User talk:SatyrTN/WPfD

WOW!

You've already got this put together! Did you just do this or having you been holding your cards close?

No, I just copied WP:MFD and went through it to make it specific.

It looks great!

A couple of thoughts come to me right away:

• Items sent here are usually discussed for five days; then are either userfied, merged into an existing WikiProject, renamed as a task force of an existing WikiProject, deleted by an administrator, using community consensus as a guideline, or kept. Also what do you think of possibly listing in order of severity e.g. "kept, merged, tasked, userfied, deleted" or something along those lines - just a thought though.

Good point. I'll move that in. Actually, I thought it was in order of severity, until you pointed it out :) I'll make that change, too.

• Only WikiProjects will be considered using this process. Sub-pages of WikiProjects (where the project itself is not under consideration) should be discussed at Miscellany for deletion. So to delete a Task Force would require MfD? Or was this only intended to cover normal sub-pages?

I think task forces are the "property" of the WikiProject. I have no idea how a WP deletes one of their pages. But I don't think a random editor (not part of the project) should be able to nominate a task force for deletion. And really, if a WP is active, deleting should be a last resort, since the historical value is high.

Maybe that should be incorporated into a guideline - though I do think that the way Wikipedia works, everyone would have a right to participate in the discussion and I think you'd still have to have an administrator determine that the consensus was for deletion, but you're right, it is an odd case. Sort of half way between an article and user space.

I also note that my signature (which was below) has lost its meaning. Since this is your user space, I'm going to delete it subject to your objection - if anyone else is interested they can look at the history.

What's next?

Bring this up for discussion at our centralized place? Perhaps Jc37 or John Carter have some input? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, bring it up on the centralized discussion. We need more input before you spend more time on it.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 18:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Or bring it up to Jc37 directly, not many comments of late from that user on the centralized discussion, but plenty of activity on MfD. --Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 20:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

• Looks like discussion continues at the centralized discussion - even with respect to details of this page. Have you thought about a policy/guideline to match up to this? There will at least need to be something at WP:DELPRO and the discussion should be brought up Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy. There's a {{cent}} tag at the latter, but this would be a significant change.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 00:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

• And if it gets to the point that we're sure we want to "go hot", we'll need to post at WP:VPP. Still we'll want to run them all into the {{cent}} whether that stays where it is or changes, and at that point we should change the listing on {{cent}}.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 00:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I think after Inactive Projects we should go with Deletion Policy next, since they may have some input. Then probably DELPRO, though by that point I hope most everything is ironed out. I haven't thought of a guideline to go with this - wouldn't it fit under the general Deletion Policy? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Policy is good for discussion, but there is little if any information on the main page about Miscellany, let alone Projects, it's really geared toward articles. Same with WP:GD. WP:DELPRO is the guideline to HOW to delete, WP:DGFA also is relevant to HOW. I've started drafting a new section for WP:DELPRO at User:Doug/WP:DELPRO#WikiProjects_for_Discusson_page based on the DELPRO MfD section. As far as I can tell there isn't really any policy or guideline on WHY to delete anything other than articles, beyond the procedures at the beginning of the nomination pages.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 04:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

At the same time, much of this seems to be summarized on the Process section of this page.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 04:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Need

I dunno. The problem with making it its own deletion discussion is that there is the possibility of few participants in the discussion. How has MfD been failing us? - jc37 04:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)