User talk:Sesel/Second Archive

This is the second page of discussion.

Peace in our time

Hi Sesel I notice you deleted this political epiphet.. It is, of course, a matter of opinion, but I felt this was a valid addition. I have heard it used with great contempt by people criticising the appeasement of dictators, most recently towards those who were against the invasion of Iraq. Cheers ping 07:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

The problem wasn't with the addition itself, but rather the way it was presented (POV), i.e. "the dangers of pacifism and appeasement" if I remember correctly. —Seselwa 20:21, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars deletion

• • Please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks. I don't understand why there are so many attacking me, the contributor, rather than my contribution. I made these THREE nominations in earnest, because I sincerly believe the articles do not belong here. Attack that, not my motives. Okay? I would delete your comment (as per Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks), but as I am the victim in this case I don't think it's appropriate.--67.123.232.156 03:40, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

A Request

I am about to temporarily leave Wikipedia. As you may have noticed, I have contributed a lot to areas about modern politics, and I seem to have taken charge of updating List of foreign ministers in 2005. I know that you also edit a lot about political events, and am wondering if you could take over maintaining that page, or help me find someone else to do it. Thank you. Academic Challenger 04:28, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Have a nice trip. —Seselwa 10:21, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

FAC

I have put up Democratic Labour Party (Trinidad and Tobago) as a FAC. I was wondering if you might be willing to contribute any feedback (I should have asked you at the peer review stage, didn't think of it at the time). Thanks.

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Democratic Labour Party (Trinidad and Tobago)

Guettarda 14:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Élie Doté

Could you provide more info about the Central African Republic's new prime minister so the changes could be made to the appropriate pages. Thanks Zntrip 01:56, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)Zntrip

I got the name from www.rulers.org. Little information is available because he is not well-known in the CAR. He is apparently a 57-year-old agronomist for the African Development Bank. —Seselwa 16:43, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for supporting my RFA. Guettarda 00:24, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property

Please explain how this article is "notable" w.r.t. Inappropriate Uses of Wikipedia? Ariele 03:08, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Awami League and Sheikh Hasina

Bangladesh Awami League is NOT a left wing party. Rather it can be termed as liberal/moderate center right. Thanks. --Ragib 02:59, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Images

Hi, I found you on the list of Wikipedians from Minnesota. I've been working on the Norman Borlaug article and we need some GFDL compatible images, are you in the vicinity of the University of Minnesota St Paul Campus? If so would you be able to take a picture of the bust of Borlaug at Borlaug Hall, you can see the non-free pic here Image:Borlaug2003.jpg. Many thanks if you can, and thanks anyway if you can't. --nixie 1 July 2005 03:53 (UTC)

update of Sulejman Tihić?

I fixed the outdated information that Sulejman Tihić is still the chairman of the Presidency. Is there anything else? I can't find any other urgent changes on Google News at least. --Joy [shallot] 9 July 2005 15:08 (UTC)

Pawlenty

Pawlenty has faced some criticism for traveling abroad while the economy and living conditions deteriorated after September 11.

could you provided some stats showing living conditions deteriorated in MinnesotaSmith03 16:36, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Misinterpretation

hi, when i write rv-> Sesel it means i reverted to your correct version. But i know it's just my way and it seems it can be misinterpreted, sorry for that. (:Julien:) 19:05, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Leftist COTW?

Hi,

I'd like to know what you would think about starting a 'Leftist Parties and Movements COTW'? --Soman

Would the article take the form of a list like I have on my user subpage, or a prose summary of the situation of leftist movements in different countries? —Seselwa 02:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

My suggestion would be a COTW, where an individual party would be selected each week, and that article would be expanded into Featured Article-quality. The model would be something like Portuguese Communist Party. --Soman

Sure. Articles that I would especially like to see expanded are Union of the Peoples of Cameroon, Convention People's Party, Chama Cha Mapinduzi, Pakistan People's Party, Albanian Party of Labour, Social Democratic Party of Austria, National Liberation Front (Algeria), Iraqi Communist Party, Istiqlal, Syrian Communist Party, Paraguayan Communist Party, Sudanese Communist Party (when the article is created) and Tupamaros. The PPP should be a first priority, in my opinion, because (1) it is a major political party in one of the most populous countries in the world, (2) it has a very interesting history of radicalism, repression, factionalism, and political degeneration, and (3) there is a relative abundance of literature available (e.g., ISBN 0195799666, ISBN 0195776976, parts of ISBN 185984457X and ISBN 0224618644). But I'd like to hear your suggestions before a formal nomination is presented. —Seselwa 15:44, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Request for comment (User:Ultramarine)

Hi. I was wondering whether you'd like to have a look over the dispute at Criticisms of communism and the RfC at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ultramarine. This is a situation involving a POV warrior that is intent on purging the wiki of all "incorrect" views - that is, views contrary to his right-wing Truth. -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 18:37, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment! -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 09:12, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

List of US Foreign Interventions

You have blocked List of U.S. foreign interventions since 1945 just after an edit who erased a lot of entries without propper discution in the forum... all the entries were erased by the desition of only one user... I think it would bebetter to revert to the last edit before the last user (Jebba edit) and then block it again... I agree with you that this list must be discussed, but I think the blocked version should have all the "allegued" entries...

I or another administrator will unlock it once there is consensus on the discussion page regarding the definition of an "intervention". Just because a page is protected does not mean that a particular version is preferred or is more accurate. —Seselwa 09:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

User:Jenmoa/birthday --User:Jenmoa 06:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your kindness. I can't believe I'm already 17! —Seselwa 06:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

IDRIVE

Thank you for your support of This week's Improvement Drive. This week Spice trade was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help…

Vanuatu

Your claim that because Bislama was lexified by english, therefore a Bislama word is in fact and English word is still erroneous; my assertion to that effect was not "uneducated". Since the existence of the term "Ni-Vanuatu" is not in question, but it's appropriateness for use on wikipedia, the burden is on you to demonstrate that this is the common English term, as article/category names are based on common usage (per the examples I cited). The OED, the wiktionary, and dictionary.com speak to this question, and were provided as evidence while your own argument was not supported. It's not "uneducated" of me to point out a flaw in your argument and make a conclusion based on the evidence provided. siafu 15:31, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I tend to believe that citing several sources more familiar with Vanuatu than you or the three sources you mention counts as "evidence" and "support". Or did you not bother to read them? —Seselwa 15:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Sources familiar with Vanuatu are unfortunately less relevant than those intimately familiar with the English language, as common use is preferred. Stressing to me repeatedly that people from Vanuatu use the term "Ni-Vanuatu" does not adress the issue. I would even go so far as to agree that Ni-Vanuatu is more accurate and I plan on using it in my personal speech preferentially, but that's not the explicit criterion for use in wikipedia as a title. siafu 15:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Ultramarine

You made some sensible comments on proof in the social sciences in Ultramarine's RfC. Unfortunately, it didn't sink in; in fact, some more recent comments have led me to suspect that his real standard is: it's a good source if it supports my PoV.

I have also been persuaded to file an RfAr against him for more obvious violations of policy. Septentrionalis 18:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Communist University of the Toilers of the East (KUTV)

Hi there. You might like to ahve a look at this since you seem to be into this sort of thing. It's come up a lot in things I've been reading lately but I couldn't find any good information about it. I've created this stub, do you think you can find any more info? Palmiro | Talk 17:59, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

List of official languages by country

On the list of official languages by country Mais oui! keeps adding Wales claiming that it is a country. I have told him to stop adding it, but he wont stop. Could you talk some sense into him to get him to stop? – Zntrip 01:38, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Democracy activists

On which basis you tag bio articles with Category:Democracy activists? I've recently removed this category from the Saad Hariri article, since this politician is highly criticised and putting this category is very NPOV. And I'm sure that there's a lot of articles that face the same issue. Do you think this category is really "safe"? CG 17:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Saad Hariri was probably the most controversial politician I added. Since he is now removed, the next-most would be the ultra-corrupt Pakistani duo Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, who have formed a united opposition to counter General Musharraf. The rest, I think, would have fairly widespread consensus. —Seselwa 20:04, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

So what about Rómulo Betancourt? (quote form the article "Betancourt suspended civil liberties..."). Berisha, Violeta Chamorro??? Hardly any consensus emerging there. --Soman 09:28, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Betancourt is widely known as the "father of Venezuelan democracy". Berisha essentially led the democracy movement in Albania during the Alia years. Chamorro was the UNO candidate for the presidency of Nicaragua, the widow of publisher Pedro Chamorro. They replaced Gómez, Hoxha, and Ortega, which might get a doctrinaire leftist upset. —Seselwa 09:35, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Thus, were's the consensus? Someone who at some point favour transition to multi-party systems? If you look at Berisha's credentiaöls, his own style of governing was hardly democratic, to say the least. --Soman 10:15, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter whether his rule was democratic. I am not here to defend Berisha's pyramid schemes and demagogy. I am acknolwedging that he was an important anti-Communist leader in Albania who was a cause of the system's collapse and replacement by a democratic system. —Seselwa 18:51, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

So what about Erich Honnecker? Activist against the Nazi regime, but in concentration camp for his struggle. --Soman 19:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

The DDR was not democratic in any traditional sense of the word. I don't know why you've brought him up. —Seselwa 20:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The point is that the actual governance of several of the ones categorized as "democracy activists" have not been democratic, even though they might have led pro-democracy struggles or campaigns at some point. The category ought to be deleted. --Soman 20:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

List of Argentines

I realize that Domingo Sarmiento was both a writer and a political figure, but do we really have to list him twice? -- Jmabel | Talk 00:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I didn't check to see if he was already on the list. No, he doesn't need to be listed twice. —Seselwa 19:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

National office?

I might be the fact that English is not my mothertongue that confuse me. How do you define 'national office'? Is that only restricted to head of government or head of state, or would it include other ministers in national governments? --Soman 19:14, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

National office generally includes presidents and prime ministers, as well as leaders of non-sovereign entities like Paul Vergès of Réunion. Ministers also hold national office, but are (as far as I know) always appointed and not directly or indirectly elected (the exception being if they have to be approved by parliament, which is generally a formality in a parliamentary system of government). —Seselwa 19:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

LPMCOTW

Hi,

have a look at Wikipedia:Leftist Parties and Movements Collaboration of the Week. --Soman 20:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Minneapolis meetup

Hello Sesel. I'm contacting you since you are listed at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Minnesota. I'm going to be at a conference in Minneapolis and am planning a Wikipedia meetup for October 8. If you are near Minneapolis at that time, please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Minneapolis. Angela. 20:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

LPMCOTW

You showed support for Leftist Parties and Movements Colloboration of the Week. This week Socialist Party USA was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help…

Filiberto Ojeda Ríos

Hey, just a heads up: I removed Filiberto Ojeda Ríos from the Assasinations list based on his own talk page Talk:Filiberto Ojeda Ríos. Maybe start a discussion there to get a consensus on this, to change the perception of the event to make it a definite inclusionor exlusion? Daemon8666 21:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

User:Jakes18 on List of terrorist organisations

He's back at removing the Operation Rescue item on a political agenda. I've reported him 3RR, but the admins there seem slow to get around to blocking him. Of course, even when they do, that will be short term. Would you mind keeping an eye on that also? Thanks much.

Btw. I love your Tariq Ali quote on your user page. I've always liked Ali's writing, though I must confess I let my NLR subscription lapse a couple years back. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 05:54, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm merely removing a blatant point-of-view. There is no evidence suggesting that OR itself could be classified as a terrorist organization, unless you consider non-violent clinic blockades and protests "terrorism" (I'm sure some at the very far end of left field could).

Wikipedia is not an outlet to express one's political convictions. There are much better places to do this. --Jakes18 19:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Sesel

Read my lips you are nothing but a whore for the far left!