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LHO lead

Please lend your thoughts at Talk:Lee Harvey Oswald#Lead (again). I hope consensus can be reached without any chalkboard erasers being thrown. EEng (talk) 15:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Joseph Graham Davis, Sr.

I have nominated Joseph Graham Davis, Sr., an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Graham Davis, Sr.. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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Police interrogation (of Lee Harvey Oswald)

Last night, SBHarris slipped in this rewording, "...Both the murder weapon and the pistol in Oswald's possession at arrest had earlier been shipped (at separate times) to Oswald's Dallas P.O. Box 2915, as ordered by "A. J. Hidell".[104]" Unfortunately, this edit was not vetted here, before he made it, and, it is not accurate. The revolver (no "pistol" was involved) was shipped to Railway Express in Dallas, not to Box 2915, and there were outstanding C.O.D. charges of $19.95 plus a service charge, due to be paid by the receiver. The problems with the accuracy of SBHarris's edit were not resolved...details are at this link, http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0193b.htm so why make such a dubious change to the article?
1.) Railway Express was the shipper, that shipper could not ship to a PO Box.
2.) No evidence has been found to indicate where, or even if, the revolver shipped to Hidell was ever picked up in Dallas.
3.) No evidence was produced to show that the revolver could have been picked up at the Dallas PO Box. Railway Express was prohibited by law from shipping to a PO Box, and money was still owed on the shipment.
4.) The link I provided only shows that there was testimony and paperwork indicating that the COD and service charges were paid. That WC document is for an order of a revolver that differs from the order form, in description and price.
5.) There is not enough proof that the Mannlicher Carcano rifle purported to have been recovered from the sixth floor of the TSBD was "the murder weapon", (or that it had even been fired on that day) to support the description the way it is worded in SBHarris's edit, and there is even less proof that the Mannlicher Carcano entered into evidence was the weapon the government claimed that Oswald had ordered. The order form in evidence describes a rifle with a different length barrel than the one claimed to have been recovered at the TSBD. Multiple witnesses claimed Oswald carried a package to the TSBD on the morning of November 22, that was not more than 27" in length, impossible if the "murder weapon" was any similar disassembled Mannlicher. Isn't it troubling that the government produced no witness who saw Oswald carrying a package of a realistic length to a rifle, on that key morning?

SBHArris needs to hold himself to the same standards of supporting citations required for edits, as he holds everyone else to. Unless there is proof that someone picked up the revolver at the Dallas Railway Express office, or at PO Box 2915, the edit should be reverted. If it was picked up at PO Box 2915, as the edit now says it was, the issues of how Railway Express could have shipped it there, and how the outstanding charges were paid to permit that to happen, and there is the nagging contradiction that such a shipment to a PO Box by that shipper was prohibited by law. Ruidoso (talk) 08:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't read the above until today. Oswald ordered the handgun ("pistol" CAN properly be used as the generic term for any handgun) from a PO address. Probably it was not delivered to the PO box, but COD card sent to there, and Oswald picked it up from the Railway Express Office 7 blocks away after paying the COD fee [1]. I'll change the text to reflect that both weapons were ordered to Oswald's PO address, but only one was actually shipped directly to the PO box. As though it makes any difference-- the gun that killed Tippet was physically found on Oswald at capture, and it is surely the gun that was ordered from Seaport Traders by somebody giving Oswald's PO address from a return. Oswald had the gun on him and used it to kill Tippet-- are you really suggesting that somebody ELSE ordered that gun from Oswald's mailbox?

It was a Carcano rifle, not a Mannlicher Carcano. "Multiple witnesses" means two people, Wesley Buell Frazier and his mother Mrs. Frazier. Neither was very sure of the dimensions of the long package, and it was Wesley Frazier, who drove Oswald to work, said he thought Oswald carried it from hand to armpit, but couldn't be sure. What are we arguing about? Oswald surely ordered the rifle to his PO box and he surely is holding in the backyard photos, which his wife said she took, and also confirmed that he owned a rifle. And he went back to the house his wife was staying at, on a Thursday night, very unusual (the only other time was for the birth of his daughter), and came back with an usual long package on Friday, which he told one person was curtain rods and other was lunch! What, a sandwich of LOOONG French bread, you think? "Multiple" witnesses testified that Oswald's room in the rooming house didn't need curtain rods, as the ones it had, were still in place at the time of his arrest, and were fine as they were, and as the had been when Oswald rented the room. Oswald hadn't replaced them. Nor were any such thing found in the TSBD. Perhaps Oswald fled after the assassination, taking his curtain rods with him. Perhaps to sit and fondle them somewhere? You know, people like you are why we need juries with common sense to try crimes. SBHarris 20:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of William Rhodes Davis

I have nominated my own article for deletion. Influencing me to make this deletion nomination is the what I call the Dorothy Howell Rodham principle. If a wikipedia editor took it upon herself to edit out all references and supporting citations of the realtionship of Dorothy Howell Rodham with her daughter, Hillary Rodham Clinton, it would follow that Dorothy Howell Rodham would no longer be of sufficient notability to be the subject of a wikipedia article and there would be no call for creation of a Howell or Rodham genealogy to enhance her notability. Ruidoso (talk) 22:14, 30 December 2012 (UTC)