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Bach's cross edit
I asked on the Bach talk page a while ago why it should have been retained. No one answered, so I removed it.
There's no information in the main text or in the caption justifying its inclusion. What does it add to the article? What are its historical roots?
Tony 14:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I believe it's mainly an alternative presentation of the BACH motif in four different keys which shows why this is a cruciform. Although I haven't found any source for this, I think the creator of the image wanted to show how this motif can be a cruciform. Icons are usually used in Bach music ([1]) and this, though without citation, can be an iconic representation. Anyway, I'm doing more research on this. In any case you can change the picture with Image:B-a-c-h.svg which is the same motif but in one single key. --Shervinafshar 15:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Farsi References edit
Shervinafshar,
On the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad page, an editor has added the {{citecheck}} tag because the article relies on links in Farsi. There are a total of 15 citations which are written in Farsi which he has added the {{check}} tag to. Would you be able to, or do you know someone who could or somewhere to post a request, to check these citations? I would be more than happy to return the favor for any article that you would need a hand with. Thanks! Vir4030 20:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Shervinafshar,
I just wanted to contact you because of your vote to keep with major cleanup at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Iranianism. There is a movement on the Talk:Anti-Iranianism to do just that but it is being met by some fierce resistance by the creators of the article. Would you mind taking a look?
Thanks, GabrielF 00:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
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Guide to referencing edit
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings to display the date in the format the user wishes.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
More information can be found at:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. |
Article about بیوانفورماتیک edit
Shervinafshar, good morning. Could you please have a look at the article about بیوانفورماتیک and see what it is all about? Is this something that should go to the Persian WP or is it not notable? Could you find somebody at the fa: WP who could understand the issue and make a recommendation? See also previous discussion at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English#بیوانفورماتیک. Andreas (T) 12:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
COIN, OUTING edit
Hi Shervinafshar your posting at COIN was great, except for the external link, which puts you in ~possible~ violation of OUTING. I have removed it, and asked for Oversight to revdel it. Would you please repost it, without the external link and the argument based on it? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 21:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the message. I considered the possibility of OUTING before doing that post, but since the username is very clearly related to the organization that the subject of the article is heading, then it's even considered promotional username and I don't think those fall under OUTING. -- Shervinafshar (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- the external link that i thought was potentially troublesome was the one showing they are co-authors. using external evidence to prove a connection here within WP, is iffy. That is the part i recommend you leave out. If that means you make two cases, so be it.... It ~might~ be Ok to use it, but especially since at least one of them is very established here, you want to be super super clean and careful. I think it is a good case btw and hope they are graceful. the link to Bstone's company is in his article, so no big deal there. Jytdog (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tips and help. --Shervinafshar (talk) 00:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- you are welcome. thanks for catching this, and i hope you do re-post. it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Jytdog (talk) 00:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Um, Shervinafshar knows Evertype personally, and has also co-authored a paper with him. His grudge against Evertype and myself relates to an argument on the private Unicode Technical Committee mailing list. (BTW I do not own a company, and BabelStone is simply the user name I use across the internet.) BabelStone (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Unrelated. "Grudge" or not Wikipedia is not your old boys club so your friends can write articles about you and praise your work. The article created under your name has issues which should be resolved. Also, you committed WP:OUTING. "BableStone" is your domain and brand name and is not acceptable as WP username. --Shervinafshar (talk) 18:53, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- hey, folks - it would be great if Shervinafshar would respond over at COIN, and if the two of you kept your dispute out of WP. If you bring it here, you will both probably end up topic banned or interaction-banned, if you cannot restrain yourselves. Jytdog (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- I did respond on COIN. And off-wiki disputes, even if existing, are not related to the topic of COIN request.--Shervinafshar (talk) 19:17, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- hey, folks - it would be great if Shervinafshar would respond over at COIN, and if the two of you kept your dispute out of WP. If you bring it here, you will both probably end up topic banned or interaction-banned, if you cannot restrain yourselves. Jytdog (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Unrelated. "Grudge" or not Wikipedia is not your old boys club so your friends can write articles about you and praise your work. The article created under your name has issues which should be resolved. Also, you committed WP:OUTING. "BableStone" is your domain and brand name and is not acceptable as WP username. --Shervinafshar (talk) 18:53, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Um, Shervinafshar knows Evertype personally, and has also co-authored a paper with him. His grudge against Evertype and myself relates to an argument on the private Unicode Technical Committee mailing list. (BTW I do not own a company, and BabelStone is simply the user name I use across the internet.) BabelStone (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- you are welcome. thanks for catching this, and i hope you do re-post. it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Jytdog (talk) 00:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tips and help. --Shervinafshar (talk) 00:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- the external link that i thought was potentially troublesome was the one showing they are co-authors. using external evidence to prove a connection here within WP, is iffy. That is the part i recommend you leave out. If that means you make two cases, so be it.... It ~might~ be Ok to use it, but especially since at least one of them is very established here, you want to be super super clean and careful. I think it is a good case btw and hope they are graceful. the link to Bstone's company is in his article, so no big deal there. Jytdog (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
15924 & Unicode edit
I'm fine with that. (and really, me writing "Goof Faith edit" was a typo not a bad joke ;-).). The connection Unicode—ISO 15924 is a tough topic to maintain here at enwiki, especially since following ISO 15924 maintenance (over at say Unicode) costs energy. For me, [2] is illusutration not fact, only the normative plain-text is. Unicode in itself is stable, and that is way I reverted. -DePiep (talk) 20:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- That makes sense, but "Not in Unicode" statement in the template can be amended with some extra information for clarity (even if it's on projected changes). I'm fine with any wording which distinguishes between (a) a writing system which is not yet in Unicode and there is no concrete addition plans (according to roadmaps) for it so far (such as Book Pahlavi) and (b) those scripts which were proposed, worked on, and are already on the roadmap for addition; e.g. Adlam and Tangut. --Shervinafshar (talk) 20:40, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)I've not checked recently, but in 2013–2014 I met great differences between formal ISO_15924 definition file and enwiki Unicode tables, by PVA (i.e. our page was not according to the source!). IIRC, it was sushed by 'trust me, it's OK'. I did not accept that, and it was OK when I left that discussion. In other words: Unicode & ISO_15924 must correspond with their core sources, and we should take care of that. -DePiep (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- re 20:40, post (PVA= Propery Value Alias, =the Unicode defined & used name for a 15924 script):
- 1. Adlam is not published by Unicode, so it is not in Unicode (we could mention Adlam in Unicode#Future, and in Adlam article). This is the easiest reply. It's Unicode only.
- 2. ISO 15924 has announced the addition "Adlm (166) = Adlam has PVA" [3], 2014-11-15. This is informal.
- 3. ISO 15924 has not published formally the Adlam PVA name [4].
- ISO 15924 management is chaotic. Let us not get involved in their problem & quarrel, we at enwiki can not solve that. (For example, they had the wrong normative file on site for over a year). -DePiep (talk) 21:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
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