Seabascol55

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Lifeline Program (October 3)

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! theonesean 13:24, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Lifeline Program (January 19)

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! APerson (talk!) 14:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Lifeline Program

Hi APerson,

Thank you so much for taking the time to review my submission. I would like a little more clarification about why you did not think my sources were reliable. For instance, Insurance Selling is a trade publication. I also used The NY Times and FOX Business News as sources as well. Can you help me understand why you sent me to the explanation of pseudo science? I'm new to this and still trying to figure things out. Thanks!

Seabascol55 (talk) 22:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC)Sebastian

The previous reviewer, Theonesean, had the same concern as I do. The specific Times and FOX sources you mention are, indeed, very reliable sources and I don't have any issue with them. It just seems to me like the article seems to be relying a lot on sources that, according to one "About" page, seem to be in the business of marketing medical advice that, according to the disclaimer, is "neither endors[ing] nor oppos[ing] any material" and "not meant to be a substitute for advice from medical professionals".

Anyway, taking a much closer look at the article, notability does not seem to be an issue. I would suggest getting a few more prominent, published sources, but otherwise the article is good. WP:RS is just an explanation of what sources Wikipedia should be based on. If you re-submit it, another reviewer or I will take a look at it and probably accept it. Thank you for your contributions! APerson (talk!) 21:38, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Couldn't have said it better myself. theonesean 21:27, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you APerson for your feedback! I was able to add sources from CNN, Yahoo Finance, and Reuters. I hope I have managed to cover all bases here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seabascol55 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 6 February 2014‎ (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Lifeline Program (February 9)

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~~ Sintaku ^Talk 17:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Clarification Needed

Hi Sintaku,

I appreciate the time you took to review my article. Can you please clarify why you felt this page reads like an advertisement? Two other editors felt that it met the requirements of notability, @Theonesean (pinging) and @APerson (pinging), but just needed more sources which I added. Among those sources are CNN, Yahoo Finance, the New York Times, Reuters, and Fox Business News, all of which are highly regarded news sources. Can you please be more specific so that I may make those changes?

Seabascol55 (talk) 16:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)Sebastian

I read it and it made is sound like an advert for the company.

Some things like the following are not needed:

• "A life settlement is the sale of an in-force life insurance policy to a third party for more than the surrender value, but less than the death benefit."
• The Business Model section

Regarding the sources.

• [1] - Company in same field, could be press release
• [2] - Press Release
• [3] - No mention of Lifeline
• [4] - Press Release
• [5] - Seems like an advertorial (may pass as a reliable source, doubt it)
• [6] - Press Release
• [7] - Possible paid article
• And more...

The only real independent reliable source would be:

• [8] - Doesn't mention much about Lifeline, more about the owner.

~~ Sintaku ^Talk 16:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I partially agree with your statement that some of the sources are unreliable. However, there is definitely more than one independent, reliable source. The NYT source is good, but so are the two Fox Business cites and the CBS one. The volume of press coverage that this company has gotten proves notability to me, as does the statement made in the article that the company was the "first licensed viatical company in Florida" (needs a citation though). It may read a little like an advertisement at times, but the core of notability and history is there. Articles almost certainly should be summaries of the coverage of the subject; in this respect, the article looks good to me. APerson (talk!) 17:29, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I understand both of your skepticism's about the Insurance Selling article, but I can assure you it is not an advertorial, as it would legally have to denote that. It is a national trade magazine for insurance agents. One that is respected to deliver industry news. The reason you saw a medical disclaimer is for one to acquire life insurance one's health/medical history is taken into account to determine premium payments.

It also seems you take issue with some of the other sources such as The Providence Journal, which was "first published in 1829 and the oldest continuously-published daily newspaper in the United States, was purchased in 1996 by the A.H. Belo Corporation. The newspaper has won four Pulitzer Prizes." Or the Sierra Star which is not an advertisement, but a news paper that is an "Adjudicated a newspaper of general circulation in accordance with the laws of California by Decree No. 11168 of the Superior County of the County of Madera dated December 19, 1958, and qualified for the publication of matters required by law to be published in a newspaper."

I can go source by source if need be.

Seabascol55 (talk) 14:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

@Seabascol55: Sintaku's concerns do not seem to me to be about the reputability of the newspapers; rather, they are about the possibility that the articles are press releases and/or that the newspapers were paid to write the articles. Based on the potentially promotional tone of some of the articles, this is probably a valid assertion. I would suggest checking WP:NEWSORG and making sure that as many of the sources as possible are unbiased.

Also, note that WP:BIASED says that "[w]hile a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context." APerson (talk!) 02:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

@APerson: I'm sorry but I don't think that argument is logical. If you look at the Providence's article, for example, you can see the the writer's email is listed, and the article itself is copy written. What's being suggested here is that any publication will feature/report on/print anything as truthful non-biased information without making it clear that is an advertisement, and does not reflect the views/opinion of the newspaper itself, if they are paid money to do so. So Sintaku is indeed questioning their journalistic integrity, specifically Donita Naylor's (the author). Why in the world would an advertisement be written- not by the company itself- but by the newspaper's "breaking news reporter"?

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APerson (talk!) 14:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Lifeline Program (June 27)

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