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SpaceLeninist/SpaceSandwich edit
Hi! Are you affiliated in any way with the user SpaceSandwich (formerly known, I believe, as SpaceLeninist)? — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 13:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Did you read the colored notice at the top of my Talk page? Please answer questions where they were asked (i.e. here). I'm moving your reply here to keep everything in one place.
- You replied on my Talk page:
- I am not affiliated with spacesandwich
- I don't know they. I simply put that edit there again because I thought it was interesting and relevant to Einstein's politics. I initially thought someone had removed it without consulting the rest of the editors, but after looking at the page's history I can see that he put this claim many times and many other editors removed it. Seekallknowledge (talk) 13:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'm wondering how you knew about a weeks-old edit if you hadn't looked at the page history before. It seems like an odd coincidence... If you want to discuss it, I've created a new section in Talk:Albert Einstein. Thanks. — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 14:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
My response edit
I did look at the history page before, but I only saw his last attempts to put the text on the article, that were then removed by Volunteer Marek. After scrooling down, i saw he had tried it weeks earlier and another user, My very best wishes, removed it. Then I realized it wasn't just a sole editor against him.
On the claim that the sources cannot be trusted: if one is to search this passage on google books, you will find a lot of books citing it. Including, "Einstein on Politics: His Private Thoughts and Public Stands on Nationalism...", written by the historian David E. Rowe: https://books.google.com.br/books?id=_X1dAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA413&dq=Einstein+on+Politics:+His+Private+Thoughts+Lenin&hl=pt-BR&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjC5_G49PLrAhX7KrkGHfGwAJcQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=Einstein%20on%20Politics%3A%20His%20Private%20Thoughts%20Lenin&f=false
It is clear Einstein really did say this. If you have any other historian claiming Einstein never said this and that David E. Rowe was wrong, then discuss it on the talk page. Seekallknowledge (talk) 14:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Bubba's response edit
- It is clear—at least from one part of this one source—that Einstein wrote those words in "a short prefatory note" for a book, just as it's equally clear you didn't include his entire quote, which carries a very different tone.
- A few pages earlier, in the very same book, we see an introductory text Einstein was asked to write for another volume, which contains these quotes:
"... don't imagine that those around you are different and better than those who conduct a regime of terror in Russia. Shudder to view this tragedy of human history where one murders out of fear that one will be murdered."
"All serious men owe a debt of gratitude to the editor of these documents. He will help to reverse this dreadful fate. After the publication of these documents, the rulers of Russia will have to change their methods"
"They will lose all sympathy if they cannot show ... that they do not rely on bloody terror to lend support to their political ideals."
- He wrote this in 1925, and yes, he was talking about the Bolsheviks. I don't have access to the entire text yet, but as soon as my copy arrives, this article will get properly sourced quotes about Einstein's written words about Lenin.
- Regardless, there is no way we can be certain what Einstein actually "thought" about him; all we can see are the words he wrote, and the text needs to be changed to reflect that, too. It is not good for the encyclopedia when editors cherry-pick quotes to justify a statement that doesn't hold up when his archived works, in total, are examined. — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 04:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
On Einstein's views edit
I included the entire quote that was in that page of the book. I didn't know there was more to that, because Rowe did not include it there. Feel free to add the rest of the quote to the page.
"... don't imagine that those around you are different and better than those who conduct a regime of terror in Russia. Shudder to view this tragedy of human history where one murders out of fear that one will be murdered."
"All serious men owe a debt of gratitude to the editor of these documents. He will help to reverse this dreadful fate. After the publication of these documents, the rulers of Russia will have to change their methods"
"They will lose all sympathy if they cannot show ... that they do not rely on bloody terror to lend support to their political ideals."
So, in 1925, Einstein was against the bolsheviks. That information is important, you can add it to the page too. But his quote in 1929 makes it clear that he changed his position and was much more favourable, even though he still disagreed with their methods.
> Einstein wrote those words in "a short prefatory note" for a book
Why is this relevant? Seekallknowledge (talk) 04:57, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Comprehensive Agreement on Investment edit
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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Comprehensive Agreement on Investment for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.
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South China Morning Post edit
Hello friend. I saw your edit summary about "some people say South China Morning Post is a propaganda outlet". Just wanted to let you know that Wikipedia considers it a reliable source, per WP:SCMP. And also, it is a Newspaper of record. So really it is an excellent source. Anyway, just FYI. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:07, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Seekallknowledge (talk) 02:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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