BozMo talk 14:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

hugs!

*Kylu gives you a great big hug!* (I figure hand-typing it is more sincere than a template, ne?) ~Kylu (u|t) 20:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikispecies

Hi Sj, I just noticed that you are an admin at Wikispecies. Why is that? I simply don't see why you should be one. Ucucha 19:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

good question! it's from sitenotice setting last summer. something to undo. +sj + 00:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

November Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Admin Coaching (needs coaches!) Admin Coaching needs coaches!!! If you are an administrator, or even a generally experienced user, do consider signing up to be a coach. Admin Coaching, now being coordinated by HighwayCello, is a program for people who want help learning some of the more subtle aspects of Wikipedia policy and culture. People are matched with experienced users who are willing to offer coaching. The program is designed for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. What's New? The Tutorial Drive is a new Esperanza program! In an effort to make complicated processes on Wikipedia easier for everyone, Esperanza working to create and compile a list of tutorials about processes here on Wikipedia. Consider writing one! A discussion on how Esperanza relates to the encyclopedia has been started; please add your thoughts. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The list of proposed programs has been updated, with some proposals being archived. There is now a new program: the Tutorial Drive! Consider writing a tutorial on something you are good at doing on Wikipedia. The suggestion of adding a cohesive look to all the Esperanza pages is being considered; join the discussion if you are interested! In order to make a useful interlanguage welcome template, those involved in translation projects will be asked what English Wikipedia policies are most important and confusing to editors coming from other language Wikipedias. A discussion of Esperanza's role in Wikipedia is being held, with all thoughts of all Esperanzians wanted! Shreshth91 informed everyone that he will be leaving the Esperanza council as life is rather busy; his spot will be filled by the runner up from the last election, HighwayCello. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, The Halo, Shreshth91 and HighwayCello 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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Upcoming NYC Meetup

You might want to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it... Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. —ExplorerCDT 23:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Request to Stewards

I've posted a Request that is specifically addressed to Stewards, since it appears to be a delicate matter. Please review it and express your opinion. Thank you, M/ M/ 22:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

general disclaimer.

I have a bit of trouble with your last edits to the most important document on wp... you added "You may see something offensive before it gets moderated out." There's a problem with this sentence in that many things that would be offensive to many people are never "moderated out" -- i.e. all the sex articles. Also, "This is the Internet" is a) rude, and b) untrue. "This" (wp) is *not* the internet! On the internet at large, you can't edit most things. I'd change it to be softer: "wikipedia may contain offensive material." I'd edit it myself except for that dratted lack of adminship. -- phoebe 01:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

cheers :) there has to be a good way to say "don't get your panties in a bunch" without, you know, being mean to the underwear-dysfunctional. Sadly for those whose panties are already bunched this rarely works. -- phoebe 07:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

librarians

If you ever need to convince anyone why reference librarians should edit more, it is because their *very first* articles might be like this. dang. --phoebe 06:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

addLoadEvent

Hi, one of your user scripts uses the addLoadEvent( func ) function (see [2]). This function will be removed from MediaWiki:Common.js soon. Please modify your scripts to use addOnloadHook( func ) instead. —Ruud 18:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Vote on Fir FPC set

Hi Sj!
I was wondering if you could vote here? Thanks! --Fir0002 21:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Captcha

Hello Samuel! I'm administrator at portuguese wikipedia and I want to propose the use of Captcha there, but I have some doubts. I've seen the Captcha when an anonymous (IP) try to create a new user account (like here) or when he try to insert a link of a web page. Can I configure it to use the Captcha when an IP edit or try to create a page? Thanks for your attention (and sorry about my English). Giro720 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I'd like implement captcha for creating new pages and editing old pages. Can I configure it to work like that? And only for new pages? I'm trying to understand the options of captcha configuration before expose the ideia to the community. Thanks. Giro720 2:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Debatepedia.com query

Hi, I noticed that you went to the DC Meetup, and that you're a dedicated Wikipedian. I'm the founder of Debatepedia.com, the new wiki debate encyclopedia, and am working out of DC with a group of Georgetown students and professors. I was hoping to get your suggestions, and maybe meet up in person, if you'd like. Brooks Lindsay 19:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

sobre Wikipedia en nahuatl

Hola Sj, de nuevo pidiendote algo sobre la wiki en nahuatl, espero que te me pudieras ayudar y si noe s asi me indicaras la manera, sería posible que en la pantalla de edición de artículo nos aparecieran todos los carácteres especiales para poder utilizarlos como en el resto de la wikipedias? y además sería necesario que en esos carácteres se incluyeran especialmente las vocales largas (que son aquellas que tienen encima una barra, por ejemplo: ō), de antemano te agradezco mucho tu ayuda, si gustas contestarme en esta misma wiki en ingles, o en la de la nahuatl, saludos! --Battroid 09:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Translation

Hello! A while ago you signed up to help translate articles from other Wikipedias at Wikipedia:Translators available.

This page has since become obsolete and has been replaced by two userbox templates.

If you are still interested in translating, you may sign up again by using one of the following userboxes on your userpage (while changing, of course, the codes according to the languages you speak):

   {{Translator|es|Spanish}} 
   {{Proofreader|fr|French}} 

We hope to see you soon on Wikipedia:Translation!

Thank you

Thank you for archiving the user page award.  The Transhumanist   22:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Of course... +sj + 00:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking for members to help out with Project Boston

I noticed you are from Boston. I am looking for people to join Project Boston in order to clean up and expand wikipedia articles directly reletated to Boston. If you feel like helping out please join up. Markco1 23:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Atlas

Thanks for joining Commons:WikiProject Atlas. Could you please check add your country of origine and add the tasks/responsibilities you want to take up in the atlas. Electionworld Talk? 12:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Alesia FAR

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PARSER HELP NEEDED

hi. i have started working on a project which involves building a graph by mapping words with same meaning in different languages to each other .This is the same as this project completed at univ. washington seattle http://knowitall-3.cs.washington.edu/panimages/.

i need a parser to read wikitionary for this and then i can build the graph.i dont know much abt parsers and am really inexperienced in this field.i tried to find it on the web but i havent yet.

can u advice me on this and send me some links whr i can find a parser like this.i really need ur help.mail me at sarabjeet85@gmail.com

regards surd —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.110.246.230 (talk) 14:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

Coming to Boston

Hi SJ... I'm still planning to come to boston this week, from tuesday thru Sunday, and would love to borrow your olpc laptop so I can vlog about it, if that's still okay. I can also swing by the olpc offices on Wed afternoon if there's anything vloggable to see there. Drop me an email when you get a chance - andycarvin at yahoo. Thanks! Acarvin 22:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I noticed you are a member of the WikiProject Years talk pages & was wondering if you could check out my questions there? It would be a great help if you could answer them as I'm not familiar with the workings of the project fully... Thanks, Spawn Man 23:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Beverage-can stove FAR

I was leafing through this for the newly-created backpacking project, and frankly I had to put it on FAR. I am notifying you as the original nominator from a long time ago.

Mainly, it needs citations. I'm hoping someone can provide them. Daniel Case 03:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Version 0.5

Hi Sj, how are you! Just to let you know, V0.5 should be coming out later this month. If we at WP:1.0 can help with your laptop project, please let me know. Cheers, Walkerma 04:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I take your point about being over the kids heads. Also, when you review the pages flagged for possible vandalism (we have a script for that) it's amazing how many contain (legitimate_ bad language, as well as adult topics such as discussions of the person's extra-marital affairs, sexuality, etc., much of which would be considered inappropriate for kids. My seven year old likes WP - she reads extremely well but she mainly likes the pictures! (We scaled the pictures down to actual size for V0.5, so we include 8000 pictures along with software and 1964 articles in our 421 MB). User:BozMo is probably the most knowledgable on kid's releases, and his release is coming out on 23rd, though it runs to two CDs in size. I've often thought that we should have a separate Wikipedia for kids - I don't mean the simple English one, but one which focuses on topics kids like, rigorously excludes inappropriate topics, and has lots of pictures.

In the meantime, you have to work with what we have! I think a good starting point would be Wikipedia:Version 0.5/Geography, you could miss out US national park stuff and some of the misc/history. I've realized that nearly all articles tend to be written from a geographical standpoint - "X was an [[Ireland|Irish]] painter, born in Dublin, who worked extensively in Switzerland, painting the Alps" etc, - so it's important to have a good base of places. In V0.5 we have all countries of the world and all global cities. For something going mainly to Africa, you should probably aim to include all capital cities too, as well as major mountain ranges & deserts (these sadly got missed off 0.5) - and you might want to take a look over this list, which I plan to nominate soon for V0.7. BozMo was right about what kids will want to read about (and look at pictures of) - his 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection focused on places, science, animals and dinosaurs, and plants (& let's not forget bugs - a favorite of my daughter!).

I think I'd like to see us have a script that pulls out the lead paragraph of each article. That would allow us to make a CD that contains perhaps 10-20,000 articles with a few pictures. I understand you have severe space restrictions too, and of course for kids you really want to include at least one picture per article if possible.

If you want me to pick out an "editor's choice" - the "must have" portion of Version 0.5 (aimed at kids if you like), I'd be happy to oblige when I get an evening free - let me know. I pretty much know every article on the CD - sad, isn't it!

Oh, by the way, I'm doing a 3 hour workshop on wikis at the 2007 CIT, in Plattsburgh. I would've contacted you, but I only thought to check the abstract submission date on what turned out to be the last day! Cheers, Walkerma 03:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed about a children's version of WP; I'm interested in such a thing as well. Pulling just the lead paragraph of each article is a good idea, and would make articles roughly equivalent to some current children's encyclopedias. I left a note on your talk page as well. -- phoebe (brassratgirl) /(talk) 01:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

BozMo pointed this out to me; not sure why I didn't already know about this. phoebe/(talk) 21:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. I wanted to check in with you before I plunge into preparing a list of articles (for the Children's Machine?) chosen from V0.5. Do you want articles selected mainly on importance? Do you want them to be specifically kid-friendly? (That could be pretty hard, as I mentioned above, unless you run some cleanup scripts) Do you want the list to have a particular emphasis - for example nature, places, or African topics? The other main issue is size. Many of our best articles are (a) long and (b) full of pictures. Will you chop down the articles somehow? Will you pick a just handful of pictures from each article? Let me know, and I'll work on this list during the coming week. BTW, V0.5 is finally supposed to come out tomorrow, if the bank can get things done by then.

I had a great time in Chicago, met lots of good people. I know how you love metadata - take a look at this. Cheers, Walkerma 04:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Medieval Cathedrals are not supported by...

...flying buttocks. You can help dispell this and other myths by adding to the article on the pigbutt worm. I have emailed the press contact at MBARI to see if I can get some free images of the creature. They have many other images that I think it would be interesting to have. Perhaps you should follow up with them? —mako (talk•contribs) 15:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

the names of things

I would go chase Pfeilstorch overwinter, or perhaps get stamps in my passport looking for evidence of God's wit; but I'm too busy at home doing the laundry. You know how I like that ironing. -- phoebe (brassratgirl) /(talk) 20:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Contest judge

Hello! You've been listed as a judge in Messedrocker's Contest. If you have any questions, please ask me on my talk page. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 20:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Luckily, it's very simple. As a judge you'll be determining whether or not a contestant's article is on a well-known topic or a not well-known topic (based on the amount of info available... I use a Google search, plus I determine how niche the topic is). If there is no stub template or WikiProject evaluation, you determine whether or not the article is a stub, start, or B-level article. Although officially not part of the job, I'd recommend also being the one who evaluates said articles for GA status when that time comes. I'll be the one who gives out the money. :) —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 02:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad you're still with us! (i had assumed Sj=Essjay)

Hi SJ, we briefly met offline at Wikimania 2005. i've just been reading about User:Essjay Jan 2006 archival copy and i only just now discovered that you're not the same person... i didn't know him very well as a wikipedian, but looking at his userpage, i have to say his "claims" of being a Theology professor do look a bit satirical, or else as he said, he was an extremely "liberal" theology professor... i actually find it rather funny, and probably rather revealing about the nature of "knowledge" regarding Catholicism - if someone could pretend to be a Catholic theology professor for so long without being outed, is there really any serious knowledge in the field, or just blabla? Anyway, please make sure you have proof of your status as a Nobel laureat in physics and Fields medal in maths before you're outed ;). Or make valid edits and noone will care... i noticed that maths pages on the wikipedia tend to be weak in external references - because it's analytical knowledge, not synthetical knowledge, i guess. cheers, Boud 17:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

As I mentioned in a blog post about the situation, I'm disappointed in the community's treatment of the developments; his page was indeed a bit satirical, and his important contributions did not hinge on putative expertise that only such a professor would have... I will try to improve the maths pages when I have more time - they need more than just references, they need elegant explanations rather than simply logical sequences of facts. Thanks for saying hello; +sj + 06:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

FAR of Humpback Whale

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Wikipedians categorising themsleves

Hi there. I noticed you were in Category:Bellaire High School Students & Alumni, but the category doesn't specify which school it is referring to, as there are several listed at Bellaire High School. I was going to propose a renaming to make it fit along the lines of the generally accepted naming conventions, but I don't know what name to propose it to until I know which exact school this category is for. As you are the only user in the category, any help would be appreciated. Thanks, VegaDark 04:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

--

I noticed recently that you have categorised your User page in both Category:Harvard University alumni and Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Harvard. The former seems inappropriate and contradicts the guideline for categorising User namespaces; the latter is endorsed at Wikipedia:User categorisation. Please edit your User page accordingly. Thanks!--Vbd (talk) 20:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Please attend, videotape, and upload--please!

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/clinicalwiki/Internet_Speech_Panel_at_HLS

I have regularly visited the since its beginning.

Please! lots of issues | leave me a message 22:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your vote. I know we haven't always seen eye to eye, and it meant a lot all the more so because of that. Danny 01:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

meta-articles

This old article is amazing to me as an example of this new not-my-problem-ism on wp. Look at all the people who touched it! And I love that the first draft was a statement of purpose. Anyway, do you think the rdr is ok? -- phoebe/(talk) 02:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Essjay, a gay professor of theology?

Hi Sammy, just kind of stumbled upon that Essjay-Story and loved it. How did you manage to keep your face straight through that interview? Thomas suspected he might have been the role model for Essjay, but since Essjay's Catholic, I assured him there could be no chance of that... Found this: http://www.wondermark.com/d/291.html on the Internet. That guy definitely looks like you. Definitely. How's everything with you? Am working on my doctorate (and feel quite incompetent, but that's another story...)

So much for now, Love, Miriam

• hmm, it might be time to make your "I'm not essjay" disclaimer a little more visible ;) -- phoebe/(talk) 18:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

better still, perhaps I can get Ryan to host an essjay-alike contest. I bet he would make a good Simon Fuller... +sj +

The great essjay doppelgänger contest should be an integral part of sockpuppet theatre this August, for sure... no doubt wikimiracles will be in abundance. -- phoebe/(talk) 20:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

German irony...

...apparently is lost in translation. Oh well. The link below might clear things up. All those SJ doppelgänger (I love my German keyboard!) out there... And yes, the plural of "Doppelgänger" is indeed "Doppelgänger"!;.) -Miriam

Dearest Miriam, I understood completely :-) now I feel the urge to draft a one-act about a gay Catholic priest with wiki-addiction modeled after Thomas... And that comic is *awesome*. I have to grow my hair out a bit so I can stride forth and perform NPOViracles, wikifying the wicked, prodding the protestant, and sourcing the sick. +sj + (who wants a german keyboard, but instead has the choice between a Hausa and a Thai keyboard...) 16:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[did I say] below? I meant above...Oh well, here it is again: http://www.wondermark.com/d/291.html

User:Essjay

At first, I was soooo excited when I saw your Username! I thought User:Essjay had come back. Sadly, no... Do you know who he is? I heard about his 'story' but I have never seen his userpage nor see obne of his contributions before. Please tell me anything you know about User:Essjay, thanks.

I wish I knew myself. I've sent him a couple of emails; I enjoyed having him around these parts. +sj + 00:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

(It may sound a bit random for somebody you never heard of to talk to you, but I do want to know about Essjay) Littleghostboo[ talk ] (Win an argument and leave your mark in history.) 07:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Wahl des Schiedgerichts

Hallo Sj,

ich habe mich zur Wikipedia:Schiedsgericht/Wahl gestellt und würde mich freuen, wenn Du meine Nominierung unterstützt.

--Sebastian Wallroth 18:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Blog House

Hey SJ, would you be willing to post the archive of the deleted article for Blog House, perhaps on that talk page? People have been asking for the resources on the page.

Thanks!

The Starkest 18:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I do have a talk page, but it's my incognito UN. I think I'll get a new one... (Oh, and this isn't usually my IP, good thing I managed to get back on it!)

Image:China (223).jpg

Hello, Sj. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:China (223).jpg) was found at the following location: User:Sj/meshofresources. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 20:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Blog URL gone 404

SJ: your blog URL has gone 404. Any new location? --ESP 14:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Whoops! The server moved and changed urls. See the new url - I should move it back to the old address and add in a redirect. +sj + 00:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

List of names that take the definite article

Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from articles{{#if:List of names that take the definite article|...

1. Place {{hangon}} on the page. Please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag(s).
2. Make your case on the article's talk page.

Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. dcandeto 00:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Please do not misplace speedy tags; this does not help the encyclopedia or its editors. The 'hangon' template is not for misapplied speedy tags -- anyone can remove a misapplied tag, including the author. Lists, even unencyclopedic ones, do not automatically qualify for speedy deletion. +sj + 00:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The speedy deletion tag and the AfD were both appropriately placed; any removal should have been (and was eventually correctly) done by an administrator, not by the article's creator. dcandeto 04:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

As Stephen noted when removing your speedy tag, 'unencyclopedic' and 'WP:NOT' are not speedy criteria. Please don't abuse that tag. +sj +

SJ!!

Hello my friend, thank you for the compliments regarding my photography, which is a great source of pleasure and pride for me. I was just discussing with my girlfriend the composer Mahler a couple of days ago, and it made me think of a conversation I had with your mother in which she said she couldn't imagine a world without Mahler. It's nice to know people who know that Mahler isn't a brand of beer. Please give your wonderful mother my regards. I hope all is going well for you. Keep in touch with me at terrywfoote at gmail.com All the best, Terry, a.k.a. Googie man 18:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Wheel warring

You have just involved yourself in the biggest bout of wheel warring I've seen on Wikipedia. That you have not discussed anything yourself, and yet tell other people to "Please discuss before wheel warring" really isn't helping things. I suggest you desist immediately, and familiarize yourself with the extensive discussion on the topic, e.g. at the admin board. >Radiant< 14:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Your kind attention – [3]. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{C} 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I was about to add that link. >Radiant< 14:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

And yes, it is wheel warring to undo another's admin action once, especially if that action had already been done and undone by others a few times. I think you're quite aware of that, or you wouldn't have asked other people to "not wheel war" while you were wheel warring yourself. It's highly inappropriate that you're unwilling to as much as explain yourself, other than by stating that you apparently think the end justifies the means. >Radiant< 08:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your random acts of BJAODN sanity -- cheers! — Matt Crypto 20:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. How are we supposed to create BJAODN Mark II with BLP and GFDL compliance if only admins are allowed to see the old pages? I'm personally in support of this - it's no more contentious than the decision to remove them (without discussion) in the first place. Orderinchaos 10:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Incoming ArbCom, Sj. It really was quite ridiculous that you admonished to "stop wheel warring" while wheel warring yourself over dozens of pages. Considering how long you've been with the project, you should really know better. --Cyde Weys 01:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		I've never given out a barnstar before since I think they're lame, but considering the spirit of things (being lame), I'm proud to give you this Original Barnstart for undeleting BJAODN! -- Ned Scott 09:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Governor william preston lane jr of maryland.jpg

I have placed {{no source}} and {{no rationale}} on this Image. A source to where the file came from must be provided as well as a fair use rationale as boilerplate templates are simply not enough for fair use criteria. — Moe ε 02:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Returning *wave*

Hello - long time no see! Yes I've just amended my userpage to describe my level of not quite offline-ness but could be. In fact I should be totally offline today as I'm supposed to be tidying my apartment but keep ending up checking my watch list *sigh* Secretlondon 13:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Alchemy FAR Review

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Undeletionism

File:WWDBarnstar.svg		Wheel Warring Undeletionist Barnstar
		I give you this Wheel Warring Undeletionist Barnstar for your recent "spree" culminating with the undeletion of the late late Wikipedia:Eleventy-billion pool article. Keep up the good work! —mako (talk•contribs) 23:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

If you could copy that text into my user space somewhere, I'd like to have a discussion of this article in order to get it get it added back. I like that page and don't see any reason to include it under the same decision that got rid of many of the other (superficially similar) pages. —mako (talk•contribs) 23:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Ha! image deleted for CSD G10: Image was only used to reward editors for wheel warring. Fascinatingly, G10 is apparently the criteria for "Attack pages. Pages that serve no purpose but to disparage their subject or some other entity." Ah, so now deletionism is an entity? Can it vote? ... I guess we'll just have to make do with a stiff drink instead of a barnstar. -- phoebe/(talk) 23:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

As I pointed out on the deleter's talk page, it seem that the ironic humor of a rapidly deleted undeletionst barnstar is one type of humor that is still allowed on Wikipedia. I'll settle for that and the drink. mako (talk•contribs) 11:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

umbrellas all around! -- phoebe/(talk) 00:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Steward for African languages

Sam, I've just proposed that you focus your steward responsibilities on African languages. Look at Steward for African languages discussion page. Hope you accept :-) Best wishes, Oliver

Eleventy billion

I disagree. This pool is just another instance of the "make semi-funny guesses for an arbitrary large number of articles" pools. Such pools are in effect all alike, so the same arguments apply to all of them. If MFD decides to delete the "squillion pool" and somebody creates a "bazillion pool" that is essentially the same, then the same MFD applies. >Radiant< 11:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you read the deletion discussions in which most delete votes mentioned "delete since we already have the eleventy-billion pool"? That's the argument that doesn't apply.

Of course I did, and you apparently did not, or you would know that in four debates combined, a grand total of two delete commenters mention the EBP. >Radiant< 10:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I count seven. It's not the number of them that matters, it's the fact that the last deletion discussion ended in a speedy keep based on a reading of those previous discussions. It seems quite obvious to me that few people fail to appreciate the humor of the eleventy-billion pool or similar elements of wp-humor. Unfortunately, the deletionists in this case keep on bringing up the point and occasionally quietly deleting heavily-edited articles without discussion. I wish you wouldn't support this. +sj + 15:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, no. The last deletion discussion was unanimously in favor of deletion, based on a reading of those previous discussions. I am quite in favor of humoristic pools, such as the 500th language one or the Last Topic Pool; it's just that arbitrary lists aren't funny. See also Uncyclopedia:How To Be Funny And Not Just Stupid. >Radiant< 15:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I meant the last informed deletion discussion. Almost every one of those votes was misinformed or (in the case of speedies) against policy, having been confused by the out of process speedy that preceeded it and the biased framing of the situation in the MfD nomination. Let's take a look:

Was deleted months ago, [ out of process --sj ] but undeleted yesterday by User:Sj as part of his massive wheel warring spree (see WP:ANI for details). Of course, Astroguy is involved in this page as well. Suggest deletion once again; we have way too many of these mostly-identical pools [ there are no other humorous article pools; this is the equiv of the 500th lang / last topic pool for articles --sj ], and the joke fell flat after the first few.

• Delete, not useful. This should be speedied per CSD G4. John Vandenberg 09:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  Not a speedy candidate. Humerous project articles shouldn't be judged by 'useful'.

• Delete I wouldn't have deleted it myself, but I understand why it's not needed. The background to this discussion is an important factor. Placeholder account 12:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  background to this discussion was misrepresented

• Delete This does not help wikipedia so we should delete this.--James, La gloria è a dio 13:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I agree with Sir James. -Zacharycrimsonwolf 14:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment This should never of been undeleted in the first place.--James, La gloria è a dio 15:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  These editors don't seem to realize the existence of humerous articles at all.

• Speedy Delete If possible. If it was restored as part of wheel warring a day ago, skip this and delete it. Wikihermit (Talk • HermesBot) 00:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

  Not a speedy candidate, and not restored as part of wheel warring.

• Delete, should be speedied. bibliomaniac15 An age old question... 03:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, should be speedied, but I may not do so, as I deleted it last time. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 21:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

  Not a speedy candidate -- indicates confusion about the history, or about process in general. Arthur Rubin in particular should not, by any stretch of interpretation of community norms or policy, have speedied it last year in the first place.

• Delete ASAP Predictions of future events are not suitable for Wikipedia. -- Hdt83 Chat 07:13, 10 June 2007

  Thorough confusion of style guidelines for normal namespace and wikipedia namespace... apparently not aware of the existence of pools at all.

• Speedy delete.

  Not a speedy candidate.

• Well, then I suggest you take it to DRV. I dissent with your opinion that (nearly) every single person who disagrees with you is misinformed. >Radiant< 09:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I've asked Sj to post the text of the article in my user space. I'm happy to take this to DRV. mako (talk•contribs) 01:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

110B

If you copied the late late 110B article into my userspace, you didn't link it right. It seems to be a dead link now. mako (talk•contribs) 11:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

OLPC content

Earlier today, I sat in on Mary Lou Jepsen's concluding talk at Usenix on the OLPC project, and got a chance to see the prototype she'd brought from China. We should talk sometime about where OLPC is going, preloadable-content-wise, and what that project needs help with... seems like an excellent thing to spend some volunteer time pushing forwards. Georgewilliamherbert 07:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't use IRC much anymore (not sure if I have a working client anywhere, but I could fix that). I agree that a wikiproject for OLPC might be a good thing to do... Georgewilliamherbert 22:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

musica erudita

this picture on pt: reminded me of your efforts to get your mother to help with our woeful classical articles. This sort of self-reference (not to mention logo concern) would get deleted on en:, I imagine, which is a pity. It's a nice image. Found in the midst of referencing musicians; it turns out I have online access to the Grove. Exciting! -- phoebe/(talk) 21:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

IRC

Hi! As a member of the Wikipedia 1.0 Review Team, I frequent #wikipedia-1.0. I noticed that for 47 weeks, no channel operator has logged on. I contacted Sean W about getting access, and he told me that it wasn't his place to grant me operator status. He suggested that I contact an operator of the channel with an access level of 30; that would be you!

So if you could grant me operator status, I would be grateful. Thanks! Greeves ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

IRC

Sorry I didn't respond to your comment sooner. Yes, I am Greeves on IRC for #wikiproject. Thanks! Greeves ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

step right up!

record keeping! NickJ rocks hard. also: hot damn, are you using this? -- phoebe/(talk) 04:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Redirects with potential

I was reading the mailing list and spotted this in one of your posts (well, I hope I have the right Sj): "Finally, do we need a variant of #REDIRECT that clearly identifies that the original title should have its own separate article someday, but doesn't now? something that allows links to still show up as red in MediaWiki?" - I think you are looking for Category:Redirects with possibilities, which is applied with {{R with possibilities}}. Hope that helps. Carcharoth 15:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Your post here was mentioned in the July 23, 2007 Harvard Business School Working Knowledge forum and paraphrased as 'Look, Wikipedia is this very freeform environment. This is what I feel like doing. If you don't like it, feel free to change it.' -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 01:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Static content

Hi,

I have started a project on the Romanian Wikipedia to deliver the content of the Romanian version on CD. Due to a probable lack of resources (mainly human), I was hoping to keep the first release as simple as possible, namely to use the snapshots at http://static.wikipedia.org/ . However, this puts up the problem of trademarks. I would like to know the limitations on the use the html dump, knowing that there is no Romanian Wikimedia (although there are plans to create it). We don't plan to sell the CDs, but rather donate them to libraries and interested NGOs. I'm writing to you because you seem to be in the static content committee. If I got the wrong person, I apologize.

Thanks in advance for your help. -- Strainu

Wikikids

Hi, I got your message, I guess it's about Vikidia. I can't reach you by phone (it doesn't work), anyway that would be nice to talk about that. You can try my phone : 0033 3 21 07 48 33. Thanks ! Astirmays 21:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

OLPC goals

Hi,

I was referred to you when I asked on the OLPC wiki about how Wikipedians could help. I have a reasonable amount of Wikipedia experience, and I've heard that some parts of Wikipedia may make it on to the XO. Do you have any concrete information about how Wikipedia will be involved with OLPC? Is there anything that a Wikipedian can do to help the OLPC project? I have good copyediting, technical writing, and wiki skills, though I'm unfortunately monolingual. Thanks. -- Creidieki 02:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiWax

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What happened to your blog?

It appears that the link to your blog (from your user page) no longer works. If you have relocated your blog, please update the link; otherwise, please remove it. 68.161.106.223 22:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Academia and Wikipedia Conference

Hi Sj, not sure if I mentioned this before, but you may be interested in this meeting in Paris in October - as long as your French is up for it (it's in French)! (Not sure if mine is, but what the heck, I'm going!) The meeting will focus on how to make Wikipedia into a (more) trusted and reliable source, and how the academic community might become more involved in a productive way. Est-ce que tu veux aller? Cordialement, Walkerma 04:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, my English is poor but Walkerma could say more about me :). I am Pascal Martin of Linterweb, the French society which works with Walkerma to put an English selection of Wikipedia. If you need help for laptop project we could help you. You can contact me in my mail pmartinATlinterweb.com. Pascal Martin

Now that's a bad joke

for cryin' out loud. -- phoebe/(talk) 13:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wkislice

Just wanted to drop a line commenting that Wikiskice is a very nice initiative, good luck with it! Daoken 06:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

enthusiastic deletion

only 9 months late. Did you get any message about this? phoebe/(talk) 20:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Not a peep. That's really quite aggravating. +sj + 22:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• Please read Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award. If there's an overwhelming consensus to get rid of things, you do not get to keep them around in your userspace simply because you happen to like them. I've taken this to DRV. >Radiant< 10:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Woof!

Count me in.  :) — Catherine\^talk 23:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Slices

Hello. The slice on International organizations is outdated, the definition has changed by consensus at the main article. How we change the slice to reflect the update? Also a question, should the slice be simplified in language for reaching younger readers? Regards Daoken 07:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

soon, you'll need your own press section

I had no idea you were so fond of pineapple :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoebe (talk • contribs) 07:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC) Also! You should beat Todd up. Should I work on fixing it up, or let it die a natural death? I'm not convinced this dude is notable ;) -- phoebe/(talk) 17:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Intentional Software

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That's a bit careless. Did you do any investigation at all? +sj + 00:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Please review meta humor

Sj: Could you do us all a favor? Please review and get rid of the pages in http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Humor that are not funny. Just get rid of the stuff that is not entertaining and is just tedious. I can appreciate geeky humor but most of that stuff out-of-date is not funny. It is just drivel. Go read some of it and ask yourself: Do I really laugh at this? Do I really feel better after reading it for its humor value as opposed to maybe its nostalgia value? Look at http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=laughter+is+the+best+medicine . But that pile of humor mostly stinks to a point of being life-shortening rather than the other way around. If you do not have time, do you maybe have a trusted apprentice you could task with the job? I am not frustrated, but I would expect that for some frustrated new users, it would lead to them punting rather than collaborating.--Agentareas 09:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

It's alright, Lar. Agentareas, I'll take a look; I find that many new users are impatient and have a strong reaction to humor that doesn't suit them. Most of these end up deleting pages that both have long tradition behind them and that many contributors find funny. What I am most perplexed by is not the middling quality of humor on funny pages, but the rage and frustration that unappreciated humor incites in some. (perhaps not in you, but in the people whose frustration you hope to alleviate). +sj + 18:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

banners! (from meta)

thanks for the offer to make wikimania 2008 banners... perhaps a variety of banners for different contexts would be useful. I still have my talk-page 'header' from wikimaina 2006, which was fun for promotion... see my talk page on en. +sj | help with translation |+ 22:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I have made one seen here. I have an animated banner in progress. Yet, my issue is that whenever I make banners, no one ever uses them (or few people use them) as seen with the Wikimedia Commons banner. We can take a vote to see which banners are most popular, translate them into popular languages (this will be at a later point in time in the year), and see how it will go. We need merchandise, too. How about Cafe Press merchandising? Miranda 10:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bootcamp/calendar

Hi Sj, do you mind if Wikipedia:Bootcamp/calendar gets deleted? Or does the page still have a use?--Montchav 09:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Weekly Episode 34

zOMG! Wikipedia Weekly Episode 34 has been released, and it's the biggest panel in quite a while!

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Notes

Speedy deletion of Image:Wikipedesketch4.png ... no image! wonder what it was... note that it's from 2004. +sj +

best deletion comment ever

"A very, very strong delete Not in any way encyclopediac or useful, enjoyable or helpful, the only things that can come out of this is violation and irritation." from the facebook mfd.

Sort of how I feel about wikipedia generally... see also biting. Heh.

Also, from the discussion just above it... "Delete Humor does not belong on wikipedia. We are an encyclopedia."...."We are an encyclopedia. Its okay to joke around, but setting up a page of humor is crossing the line. Thats just my POV."

OMG. -- phoebe/(talk) 22:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

from featured sounds

specially for your mom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoebe (talk • contribs) 05:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Give One Get One

Hi SJ, completely off topic, but this is a great campaign, I just ordered one! I hope you sell a million boxes! --WiseWoman (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Ian MacDonald

Hello Sj. You wrote on my user talk page and mentioned that your mother corresponded with Ian McDonald, the rock critic, many years ago. I didn't know McDonald but I'm always watching his wikipedia page. How did your mother know him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack39 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Enterprise social software

Enterprise social software, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Enterprise social software satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Enterprise social software and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Enterprise social software during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Spartaz ^Humbug! 23:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Not again! Sheesh. HBS will have a field day. -- phoebe/(talk) 19:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Eleemosynary

I put Eleemosynary up for WP:PROD. I don't think there's a need for a disambig page, with only one article. Superm401 - Talk 21:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Weekly Episode 36

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oh noez! they be deletin' us.

help save the old codgers! -- phoebe/(talk) 22:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Old Codgers aren't on any endangered species list yet. :) Phoebe provided some context about the origins of the phrase at the discussion, so there's no longer any focus toward deletion ... just renaming or listifying. – Black Falcon ^(Talk) 23:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Wolfram Demonstrations Project discussion so far

Sj: Wolfram Research now has the revised Terms of Use up for the Demonstrations Project. The preliminary Wikipedia discussion is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#Visualization_project. --Pleasantville (talk) 21:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC) aka Kathryn Cramer

Sj: Can you reply to this comment on the new Demonstraions license? Thanks. --Pleasantville (talk) 13:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC) aka Kathryn Cramer

Editing your subpage

Sj, to explain why I'm editing User:Sj/olpc dictionary images/100, I am moving free images to the commons, and bungled a move: I didn't check whether an image that I moved (local en:Image:brush.jpg to commons:Image:Paintbrushes.jpg) and changed the name of here would conflict with another local image (en:Image:Paintbrushes.jpg). So, until the local copy of the conflicting image has been deleted (which I have requested) I've had to temporarily remove references to the name, as they are pointing to an unintended file. I'll put them back asap. Sorry for editing your subpage! Cheers, and I hope this explanation wasn't too confusing. --Storkk (talk) 15:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It's done now, so I've fixed the name on your subpage. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers, Storkk (talk) 03:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and no worries. It was the right resolution... +sj + 06:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

transwiki hel(p)

is this still how transwikis are done? Yikes. Please advise. -- phoebe/(talk) 07:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes. See the Import feature for a smoother way to do the same thing.+sj + 06:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)