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Barons and ballboys!

King Puck - another photo that took my fancy

Just wading through some of the unrated articles and noticed that all the "Charles" are obscure Barons of some sort and all the "Cathals" are equally obscure GAA club players! Sarah777 (talk) 21:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Nice one there yesterday, you sailed down past the 5k mark towards the glorious horizon of 0 "to assess"! But yes, one reason I got stalled getting down from 5.3k was that much of the rump seems to consist of (no doubt worthy) obscure sportspeople, politicians and aristos, and it's sometimes just not that motivating. Where are all the scientists, musicians and other artists, and business people... Anyway, maybe there's still a chance to clear this by end 2021, <15 years after the Big Push began in '07 :-) Good to see you active, and the Years (and I guess perhaps some Roads) coming too. SeoR (talk) 07:59, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

An ocean of sailing to be done. Was the tally at one stage down to about 2k or something...maybe less? BHG and her bots seem to be endlessly finding new ones! Sarah777 (talk) 11:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, it seem like a never ending task, like the glass of beer whose level never gets any lower. Good luck and thanks. We can but do our best though I am not doing very many these days. I generally just look out for the latest unaccessed ones. ww2censor (talk) 13:31, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Dunno if you ever watched "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" - but someone has to do the Charlie work! Sarah777 (talk) 22:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

True. Happy to report W to Z now cleared out, movin' on up... SeoR (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Just finished off the Denis's and Denise's - sometime on a day in the distant future we'll meet in the middle! Sarah777 (talk) 22:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Today's crop of D-series articles rated must be the most consistently terrible yet - and the bar is very low. Sarah777 (talk) 21:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

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Most of the others I created are now greatly expanded. Will this happen in "draftspace"? Sarah777 (talk) 17:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Fifteen Years

Just passed that Wiki-landmark! It seems so long ago... Sarah777 (talk) 20:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Stubs and Lists

This "Years in Ireland" series is raising a tagging issue; the "years" are generally agreed to be and are tagged "list" in the Talk Page. But they keep getting tagged "stub" on the article page - I've come across a few where I've removed the tag several times over the years. This isn't a huge issue (!) but is there some template for "This is a List"? Sarah777 (talk) 19:55, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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To all, and especially sundry! Sarah777 (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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Archæologia Britannica

Thanks for rating my article. Happy new year to you. Tewdar (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. Great article - it could well be a B but that's above my rating grade! Sarah777 (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Whatever... Sarah777 (talk) 20:52, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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May Day Upcoming

All my old acquaintances seem to have disappeared in - a mere 15 years! Anyhoo, I wish all my fallen comrades a Happy May Day Sarah777 (talk) 18:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Any Mods here?!

User 93.107.216.224 is vandalising a series of County Waterford (Portlaw, Kilmeaden and Ballyduff, County Waterford) articles and he won't stop. I've probably breached 3rr already. Help! Sarah777 (talk) 00:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Irl Proj

I think I've done roughly one hundred ratings in the past few days. Any issues? Sarah777 (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

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It was the year Christ Church, Dublin was founded. That is referenced in the linked article. Sarah777 (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Today is my (Wiki) Birthday!

Sweet 16!

Sadly in RL, I'm heading for the age when life begins - or so the optimists have it ;)

Kilgobbin Cross

My first ever photo on Wiki with a circa 2004 digital camera and not a lot of pixels. Recently replaced in the article Stepaside by something with resolution! Goodbye old friend.....Sarah777 (talk) 17:44, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Congrats. You should be listed by the birthday committee here Wikipedia:Birthday Committee/Calendar/July/15. You can be listed for both your real birthday and wikibirthday when you will get a talk page greeting. ww2censor (talk) 10:24, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Not mad about celebrating the real ones anymore! Sarah777 (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

There is no obligation for either. ww2censor (talk) 21:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I get that! Sarah777 (talk) 22:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

HAPPY (July 15) Wiki BIRTHDAY, Sarah777 :) GoodDay (talk) 22:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks G'Day! Sarah777 (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Time smites deletionists!

Hard to imagine this proposal was ever made: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Adamstown,_Dublin

Sarah777 (talk) 14:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

thump

Superb photo from 1865. I assume the two gents staring at the collage are posing! Spotted it on the Earlsfort Terrace article. Sarah777 (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

If you want to be a Five Star Wikipedian without doing the work - post this on your User Page: Sarah777 (talk) 17:18, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Baltimore

An interesting factoid popped up in the article about Drumlish. It explains the origin of the name Baltimore. It might make a DYK piece - but I've no idea how to submit it. Sarah777 (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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It's a list, not an article. Admittedly it lists only two things. And has no references. But that's the way I do it....I'm as bad as the GAA Sarah777 (talk) 17:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Rating articles

Came across this when I saw that Seo had, with assistance, corrected a railway-stop article I'd upgraded; Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. Seems one must be highly qualified to drive this gadget, but if it speeds up the rating backlog elimination process I'd like to try it. Calling Seo! Sarah777 (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

The L's are done. That was a bit of a slog. Sarah777 (talk) 17:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

"[year] in Ireland" creations

Hi Sarah777. I noticed 1429 in Ireland in the New Page Patrol queue. I understand the desire to turn redlinks blue and fill in gaps in a series of lists, but I notice from this talk page that I'm not the only person to think that these creations are not appropriate in mainspace. Rather than creating new lists with no references and little content, why not work on improving existing pages? A page that mentions the incumbent monarch and a single obscure poet's ostensible year of death is not much use to readers. — Bilorv (talk) 18:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I like to plant seeds and watch them grow. Sometimes they grow very slowly. That's not a wikicrime, surely? Sarah777 (talk) 23:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Maurice FitzGerald, 14th Knight of Kerry

Dear Sarah. Thank you very much for the attention you paid to the article Maurice FitzGerald, 14th Knight of Kerry, especially for promoting it from Stub to Start and for removing the Stub tag. As well in general for all the work you did on Wikipedia and especially Irish subjects. I see you are an Master Editor III. My edit count is only in the early 8000s. However, with all respect due, something seems to go wrong with you adding spaces in the text (using some automaic correction device?) after semicolons and full stops. You added spaces after the semicolon of the HTML non-breaking space (&nbsp;) entity and between a full stop and the following citation. If you agree, please correct the page. With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 05:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for the feedback. I think I've discovered what the problem is; it's a grammar correction facility that likes to put a space after a full stop. I have probably done this dozens of times and was unaware of it. So thanks again. Sarah777 (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Conna

Another photo that takes my fancy..great work Lorna! Sarah777 (talk) 23:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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Very scary

To my astonishment (info resulting from my gargantuan watchlist) I see that User:Rich Farmbrough was blocked after 1.7 million edits! The Wiki memory hole obscures the exact details of how this came about - but it is reminiscent of Stalin's politburo in terms of fate of long-term friends and associates from the era of the USSR Founding Fathers. No wonder there is little hope for the mere Kulaks here ...Sarah777 (talk) 01:22, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm. He seems to have had nearly a hundred previous blocks. But where can I view his edit history? Sarah777 (talk) 01:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I was passing by after earlier and saw this - and yes, I was also a bit shocked and disappointed when it happened (early 2021, IIRC), as RichF was one of the top editors by edit count (there was a lot of bot editing in there and also a lot of article rescue / improvement, and they were very good in helping some smaller Wikis) ever, and much of their work was useful. Edit history can be reached at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions for anyone, but I think they did >1M edits by the late 00's, and passed 1.5 M by 2015. And they were definitely treated unfairly on some occasions, famously losing Admin status over a questionable case. However, the last case (partly visible on their Talk page archive, I think) was more complex than it looked, and a lot of the problems were around use of automation tools. I think there was an element of "once a black sheep..." about some people's assumptions and we should try very hard (harder than I've sometimes observed in the last few years) not to lose major contributors, but many editors were involved, some I know to be positive forces, so I'm afraid there may have been some stubbornness / failure to listen at work too. I was more stressed about Ireland's BHG's case, for example, but at least they were able to keep on editing. I do try not to watch too much WikiDrama, I have very limited spare time already, and I suspect it could eat the week easily, though I'm glad not to see many ArbCom cases, a good sign. SeoR (talk) 08:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I'd forgotten that Rich Farmborough was an Admin - I knew I remembered the name for some reason. Wasn't aware of the BHG issue - generally keep my own head down since the drama of my own peak period - but sometimes you gotta say what you gotta say! The "once a black sheep" is definitely a thing - I remember earlier unrelated sanctions being cited at my Arb Case as "supporting evidence". Maybe Jimmy and the Top Management cooled the situation of rampaging Admins when they started to turn on each other? Ironically Jimmy Wales send me a very nice automated flier by email saying that

"fewer than 2% of Wikipedia readers choose to support our work. You have been one of those rare donors"

and asking me to chuck a few more euros Wiki's way. I'll miss this place when I finally get decapitated - even though I only come and go these days! Sarah777 (talk) 19:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Sweet suffering Jesus Sarah777 (talk) 23:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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So sad, so sad, Sometimes she feels so sad... Sarah777 (talk) 05:17, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

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A blast from the past

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_August_8&oldid=prev&diff=230599150&diffmode=source

Not sure who you are but thanks for the thanks - Wiki Admins never did understand logical consistency! Sarah777 (talk) 01:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you very much Liz - very much appreciated. Sarah777 (talk) 19:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Liz, my appreciation of your work is beyond measure. Sarah777 (talk) 19:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Whatever about the "year" articles this Rockbrook proposal is complete and utter trolling. Not taking it seriously but maybe some Mod should have a critical look at whoever proposed the deletion of a populated place. Sarah777 (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

And well done Guliolopez and SeoR for a dramatic improvement in the article - I had completely forgotten about it! Sarah777 (talk) 19:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Ireland regional roads

Hi, since you seem to be the one of the primary editors for Ireland roads I thought I would ask here first. @Declangi: as the other editor I am aware of. I am concerned about the current state that many of the regional road articles are in - with the attitude on this site shifting to deletionism and proposals like [1] being viable, I am concerned that one mass AFD could take the whole collection out. Unfortunately WP:GEOROAD explicitly mentions Ireland regional roads as subject to WP:GNG - I know Ireland regional roads are more like tertiary national routes and that the premise given by GEOROAD is wrong, but I suspect that it would be too hard to get it changed now. I am also concerned that some of the roads that are ~1 km might be harder to find sources for. Do you think it would be possible to convert the less notable articles to a list like List of Saskatchewan municipal roads (600–699)? If so, the roads that are more notable could stay separate articles, but is there any way to tell (i.e. by number) which ones those are? Rschen7754 00:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Not sure, I'd have to look into it. But the Regional Roads in Ireland are next category after National Routes. Why is this a problem for Wiki after nearly 20 years? Sarah777 (talk) 23:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• shrug* I really wish I had an answer, but I don't. --Rschen7754 00:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Just dropping in (I notice Sarah is a principal contributor to Grafton Street, which is on the main page now, so cheers for your help there).

The principal issue is that regional roads were only classified in 1994, and I just don't think there's much to write about them directly. As for working out which are notable, I don't think there's any easy way of doing this. Off the top of my head, an obviously notable road is the R319 road (Ireland); it's a shame the article (at present) mentions nothing about it being part of the Atlantic Drive on Achill Island, which its principal claim to notability as a popular tourist route for drivers and bikers. And, similarly, it's a bit strange to see that Achill Island#Transport mentions rail, bus and taxi (the latter with a tag on it) but nothing on road, the principal current way of getting onto the island.

I think there's the same problem as British roads, a lot of important sources that can be used don't refer to the road by a classification number, but by some other name like the "x to y turnpike" and it requires a bit of knowledge to know what's what. So that might be "why it's a problem", I think it's principally because finding actual, encyclopaedic sources that pass WP:RS turns out to be quite difficult.

As a first pass, you could redirect anything not about 1500 characters of prose to a list article; if anyone objects to an individual article as having standalone notability, we can just revert that. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

How would that work? A single long article/list with all the R roads in it? Sarah777 (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Generally they are split up into lists of 100 or so. --Rschen7754 18:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Probably worth a try - certainly better than deleting everything! Would the photos (where they exist) and info boxes be preserved? Sarah777 (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Could you link an example? Sarah777 (talk) 18:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

List of Saskatchewan municipal roads (600–699) is probably a similar situation. --Rschen7754 18:41, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I think your best bet is to find a featured list and copy that. List of highways in Essex County, New York is one such list. As well as a list of classification, date introduced, length and important locations, it includes a lede and text that explains how the list is notable. The Rambling Man is my go-to guy for featured lists and might be able to advise further. As a much simpler alternative, you could simply boldly redirect to List of roads of County Mayo which requires no editing work; the details can be fleshed out later. PS: Template:Did you know nominations/R319 road (Ireland)  :-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

The Saskatchewan list looks good. Preserves all the info. While I was an early editor and creator of the R roads, most of the contributions for the past decade are by others. Maybe we should consult a list of editors? Sarah777 (talk) 22:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

"the R319 road in County Mayo had "more humps and hollows than a camel’s back""

Had to laugh at this! The same could be said of many of the R-roads. For a country that claims almost the highest GDP per capita on Earth we are apparently unable to build a modern road network below the National Primary level. Or housing. Or infrastructure of most sorts. Kinda like America without the military spending....Sarah777 (talk) 23:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

"Had to laugh at this!" Clearly EEng is a bad influence on my editing ;-) (it's on the main page today, btw) "Maybe we should consult a list of editors?" I think there's so little activity in this area that you're probably safe being bold and just doing the redirect. If I uncover enough sources to turn one of them back into a full article, I can do that as and when required. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I know how to combine the R roads into groups of 100! Maybe you could it from 1 to 100 so we see what it looks like? Sarah777 (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I created a mockup of the last 2 articles numerically, and added R942 (which does not have any article): User:Rschen7754/Ireland Rschen7754 06:02, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Much of the info seems to be in the infobox (!) - this mockup seems to lose most of it. Is there some way to preserve that? The 800 and 900 R series seems to be a special urban category , I've never edited one. Might get a better view of what the amalgamation would look like selecting a band between R1 and R799. Sarah777 (talk) 00:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I think the answer would be to move the info into the body of the article, which R941 seems to do a better job at than R940. Junction lists can be added for routes that have more junctions than just the start and the end. However, I get to something like R680 road (Ireland) and I hesitate a bit, though that seems to be an outlier.

If all the 800s and 900s are really short then the case could be made to go to a table instead for those. Rschen7754 02:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The R800s and R900s appear to be urban roads, often crossing each other. Ditto a section of the R680. Might be a case for looking at the possibility of urban v actually regional roads; the junction info is interesting in the case of the latter - it is often simply a bit "nerdish" in the case of the former. Sarah777 (talk) 15:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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Is this the way to Borrisokane?

Hi Sarah

I hope that you are keeping well.

I thought you might be amused that one of your wonderfully large set of road sign photos turned out to be perfect for illustrating a piece of technical documentation relating to TDs. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine...just don't have much Wikitime these days. Good to see my photo still of some use! Hope you are also keeping well. Sarah777 (talk) 13:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Irlproj Draft Articles

Anyone out there? It seems that "drafts" are now appearing in the project table. Is this legit? Sarah777 (talk) 12:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't see them in the table though they do show up in the quality log. Am I missing something in your comment? ww2censor (talk) 21:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi ww - if you click on the number (3 at time of writing) at the intersection of "stub" and "NA" on the table you should see some. Sarah777 (talk) 13:25, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Now that I have your attention (!) - I came across the this article rated B on the quality scale; Waleran de Wellesley.

Seriously? Sarah777 (talk) 13:34, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

And [2] look at this raft of drafts! Sarah777 (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

And this.....[3], an article appearing in the Project table that hasn't been tagged to IrlProj. What's going on? Sarah777 (talk) 19:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Small Cats, of all things

It appears that BHG and LL were banned in the following case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute

Included in this pompous mimicry of the ludicrous US Supreme Court, we have a repetition of a bizarre self-serving Wiki-myth that I, myself, exposed 15 years ago:

Consensus 5) Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision-making. In most cases, consensus is an implicit process, where undisputed edits—either in article or project space—are assumed to have consensus. In cases where consensus is unclear, extra care must be taken to avoid stirring up unnecessary conflict. From both a broad behavioral and content standpoint, there exist situations on Wikipedia where it is preferable to be cautious and seek consensus prior to an edit instead of editing boldly as is common in uncontroversial areas of the project. Passed 10 to 0 at 02:12, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Fact check: Wikipedia absolutely DOES NOT work on the basis of consensus! It manifestly works on the basis of majoritarianism. Sometimes that is a 10-0 vote by Admins, often not. Either way it is majoritarianism. Majority votes may well be the best way to decide anything; whether Brexit, US elections, the election of "Autocrats" or "strongmen" across the globe - but what it absolutely is not, is consensus. If the Arbs in Wiki had even a shred of honesty (or rationality?) they'd stop repeating that obvious gibberish. Sarah777 (talk) 23:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

So, this is where it ends

Two editors of of nearly two decades standing banned; BHG and LaurelLodge. Sarah777 (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind my sharing regret (I have your page since the end-run for the WikiProject last year) - I really wonder if there should not be more of a staged approach for major / active contributors, especially when one occasion is overshadowed by 20+ years and over a million edits, or even a solid 12+ years of article and category work. No one's perfect, and we do need to get on - but this is a sad moment (as was the previous occasion with BHG - and over Portals, of all things). If I'd known, I'd have been inclined to comment on the case / proposed resolution, too late now, but thanks for catching it. SeoR (talk) 09:01, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

SeoR: Indeed, I concur with you and sad to see good, long established contributors bite the dust though I did not know LaurelLodge, BHG was well known to me for several years and I worked with them on sa number of mainly Irish related issues. Sarah777 and I know each other for a long time too hence noticing your post. ww2censor (talk) 10:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

It's really sad to BHG go. Having seen what LL was actually banned for - well, yeah. Explains a few questionable edits I'd come across in the past. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Sad indeed re. BHG, and a great loss both editorially and technically - it is so lucky that recent script and classification work was done, but I hope some BHG bot magic survives to be taken under other wings. LL had very firm opinions on some matters, and was a more complex colleague, but we did not often cross paths, and on balance, they did grow the encyclopedia. I really wish ArbCom had gone for something else, like long but book-ended restrictions - too many losses, not enough strong new editors, and many of us, due to real life issues, can't do as much as we'd like already, so we stretch thinner... SeoR (talk) 13:38, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Bastun, my old foe, howya?! What did LL do? I only looked this up when BHG was banned. All I know is that LL was active back in the day when I was also fairly active. They seemed utterly uncontroversial back then. Sarah777 (talk) 20:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Basically, he continued making comments that were completely unacceptable to the community (and would be unacceptable in any community you'd want to be part of). You can find the diffs in the Smallcat evidence page. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Disappointing...Sarah777 (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

The Center Line: Fall 2023

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Wow! This project sounds promising. I assume Irish roads might also apply? Sarah777 (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. As noted, all of the roads articles on the English Wikipedia have been exported for future importation into the new wiki. At the moment, only the US and Canadian articles have been imported, but the others could be imported if there are editors interested in working on them. We haven't set up guidelines for that yet. Building a new wiki from scratch involves a lot of details, and it was enough for the moment to get 15K articles imported and working and a start on some policies and a style guide. Imzadi 1979 → 14:47, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Should something happen in the meantime, we do have backed up copies of Ireland. --Rschen7754 16:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - it sounds like a very necessary project given the wide scope that Mods and editors bent on trashing the site seem to have. Sarah777 (talk) 22:45, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I'd be for adding Ireland articles to AARW but I think we should focus on cleaning up the US and Canada articles that we imported already first. –Fredddie™ 16:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough Sarah777 (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I've started a page at [4] where interest can be expressed. --Rschen7754 01:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Irish roads are covered at https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php eg: https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=N25 Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - I'm familiar with that website. Sarah777 (talk) 23:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Just took a look the site again...excellent repository of Irish Regional road articles. Congrats to whoever is doing the work! Sarah777 (talk) 03:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Request to collaborate on Ireland-related topics

Dear Sarah777,

I hope that this message finds you well. I am AndrewPeterT, and I am a member of WikiProject Tropical cyclones (WPTC) and WikiProject Royalty and Nobility. I am writing to inquire about potential collaboration on Ireland-related topics.

I became aware of you and your areas of expertise through some discussions I have read around Wikipedia. In addition, I have noticed that your posts convey deep knowledge and respect for the topics at hand. Although others may disagree, I find this passion healthy for building an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. (Moreover, I feel that you are one of the few editors on this site that I can unapologetically say this to, as I have recently received a lot of surprising pushback on Wikipedia for what I believe are routine debates needed to nurture an encyclopedia.)

Returning back to the topic at hand, I have many personal interests that have motivated me to contribute to Wikipedia, including tropical cyclones and monarchies. Due to commitments outside of Wikipedia, I have not been able to edit much in these subject areas as I have hoped, aside from copyedits and minor disambiguation revisions. However, I would especially be interested in collaborating with you on the following topics pertinent to Ireland:

• When an Atlantic hurricane hits an “exotic” location (at least by my Wisconsin perspective), that has always piqued my curiosity. Ex-hurricanes that have hit the British Isles in particular fascinated me when I was younger. Wikipedia already has some great articles on notable “Irish hurricanes”, such as Debbie in 1961 and Ophelia in 2017. Moreover, depending on whether or not WPTC would object, I would love to create a list of all tropical cyclones that have affected Ireland and the rest of the British Isles in some way. Do you have any knowledge of sources that could help me create such a list (including anything from Met Éireann)?
• Although slightly more polemic, I have recently become interested in the changing dynamics between Ireland and The Crown. In particular, I am intrigued by how gradual and partisan the head of state question was for the island. With respect to potential fields of editing, I have also noticed that the Wikipedia articles on post-1707 British Isles monarchs (at least from Anne, Queen of Great Britain to George VI) have very little coverage on how their reigns affected Ireland. Do you have a knowledge of any local Irish sources or databases that could be consulted to rectify this lack of information?
• Finally, I have always wanted to learn about how William, Prince of Wales is perceived in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. I understand this topic may be too esoteric for a Wikipedia page. However, if a state visit his grandmother made to Ireland can get an entire article, I see no reason why these perceptions about William can not also receive some mention on Wikipedia if reliable sources discuss them comprehensively. On that note, do you know if any local Irish sources have published editorials or other content on William’s favorability around Ireland? I would happy to see any links because most major news media instead focus on what William’s itineraries are on his visits to Ireland.

Thank you for your consideration. Please feel free to respond if you have any questions or comments. I look forward to potentially working with you or at least receiving your insight.

P.S. At the expense of sounding slightly unencyclopedic, I am not sure if you are into Irish musicians. However, growing up, Niall Horan was my favorite member of One Direction. (Granted, this was because of reasons other than his nationality, but I thought I would acknowledge this because most of the British Isles singers I grew up with were from England.)

Sincerely,

Hurricane Andrew (444) 18:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Well - I never rated myself as knowing anything useful about hurricanes! But regarding the British/Ireland issue, I am indeed a fountain of both information and opinion. Sarah777 (talk) 02:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

As for One Direction and Niall...what can I say?! Sarah777 (talk) 02:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I will be sure to let you know if I would like more information on British-Irish relations when editing Wikipedia. Hurricane Andrew (444) 23:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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And many happy returns! Have a great one, and a a prosperous 2024! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)