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Cheers, ChzzBot IV (talk) 12:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Your submission at Articles for creation

Marcotte, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 21:49, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Tula

You are welcome. The disambiguation guidelines are annoyingly obtuse these days, especially if you are new at doing these kind of tasks. Thanks for expanding that page though. While not all entries you added belonged there, you still found quite a few that did, and that's the important part :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 6, 2012; 15:53 (UTC)

Willeborg von Wertheim is a self redirect

Are you sure you wanted to link to this? -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 17:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

What I really wanted was to make the link to Willeborg von Wertheim in the article Gottfried von Hohenlohe into a red link as there is no Wikipedia article on Willeborg von Wertheim. As it was before it redirected to Wertheim and that is a disambiguation page. What I really wanted to do is get rid of the redirect at Willeborg von Wertheim. I thought what I tried might work. If you know how to get rid of a redirect or have another suggestion, I'd love to know. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

The redirect can be deleted or a stub article can be created. I do not know anything about the topic though. Redirecting the page to itself is just confusing to the reader though. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 12:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hey, you've really been shooting up the charts over at WP:DPL! I don't think I've seen you around before, so I wanted to welcome you to the project. I also saw your comments on your user page; if you have any questions, feel free to drop me a line.

By the way, in the spirit of providing feedback, I reviewed some of your edits. I did run into one problem; there appears to be another Indian actress named Meena who was active as early as 1972, so she must be different from Meena Durairaj, born in 1977. Marmaram, for instance, probably shouldn't link to Meena Durairaj, but instead to a redlink for this other Meena. Problem is, I can't find enough information about her to name the redlink properly! I want something like Meena (actress born 19XX); I'll look more into it. --JaGa^talk 17:57, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I don't know if I'll be able to maintain this pace, but I'm having fun.

I really appreciate you looking over my edits. I had worried that there might be two Meenas, but I guess I didn't use enough logic to see that one was producing movies before the other was born. I'm trying to be careful but I see that I need to be more careful. IMDb references quite a few Meenas. I'll look into that to see if I can make some sense of it. I'll also go back to the edits I made and revert any that go to the wrong one.

I'm copying this to your talk page. I don't know if that's considered good practice, but another Wikipedian had done that and it made sense to me. I don't want to sound like a lost puppy, but I'd appreciate it if I could ask questions to someone involved in the disambiguation project. Would it be OK if I asked you?

Thank you.SchreiberBike (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, an offer and an advice

Hi SchreiberBike,

thank you for pointing out the ambiguous link in the "Eugenio Elia Levi" entry: I've already disambiguated it, as you can check. Also, I saw on your user page that you seek help from more experienced editors: I do not know if I can be considered so, but I have some experience in citing sources, therefore if you need some help on this matter, contact me at my user page. At last, if you would like to know more about the standard structure of an article, maybe you'll be glad to have a look at the MOS:APPENDIX page. Daniele.tampieri (talk) 12:23, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Middle-earth/Pages

Please don't remove the link to Maia on the above page again. It's a deliberate link. GimliDotNet (talk) 21:56, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

If you look at rule 4 on the How to help, you're only suppose to fix links in article and template namespaces. Portal:Middle-earth/Pages is a help page for managing the project and there is no need to fix links on these pages GimliDotNet (talk) 22:02, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. When I did that twice I thought I must have made a mistake the first time. I didn't see your comment on the reversion. SchreiberBike (talk) 04:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar awarded!

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. You're doing an excellent job, keep it up. :) œ™ 09:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. It's great to get recognition.

Congratulations

On winning this month's contest! I was really surprised at your strong showing - it was over a year before I managed to win it myself. I don't think I've ever seen anyone develop so far so quickly. Cheers, --JaGa^talk 17:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. I'm having fun with National Geographic already. I focused on disambiguating this month in hopes of winning the contest. I plan to spread out a little this month. SchreiberBike (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Articulated

Hello, SchreiberBike;

You're welcome! I'm not sure an entire article could be written for the topic at this time, but it could probably be a section in Taphonomy or a related article. Something about the process of a skeleton falling apart, the environmental conditions that affect the skeleton, what comes apart first, and so on, perhaps. J. Spencer (talk) 23:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Congrats!

		The Cleanup Barnstar
		Awarded to SchreiberBike for his work on making links, and therefore articles in general, clearer. Your great work is appreciated! PhnomPencil talk contribs 03:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. It means a lot. SchreiberBike (talk) 14:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

In recognition of your hard work

	The Hard Worker's Barnstar
	A totally unambiguous barnstar for you, recognition of the mundane but highly-important disambiguation work that you are doing with great diligence, and for being the first person to help improve an article I created!. Well-restedTalk 04:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback and congratulations on your new article. SchreiberBike (talk) 04:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Help Survey

Hi there, my name's Peter Coombe and I'm a Wikimedia Community Fellow working on a project to improve Wikipedia's help system. At the moment I'm trying to learn more about how people use and find the current help pages. If you could help by filling out this brief survey about your experiences, I'd be very grateful. It should take less than 10 minutes, and your responses will not be tied to your username in any way.

Thank you for your time,
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A belated barnstar for you!

		The Super Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Super Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to the winners of the Disambiguation pages with links monthly challenge, who have gone above and beyond to remove ambiguous links. Your achievment will be recorded at the Hall of Fame. This award is presented to SchreiberBike, for successfully fixing 3677 links in the challenge of February, 2012. In addition, this award recognizes you for an almost-complete lack of complaining about its lateness. :) Nick Number (talk) 13:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. SchreiberBike (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Emptying categories

Re: this edit This is no the appropriate way to handle empty categories. You can use {{db-catempty}} or nominate them for deletion through WP:CFD, but please don't just remove their parent categories and leave the empty one sitting there. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not real familiar with categories and I was trying to take the easiest route. I see that you had originally created the category. Is there a reason for it being there? If not, I'll go to WP:CFD to take care of it. Thanks, SchreiberBike (talk) 17:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Disambig removal on Unitarian Universalism

Hi - I wanted to mention this to you personally rather than having you find it later and be like "What the hell?!?" I noticed that this edit of yours removed entirely a wikilink that gave its sentence greater context, but rightly got rid of a link to a disambiguation page (Divine Intervention). I regret the edit summary that I used when applying the actual disambiguated link to Miracle (which I only found because, as I later discovered, you yourself had entered it on that same disambig page afterwards). I apologize for the cavalier attitude I took toward the actual work you'd done; I made the edit before looking at the disambig page history and realizing that there hadn't been any better page listed there to focus the existing link to. So, I'm sorry. I hope your other edits are better received. ☯.ZenSwashbuckler.☠ 13:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note above. The edit summary did surprise me but I appreciate your comments and the followup edit summary. No question, you've got class. SchreiberBike (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Wikipedia pages

Dear Author/SchreiberBike

My name is Nuša Farič and I am a Health Psychology MSc student at the University College London (UCL). I am currently running a quantitative study entitled Who edits health-related Wikipedia pages and why? I am interested in the editorial experience of people who edit health-related Wikipedia pages. I am interested to learn more about the authors of health-related pages on Wikipedia and what motivations they have for doing so. I am currently contacting the authors of randomly selected articles and I noticed that someone at this address edited an article on MASA syndrome. I would like to ask you a few questions about you and your experience of editing the above mentioned article and or other health-related articles. If you would like more information about the project, please visit my user page (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hydra_Rain) and if interested, please reply via my talk page or e-mail me on nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk. Also, others interested in the study may contact me! If I do not hear back from you I will not contact this account again. Thank you very much in advance.Hydra Rain (talk) 16:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello SchreiberBike, can you please e-mail me on nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk and I will send you more info and instructions. Thank you for you interest! Nuša Hydra Rain (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your work in disambiguation. Your pair of eyes are priceless to this project's clarity and usefulness. Jplvnv (talk) 10:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. It feels great to get feedback. SchreiberBike (talk) 14:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:CENTURY

I have reverted this edit. WP:CENTURY does not extend to changing the titles of sources cited. These are like quotes. Savidan 04:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Generally I agree about titles of sources, but in this case I followed the link and found that there it said "15th Century (1394-1503)", so I changed it. Do you disagree? SchreiberBike (talk) 04:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

My mistake. I assumed from your edit summary that you based your edit on the policy instead of the source. I have reverted myself. Apologies. Savidan 04:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Beg khan

thank you for help.. 12:11, 31 Aug 2012 (BeyPeople) (talk)

Thanks for the feedback and congratulations on your new article. It is coming along nicely. SchreiberBike (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Centuries

Which part of WP:CENTURY do you think justifies changing XII to 12th? I can't see anything relevant. Styles should be consistent within an article, although it doesn't even say that, but no one style is mandated or favoured. Johnbod (talk) 13:07, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Johnbod, Here's my thinking -

• In the Wikipedia MOS, all the examples use Arabic numerals none use Roman numerals.
• WP:ORDINAL says "Centuries are given in figures or words . . ."
• The Wikipedia article Century uses Arabic numerals and no mention is made of Roman numerals.
• The century articles, like 12th century use Arabic numerals. Though they do have redirects from XIIth century.
• The use of Roman numerals for centuries is very rare in Wikipedia. For example, "XIIth" century is used only about 11 times (not in titles and quotes), out of the 4,000,000 plus articles.
• In Wikipedia talk pages about the style for centuries, there is extensive discussion of the use of Arabic numerals or spelled out numbers, but I found no one advocating Roman numerals.
• Chicago Manual of Style specifies spelled out numbers for centuries.
• AP Stylebook specifies spelled out numbers for centuries less than the 10th and Arabic numerals for centuries over 10. It also specifies not to use Roman numerals except in names and titles.
• Yahoo Style Guide specifies Arabic numerals for all centuries.

The MOS at WP:CENTURY is not as clear as it could be. You've inspired me to start a discussion there about making it more clear. Do you see some advantage to using Roman numerals? Thanks, SchreiberBike (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Superscripts and subscripts says "Centuries and millennia are written using ordinal numbers, without superscripts and without Roman numerals: the second millennium, the 19th century, a 19th-century book". Also WP:CENTURY now says "Centuries not in quotes or titles should be either spelled out (eighth century) or in Arabic numeral(s) (8th century). The same style should be used throughout any article." SchreiberBike (talk) 05:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit on "Bach no Senritsu o Yoru ni Kiita Sei Desu." !

I very much appreciate your fixing of the misleading link in the article Bach no Senritsu o Yoru ni Kiita Sei Desu. and plus the optimized edit. Thank you! :) --Worst regards, Greek Fellows". Visit ma talk page and ma contributions. 02:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the appreciation. It means a lot to me. Happy editing. SchreiberBike (talk) 03:14, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:MMA

Thanks for helping to make MMA articles on wikipedia better! In September 168 people made a total of 956 edits to MMA articles. I noticed you haven't listed yourself on the WikiProject Mixed martial arts Participants page. Take a look, sign up, and don't forget to say hi on the talk page. Kevlar (talk) 05:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, SchreiberBike. You have new messages at SarahStierch's talk page.
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Contribution.

Hey, SchreiberBike. Please help contribute to my WikiProject. This WikiProject is about different cultures. If you can take some time and help contribute to it, that would be very nice of you. I am starting this project this week and would like to finish by next week. Please help me with this project. Thank you very much. Please answer on my talk page because I might not be able to keep track of who is contributing and who is not. I would like you to also share your culture. If you can give me a little summary about your culture such as, foods, lifestlye, holidays, traditions, e.t.c, that would be extremely helpful. Thank you. So if you would wish to contribute, please reply on MY talk page. Happy edits! Have a great day! DEIDRA C. (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Hassan (surname)

Hi, I noticed that you are adding to the section people with the surname Hassan or variants and you are doing a pretty good job. I also noticed that for example, surname "Haas" is only added within this article if the bearer of this surname is Jewish (because if he/she is not Jewish then the surname Haas can be of German or Dutch descent). I think this article is only about the Arabic (Muslim), Irish or Hebrew (Jewish) surname and it has to follow this way.

Liupstouch (talk) 01:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. I normally work on the disambiguation project and often work on name disambiguation pages. In this case I was thinking more in terms of disambiguation than of the potential ethnic connections to the name. As I was adding names though, I did notice an anomalous cluster of a northern European people using the name "Haas." It didn't occur to me to exclude people based on where they lived or how their ethnicity might be identified in the article.

I'm still not clear on what the best approach might be. If we were to exclude articles from the list based on the heritage of the article's subject, there would often be cases where we couldn't tell from the article where the name originated. I'm sure it is rare, but their certainly could be people with Arab, Irish or Hebrew ancestry living in Germany using the name Haas as a variation on Hassan. It would be even harder to guess about the ancestry of the many people named Haas living in the U.S. I tend to prefer casting the net too widely rather than too narrowly. What do you think the best approach would be? SchreiberBike (talk) 03:34, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

It is really a difficult issue when dealing with a surname like Hassan used within 3 ethnic groups and even more interesting within 3 different religions. (at least the Semitic connection can be understood).

That is why I think we have to include people with the surnames Hass, Haas and Hess only if there is information that they are Arab (Muslim), Irish or Hebrew (Jewish).

The reason only for the surnames Hass, Haas and Hess is that they are ambiguous. For example, Ernst Haas (Haas was forced out as a result of his Jewish ancestry), Ernst B. Haas (born in Frankfurt, Germany, in 1924 to a Jewish secular family) both Jewish and most likely Ashkenazim and their ancestors made their surnames to sound German but at the same time to keep the Hebrew root. But on the other hand, we have people who most likely have nothing to do with Hebrew or Jews like Eduard Haas or Bernt Haas (no Jewish connections mentioned in their articles).

That is why I think we have to include people with the surnames Hass, Haas and Hess only if there is information that they are Arab (Muslim), Irish or Hebrew (Jewish).

Liupstouch (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I understand that this is supposed to be a page about the name Hassan, which has Arabic, Hebrew and Irish origins, and names which are variations on that name with those origins. That would exclude people who's name is based on "haas," the Dutch and German word for "hare." I'm uncomfortable excluding people from the list just because the article about them does not give us information on the origin of their name. (Your point about the German Jews changing their name is interesting and if you can source it, should be in the encyclopedia.)

I've got another idea that also deals with the fact that the Hassan (surname) article is over long. Instead of listing every person in Wikipedia with a related name on the page, we could create pages based on the "List of people with the surname..." pattern. I could create a set of such pages for each variation on Hassan and we could link to them with comments as in the form below:

• List of people with the surname Hassan
• List of people with the surname Haas (which is also a surname of German and Dutch origin)

That way we aren't excluding people whose name may in fact be based on Hassan, but we are making it clear that their name may not be based on it. Do you think that has potential? Thanks, SchreiberBike (talk) 02:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I think that there is no need for new article to list all the people with surname Hassan or Haas. It will be better to keep them in the relevant article in order to be easier for someone who is searching not only the surname but also the relevant people with that surname. The best way is to remove all the people with surname Haas since it is difficult to specify whose surname comes from the Hebrew root HSN or from the German/Dutch word "hare" or any derivation from Irish/Arabic. I will do that. Also, I will add link to the Hassan (surname) article under Haas see also.

Liupstouch (talk) 15:22, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like you've come up with a good solution. Do you also want to remove Haas from the "also spelled" list in Hassan (surname)? SchreiberBike (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me. I wanted to remove it but forgot to do it, now I made the change. Liupstouch (talk) 23:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Real Life Barnstar

thank for you the addition about the feast test. it is so beneficial for us but i have some questions about feast test because i wonder something that is not placed in your article. if your reply this message, you will be sure, i'm going to modify the article. firstly, is the divided attention test played with mouse ?? because some applicannts says that. in appyling rules test, about how many times for each question we will be have? "average a second" is too implict. in cube folding test, will the arrow mark seen on the sides at next levels? Tigris tiara (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar - my contributions to FEAST test were just small disambiguations, but even small edits make articles better. SchreiberBike (talk) 22:23, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		Fantastic eyes at Curtis Memorial Library (Brunswick, Maine). Excellent disambiguation! Foggynotion (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar. Feedback means a lot. I just hopped over to your user page and saw that you are working on articles about libraries. I'm a library lover myself. There should be more articles about libraries. Thanks again, SchreiberBike (talk) 19:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Super Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Super Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to the winners of the Disambiguation pages with links monthly challenge, who have gone above and beyond to remove ambiguous links. Your achievment will be recorded at the Hall of Fame. This award is presented to SchreiberBike, for successfully fixing 4331 links in the challenge of November 2012. Rcsprinter (gossip) @ 23:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Rcsprinter. In November, I tried to win, and I did. On to other Wikithings this month. SchreiberBike (talk) 01:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Same with me, but without the winning. :) Rcsprinter (whisper) @ 17:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Sociopathy namespace

Hello, I am interested to build consensus for what should happen at the Sociopathy namespace. I noticed your participation in a recent discussion on the topic, so please feel free to visit Talk:Sociopathy if you are interested in further discussion. Thank you. C-PTSD (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I have responded to your comment at Talk:Sociopathy#Building_consensus:_maintain_as_a_disambiguation_page.3F and would be interested to hear any ideas in response. Thanks! C-PTSD (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Eisenbud–Levine–Khimshiashvili signature formula

I have removed the "disambiguation needed" tag from this article for a second time. As I stated in the edit summary the first time: there is no article on index, so it is not possible to supply a link. What we do have is an article with several different definitions of index. The current link directs to the correct section of that article. The reader is left with two candidates: the index of a curve or the index of a vector field. Since the signature formula is all about vector fields there is no ambiguity. — Fly by Night (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I just changed the link to Index (disambiguation)#Analysis since it's a deliberate link to the disambiguation page. It still goes right to the Analysis section, but that format will keep it from coming up on lists of problem pages. SchreiberBike (talk) 21:38, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Hand fan

Thank you for your edit to Hand fan.[1] It is not the original book's error but my copy error. The original text[2] is correct. So I will remove your comment there. Cheers. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you have access to the original text. I tried to look it up in Google Books, but my search terms wouldn't come up with the right sentence. Thanks, SchreiberBike (talk) 23:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

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