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Hey, you asked about a map that you wanted on a Wikipedia article, do you still want to discuss that? It's been a few weeks, so I thought I'd reach out. Bill Williams 19:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, did you miss the notes I wrote to you on Dec. 17? I was waiting to hear back from you. Sectionworker (talk) 22:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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Duluth Rose Garden

I didn't want to just delete the picture of a rose, but it really doesn't show much of Duluth.

Please have a look at some of these, and if you think one of them might be a good replacement, let me know.

• [1]
• [2]
• [3]
• [4]
• [5]

Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your quick post! I don't like the rose either and agree with you. The trouble is, many years have gone by with nothing at Commons and yet I've always yearned for something...anything! So, I added it when I found it at Commons. Any photo of your choice would be great from the ones you have posted (I like #2). I've never had any success when I tried to move photos to our WP depository. I'd also like to get one of the Nordic ship, (available on Flicker...or some where...it's been quite some time since I looked...) that I have been unable to add to our article. (Later...) I have searched and found a Leif Erickson ship on Flicker [6]

Sectionworker (talk) 19:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I added this one. It shows the lovely fountain and the flowers. Let me know if there are others you'd like. Feel free to swap it out. I'd add the postcard, but I can't find the publication date, and it needs to have been published prior to 1928 to be completely free of copyright. I'll look for some copyright-free ones. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Duluth, Minnesota, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, isn't it so much fun to be treated like a clueless newbie? Although presumably with a clueless newbie, editors would start with a level 1 warning, and not jump straight to the uw2 model. At least we maintained the important tradition of re-reverting while telling the other editor to stop edit warring.

The real reason I stopped by your page was to make sure you knew about Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Lack of coverage of 2022 United States infant formula shortage. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Waid, at least the above editor is a bona fide jerk. But his intentions are not like another bona fide that was a cheat as well. That story: At one time, after many years of my career here with many hours of good work to keep our information free of bad edits. There was a certain beetle causing the deaths of a tree species. This editor deleted any information that spoke of the dangers of chemical sprays and added stuff that was obviously right off the bottle of spray that he was supporting. Again and again I put notes on the talk page and not once did he respond. Then he left a note on my talk page saying that he sold the product and what was my interest? What he was getting at was what product was I selling. It just never occurred to him that we here at WP would be using our time without expecting any personal gain. Next he made about 10 edits again adding praise for his product and deleting a bunch of factual stuff as well. I was exasperated and used my "speedy delete" (I forget what it's called) for the first(or almost) time. Within minutes an admin gave me a two day block and took my speedy delete away. After many years it was the first mark on my name. I tried to get it changed and one admin did reduce the block to one day, if I remember things correctly. And, BTW that admin who blocked me went on to become an arbcom editor. One can judge him differently, but that he then ignored my explanation when I attempted to get the block lifted makes me see him as a real ass hole.

OK, I'm surprised no one has yet made the article. But then again, think what a small group of us actually do any work on pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding, ect.? I have no interest in working on it. But I am still trying to gather my thoughts on how to say that to work and nurse is next to impossible if you are poor, have other children to care for, and don't work at a place that supports mothers that are nursing. Always good to hear from you, Gandy Sectionworker (talk) 03:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

The attitude towards paid editing has changed over time, and I suspect that the same events would be received very differently now.

When researchers talk about gender gap problems in Wikipedia, first, they almost always mean exclusively in the English Wikipedia, which is neither the best nor the worst; and secondly, they almost always mean whether there are equal numbers of biographies for men and women (which there aren't, and for BLPs, I'm told that the gap is largely due to professional athletes). But the gender gap aspect that holds my attention is really the "parenting gap": we have tons of information that appeals to childless men, and less whose primary audience is parents. Infant clothing, for example, contains no pictures of clothing. Children's clothing has pictures of three (white) girls and no boys (plus a photo of baby clothes on coat hangers). Why? Nobody with time to edit + interest in the subject happens to have fixed up the article yet. Maybe I'll add some photos in those articles. We probably have tons. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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I returned some long-standing information that was deleted a few days ago from the Ely article. I see no reason to say that is a copy vio. Sectionworker (talk) 21:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, it looks like I've got to apologize for this one. I double-checked and you were merely restoring content, not copying it over from International Wolf Center. Must have misread the intervening diffs. I see that the content originally made it into the Ely article in 2013, well before your edits. I will amend my note in the Ely revision history to properly indicate when the content was copied over. Again, my apologies! /wiae /tlk 21:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I also think I got the diff wrong in my previous message; it should be this one. Evidently today is not my day. /wiae /tlk 22:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your good work here - probably mostly going unappreciated, I'd guess. Sectionworker (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

"information must not be used twice in the lead"

(re. heartbeat bill)

Actually, AFAIK, it's acceptable and even good practice for the intro paragraph of the lead to be a summary of the lead. At least when the lead is long enough to warrant it. So info actually can and sometimes should be presented twice. In this case, your remedy of merging a rather long and technical paragraph into the introduction is a bit overwhelming, IMO. I expect it might attract other editors to clean it up, which may take us back to where we started. — kwami (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. I will answer on the talk page ASAP. Sectionworker (talk) 04:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

AN/EW

I've mentioned you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring here. Don't worry, you only came up since I listed the whole history of the edit concerning the transgender sentence in the lead. You haven't broken any rules and I haven't asked for any warnings. I just had to include you along with everyone else. -- Colin°^Talk 09:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm effing done with that article. It's a total waste of my time. I don't think that any one of them is familiar with medical information. I just don't see how you can stand to go on with it. Best, Gandy. Sectionworker (talk) 13:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm tempted to unwatch the whole thing too. It has been protected for a week, so a break won't do any harm. I see the whole edit war thing has advertised "Culture warriors wanted to give their opinion" so I'm pessimistic really. It is such a political issue. What disappoints me is that despite the topic being under DS, several editors thought it was ok to edit war and join in the edit war, and at least at the moment, not one of them is being told off by any admins, never mind gaining an entry in their block logs. -- Colin°^Talk 16:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Btw, big thanks for all your efforts on that article. Both recently and over the years. It has had some significant improvements and inclusion of neglected aspects. I do hope that if things cool down, you might be happy to work in peace (or cooperative company). -- Colin°^Talk 16:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey. I just wanted to say, I agree with Colin. I think you've been doing an amazing job at that article despite the circumstances. If you want a partner to work with on that, or any other article, feel free to drop me a ping or message on my talk page :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to my page Sideswipe, it is good to hear from you. Colin, this is a time when we need Doc James to step in and do whatever the hell he wanted and get away with it a lot of the time. Those not in the profession think "he's a doctor so he must know what's right". But anyway, he was/is a good physician and a caring person who, like many physicians thinks he god, but in my experience is/was on the right side in most disputes. What is he up to these days, anyway? About this article, I will say that Waid did warn me to enter at my own peril and more than once I thought that I wanted to go to her page and ask her to slit my throat rather than die the death of a thousand cuts... Sandy said thanks but no thanks when invited to the discussion, I do remember that. How naive I was. Anyway, it is good to hear from you in these times of political upheaval. Sectionworker (talk) 22:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

It's definitely one of the hardest content areas to work in. I do wish admins would take a more active role in moderating the behavioural issues within it, but those that I know have tried have generally been scared off by accusations of being too involved.

I like Sandy. I first worked with her at the JK Rowling FAR, and it was definitely the most enjoyable part of that experience. She was great at keeping folks on track, and keeping the sniping to a minimum. And I'm sadly not surprised by WAID's warning, and Sandy's decline to help out, as it can be so draining. Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

"It's definitely one of the hardest content areas to work in". I haven't worked in it for a while. I used to find it reasonable and enjoyable. What has happened? I don't remember behavioural issues. Sectionworker (talk) 23:05, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Though I'm not sure of the full specifics, I think you could probably write a book on it. The lack of effective admin action seems to be a cause, and the...marginalisation/exclusion of editors like Sandy and yourself is not helping. The intersection of medicine and gender is particularly bad, as there is a culture war targeted at trans and non-binary people that is spilling over onto enwiki. I think there's probably a need for an ArbCom case to solve it, but that likely isn't going to happen until it gets worse sadly. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

We'll have to agree to disagree on Doc James, except for the "thinks he's god" bit. You can see from his user page that he's created his own wiki, a fork of Wikipedia that is invitation-only and has non-free content. The entire active community consists of Whispyhistory and Ozzie10aaaa. QuackGuru creating an enormous sandbox related to nicotine.

I don't think there are fundamental reasons why editing pregnancy should be a conflict topic, other than the trans issue. As Sideswipe9th says, there's an ongoing culture war against trans people, and it seems at the moment that admins are mostly turning a blind eye to editors bringing that to Wikipedia. While generally Wikipedia seems to be a liberal project, the conservatives have hunkered down in MOS. As long as that remains, Wikipedia will be in conflict with new editors over language choices.

Yes it can be fun to work with Sandy. They did good work with Graham, Clayoquot and others at menstrual cycle. That's a less challenging topic (in terms of sheer size) than pregnancy. -- Colin°^Talk 07:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Once again, so good to speak with you both. OK, I was being overly generous about Doc. He was very Trumpy-like in his absolute inability to see the point of view of anybody but his own, that is for sure. The reason that I forgave him for his sins was that he supported my editing at breastfeeding and childbirth that included new information that was coming out on new science that showed how important they were for both moms and kids. Over the years those have been my most important articles. ...And then there was the war over the videos where he locked horns with Clayoquot and for a change he didn't win that one. I remember where Slim got down on the mat with him snd eventually a whole crew of us...I don't even remember what it was all about anymore, was it the corporate problem with the video use? I do remember that I eventually thought that I could get through to him and posted an edit on his page. How foolish I was to think I had some sort of magic power that others did not. About Oz, I've known him since his first edit here and his history here and with doc... I will only say very interesting here in a public setting. Please give me a link to the new site.

About the political problems at the pregnancy article, who would have ever dreamed it could happen? Colin, you were talking about it but until I saw it for myself I couldn't quite believe it. All of a sudden so many people interested in pregnancy? One would expect it at abortion and I actually took part in the last big discussion there that went on for pages and pages over one or two words in the lead. That small change was about to not make the fetus a person at the moment that it attached in the womb. That way is was murder of a person. The wording was fixed and it has been stable since that time. (Doc James was very helpful in the abortion article as well.)

Oh well, we are by nature social creatures and it is so good to be among creatures of the pack after all this time (one year) of being alone. I thank you both for your friendship. Sectionworker (talk) 17:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Well Colin, so much for pregnancy experts that know what's best for the article but are willing to do no more than an ounce of work on it than to hit the delete button. One small bit of motion when it was realized what might happen if you sicced the students to the article, what with them being so accepting of the truth about sexuality and all, but it didn't last. Gawd, what a bunch of phonies those editors are. I have wanted more than once to write a real honest post but have learned over the years to hold off from doing that when it uses the eff word and such. Oh well, again grateful for you two for someone to talk to. Sectionworker (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

One thing I like to remember when dealing with editors who are coming across as unreasonable, is that consensus does not require unanimity. There seems to be three versions that could have consensus at the talk page, even though none would satisfy that one editor. Pick one and make it so. If they revert, then they're reverting against consensus ;) Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Birth plan

Hi Sectionworker,

I hope this finds you well. I started off birth plan and think you may be interested in it. I also wikilinked it from pregnancy, so anyone there can see it exists now, but I know you want to expand on this topic area more so I'm letting you know per WP:APPNOTE.

Take care, Crossroads ^-talk- 23:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm very grateful and am looking forward to working on it. It's a great addition to our pregnancy articles. I have not read it yet and will use the talk page if needed. Best, Gandydancer Sectionworker (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Well I read it and I can't see one thing to change or add. What a fine job you did! Sectionworker (talk) 17:29, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, glad you like it! Crossroads ^-talk- 00:33, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Crossroads,you may know, I'm getting a lot of flack re birth plans on Waid's page. How do you feel about including birth classes with birth plan at that article? For one thing, if we do that we can give a full "main page" note, but more than that I don't want the idea that women should be making a plan and flopping it down at the nursing station desk as Waid seems to be suggesting happens. Thoughts? Sectionworker (talk) 23:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello. I just made some changes to the Iron Range article to modernize it and make it similar to other state region articles like Western New York and South Florida. I worked hard on these edits and would appreciate your review as I am a less-experienced editor.

I am reaching out to you because you seem to have an interest in this part of Minnesota in addition to your experience.

Jthoffman (talk) 06:10, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for considering my thoughts. Would you mind if I'd change two of the photos in the lead? I don't find the Hibbing and Virginia photos very interesting or helpful to understand the area. I would like the Lake Superior photo as in the Duluth article. It shows an ocean-going vessel, a lighthouse, and tourists visiting the light house, which represents the importance of tourism to the area. Also, the North Shore Drive draws thousands just driving it or on skis, bikes or just hiking. Also, perhaps one possibility is a shot of sled dogs from the John Beargrease Sled Dog Marathon. Sectionworker (talk) 04:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you Buster. It is good to hear from you! I hope all is well with you and your family. What strange times we are living in. At least my family is all well and I am happy for that. Best, Gandy Sectionworker (talk) 19:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Sending my best wishes to you both, from the long lost Petra. if i may make a huge understatement, its good to know you are both doing well. petrarchan47คุก 03:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I miss you and I love you, dear friend. Hope all is well with you. Gandy Sectionworker (talk) 03:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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		The barnstar of modesty for your exemplary mea culpa at Talk:Death of Elijah McClain. Great work modeling what a constructive apology looks like for all of us who make a mistake now and then. Generalrelative (talk) 23:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I was being very careless. The other editor was very patient with me and deserves a compliment as well. Sectionworker (talk) 21:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

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Sources tips/tricks

Hi Sectionworker, I saw your note at Jimbo's talk page and did want to the let your know ProQuest, which is available through the WP:Wikipedia Library, does have current publications including NYT. Looking at your edit count, you do meet the criteria to join (account 6 months old and at least 500 edits) and I believe it is automatic, meaning you do not need to request access; just log in. For other paywalled sources, sometimes hitting the esc key quickly several times after you launch the site but before the popup can work. I have read others state sometimes using private window option in your browser may work for some or hitting ctrl+a (copy all), then pasting (ctrl+p) in a separate document (like Word or Notepad) will get you the content. Also, WP:Resource Exchange is fantastic. For current publications, someone can usually get it to you in a day. S0091 (talk) 18:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

This is all VERY helpful and I will try your suggestions. Thanks so much. Sectionworker (talk) 21:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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